I mean, c'mon! A DH Group Build! How cool would that be?
Turboprop Mosquito? Glider Vampire? Fighter DH88 Comet?
There are so many different opportunities.... :wub:
*random ejaculation of ideas off*
EDIT: After discovering the Mossie thread in the Research forum, how about a Mossie GB? Lots of ideas in there. There are so many kits out there to cater for almost everyone's scale, price and skill level, and so many fine ideas already put out there. What does everyone think? Perhaps to start in November to coincide with the anniversary of prototype E0234/W4050's first flight?
Oh sure, you set this up AFTER I start my Nimrod flying boat. :banghead:
Down boy!!!
Regards,
Greg
Quote from: K5054NZ on May 04, 2008, 07:42:29 PM
*random ejaculation of ideas off*
ewwwwww!!!! :blink: :blink: :blink:
But getting past that....it might be motivation for me to get a Dash 8 to turn into a gunship like I did with an F-27 a few years ago....I assume DH Canada would be welcome?
Yeah! Also the other end of the scale, GdH's Airco designs would be welcome too!
I'm sure you know which side of the spectrum my interests fall on, Zac-o-matic! Should this one show up in the GB poll, it's got my vote!
Brian da Basher
Hmm, this one interests me. I'd like to do a couple of real world builds of DH aircraft at some time. Firstly, I'd like to build my namesake, the Mosquito as there's a family connection. My Grandad was part of the maintainence crew at Wyton & fitted some of the first AI radar sets, it'll be a Wyton based machine I'll build. Secondly, I'd like to build Amy Johnson's DH.60 Gipsy Moth 'Jason', as she used to fly from just about a mile away from my house. She flew Jason on her solo flight to Australia & although the record attempt was registered from Croydon, she set off from and returned to Hedon Aerodrome (where I live, just outside Hull but the aerodrome is long since gone) to great reception from the locals.
I'm sure I can find a whiff to do too!
What an idea ! a d.h group build is a bloody good idea just imagine some of the things you could do ¬!! :wub:
all the best , steve.
de Havilland DH.91 Albatross whiff anyone - maybe Maritime Patrol:
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Also, remember these (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,17582.0/)?
Regards,
Greg
There surely must be a kit around somewhere of the DH.91? Maritime patrol, hmm, coastal command colours?
The DH.88 Comet should be worth a whiff, with that gorgeous wing shape, maybe as a Whirlwind alternative?
Quote from: Mossie on May 06, 2008, 03:38:02 AM
There surely must be a kit around somewhere of the DH.91? Maritime patrol, hmm, coastal command colours?
The DH.88 Comet should be worth a whiff, with that gorgeous wing shape, maybe as a Whirlwind alternative?
There was Simon, Aircraft in Miniature have one in their line, Historic Wings I think. Anyway, until Neil Gaunt get the lines up and running again it will be a search on the second hand websites to find one. And at least one real one was commandeered by the RAF during WW.II and IIRC was used in communications.
Great idea! I think i will do a DHC Dash-8 Q400 that cannot crash! :wacko: Lets call it the Scandinavian mod :drink:
I'm up for a D.H GB...
Quote from: kitnut617 on May 06, 2008, 06:11:10 AM
There was Simon, Aircraft in Miniature have one in their line, Historic Wings I think. Anyway, until Neil Gaunt get the lines up and running again it will be a search on the second hand websites to find one. And at least one real one was commandeered by the RAF during WW.II and IIRC was used in communications.
Thanks Robert! I can't find it on my usual sites, which probably means if I do it's going to be expensive & I guess it'll have a vacform fuse too which I wouldn't be confident at tackling. Never mind, plans are forming regarding the DH.88 I mentioned earlier.....
I popped into one of my LHS's today in my dinner break, somehow managed to leave without buying anything. On the shelves there where all sorts suitable for this GB, Tiger Moths in several scales, Mossies, a Venom, Nimrod (already got one) & Dragon Rapide. How I sat on my hands I'm not quite sure.....
I take it the base kit doesn't have to be DH product, that you could kit bash something together to resemble a De Havilland? Pretty sure the cogs in Mr da Bashers head are working at full tilt!
Ooohhh you know it Mossie! To my mind the one thing that really stands out among DeHaviland aircraft across all eras is that wonderful shape of the fin and rudder, which I think I can manage to replicate!
I'd really like to see this GB idea get off the ground!
Now who wants to volunteer as GB moderator?
Brian da Basher
Quoteow who wants to volunteer as GB moderator?
Maybe Zac should step forward?
Regards,
Greg
Quote from: Brian da Basher on May 06, 2008, 12:11:14 PM
Ooohhh you know it Mossie! To my mind the one thing that really stands out among DeHaviland aircraft across all eras is that wonderful shape of the fin and rudder, which I think I can manage to replicate!
From about 1930 & carrying on post war you've that cowl shape from the Gypsy Major engine too, lovely. I wonder how DH piston engines might have developed had they continued to powerplants with greater thrust, maybe keeping the inverted configuratin & chin intake? Fatter at the bottom for a V12 layout, allowing British fighters to have guns firing through the prop?
If no one else wants it,I'll take a bash at being the moderator on this one. Gawd knows what 'm going to do for an entry however.
I'd definitely be up for this GB. The Russians used DH-4s and -9s, had serious plans to license build the Mosquito and ordered a couple of Vampires (export licence was refused), so there's plenty of scope even before I add floats to the Ash-82 powered, Black Sea Fleet, maritime patrol Mosquito - - -
Quote from: McGreig on May 08, 2008, 09:38:37 AM
I'd definitely be up for this GB. The Russians used DH-4s and -9s, had serious plans to license build the Mosquito and ordered a couple of Vampires (export licence was refused), so there's plenty of scope even before I add floats to the Ash-82 powered, Black Sea Fleet, maritime patrol Mosquito - - -
Ah bugger... there goes one of my ideas, but if anyone can build it better than I even will it's you McG. I am still thinking along Soviet/ Russian lines though.
Quote from: Mossie on May 06, 2008, 02:55:41 PM
From about 1930 & carrying on post war you've that cowl shape from the Gypsy Major engine too, lovely. I wonder how DH piston engines might have developed had they continued to powerplants with greater thrust, maybe keeping the inverted configuratin & chin intake? Fatter at the bottom for a V12 layout, allowing British fighters to have guns firing through the prop?
Having a moteur-canon does not require an inverted engine, the French used them for years with various upright Hisso V-8 and V-12 engines dating back to the First World War.
The first inverted Dh engine was the Gipsy III, basically a modified Gipsy II turned upside down.
The biggest DH engine was the 405 - 425 hp inverted V-12 Gipsy King I/ Gipsy XII used in the DH 91 Albatross and the DH 93 Don.
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Don
Jon
I'd be quite happy to act as moderator! Apologies for disappearing from the thread, working on a DH model - and work, girl etc etc - have taken their toll on my allocated whiff time!
Is November good? Plenty of time to fine-tune ideas and procure kits. :thumbsup:
I've got mine in mind already - a retractable biplane airliner from 'tween the wars which never progressed past prototype....gosh I love Putnam's de Havilland Aircraft Since 1909! Go the abandoned projects section!!!
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on May 11, 2008, 11:50:50 PM
Having a moteur-canon does not require an inverted engine, the French used them for years with various upright Hisso V-8 and V-12 engines dating back to the First World War.
The first inverted Dh engine was the Gipsy III, basically a modified Gipsy II turned upside down.
The biggest DH engine was the 405 - 425 hp inverted V-12 Gipsy King I/ Gipsy XII used in the DH 91 Albatross and the DH 93 Don.
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Don
Jon
Ah, of course, the P-36 & P-40B also had the guns firing through the prop too, forgot about that.
Hmm, a developed Gypsy King might be a good idea, or at least another engine using similar principles. It's got a nice look to it, especially with the wing mounted radiators. Maybe a single engine fighter based on the Don? No kit though & no engine availble from a kit with the AiM DH.91 being ultra rare, although you could scratch that shape fairly easily from a drop tank.....
Donjon :lol:
I need ideas for whiffing a Sea Vixen :huh: :rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure there's a 1/72 kit of this Simon, I just can't find the link to it at the moment.
Quote from: Mossie on May 12, 2008, 08:19:54 AM
Ah, of course, the P-36 & P-40B also had the guns firing through the prop too, forgot about that.
Hmm, a developed Gypsy King might be a good idea, or at least another engine using similar principles. It's got a nice look to it, especially with the wing mounted radiators. Maybe a single engine fighter based on the Don? No kit though & no engine availble from a kit with the AiM DH.91 being ultra rare, although you could scratch that shape fairly easily from a drop tank.....
Donjon :lol:
Radiators? Like all Gipsy engines the King was air-cooled.
Here is a pic showing the mounting of the 20mm Hispano HS404 to the Hisso 12 engine, the mounting was used in the D520 and MS405.
Jon
p.s. I was a castle in a former life. :rolleyes:
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on May 12, 2008, 11:32:38 AM
Quote from: Mossie on May 12, 2008, 08:19:54 AM
Ah, of course, the P-36 & P-40B also had the guns firing through the prop too, forgot about that.
Hmm, a developed Gypsy King might be a good idea, or at least another engine using similar principles. It's got a nice look to it, especially with the wing mounted radiators. Maybe a single engine fighter based on the Don? No kit though & no engine availble from a kit with the AiM DH.91 being ultra rare, although you could scratch that shape fairly easily from a drop tank.....
Donjon :lol:
Radiators? Like all Gipsy engines the King was air-cooled.
Here is a pic showing the mounting of the 20mm Hispano HS404 to the Hisso 12 engine, the mounting was used in the D520 and MS405.
Jon
p.s. I was a castle in a former life. :rolleyes:
Or a mafia Godfather! My brother came in yesterday with a bottle of Don Simon orange juice which got us laughing & quoting The Godfather!
Quote from: kitnut617 on May 12, 2008, 11:00:45 AM
I'm pretty sure there's a 1/72 kit of this Simon, I just can't find the link to it at the moment.
You know Robert, I'm sure I remember seeing one as well. A Google search brought up nothing though.
JonC thanks for the cool picture of the 20mm. :thumbsup:That really helps me with the scaling on the ammo feed for the Avenger/Skyrocket
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Quote from: Mossie on May 12, 2008, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: kitnut617 on May 12, 2008, 11:00:45 AM
I'm pretty sure there's a 1/72 kit of this Simon, I just can't find the link to it at the moment.
You know Robert, I'm sure I remember seeing one as well. A Google search brought up nothing though.
Dujin Resin:
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Quote from: ysi_maniac on May 12, 2008, 10:59:07 AM
I need ideas for whiffing a Sea Vixen :huh: :rolleyes:
You could always do a landified RNZAF one....
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Oh wait, no, somebody already gone and done that :rolleyes:
There where a number of proposals for a bigger wing (& delta) supersonic Sea Vixen, along with fuselage stretches, all detailed in BSP Jet Fighters. Apart from that, how about conventional side by side cockpit, like the DH.110? Strike variant? The Vixen always seemed to me like it could be quite a bomb truck. If your feeling adventurous, remove the twin booms & convert it to a conventional fuselage?
From Air Vectors:
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Quote from: Mossie on May 13, 2008, 02:12:35 AM
If your feeling adventurous, remove the twin booms & convert it to a conventional fuselage?
There was a proposal for an interim naval night-fighter, called the DH112 I think, which was basically a Sea Venom front-end and wings with an Avon in a conventional rear fuselage and a T-tail. Maybe they'd resurrect the idea for a Sea Vixen follow-on: after all it would be
more common (same engines) with the donor twin-boomer than the DH112 was.....
Re Sea Vixen bombers, they were offered, even as a cheaper, under-spec submission to the GOR.339/TSR.2 requirement.
Quote from: Mossie on May 13, 2008, 02:12:35 AM
There where a number of proposals for a bigger wing (& delta) supersonic Sea Vixen, along with fuselage stretches, all detailed in BSP Jet Fighters. Apart from that, how about conventional side by side cockpit, like the DH.110? Strike variant? The Vixen always seemed to me like it could be quite a bomb truck. If your feeling adventurous, remove the twin booms & convert it to a conventional fuselage?
From Air Vectors:
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Thanks a lot, thinking about these mmmmmmmmmm :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Weaver on May 13, 2008, 03:36:00 AM
There was a proposal for an interim naval night-fighter, called the DH112 I think, which was basically a Sea Venom front-end and wings with an Avon in a conventional rear fuselage and a T-tail. Maybe they'd resurrect the idea for a Sea Vixen follow-on: after all it would be more common (same engines) with the donor twin-boomer than the DH112 was.....
Weave, the DH.116 was the 'Super Venom' with conventional tail. DH.112 was actually the Venom, with the convuluted mess that was the Sea Vixen procurement, the Venom's design was started after the Sea Vixen but entered service significantly before. Like you say, no reason why the Sea Vixen couldn't go down this route. Again, Air Vectors is our freind:
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Quote from: The Wooksta! on May 13, 2008, 03:50:52 AM
I've got a Dujin Don. It isn't cheap either but it looks like it'll fit together with the usual hassles involved with Dujin kits.
Thanks Lee. I'll probably leave it with it being a Dujin kit, don't want to take out a second mortgage. Can't find one anyway.
Quote from: ysi_maniac on May 13, 2008, 06:19:37 AM
Thanks a lot, thinking about these mmmmmmmmmm :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You're welcome Carlos!
What if the De Havilland Comet Airliner didn't have the early failures (say they already fixed the windows) and entered service all around the world and especially with some US and other (QANTAS?) airlines? Maybe even put in production by someone like Martin in the USA.
Regards,
Greg
Of course taking this concept a little further, how about some USAF/USN (and other Air Forces) military Comet/Nimrod variants:
- USN Nimrods;
- Tanker Comets;
- AEW&C Comets;
- ELINT etc Comets...
Regards,
Greg
Very interesting ideas Greg, may have to look a bit further at them
I'm up for this one! I've not done anything with my 'Supervixen' (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,21077.msg299164.html#msg299164) yet, so I can put that one on hold if this GB runs. ;D ;D
I'm seriously giving thought to 'de Havillandizing' the F7U Cutlass with numerous Sea Vixen features and putting it in RAF/RN or RCAF service somehow.
Daryl J.
Something pleasant a friend sent me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7gyJ7OS8-Y
Regards,
Greg