Typically, there's another one hitting the bench while others are languishing. Oh well, no different from the rest of you I suppose. :blink:
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Here's a scan of some of the bits 'n' bobs:
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You'll notice that the solid section of the rear canopy has already been removed on one side, I'm going to construct a cockpit and pose it opened. the Hobbycraft F-86F nose door will be mounted as an airbrake under the rear fuselage. The Sabre also donated the leading edge slats which will probably be added, and the pitot tube, I like the cranked style, gives it character. The drop tanks are coming from a Matchbox Hunter T.Mk.7/F.6, and the arrestor hook from an Esci A-4F Skyhawk.
Another major modification I'm planning will be to change the flaps from split to Fowlers, better low speed characteristics for carrier ops.
Can't wait to see this one develop! ;D ;D
Sure brings back memories...
I always enjoy your models, Rat-San and I think this one's gonna be one for the books! I can't wait for your next update.
Brian da Basher
Cool ! The Swift is one of those aeroplanes I've never built, but always wanted to.
One question, tho....how you gonna handle all 22 of those detailed parts ?
:huh:
Quote from: Captain Canada on March 22, 2008, 10:00:58 AMOne question, tho....how you gonna handle all 22 of those detailed parts ?
:lol: Yeah, she's a simple one, but like most Hawk products it's also a damned good build, fits well and looks the part. After I get finished with it there will probably be a lot more than 22 parts though. I just got the other canopy side off and separated the front and rear clear sections, now I have to bash a pit together. I was thinking of scrounging around for an MB2 seat but with my luck it'll cost a bundle and then won't fit, so I'll knock something together myself. Looks at the moment as if making the flaps mght be more difficult than I thought, might go to plain flaps instead.
I always thought it was a shame the Swift didnt last longer, though that might have had a negative affect on the Hunter's success.
Speaking of Hunters, I've got an unused RoG Mk2 seat from my Hunter FG.15 build if you need it. PM your address if you're interested.
One nice bonus with this build will be not having to guess where to put the decals!! ;D
Quotethough that might have had a negative affect on the Hunter's success.
I doubt it.
Regards,
Greg
Quote from: AeroplaneDriver on March 22, 2008, 12:43:34 PMI always thought it was a shame the Swift didnt last longer, though that might have had a negative affect on the Hunter's success.
Apples and oranges, as it turned out. The Hunter was far superior in manoeuverability and performed much better at higher altitudes. The Swift was rock steady at low level and the stronger airframe took the stresses better. Almost difficult to believe that they were designed for the same requirement! It probably would have kept the Hunter out of ground attack roles, if only because the pilots wouldn't have had wobbly legs and stomachs after a ground hugging sortie like they did in Hawker's product.
Quote from: AeroplaneDriver on March 22, 2008, 12:43:34 PMSpeaking of Hunters, I've got an unused RoG Mk2 seat from my Hunter FG.15 build if you need it. PM your address if you're interested.
I'll keep you in mind if I have trouble, thanks! I'd hate to have you send it and then find it won't squeeze in.
Quote from: AeroplaneDriver on March 22, 2008, 12:43:34 PMOne nice bonus with this build will be not having to guess where to put the decals!! ;D
AAAAAAAAAAAARGH! Those engravings are being filled, quite the job. The kit decals are terrible, I'll have to find some others, but at the moment that's the least of my worries.
Still hacking away. Wings have been cut, flaps removed, canopy in two pieces, and pit extended to allow the rear canopy to be positioned further back. I've also partially blanked the intakes but I might redo that some other way;
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Next step will be opening the wheel wells, I'm taking Wooksta's suggestion and going right through the wing and then re-skinning the top.
Nice work, Rat. What kind of decals are you after ?
:cheers:
Quote from: Captain Canada on April 06, 2008, 06:26:23 PM
Nice work, Rat. What kind of decals are you after ?
:cheers:
Royal Navy, 1950s era. Might pick up an Airfix Seahawk if I can find one.
You may want to look into the Supermarine 510. Basically a swept wing Attacker or a taildragger Swift. It was the middle step. As a bonus, it actually did carrier trials.
Neato!!! What a sleek airframe.
Quote from: The Rat on April 07, 2008, 03:04:55 PM
Quote from: Captain Canada on April 06, 2008, 06:26:23 PM
Nice work, Rat. What kind of decals are you after ?
:cheers:
Royal Navy, 1950s era. Might pick up an Airfix Seahawk if I can find one.
Are you still looking for these? If so, I've got a spare Seahawk at home - can't recall what state the decals are in off the top of my head though. I'll have a look when I get home tonight.
Quote from: Weaver on September 09, 2008, 07:26:32 AMAre you still looking for these?
Picked up one a while ago, but thanks for the offer! :cheers:
Still coming along, slowly but surely. The air brakes donated by an Airfix U-2 have now been installed, just a bit more sanding to smooth out the edges and then some putty around the edges. The sharp-eyed among us will notice that they are upside-down compared to the U-2, that's because I like them better this way, especially since it would be easier to leave them than fix the boo-boo I made. Oops, was that out loud?
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5 years! You're not joking when you slowly but surely!
Nice to see this back on the go Ratty !
:cheers:
:thumbsup:
Not sure if I should fit it with the belly tank that I've swiped from the Frog Attacker. I'm not certain if it could be jettisoned, but since I do have a reference calling it a 'drop tank' (Supermarine Fighter Aircraft, by Victor Bingham, page 140) it's a tempting idea.
There is no belly tank in the Frog Attacker. There have been vacform and resin add ons but never with the kit.
Looking forward to seeing it finished.
Quote from: The Wooksta! on October 14, 2013, 05:03:05 PM
There is no belly tank in the Frog Attacker. There have been vacform and resin add ons but never with the kit.
You're right, just checked and the colours don't match. And it's actually a Novo re-pop. So where the hell did I get it from? :unsure: Maybe it came with it. I bought it at a show, partially started, so maybe the previous owner scrounged it from somewhere. Definitely injected styrene, not vac or resin. And the front end seems more streamlined than the Attacker's tank was.
It's terrible getting old. :banghead:
The modern AZ Attacker comes with a belly tank but that's a doubtful source I reckon. Someone did an injected one way back when, maybe Maintrack? It's the sort of thing they would do.
Could it have come from a Meteor kit? I think the old FROG kit had that tank, and it was more streamlined at the front than the Attacker's tank.
Quote from: JayBee on October 15, 2013, 03:02:36 AM
Could it have come from a Meteor kit? I think the old FROG kit had that tank, and it was more streamlined at the front than the Attacker's tank.
You may have nailed it, I've got the Frog F.Mk.IV somewhere in the stash.
The Attacker's tank meets the fuselage almost vertically at the front, as does that from the Swift, whereas the Meteor tank is tapered up, almost symmetrically fore and aft.
Why don't you glue it on and show us some more pics Dave
:thumbsup:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 15, 2013, 03:30:24 AM
The Attacker's tank meets the fuselage almost vertically at the front, as does that from the Swift, whereas the Meteor tank is tapered up, almost symmetrically fore and aft.
Well that would describe it, but I just checked my stash and found I lied earlier about the Frog F.Mk.IV, it's actually the Matchbox Meteor NF.14/12/11. So I'm back to square 1, trying to figure out where this piece could have come from. :banghead:
Take a pic of it and show us Dave, maybe someone can identify the source ---
Okay, here it is. Sorry about the blurry first pic, the macro on this camera sucks. The part has fine, raised detail lines running laterally:
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And as you can see, it would make an excellent fit:
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Yep, that is a Meteor's tank.
Jim
And the colour of it would suggest Matchbox ---
Quote from: kitnut617 on October 15, 2013, 07:33:05 AM
And the colour of it would suggest Matchbox ---
Pretty sure it doesn't match the colour of the one in my stash.
Quote from: The Rat on October 15, 2013, 07:42:03 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on October 15, 2013, 07:33:05 AM
And the colour of it would suggest Matchbox ---
Pretty sure it doesn't match the colour of the one in my stash.
It looks like the Matchbox Meteor NF tank and don't forget they had multi coloured sprues
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 15, 2013, 07:42:56 AM
Quote from: The Rat on October 15, 2013, 07:42:03 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on October 15, 2013, 07:33:05 AM
And the colour of it would suggest Matchbox ---
Pretty sure it doesn't match the colour of the one in my stash.
It looks like the Matchbox Meteor NF tank and don't forget they had multi coloured sprues
Yep, mine has grey and green, but I'm pretty sure the grey doesn't match. Okay, I'll haul it out and check, hang on a a tic...
Okay, it IS from the Matchbox bit, here's where it went wrong - I opened the box and found two sprues, one green and one grey. Grey didn't match. Checked more thouroughly this time, poured the whole box onto the bench and found there are THREE colours! And it matches the one I didn't see poking out the end on my previous cursory glance.
Mystery solved. Thanks Chris! :thumbsup:
Quote from: The Rat on October 15, 2013, 08:02:20 AM
Okay, it IS from the Matchbox bit, here's where it went wrong - I opened the box and found two sprues, one green and one grey. Grey didn't match. Checked more thouroughly this time, poured the whole box onto the bench and found there are THREE colours! And it matches the one I didn't see poking out the end on my previous cursory glance.
Mystery solved. Thanks Chris! :thumbsup:
Glad to be of help Ratty :thumbsup:
Quote from: The Rat on October 15, 2013, 08:02:20 AM
Okay, it IS from the Matchbox bit, here's where it went wrong - I opened the box and found two sprues, one green and one grey. Grey didn't match. Checked more thouroughly this time, poured the whole box onto the bench and found there are THREE colours! And it matches the one I didn't see poking out the end on my previous cursory glance.
Mystery solved. Thanks Chris! :thumbsup:
Yup, it should be a Three Color Kit. But the tones tend to differ between production batches, as I recently found out.
And the Revell and Xtrakit moulded versions were all single colour, but different ones of course.
Love to see a Swift in the true scale ;D. Hope Trump or HB come up trumps. Maybe even Airfix :o.
Quote from: Librarian on October 15, 2013, 09:22:43 AM
Love to see a Swift in the true scale ;D. Hope Trump or HB come up trumps. Maybe even Airfix :o.
I haven't had a micrometer on it, but from what I hear it's a pretty accurate 1/72nd. And, apart from details like totally inaccurate wing fences and other little lumps and bumps, the overall outline is apparently very good.
The resurrection!
Yep, this one is back on the bench. I'm not going to worry myself over a detailed wing fold, which was what caused me to put it away years ago. If it looks uncluttered, so be it. I've started detailing the interior, building up a nosewheel well and started boxing in the cockpit. Lots of weight packed in, might try to fit more on the other fuselage half.
Roof of the nosewheel well, with a bit of sprue on top to help brace it.
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And the cockpit box so far, still a lot of work to do but I was eager to get a post up.
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Good to see it making a comeback Ratty
Blimey, you started this before I'd even joined the Forum! :o
Right on ! Nothing like a comeback :drink:
Baby steps. Instrument panel started, with reflective gun sight.
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Ejection seat
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Head rest
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Creating seat cushions. Some thick foil from a wine bottle seal. Crumple it up a bit...
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Glue it to the seat and give it some pokes with a round toothpick...
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And here's the seat. Not perfect by any means, but it'll do for me. The photos on Thunder and Lightnings show a sort of tan colour to the cushions, Tamiya Flat Flesh seemed like a close approximation. The belts are also wine bottle foil, photos show that the seat belts were grey and the shoulder belts white.
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I like the cushion trick Ratty :thumbsup:
Would red or white provide the best foil ;)
Quote from: NARSES2 on April 27, 2020, 06:29:22 AM
I like the cushion trick Ratty :thumbsup:
Would red or white provide the best foil ;)
Seconded on the great idea for creation of cushions / belts ..... now I just to go and root around in the bins for all those bottle top foils I chucked out....or open another one!
Quote from: NARSES2 on April 27, 2020, 06:29:22 AM
I like the cushion trick Ratty :thumbsup:
Would red or white provide the best foil ;)
I can never remember the next morning.
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OK, so how did you do the ejection seat firing handles please? They look remarkably round and smooth, unlike the rubbish I produced for my Double Pancake. :(
Quote from: The Rat on April 27, 2020, 06:46:47 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on April 27, 2020, 06:29:22 AM
I like the cushion trick Ratty :thumbsup:
Would red or white provide the best foil ;)
I can never remember the next morning.
;D
Quote from: PR19_Kit on April 28, 2020, 06:12:57 AM
OK, so how did you do the ejection seat firing handles please? They look remarkably round and smooth, unlike the rubbish I produced for my Double Pancake. :(
Wrapped around a round toothpick. Anything round and of an approximate diameter should work, in larger scales perhaps a section of sprue would work. Then I just used CA glue to attach them to the top. Mine are a bit off kilter, but since I was a civil servant for a few years I'll just use the old phrase "close enough for government work!" ;D
:banghead:
I never thought of that, thanks a lot. Next time I'll do that, makes SO much sense! :thumbsup:
Sharpened pencils (or a dowel I guess) are quite good for this too because you can choose the diameter
Fuselage halves are together, and more swearing. I've placed the seat a little too far back, with the result that in real life the canopy probably wouldn't close. But since this will be an open canopy build I'll just go for the overall look rather than absolute accuracy, and hope nobody notices. Also noticed while sanding down the bottom seam that I completely forgot to make accommodation for the arrestor hook, so I'll have to carve that out now. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Not going to worry about detailing inside the wing fold, that would be more than I'm capable of. Holes have been drilled for hinges, which will be made from a paper clip.
Coming together. Rough paint job on the outer wing pieces, it'll smooth out after a few coats. Gunze H83 is going to stand in for Extra Dark Sea Grey on top.
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Certainly looks a natural Ratty :thumbsup:
Outer wing panels are being temporarily re-attached in order to get the decals cut in the right places.
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I'm really looking forward to this Ratty :thumbsup: