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Title: RAF Go.229 PR1
Post by: MartG on July 29, 2008, 12:51:06 PM
In late 1946 the British newspapers began reporting strange objects being seen in the sky......

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The basic premise of this whiff scenario is that at the end of WW2 British rather than American troops succeeded in capturing data and prototypes from the Gotha aircraft factories at Warnemunde relating to the Horten Go.229. They also captured data and engines from the BMW jet engine factory in Brandenburg, including an intact 018 prototype engine, along with a number of Jumo 004 engines from Junkers.

The engine data and hardware ended up at Rolls Royce, where Stanley Hooker's team wasted no time in applying their more advanced metallurgy to the designs to produce improved versions of the 018 and 004 ( the BMW 003 was dropped as RR already had a similar thrust engine in the Welland ).

At the same time Armstrong Whitworth became custodians of the Go.229 prototype and other flying wing data, their interest stemming from their existing AW.52 flying wing project.

When in late 1945 it became apparent that the existing PR.XIX Spitfires would not be able to penetrate unfriendly airspace for much longer without being intercepted by jet powered fighters, the Air Staff issued a requirement for a replacement which "should be capable of reaching sufficient speed and altitude to avoid interception". AW submitted a proposal based on a lightly modified Go.229 powered by RR produced 004 engines ( with vastly improved reliability over the original versions, plus slightly increased thrust at 9.1kN ), and stated that as it was based on an existing airframe and engine combination development time would be minimal. This short development timescale was publicly acknowledged to be the deciding factor, though later information indicates that the low radar cross section of the airframe was also a major contributor to the decision, though quite when and how this aspect of the design had been discovered is still unknown.

Modifications to the airframe were mainly in the area of the undercarriage, with the original gear being replaced with something more compact, though this restricted operations to paved runways, and the twin 30mm cannon were also removed to reduce weight. These modifications freed up space in the aircraft for more fuel as well as the recon camera installation. The added fuel increased the range to around 1000 miles radius, with most of a typical mission taking place at over 50,000ft altitude.

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Pioneer 2 kit, with undercarriage from the spares box.
Title: Re: RAF Go.229 PR1
Post by: Mossie on July 29, 2008, 01:02:33 PM
Nice one!  I've got a RAF Horten coming very soon too.  I've always thought that the Ho.229 would make a very useful recce-bird, it's speed & ceiling keeping it away from fighters as well allowing more area to be covered more quickly.

Good stuff!
Title: Re: RAF Go.229 PR1
Post by: pyro-manic on July 29, 2008, 01:19:08 PM
Nice indeed! A pretty aircraft, a convincing story, and a good colour scheme. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RAF Go.229 PR1
Post by: Brian da Basher on July 29, 2008, 01:32:05 PM
That's gorgeous!!! One of the best looking Hortens I've ver seen! PRU is dead sexy on that flying wing!
:wub: :wub: :wub:
Brian da Basher
Title: Re: RAF Go.229 PR1
Post by: sotoolslinger on July 29, 2008, 05:04:16 PM
Very nice. I would have thought you made that up. ;D :mellow: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RAF Go.229 PR1
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on July 29, 2008, 08:56:21 PM
Oooooooo!! Very nice! 

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: RAF Go.229 PR1
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 30, 2008, 05:43:58 AM
Absolutely well conceived and executed.

I love the fin flash!
Title: Re: RAF Go.229 PR1
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on August 02, 2008, 04:54:43 AM
Great backstory and beautiful model! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RAF Go.229 PR1
Post by: Ed S on August 02, 2008, 06:39:14 AM
Nice.  PRU blue suits the Horten.

Ed
Title: Re: RAF Go.229 PR1
Post by: tanktastic43 on August 02, 2008, 08:38:25 AM
Pretty in blue, and a very plausible back story.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RAF Go.229 PR1
Post by: bexwh773 on August 02, 2008, 08:53:26 AM
Now that looks very smart, and a PR bird too boot :wub:  I can just imagine Winkle Brown taking her for spin  :thumbsup:

Bex
Title: Re: RAF Go.229 PR1
Post by: kitbasher on August 02, 2008, 09:15:54 AM
Very nice indeed MartG - you've pipped me to the post in so many ways!
In 'Re: What are you working on? « Reply #155 on: July 09, 2008, 11:14:28 AM »' I referred to a nightfighter project.  Well, it's a PM Go 229-based 2-seater from Armstrong Whitworths, and like you it draws on AW52 work and a push by the UK to quickly exploit captured German technology at the end of the war.  I think my project will be a bit more like the AW52 than your PR jet.  Like you, I've replaced the nosewheel - not sure what with, though, came from the spares box.
I'd come up with the name 'Manta', so if you want to use the name for your PR.1, I'll call mine the NF.2 and open up a thread in the near future.  ;D ;D