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Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: jcf on June 15, 2007, 12:40:23 AM
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The easyJet ecoJet.

Cheers, Jon

Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: GTX on June 15, 2007, 12:47:32 AM
Me likey!!!

Regards,

Greg
Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: B777LR on June 15, 2007, 01:00:24 AM
Me too, and look, the propfan is back! Its even got 737 winglets glued to the aft!
Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: simmie on June 15, 2007, 03:25:45 AM
that is one well funky looking bird!

Bet the noise as it taxies accross the airport will be different from usual!!!
Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: Hobbes on June 15, 2007, 04:47:25 AM
and the link to Easyjet's page on this proposal (http://www.easyjet.com/en/News/easyjet_ecojet.html)

Interesting, but I'm not sure their ideas are realistic. Only 7 years to design and build an aircraft that outperforms the current generation by 50%? Especially when it's not only the airframe, but the engines that need to be designed as well.

Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: B777LR on June 15, 2007, 06:31:57 AM
Quoteand the link to Easyjet's page on this proposal (http://www.easyjet.com/en/News/easyjet_ecojet.html)

Interesting, but I'm not sure their ideas are realistic. Only 7 years to design and build an aircraft that outperforms the current generation by 50%? Especially when it's not only the airframe, but the engines that need to be designed as well.
I think it could be done. My main worry would be the engines. How quickly could the engine manufacturers develop new propfans?

Boeing is already studying the 737RS, the replacement for the Boeing 737 ;) And they have experience with composites from the 787 ;)

As for Airbus, i think they have been placing too much weight onto the Airbus A-320 Next Generation, to build this plane.

Embraer might be a likely producer of this plane as well. They have already announced interest in a 100-200 seater.

Bombardier and Sukhoi are developing the Superjet 100 (sukhoi and boeing), and the C-series jet (bombardier), so i dont think theyd be in for this plane...


QuoteOnly 7 years to design and build an aircraft that outperforms the current generation by 50%?

The 787 was developed in less than 7 years ;)  The A-320 and 737 families use the CFM56 engine, which is a rather old design by now :unsure: Might not be 50 %, but perhaps 30-40%
Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: Howard of Effingham on June 15, 2007, 06:59:12 AM
Quote
Quoteand the link to Easyjet's page on this proposal (http://www.easyjet.com/en/News/easyjet_ecojet.html)

Interesting, but I'm not sure their ideas are realistic. Only 7 years to design and build an aircraft that outperforms the current generation by 50%? Especially when it's not only the airframe, but the engines that need to be designed as well.
I think it could be done. My main worry would be the engines. How quickly could the engine manufacturers develop new propfans?

somewhere somebody probably still has the details and the drawings for the was it
MD-80 UDF and i suspect that some of the inspiration for this has come from scaling up
the piaggio avanti [the italian AF usually brings one to fairford] by about 100% too.

i am sure that easy-jet would not seek some publicity in this manner if they hadn't
been talking to the few remaining airliner manufacturers, and we don't know what
projects these manufacturers have been quietly working on. also bear in mind that
the run up to a major airshow and trade event is a good time to get news like this out.

trevor
Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: ysi_maniac on June 15, 2007, 07:17:27 AM
Love those triangular Caravelle windows
Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: Mossie on June 15, 2007, 08:59:31 AM
Can't comment on wether or not it'll happen in that timescale, but has that chisel nose look of an Embraer to me.  Wouldn't surprise me if they were trying to get a jump on the bigs boys & as 777 says, they are already getting to into aircraft of this size.
Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: GTX on June 15, 2007, 12:26:10 PM
QuoteEspecially when it's not only the airframe, but the engines that need to be designed as well.

Actually, most of the major engine makers have long been investigating such new engines.  See here (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/06/12/214519/green-sky-thinking-carbon-credits-and-the-propfan.html), here (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/06/05/214387/r-r-reveals-clean-open-rotor-design.html) and here (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/05/08/213717/cfm-studies-open-rotor-concept-for-next-generation-airliner.html) for a brief desciption of some developments.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: PanzerWulff on June 15, 2007, 06:00:08 PM
I dont know the foreward fusalage looks a tad long to me something akin ti a LawnDart :blink:  :blink:  :blink:  
Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: Shasper on June 15, 2007, 07:04:45 PM
More like a Dreamliner front end stretched & mated w/a new wing & arse.

Shas B)
Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: John Howling Mouse on June 16, 2007, 04:35:50 PM
I dunno, man, it's going to be REALLY hard for them to "upgrade" to a T-Tail design on this one (and, sooner or later, all designs naturally evolve toward the T-Tail)...

:P  
Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: upnorth on June 17, 2007, 12:15:11 AM
QuoteI dont know the foreward fusalage looks a tad long to me something akin ti a LawnDart :blink:  :blink:  :blink:
No different than a 727 really, it had quite a bit of fuselage ahead of the wings relative to what was behind. Actually I think thats almost necessary when you have the engines that far back, just to counter weight the engines.
Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: Ian the Kiwi Herder on June 17, 2007, 12:20:29 AM
Nice to see Gerry Anderson is designing aircraft again.

Ian
Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on June 17, 2007, 02:42:26 AM
Remember seeing the MD-80 UDF at Farnborough Airshow. The noise it made was appalling!
Title: Have You Guys Seen What Easyjet Wants
Post by: JC Carbonel on June 17, 2007, 02:57:00 AM
The Paris Air Show is coming so anyone is coming with fancy ideas to grab the front pages . See EADS is promoting space tourism too ....

JCC