Hi folks,
Ideas for F-100 Whiffs - let's have them.
There's the usual Super Furies for the USN and the occasional RAAF version, what else?
Here's one to kick you off - how about a Phantom F-100 (get those purple and grey paints out):
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Regards,
Greg
To keep things moving, there were these two real world projected versions:
* The F-100J - an all-weather interceptor version for Japan.
* The F-100S - a version with a RR Spey Turbofan and later a TF41.
Other ideas?
Regards,
Greg
Possibly two engines?
Variable geometry, SU-17/22 style?
Tactical reece? pull out the guns and stick in cameras, or a centre line camera pod between the nose and main gear area.
Not sure what else you could do with the F-100 it really was an aircraft that represented 50s design thinking and the limits of what could be done with it. The designs that immediately replaced it represented quite different thinking.
You could give it A-4 style intakes on the fuselage above the wings and retailor the nose for some sort of radar I suppose.
QuoteThe F-100J - an all-weather interceptor version for Japan
Elmayerle posted some gorgeous drawings of radar-nosed F-100s. They looked very good (much better than the F-107)
QuoteTactical reece? pull out the guns and stick in cameras, or a centre line camera pod between the nose and main gear area.
Hmm, an updated version of the RF-100A "Slick Chicks"? 'Twould be simple and easy enough.
A v-g wing like that of the Su-17/20/22 sounds quite plausible.
How about a derivative with the J57 replaced by the somewhat lighter and more efficient J79?
I've seen pictures of a F-100 testbed with the simple gunsight radar replaced by a more capable radar. It'd be an easy conversion to do and definitely changes the looks.
There was a real world F-100 proposal for an AW interceptor a la the F-86D Sabre Dog with a radar and chin intake for the nose.
I like the Su-VG style idea.
Re the Recon version, as Evan said there was the RF-100A:
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Regards,
Greg
QuoteThere was a real world F-100 proposal for an AW interceptor a la the F-86D Sabre Dog with a radar and chin intake for the nose.
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A nose like some of the Chengdu F-7 variants would be pretty cool.
QuoteHow about a derivative with the J57 replaced by the somewhat lighter and more efficient J79?
I like the idea of switching to the J79, that is a simple enough change to do on a model by just swapping out the exhaust parts to reflect the conversion to a different engine.
Keep it simple and subtle! Maybe change the wing tanks over to something more symmetical in shape to replace those long slender swooping things that were/are the trademark of the F-100.
Maybe swap out the four cannons for one Vulcan cannon and call it a day.
West German - Splinter camo, Mmmmmm
Dutch -with NATO Green/Grey/PRU Blue camo, similarly Belgian with really colourful squadron markings like the F-84's.
Israeli - Natch !
They're the first that spring to mind.... South African, perhaps, acquired from France through 'through the back-door'.
Ian
QuoteKeep it simple and subtle! Maybe change the wing tanks over to something more symmetical in shape to replace those long slender swooping things that were/are the trademark of the F-100.
Well, you could keep the slender swooping things and retailor them into Buccaneer style slipper tanks.
QuoteWest German - Splinter camo, Mmmmmm
Dutch -with NATO Green/Grey/PRU Blue camo, similarly Belgian with really colourful squadron markings like the F-84's.
Israeli - Natch !
all of the above! :wub:
QuoteMaybe swap out the four cannons for one Vulcan cannon and call it a day.
If you decide on this one, the proposed replacement of the same cannons with a Vulcan in the F-107 would be an obvious guide.
I can supply scans of the F-107 with Vulcan if needed.
The U.S. cancels all further fighter development but keeps funds around to continue developing and procuring the F-100:
F/A-100N USMC/USN carrier ground attack aircraft, heavy duty landing gear.
F/C-100.....two extra pylons allow for cargo containers...smaller items only...FedEx sponsor stickers on containers
F/M-100.....mail courier to carriers, 31 cent extra charge per package just because
FR.100.....reconnaisance equipment in the front of the wing tanks similar to the Yugoslav units found on their F-84 Plank wings. Used by the RAF.
F/B-100 USAF variant of the F/A-100N
:lol: ,
Daryl J.
The ever elusive F-100 centerline stores pylon. The original image had to be reduced to allow upload. If you wish to see the original image file in full size please contact me via my eMail address and I will send you a copy. This pylon was most often used for a camera pod during the Vietnam unpleasantness and for carriage of a nuclear weapon or baggage pod in other places and times.
On the Wikipedia, the F-100 entry mentioned a F-100J all-weather export variant for Japan.
Since there was a time when aircraft exported to Japan had their ground attack capabilities removed, can I safely assume that this F-100J is also somehow air-defense-optimised? What's the equipment fit?
(A radar small enough to fit into the intake lip? Or a radar nose and relocated intake like that of the F-100BI or even F-107?)
On the what-if front, would a F-100D or F-100BI with tailless delta-wing arrangement have looked cool? ;D
From "Air Pictorial" September 1957:
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Before the advent of the Kopyo 25, was there any pod-mounted air-to-air-capable radar (preferably in the West; I heard there were some for the Mirage V but never found anything to confirm it)?
Just to think of something to go with the tailless delta-wing F-100 in my mind...... ;D
Here are a couple of What If '107s, done several years ago.
Wes W.
Tommy Thomason posted some info on Hypersclae in response to a question about this project:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/message/1255090357/Per+Your+Request
http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/message/1255092665/A+bit+more
Before their demise, ISTR some photos of a F-100 flight testing a radar that was more than a ranging gunsight, though it was located where the standard ranging unit was above the inlet lip. It made for distinctive bulge from the mold line as well as, IIRC, projected forward a bit. Anyone have all the issues and can check?
Following on this idea:
Quote from: dy031101 on May 09, 2009, 07:43:57 PM
Just to think of something to go with the tailless delta-wing F-100 in my mind...... ;D
I have a question.
For the published length of the F-100D, does it start at the nose intake or the tip of pitot probe in deployed form? Does it end at the trailing edge of the tailfin?
I want to get the scale right for the bombs......
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What other suggestions would you have?
AFAIK most manufacturers don't include pitots, aerials or any other probes in the length dimensions, so your F-100's length would be from the intake front face to the upper tip of the fin, measured along the datum line of the fuselage of course.
How about measuring the model fuselage-fin assembly of the model you're building, and seeing how it compares to published dimensions before you start on the wings and bombs etc?
Quote from: dy031101 on May 09, 2009, 07:43:57 PM
Before the advent of the Kopyo 25, was there any pod-mounted air-to-air-capable radar (preferably in the West; I heard there were some for the Mirage V but never found anything to confirm it)?
Yes the UK had a radar pod in the 1950' - 1960's called the Ekco 38B in Marineflieger service. It was used on the Seahawk Mk-101's of MFG-2, which carried it on the inner right wing pylon. It was a sea search radar not air-to-air, and was not a great success as the electrical system could not support it. This ment the power to the aerilons had to be shut down to operate the pod. It looks about the length of the standard droptank, but has a wider more bulbus nose. Don't know any technical spec though sorry.
GeoffP
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Re-scaling bombs in what I believe to be the right proportion...... didn't help. Guess the bombs are indeed that small compared to the F-100 fuselage......
Quote from: Geoff on September 24, 2011, 03:28:19 AM
Yes the UK had a radar pod in the 1950' - 1960's called the Ekco 38B in Marineflieger service. It was used on the Seahawk Mk-101's of MFG-2, which carried it on the inner right wing pylon. It was a sea search radar not air-to-air, and was not a great success as the electrical system could not support it. This ment the power to the aerilons had to be shut down to operate the pod. It looks about the length of the standard droptank, but has a wider more bulbus nose.
Electrical generator needs beefing up (what I have in mind indeed calls for an air intercept radar)- got it!
StarSabre
F-104 (Viggen intakes) with F-100 flying surfaces. Alternative tail fin: 2nd one looks a F-100 with lateral intakes
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USAF: A pair of simple radarless fighters to attack in Vietnam War
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Would a different wing design & area ruling cure the low speed problems of the hun?
Quote from: thundereagle1997 on December 13, 2022, 10:29:26 PMWould a different wing design & area ruling cure the low speed problems of the hun?
Wing design - to a degree, but a major problem was the unresponsiveness of the engine installation at stall speed, leading to an all or nothing throttle handling if you just wanted to nudge the aircraft away from stall speed. The resulting over-oscillation is known as the "Sabre dance". Once pilots were taught to either land as you were or go around, and absolutely nothing in between, the accident rate fell dramatically
Sorry I thought the wing was the primary result of the Sabre Dance. Twin J-85-GE-21s would've made the F-100 a little better plus the wing & intakes of the Saab Draken as a modernised super sabre
Absolutely no need to apologise! <_<
Spanish F-100
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French F-100 with french touch :mellow: or, maybe, SMB2 on steroids.
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Would an F-100 be better with side mounted intakes for excellent ground clearance a cranked arrow double delta wing for better low speed control a Rolls Royce turbofan to solve the sabre dance problem a bubble canopy for better visibility along with canard foreplanes twin vertical tails for better stability 4 30mm or 2 40mm cannons & a new array of air to air missiles would've made the Super Sabre even better?
Quote from: thundereagle1997 on August 26, 2023, 03:18:22 AMWould an F-100 be better with side mounted intakes for excellent ground clearance a cranked arrow double delta wing for better low speed control a Rolls Royce turbofan to solve the sabre dance problem a bubble canopy for better visibility along with canard foreplanes twin vertical tails for better stability 4 30mm or 2 40mm cannons & a new array of air to air missiles would've made the Super Sabre even better?
Sounds like a Draken to me :wacko:
It might be better, but it wouldn't be an F-100 any more, it'd be a totally new aircraft.
Love the 100, and the 107 is one of my favorite planes.
Reading a history of the Pakistan Air Force, and they were offered the F-100. Chose the 104, of course. Also the F-80 earlier; I'll track down the P-80 thread.