You say you want to fly across the Atlantic or tour the battlegrounds of the Pacific, but worry about that pesky single engine reliablity of the Cessna 172? Here at Edward's Engineering, we address this problem and have designed the more reliable Cessna 172LR. ;D
Eddie
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Yowsa Eddie I love it! I've always had a soft spot for tri-motors, but you've taken it to the next level by inventing the Quint motor!
Astounded,
Brian da Basher
Yes, YES YES!!!
Uh-oh, Eddie, you gonna have some 'splainin' to do...
I love it! But...
...the fuel is going, uh, where? :lol:
Quote from: The Rat on February 09, 2008, 08:08:18 PM
I love it! But...
...the fuel is going, uh, where? :lol:
Thanks Guys!
Fuel? Plenty to go around with drop tanks under the wings. ;D
Eddie
:wub: General Aviation in whiff kicks donkey! :wub:
So what are the wing engines going to be? Might I suggest a story in which somebody finds a crate of Pobjoy Niagaras? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pobjoy_Niagara)
Quote from: The Rat on February 10, 2008, 06:09:52 AM
So what are the wing engines going to be? Might I suggest a story in which somebody finds a crate of Pobjoy Niagaras? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pobjoy_Niagara)
Well why not say that it was a succesfull engine, and the 10 engined Douglas DC-3.10 was a huge success with over 20.000 built (mega whiff backstory ;D)
Neat model, but I see a technical flaw you may have overlooked:
The 172's cockpit isn't wide enough for five throttles!! ;D
Looks to be another way cool build Eddie!
Go G1000 Glass cockpit displays mate, that'll show you everything you'll need ;)
Shas 8)
Quote from: AeroplaneDriver on February 10, 2008, 08:11:03 AM
Neat model, but I see a technical flaw you may have overlooked:
The 172's cockpit isn't wide enough for five throttles!! ;D
:lol: I got a laugh out of that one. The wings came off a 1/144 DC-4. The first thing I thought of is a solar powered plane like NASA's Helios.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/history/pastprojects/Erast/helios.html
Now, I've made for long duration flight over water. Maybe I should put O2 tanks in the rear of the cabin? :lol:
Eddie
Hi Eddie
"Maybe I should put O2 tanks in the rear of the cabin? "
I should put some oxy tanks in your modelling den as somthing solvent based is deffinately leaking in there! ;D
Not only the voices, but the toxic fumes!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
This is a very fun model, a real adventure, and a departure from "normal" :lol: Whiffing!!!
I'll love to see that wonderful little 5-engined marvel all dressed up!
Amazing, Eddie!!
Rafa
OMG!
looks brilliant eddie.
have you got as far as thinking how it will be painted? for those long overwater legs, it needs to be bright
and perhaps sponsored like racing cars.
as for the five throttle levers, why not a small 'bulge' in the cockpit entry door?
top notch idea!
If ever there was a candidate for a "PIRATE AIRCRAFT"...that, HANDS DOWN, would be the winner. Nice Jolly Roger on the tail anyone?
:wacko: :wub:
I hear Jack Sparrow calling. . . .
Shas 8)
Very clever ! are the engines going to be something you'd find in the Home Built area, like some Jibarrus or Rotax? will the props have little twin blades?
Knowing Eddie, more like scratchbuilt, 8-bladed (each) contra-rotating props! -_-
Excellent! An Alaskan guide's wettest dream.
Quote from: John Howling Mouse on February 11, 2008, 07:00:04 PM
Knowing Eddie, more like scratchbuilt, 8-bladed (each) contra-rotating props! -_-
Thanks guys! :ph34r:
Baz, now you did it! You put that thought in my head! ;) :D
Eddie
Looking good. What about tip tanks? A couple of big honkers for all the gas that beast will use.
Ed
Quote from: Ed S on February 12, 2008, 03:19:14 PM
Looking good. What about tip tanks? A couple of big honkers for all the gas that beast will use.
Ed
Good idea! I've got the drops from Elena's Corsair build. Had to buy another kit cuz "Daddy" lost the first canopy. Her 1st lesson about the Gemlins who steal model parts in the middle of the night. :rolleyes: ;D
Eddie
Quote from: Ed S on February 12, 2008, 03:19:14 PM
Looking good. What about tip tanks? A couple of big honkers for all the gas that beast will use.
Ed
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Ahem...I've been taking the meds for some time now but I must ask: Is it too late to convert it to a T-Tail? Would give it just that little extra modern oomph.
After all, it's a clinically proven fact that T-Tails make any subject look 129% better. :mellow:
Quote from: John Howling Mouse on February 18, 2008, 06:31:01 PM
Ahem...I've been taking the meds for some time now but I must ask: Is it too late to convert it to a T-Tail? Would give it just that little extra modern oomph.
After all, it's a clinically proven fact that T-Tails make any subject look 129% better. :mellow:
So let it be written, so let it be done.....
Quote from: John Howling Mouse on February 18, 2008, 06:31:01 PM
After all, it's a clinically proven fact that T-Tails make any subject look 129% better. :mellow:
Well, since it'll probably have spats already... ;D
Super bttb
Wainting for the result... :wub: :wub: :wub:
Quote from: Eddie M. on February 18, 2008, 06:36:06 PM
Quote from: John Howling Mouse on February 18, 2008, 06:31:01 PM
Ahem...I've been taking the meds for some time now but I must ask: Is it too late to convert it to a T-Tail? Would give it just that little extra modern oomph.
After all, it's a clinically proven fact that T-Tails make any subject look 129% better. :mellow:
So let it be written, so let it be done.....
YeeeeEEEAAAAHHHHHH!!!!
Quote from: John Howling Mouse on February 19, 2008, 06:27:31 PM
Quote from: Eddie M. on February 18, 2008, 06:36:06 PM
Quote from: John Howling Mouse on February 18, 2008, 06:31:01 PM
Ahem...I've been taking the meds for some time now but I must ask: Is it too late to convert it to a T-Tail? Would give it just that little extra modern oomph.
After all, it's a clinically proven fact that T-Tails make any subject look 129% better. :mellow:
So let it be written, so let it be done.....
YeeeeEEEAAAAHHHHHH!!!!
Moving at lightning speed on this one. :rolleyes: T-tail in place, but the wing props look a little small, so I might have to do something about that. ;D
Eddie
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Props look fine to me Eddie!
Yowsa Eddie that rocks! That rocks so bad it looks like what K.I.S.S. rides to their favorite bass hole.
It looks great but you might have to get used to the winky props. I've never had more than two three bladed props in my spares boxes. Maybe you could go with two bladed props?
I guess you could get aftermarket props, but I'm a cheapskate. :lol:
Looking forward to your next installment,
Brian da Basher
That thing needs BIGGER PROPS! *Tim Allen Grunting*
Shas 8)
Quote from: Brian da Basher on February 22, 2008, 08:51:45 PM
It looks great but you might have to get used to the winky props. I've never had more than two three bladed props in my spares boxes. Maybe you could go with two bladed props?
I guess you could get aftermarket props, but I'm a cheapskate. :lol:
Heh, heh, I seem to recall a certain project having contra-rotating props yet, and they were made from scratch. I don't think Eddie will have any problem: he's a scratchbashing Whiffing fool! Looks great, Eddie!
In the hope of not making this anymore complicated than it has become :banghead:, this is the prop mod that I can live with. ;D
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That'll work, too! Say, just how would one get in and out of this leetle beastie? The inboard engine nacelles now seem a little close for the normal "car-doors" configuration to work.
Great work Eddie, I really like the way this one is turning out. The spinners are a great addition. I was thinking about this the other day, maybe instead of Rotax engines they could be electric motors. It would make this project more feasible almost like a hybrid car; gas powered with electric assist. Here's a link to an all electric "proof of concept" homebuilt by Sonex. http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=3ee41f10-02b3-4067-aace-fd579501c254#d (http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=3ee41f10-02b3-4067-aace-fd579501c254#d)
~Steve
Quote from: John Howling Mouse on February 24, 2008, 10:12:55 AM
That'll work, too! Say, just how would one get in and out of this leetle beastie? The inboard engine nacelles now seem a little close for the normal "car-doors" configuration to work.
There's plenty of room! :rolleyes: From the side, the prop arc is line with the very front of the windscreen.:D
Eddie
Quote from: Chap on February 24, 2008, 11:14:20 AM
Great work Eddie, I really like the way this one is turning out. The spinners are a great addition. I was thinking about this the other day, maybe instead of Rotax engines they could be electric motors. It would make this project more feasible almost like a hybrid car; gas powered with electric assist. Here's a link to an all electric "proof of concept" homebuilt by Sonex. http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=3ee41f10-02b3-4067-aace-fd579501c254#d (http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=3ee41f10-02b3-4067-aace-fd579501c254#d)
~Steve
Excellent idea! It goes along with my original inspiration I got from NASA's Helios. The gas powered engine could drive a generator which could then produce electricity that could be stored in batteries to drive the wing mounted engines to save fuel. That and the nanotechnology and superconductivity that has been incorporated to the engines, makes for a very effecient aircraft.;)
Eddie
Quote from: Eddie M. on February 24, 2008, 11:32:25 AM
Quote from: John Howling Mouse on February 24, 2008, 10:12:55 AM
That'll work, too! Say, just how would one get in and out of this leetle beastie? The inboard engine nacelles now seem a little close for the normal "car-doors" configuration to work.
There's plenty of room! :rolleyes: From the side, the prop arc is line with the very front of the windscreen.:D
Eddie
Or they could be sliding "Side of a van" type doors.Heh a "Minivan" with wings
"Panzer"
Quote from: Eddie M. on February 24, 2008, 11:37:37 AM
Excellent idea! It goes along with my original inspiration I got from NASA's Helios. The gas powered engine could drive a generator which could then produce electricity that could be stored in batteries to drive the wing mounted engines to save fuel. That and the nanotechnology and superconductivity that has been incorporated to the engines, makes for a very effecient aircraft.;)
Eddie
In this case, you'd do better with a turboshaft engine rather than piston to drive the generator. Coupla reasons:
1: Turbine exhaust and noise are considered bad for cars, but clearly not for planes
2: Turbines can be more fuel efficient, and can use *more* fuels, than a piston
3: A piston engine all by itself produced no real thrust. But a turboshaft engine can produce a useful thrust. This would be handy in the event of an electrical system failure, as it would give the plane thrust to fly and land.
I really like the prop spinners Eddie and the "hybrid plane" idea is a great concept!
I wish I heard the voices you do!
Brian da Basher
Quote from: Orionblamblam on February 24, 2008, 12:03:06 PM
Quote from: Eddie M. on February 24, 2008, 11:37:37 AM
Excellent idea! It goes along with my original inspiration I got from NASA's Helios. The gas powered engine could drive a generator which could then produce electricity that could be stored in batteries to drive the wing mounted engines to save fuel. That and the nanotechnology and superconductivity that has been incorporated to the engines, makes for a very effecient aircraft.;)
Eddie
In this case, you'd do better with a turboshaft engine rather than piston to drive the generator. Coupla reasons:
1: Turbine exhaust and noise are considered bad for cars, but clearly not for planes
2: Turbines can be more fuel efficient, and can use *more* fuels, than a piston
3: A piston engine all by itself produced no real thrust. But a turboshaft engine can produce a useful thrust. This would be handy in the event of an electrical system failure, as it would give the plane thrust to fly and land.
Good observation. I'll see what I whip up. ;D
Eddie
Or they could be sliding "Side of a van" type doors. Heh a "Minivan" with wings
"Panzer"
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Gentlemen, I believe we have a clear winner! They use something like that on a lot of skydiving-related Cessnas, don't they?
Quote from: Eddie M. on February 24, 2008, 01:01:04 PM
Quote from: Orionblamblam on February 24, 2008, 12:03:06 PM
Quote from: Eddie M. on February 24, 2008, 11:37:37 AM
Excellent idea! It goes along with my original inspiration I got from NASA's Helios. The gas powered engine could drive a generator which could then produce electricity that could be stored in batteries to drive the wing mounted engines to save fuel. That and the nanotechnology and superconductivity that has been incorporated to the engines, makes for a very effecient aircraft.;)
Eddie
In this case, you'd do better with a turboshaft engine rather than piston to drive the generator. Coupla reasons:
1: Turbine exhaust and noise are considered bad for cars, but clearly not for planes
2: Turbines can be more fuel efficient, and can use *more* fuels, than a piston
3: A piston engine all by itself produced no real thrust. But a turboshaft engine can produce a useful thrust. This would be handy in the event of an electrical system failure, as it would give the plane thrust to fly and land.
Good observation. I'll see what I whip up. ;D
Eddie
I think the wing mounted engines look like
weee little turbos. So,... they will generate the power that can power the main engine with electricity when needed. How's that for tap dancing around the problem? ;D
I think the wing mounted engines look like weee little turbos. So,... they will generate the power that can power the main engine with electricity when needed. How's that for tap dancing around the problem? ;D
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Works for me. :mellow:
It's your whiff, make up the story you want...
Ed
Excellent idea! I worked with a guy who once had a job to ferry a Cessna 172 across the Atlantic. His preparations were to have a ferry tank installed, nail some crappy old nav kit to a piece of wood and borrow a pink wetsuit in case it all went wrong. Somewhere over the North Atlantic he realised his nav kit (I can't remember exactly what it was) had the Southern Hemisphere data in it and he was pretty much lost. He flew on for a bit and did an emergency call on HF which was relayed by the laughing crew of a passing MD-11F. At this point he thought he was going for a bracing swim in the Atlantic so he thought he'd better get his wetsuit on. Unfortunately, it was impossible to put it on over his clothes, so with one hand on the yoke he ripped his clothes off and got his feet into the wetsuit. Then, deliverance in the shape of two F-15s out of Keflavik appeared to guide him in. When he landed the startled USAF ground crew found him in the cockpit with a death grip on the yoke and naked apart from pink wetsuit around his ankles.
Quote from: SimonR on February 25, 2008, 02:08:21 PM
Then, deliverance in the shape of two F-15s out of Keflavik appeared to guide him in. When he landed the startled USAF ground crew found him in the cockpit with a death grip on the yoke and naked apart from pink wetsuit around his ankles.
Yeah, but who hasn't experienced this on any given Saturday night, eh? He must have been Canadian.
Eddie, upload some new progress pics, willya?
Quote from: John Howling Mouse on February 25, 2008, 03:19:29 PM
Quote from: SimonR on February 25, 2008, 02:08:21 PM
Then, deliverance in the shape of two F-15s out of Keflavik appeared to guide him in. When he landed the startled USAF ground crew found him in the cockpit with a death grip on the yoke and naked apart from pink wetsuit around his ankles.
Yeah, but who hasn't experienced this on any given Saturday night, eh? He must have been Canadian.
Eddie, upload some new progress pics, willya?
I'm sending you the cleaning bill for my pants! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: John Howling Mouse on February 25, 2008, 03:19:29 PM
Quote from: SimonR on February 25, 2008, 02:08:21 PM
Then, deliverance in the shape of two F-15s out of Keflavik appeared to guide him in. When he landed the startled USAF ground crew found him in the cockpit with a death grip on the yoke and naked apart from pink wetsuit around his ankles.
Yeah, but who hasn't experienced this on any given Saturday night, eh? He must have been Canadian.
Eddie, upload some new progress pics, willya?
Here's the finished product before the primer coat. Don't mind the unsavory gentleman at the rear of the aircraft. Here's just looking to pinch your pink wetsuit. ;D
Eddie
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Now that you've added the four bladed prop on the nose it's all starting to come together for me Eddie. That prop brings the other four props into scale and it just looks right! Nice wingtip tanks too.
Brian da Basher
Whooohooo! Are you going to go bmf, or something civilian?
You know, this aircraft would be nice in pink...
Quote from: B777LR on February 26, 2008, 06:43:25 AM
You know, this aircraft would be nice in pink...
How about red with orange? ;D
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Oooooooo....that is nice. Subtle, yet striking.
Mind if I steal this red-orange stripe idea with pride for a future SAR build, Eddie?
Quote from: John Howling Mouse on March 05, 2008, 06:22:31 PM
Oooooooo....that is nice. Subtle, yet striking.
Mind if I steal this red-orange stripe idea with pride for a future SAR build, Eddie?
Be my guest. ;D
Eddie
Got to give you credit. It's not boring gray on gray...
Looks good. Good job on the finish.
Ed
KAZOWIE! you won't be able to ignore that paintjob!
I like it very much! ;D
Ah yes, the classic low-viz red on red.
Gee, I don't know Eddie. It kinda looked like one of those south seas pirate craft. German WWII wave-mirror scheme with a black skull an' cross bones on the tail. :wub:
I like it Eddie! It's just perfect for this awesome project!
Brian da Basher
I think it needs winglets and toilets :wacko:
Decals are on and it's within a couple of days of being done. ;D
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Wacky! Looks like something Alvis would create! :wub: ;D
My cessna is full of eels suddenly becomes possible...
I still think you should have lost the main engine on that thing, you obviously have a surplus of horsepower already at your disposal so losing the main engine would have been a good way to open up the front of the fuselage for an improved seating plan. But I digress, the little Cessna looks quite impressive with five engines. What you really need on each of the smaller engine cowlings is a small chainsaw brand name that says "Powered by _____" ( Stihl, McCulloch, Husquavarna, or Poulan).
Quote from: Jeffry Fontaine on March 18, 2008, 03:52:43 AM
losing the main engine would have been a good way to open up the front of the fuselage for an improved seating plan.
Nose gunner?
this is good, very good!
eddie! i'd now like something similar in blue, yellow, etc ;D
trevor
This proves it Mr Miller. You sir, are a very twisted genius.
And I am green with envy!
What an incredible model!!! FOUR thumbs up!!!
Brian da Basher
Quote from: Jeffry Fontaine on March 18, 2008, 03:52:43 AM
I still think you should have lost the main engine on that thing, you obviously have a surplus of horsepower already at your disposal so losing the main engine would have been a good way to open up the front of the fuselage for an improved seating plan. But I digress, the little Cessna looks quite impressive with five engines. What you really need on each of the smaller engine cowlings is a small chainsaw brand name that says "Powered by _____" ( Stihl, McCulloch, Husquavarna, or Poulan).
That is a very good idea and the plus side of this is there are a few more on the clearance bench at Hobby Lobby. ;D
Quote from: Brian da Basher on March 18, 2008, 01:36:26 PM
This proves it Mr Miller. You sir, are a very twisted genius.
And I am green with envy!
What an incredible model!!! FOUR thumbs up!!!
Brian da Basher
Thank you very much BdaB. I am humbled. -_-
Quote from: Howard of Effingham on March 18, 2008, 06:18:05 AM
this is good, very good!
eddie! i'd now like something similar in blue, yellow, etc ;D
trevor
Thank you Trevor! :mellow: I'm sure there will be another coming down the pike in the future.
Quote from: salt6 on March 18, 2008, 06:22:14 AM
Don't forget the gas caps on the floats. you can store allot of gas in one and still float. ;D
Excellent idea! Swanny was ribbing about needing to tow a fuel glider to feed this beast. ;D
Quote from: B777LR on March 18, 2008, 01:47:57 AM
Wacky! Looks like something Alvis would create! :wub: ;D
My cessna is full of eels suddenly becomes possible...
Thank you! I would hope that Alvis would like it. ;D
Quote from: Eddie M. on March 18, 2008, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: B777LR on March 18, 2008, 01:47:57 AM
Wacky! Looks like something Alvis would create! :wub: ;D
My cessna is full of eels suddenly becomes possible...
Thank you! I would hope that Alvis would like it. ;D
I'll send him a note and hope he's in a lurking mood today.
Quote from: John Howling Mouse on March 18, 2008, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: Eddie M. on March 18, 2008, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: B777LR on March 18, 2008, 01:47:57 AM
Wacky! Looks like something Alvis would create! :wub: ;D
My cessna is full of eels suddenly becomes possible...
Thank you! I would hope that Alvis would like it. ;D
I'll send him a note and hope he's in a lurking mood today.
Well, in that case, here's the finished product. I could only dream of what Alvis would have done with this. :mellow:
Eddie
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Applause....
Well done. I like the looks. It would make a nice island hopper for playing in the Carribean or South Pacific.
Ed
Mahvellous, simply mmmahvellous! :wub:
Well Done! I could see this taking off right at the edge of a waterfall right before it goes over....gotta make the most of all those engines ya know! Very cool build.
Thank you very much Gents. Do you like the wing lettering? It took my kids a little bit to figure it out. :lol:
Very vibrant !!! Yep, dig the joke. Really nice civvy build. :wub:
Well, in that case, here's the finished product. I could only dream of what Alvis would have done with this.
Eddie
No Eddie, silly week is over, and like I said before, "Alvis has left the building..." Great to see this one done too. So how 'bout a tease... what is your next project on the assembly line? Inquiring minds want to know. :huh:
Quote from: jeff3385 on March 18, 2008, 09:20:31 PM
Well, in that case, here's the finished product. I could only dream of what Alvis would have done with this.
Eddie
No Eddie, silly week is over, and like I said before, "Alvis has left the building..." Great to see this one done too. So how 'bout a tease... what is your next project on the assembly line? Inquiring minds want to know. :huh:
I've started a little somthin somthin over in the Junkyard GB. So far it's got parts from a F-4,5,14,18,and 22 and I'm not done yet. :party:
Eddie
That's a real knock-out, Eddie. You did well. I just had a smirk when I pictured the pilot bringing this one in for its routine maintenance: "How many sparkplugs do you have in stock?"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Fantastic Eddie! It's great to see this honey finished, and oh my god is she great! I love the little turboprops on the wings, and the T-Tail suits her perfectly!
Loving the lettering on the top wing! :ph34r:
Bravo sir! Another triumph! Any chance of more Miller's Modelworks - Civilian Project Studies?
I havent checked on this one in a while and didnt realize it was finished. That really is a great little build Eddie. Love it!
You should send it in to ARC for April Fools.
By my calculations, it would have a flight endurance time of about an hour. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Hawkeye on March 25, 2008, 05:28:33 PM
By my calculations, it would have a flight endurance time of about an hour. :thumbsup:
But you'd get there
real fast. :rolleyes: :lol: There's plenty of room for fuel. In the floats, in the wings in the struts,
in the front seat. :lol: :cheers:
I thank you all for your kind words for the crazy build. :thumbsup:
Eddie
So I guess with all those engines it must be ETOPS compliant?
(V nice, by the way)
;D ;D
You can say screw ETOPS when you go over two engines (Extended Twin engine OPS) so he is good to go.