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Title: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: The Rat on February 06, 2008, 08:24:08 PM
Been reading through a book I picked up a while back, Supermarine Fighter Aircraft by Victor F. Bingham.* Now we all know that the Swift was the next generation's Defiant, a much maligned aircraft which failed in its initial role but excelled in a later one, in this case as the FR.5, a superb low-level fighter recce platform that actually outperformed the RF-86 and RF-101 in many respects.

But what else could it have done? It had much better acceleration and initial climb than the Hunter, and a very robust airframe, so howzabout a navalised version? It could have given the Royal Navy a potent punch half a decade earlier than the Buccaneer, in both attack and reconnaissance roles. Extended nose gear leg with dual wheels, arrestor hook and folding wings (of course!), and a nice blue and white paint job, and I think we have the makings of a nice little project for the Testors one that is buried somewhere in the stash. Any thoughts?

Other ideas would be a two place trainer (the RN one could possibly be a two-holer), or raspberry ripple. Input welcome!


*The Crowood Press, http://www.crowoodpress.co.uk/ (http://www.crowoodpress.co.uk/), ISBN 1 86126 649 9
Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: jcf on February 06, 2008, 11:23:54 PM
The first Swift prototype, (VV106 -  essentially a swept-wing Attacker), was the first swept wing aircraft to operate off of an aircraft carrier. So a navalised Swift isn't outside of the realm of consideration. I guess you could team it with the supersonic Scimitar, the Type 576.

Jon

Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: upnorth on February 06, 2008, 11:25:27 PM
Hand it off to India for a bit and let HAL tinker with it before you take it back for yourself, seemed to work OK for the Gnat.

Seriously, I think export is the way to look at it. It would probably look pretty slick in Rhodesian markings and certainly there would be use for such an aircraft in that region.

For at home, they might work well as unit and base hacks after more advanced types are taken on strength.

Heck, they might even look great in Red Arrows markings.

Beyond attack, reece and training, I'm not sure what else you might do with it, fairly small aircraft wasn't it?
Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: The Rat on February 07, 2008, 04:26:24 PM
Quote from: upnorth on February 06, 2008, 11:25:27 PM... fairly small aircraft wasn't it?
Not much smaller than a Hunter.
Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: Thorvic on February 07, 2008, 04:44:37 PM
Supermarine Type 545  ;D
Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: The Rat on February 07, 2008, 05:16:23 PM
Quote from: Thorvic on February 07, 2008, 04:44:37 PM
Supermarine Type 545  ;D
BLECH! Too ugly!
Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: P1127 on February 07, 2008, 06:34:48 PM
A naval Swift was actually ordered (based on the F3) but later cancelled. There is a small mention of it in Tony Buttler's British Secret Projects Fighters book.

There is also the PR6 (think high altitude). How about a trainer as in the Hunter F6s used by 4FTS?
Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: B777LR on February 08, 2008, 04:39:00 AM
Quote from: Thorvic on February 07, 2008, 04:44:37 PM
Supermarine Type 545  ;D
Isnt that the aircraft they wanted to bellyflop onto carriers and runways?
Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: P1127 on February 08, 2008, 10:54:22 AM
How is the Magna kit? It's the one Swift kit I haven't got!
Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: GTX on February 08, 2008, 12:08:10 PM
For a start, a swift in use by anyone outside of the RAF would be a start.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: The Rat on February 08, 2008, 05:08:50 PM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on February 08, 2008, 07:16:29 AM...but it simply wasn't a fighter.
Precisely why I was thinking attack or recce.
Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: Martin H on February 09, 2008, 02:26:55 PM
At the Milton keyens show I was shown an article about a plan to rip the wings off a swift and use it for a land speed record attempt back in the 1960's and Brian will love this the wheels were spatted in the drawing I saw.
Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: Brian da Basher on February 09, 2008, 06:38:56 PM
Did you say spat, Glorious Leader?

I am sooo there! :wub:

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: The Rat on February 09, 2008, 07:59:31 PM
I am sooooo leaning toward the Naval variant. The thought of adding leading edge slats appeals to me, but thinking of the work that it would entail scares me at the same time. The two fences on each wing are wrong, but could be explained away as necessary on a navy bird, or discarded all together. Wing fold will go between the ailerons and flaps. Refueling probe, hmmm...
Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on February 09, 2008, 08:53:57 PM
Hmmm....USN RF-10A Swift operating from the Oriskany in SEA?
Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: jcf on February 09, 2008, 11:10:04 PM
Ya know when this thread first appeared the other night my tired mind read it as 'Barnstorming a Swift', and I can't get the words, and resultant images, out of my head.  :banghead:

Jon
Title: Re: Brainstorming a Swift
Post by: The Rat on February 10, 2008, 05:21:45 AM
Did the same thing myself even though I wrote the thing!  :lol: