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Chaps, I'm taking part in the 500-Phantom Group Build for Telford 2008.

So far planned are naturally some real Phantoms...USN, USMC USAF ANG and some others, like Iranian AF RF-4Es.

But what else?

These are 1/72nd by the way.....most builds are.

I think the USAF ANG had plans to update F-4C/Ds at one time, along the Boeing project idea, so an updated F-4D in ANG greys could look amusing (but it'll be based on a 1/48th kit).

I DO have plans for many F-4S in schemes that they never wore:

some USN/USMC ones that'll really confuse..."did they have those"??
a Pakistan AF F-4S
a RAF F-4S
a South African F-4S
a Rhodesian F-4S
a Saudi F-4S

I have the decals.
Also, the Italeri kit is a sweet build....basically can be built with a smidge of filler on the spine, in around 3 hours flat.

Also on the build list is the lovely Revell 1/72nd RF-4E kit...RAF Hemp/grey scheme.
I shall adopt the Israeli and Iranian philosophy for operating these Phantom RF-4Es as the RAF's Phantom PR.4, by attaching them to normal Phantom units. Hence, I can use 111Sqn markings!! Cool.

Gonna be fun.

And don't forget the Penguin Defence Flight RAF in the Falklands! With Penguin pilots :lol:
Coming soon to an asylum near you :party:  :party:  

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f4_27.html (http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f4_27.html)

... i kinda like the idea of RAF, recce birds, either as 'RF' noses fitted to 'Spey' Phantoms or 'straight' US. Recce birds transferred to RAF. service

... another one id love to see would be early RN. schemes either overall 'anti flash white' or even standard USN. 'Gull Grey/White'

cheers, Joe  :ph34r:  

QuoteChaps, I'm taking part in the 500-Phantom Group Build for Telford 2008.

If you see Lee walk into the hall with a box of cats...  :P  

RAF F4C/D?  The Air Ministry looked at a 'vanilla' F4C in about 63/64 as an alternative to the P1154 as a FGR replacement for the Hunter FGA9/FR10 sqns.  The RAF had little interest in the Spey's extra power which the RN needed to meet its deck limitations, and saw the project as a diversion of funds away from a 'good enough' solution.  The 'Spotswood' study included the FGR requirement as well as the TSR, envisaging up to 10 sqns (2 Air Support Command, 4 RAFG, 2 MEAF, 2 FEAF).  The funds would then have gone into TSR2, F4 and an AD aircraft as Lightning replacement in 75, the latter the initial scope of the AFVG.  However, there would have been no Harrier or Jaguar.

So you could pick some of the following as a 'slightly strange' UK Phantoms:

60s/70s - 8, 43 or 208 markings in ME, perhaps flying from Bahrain.  20 and 28 Sqn flying from Changi.  2, 4 and perhaps some of the Canberra sqns from RAFG.
1 and 54 in the UK.
             
80s - Any of the above in wrap round green/gray as low-level FGR.

90s - Granby Pink, again in the FGR role.

GOOD MAN!!!

Some great ideas :wub:
Thanks.

Almost finished building the first Italeri F-4S, which'll be USMC real (but others, real DAFT ones are coming!!) :lol:  

sounds like a great idea, i say lets go for this "i love F-4 phantoms GB"

Right on, dude.

There's huge potential in J79-powered RAF Phantoms.
Love 'em. :wub:  

chaps! i am taking part in this one too.

fact is a wif RAF F-4 is already on the What If and Phantasy pages (http://www.500phantoms.com) of ted bayliss and phil butlers website.  :P

its all my work as they say!  :party:  :cheers:  ^_^

yeah lots of scope for phantom wiffs. 141 sqn RAF F-4 on the bench at the mo'.

trevor

USAF F-4S!

Sweden? (instead of viggens?)

France? Perhaps if they had better relations with the US?

Australia! Yes, they did operate some for a year, but what if they decided to buy F-4 S as well, and operate them today?

New Zealand! If australia had them, why not?

Brazil. Theyve got  carriers ;)  So has Argentina ;)

That's what I like, boys...think BIG :lol:  

How about the Hawker-produced variant that paved the way for the Harrier cooperation?   All flying surfaces received Hawker ogival contours.    


Tah dah!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Daryl J.

There was the VG variant & at on time the FAA wasn't interested in anything that didn't have a swing wing.  Maybe go with 897 NAS markings, they used a large Tern's head marking on the nose, not quite a Penguin but not too far off!  Only know of a decal sheet in 1/72 though.

Oh, & if your going daft, how about the personal aircraft of the Comic Book Character The Phantom 'The Ghost Who Walks'?  F-4 in Purple with skull markings???

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi72.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi176%2FMossie105%2FGeneral%2FThePhantom.jpg&hash=94f811390cdc0616cb348b7703208f237f400a35)

Why not just build some of Richard's profiles - here (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=14124&h) or here (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=6961)?

Regards,

Greg

The Italian AMI seriously looked at the F-4C but bought the F-104G/S in the end.

Roman Air Force F-4?

Just a couple thoughts - Spey-powered Phantom with the F-4E/F gun nose, this design later used as the basis for the RAF's first dedicated Wild Weasel aircraft?

I know it's been done, but a USMC gun-nosed Phantom?

The originally proposed F-4EJKai design with a wing aerodynamically derived from that of the F-15 (take a look, span from root to tip is near spot-on the same for both and the root chord is, too), esp. if combined with single-piece windscreen.  Then take that combo one step farther with PW1120s.

QuoteThere was the VG variant & at on time the FAA wasn't interested in anything that didn't have a swing wing.  Maybe go with 897 NAS markings, they used a large Tern's head marking on the nose, not quite a Penguin but not too far off!  Only know of a decal sheet in 1/72 though.

Oh, & if your going daft, how about the personal aircraft of the Comic Book Character The Phantom 'The Ghost Who Walks'?  F-4 in Purple with skull markings???

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi72.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi176%2FMossie105%2FGeneral%2FThePhantom.jpg&hash=94f811390cdc0616cb348b7703208f237f400a35)

I've seen at least one Phantom comic book with those markings on a Harrier (makes a lot more sense given  his AO).

Hey, we're cooking on gas.

I've got Richard's ideas firmly in mind. I know that he'd thought "British Phantoms" but hellfire, colours are colours, eh?
And Glanini's Phantoms surely figure.....Italian, anyway.

Italian...surely....lots of F-104 decals around.
And there's a lot of options in NATO....

Belgian
Dutch
Danish
Norwegian

a FREE Poland?

Portugal?

And Rhino....the Imperial Roman Phantoms were operated in Natural Metal and known as "Imperator".
A Roman one? gorra be....especially with the bright markings the Romans used on heavily weathered natural metal airframes.

1/72nd Phantoms can be very quickly built and then it's just a matter ofhow quickly you want to paint. I must admit, having gone to the trouble of building the buggar, I'd prefer to luxuriate in a decent paint/decal/weathering job. I find actually doing this takes twice as long (at least) as building the thing.
But that means, with a bit of effort, creative timing, etc., I can finish a 1/72nd beast in a week and probably build a couple of others ready for painting too.
The F-4S I've got on the go will be a real one, low-viz greys, USN, but the next build (starting tomorrow) will be a Revell 1/72nd RF-4E in RAF colours :wub:

I'm concious of the fact that the 500 Phantom build is really aimed at REAL stuff, and so I'll respect the idea behind that....but slip in some fun builds too.
I could well end up with LOTS of fun builds in 1/72nd anyway, but hey, so what. ..they can go on other tables  :party:  

RNoAF--->  Very light grey with a Norske flag on the tail?   Streamlined of course.


These phantom Phantoms sound rather entertaining!


Daryl J., 50% Norwegian by blood........uffda

Would a Viking Phantom have oars?? Silly idea.

I'm making a list.
Gods know how many I'll build, but really I want a real one for every what if Phantom. Building the what if ones isn't a problem...lots of variety with airframe and decals, but the real ones are more problematical.
I'm building 3 x "S" models (Italeri kits with Hasegawa decals) and another couple of Italeri "S" kits using Aeromaster/Superscale decals.
Then 5 x "S" models in what if schemes.....that'll be real fun!
The Hasegawa "S" will be built as a "J" as I've some really nice Superscale decals for that.
A Revell RF-4E will be Iranian, while another will be RAF.

Plans include getting hold of more Phantom models. I've got the above, but I need more!
And real decals.
I've a couple of really nice RF-4C schemes to build in USAF colours....all SEAsia schemes, and hope to counterbalance with a couple of other RF models in what if colours, but if it's easier, I'll put photo pods on what if F-4S kits :lol:

This'll be fun, and I'm HAVING fun.
Way to go.
Expect squadrons of F-4s whenever I'm about :lol:  

Thanks Geoff.
The Spanish RF-4Cs are a favourite of mine....lovely weathering, great schemes and that Israeli-designed inflight refuelling probe. Got some Hi-decals for those and some Iranian ones too.

Thinking of RF-4Es in different schemes now...obviously RAF, Pakistan, Saudi (an all gloss black one), etc..
the USMC could have some too as RF-4Js :D  :ar:

Huge possibilities here....lorra, lorra fun!! :lol:  :party:  :party:  :party:  

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the USMC could have some too as RF-4Js

Radish
The last 10 USMC RF-4B's were effectively RF-4J's, with the late engines, fat wings, and the last 3 even had the later rounded nose profile.
Now an RF-4S with slatted wing, that would be cool (the only slatted wing RF being the famous 62-12200 when she did the slat trials for the F-15 program)

An RF-4S would be nice wouldn't it. :wub:

Got some more kits in the post today, but strangely, by orientation is towards REAL ones at the moment. No doubt this lunacy will pass and I'll resume full scale honest whatiffery before long.
Phantom PR4 in Desert Pink any one? :lol:  

Huge possibilities with the absolutely BEAUTIFUL Revell RF-4E....it just clicks together. Not as quick a build as the Italeri F-4S but much finer detail, a huge quantum leap in quality too, even the ejection seats are terrific.

I can see mega Photo-builds, I really can.

Hannants have sold out of Italeri "S" kits (all my fault, sorry!!) and lots more on order.
Just built the entire body/wings of an F-4S.
1 hour.
I'll slap a sliver of filler on the fuselage top, front half and leave it to set/congeal tonight. Tomorrow morning I'm off to Cambridge for Rocky Horror, but no doubt will have some time to sand things a bit, ready for the u/c on Sunday :lol:  or more likely Monday. :rolleyes:  

Just "added up" and I've 22 Phantoms either in the stash or on order. More to be sent for too....I need F-4Ds but if I can't get 'em, then the Italeri F-4S will be equipping Italy, etc.. :lol:

REALLY looking forward to painting and decalling these :party:  

Radish, you're a beginner, I have just counted my 1/72nd stash, and I have 148 to start, with B's, C/D's B/N's N's E's (short of those) F's, 1 G, S's, J/S's, 1 RF-4B, RF-4C's, and RF-4E's, all Hasegawa, plus 10 or so Fujimi FG.1 and FGR.2's.
Already built over 100, with 14 on the go, including a 56 Sqdn what if with a F-4E nose and slatted wings
I have a spot reserved in the loony bin, although working for BAE is considered the same.

French navy instead of Crusader (the Spey variant variant only, no way of fitting a J-79 Phantom into the foch).

Armée de l'air as an interim type to replace Mirage IV (before G8, ACF or 4000 enter service). AN-52 (or even ASMP!) on the centerline.


CEV (flight test center). They used Vautours and Canberras  until the 80's because these big twin engine machines had a lot of internal space... just like a Phantom!
Phantom in high-viz french markings with lots of bumps and antennas, Mirage noses, R-530 / super 530 AAMs...

I'll check some CEV Canberras / Vautour pics ("the Super Mystere collection" website has some superb pics)  

Geoff, true, the F-4 airframe's tightly packed.
That's why some of my updated thingies will have bulges all over the place...like MiG technology!!

I haven't got a "gun" F-4 yet, but I'll follow the USMC course with that....

Got others to build first, but for now the delights of Rocky Horror call.
Off to Cambridge in a bit :party:  

Brazil wanted F-4E's but got F-5s instead

QuoteArchi, I don't know how true it is; but the blokes I have spoken to who have worked on the F-4 say there is only tiny amounts of internal space, a real maintanence nightmare.
Mind you lots of options if you can use a pod?

But there would be much more internal space if you get ride of the weapon system and some others things  ;)  

How about the proposed F-4E(F) single seat variant of the Phantom - see here (http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f4_12.html) for details.

Regards,

Greg

QuoteHow about the proposed F-4E(F) single seat variant of the Phantom - see here (http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f4_12.html) for details.

Regards,

Greg

did that one ages ago

Its safe and sound in the sigs display at the Midland air museum, coventry

Along with an F-4HL


Hey ted im still going to do the Slip wing idea of yours...just a small matter of clearing the bench of VTOL builds first

Quotedid that one ages ago

Its safe and sound in the sigs display at the Midland air museum, coventry

Any pics - given that the the Midland air museum is a little out of my way right now.

Regards,

Greg

And the F-4T was a stripped-down "E" proposal....also single-seat I believe. :D  

Wow!!!!

When I went into this I NEVER realised the possibilities...and more to come.

I've sorted out 20 different colour schemes (ie COLOURS not unit markings, etc)
One colour scheme....the basic low-viz grey that's everyone's favourite :lol:  :lol:  has around 10 models allocated to it already, mostly real but some whatiffy ones too.

Other candidates are:

Desert Pink....111 Sqn RAF
White....dirty and Finnish
NATO grey/green/PR Blue...Belgian
Black....Saudi
Sand, grey, brown....Pakistan
Sand/charcoal....Algeria

Oooooohhh, so many.

2 x F-4S sprayed in grey already.
RF-4E awaiting an u/c......Desert Pink?? :rolleyes:  

Radish,

How about taking a Fujimi F-4J and shortening the vertical stab's chord a tad, removing the dog tooth on the outer wings, flattening the horizontal stabs a mite, converting it to single seat, and painting it the dual green scheme seen on on Harriers (NATO/Lichen green?) and hanging a dabble of Rockeyes on a couple of pylons?



Daryl J.

Fujimi "J"s will be built real, but Italeri "S"s are cheaper and easier to come by.
I'll certainly be adding some whatiffery, not just in the paintwork...

I quite fancy a zwilling F-4SS?? Black and silver :ph34r:
And that modelling feat could release a couple of tailplanes for an X-tail Phantom :wacko:

And did I say that in The Rocky Horror Show there are Phantoms in the cast? :party:  

QuoteI quite fancy a zwilling F-4SS?? Black and silver :ph34r:

Hey terry that would look good alongside that Falklands based twin toom i did a few years ago

Sounds good, Martin.

Hey, a quad Phantom? Would it be a 4x4 :lol:  

I got my work in progress F-4M (gun armed Spey engined, 56 Sqn slatted blah blah blah) out last night with a view to finally completing it, but the main gear has disappeared and there is other damage to it, so I've put it away again. I'm going to have to find an Aeroclub U/C set to replace the broken bits, then I'll continue from there. The plan was to complete it for the Tyne and Wear show.
Oh well, thats life.

So 500 Phantom build - can you do the origional McD Phantom ? Or does it have to be the II ?

Chris

It's all to do with the 50th Anniversary of the F-4 Phantom II so the early Phantom might not be applicable, but I'm only entering, not applying the rules.
There's also the very early Phantom II projects which look a bit like a cross between a Demon and the end result.
Single-seaters again. :party:  

QuoteSo 500 Phantom build - can you do the origional McD Phantom ? Or does it have to be the II ?

Chris

Sorry, it's specifically the F-4, as that is the anniversary we're celebrating, although we had discussed the original Phantom within the SIG and decided against it.
Ted

Okay, if you can find a conversion for the original "low canopy" F-4A, how about using that as a basis for a single-seater with the back portion clear to improve pilot visibility?  It could be with or without internal gun.  I admit to being tempted, very, to try doing that one.

That's a very interesting scenario...mmmmmmm.  :blink:  :cheers:  

QuoteOkay, if you can find a conversion for the original "low canopy" F-4A

There is a Falcon triple set conversion available from Hannants, with the F-A, HC-130 variants, and the 2 seat A-10.

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QuoteSo 500 Phantom build - can you do the origional McD Phantom ? Or does it have to be the II ?

Chris

Sorry, it's specifically the F-4, as that is the anniversary we're celebrating, although we had discussed the original Phantom within the SIG and decided against it.
Ted

Thanks Mr Rhino - afraid the II is a little "late" in my period of interest, but I may still get my I out of the stash anyway.

Good luck with the build and do you know what you've let yourself in for with Rad ?  :dum:  :lol:

Chris

Unfortunately,I do, we have encountered each other previously. Just out of curiousity Radish, I was going to a model show not too long ago, and there was a guy in a lay by dressed in stockings suspenders and knickers, and not a lot more, not a pretty sight, that wasn't you was it? If so, the Rocky Horror show has a lot to live down :lol:  :lol:

PS my friends call me Rhino, don't worry about the polite salutation.

Wassn't me in the lay-by I can assure you, although I do dress wherever we stay and drive to the venue.
The longest drive we've ever done in full gear/make-up was from home (South Derbyshire) to Cambridge.....around 2 hours....on a Saturday afternoon in the summer.
And "yes", we have stopped at filling stations to fill up with fuel in full gear, and "Yes", I have stopped at a service station to use the loo. (I did use the gents, although at the theatres, it's usual to encounter both men and women in the gents, in fact, "anything" seems to be acceptable! ;)

For the latest Radish photos at Rocky Horror, go to:

http://www.timewarp.org.uk/lab/cambridge07/15.htm (http://www.timewarp.org.uk/lab/cambridge07/15.htm)

I'm on the right with the purple basque and Norman is the other guy. He's a security guard B)
There's others of me at the same venue too.

Stoke on Trent this coming Friday and Saturday nights!! :lol:  

Oh, by the way, another Italeri "S" started (ie built) last night. Just needs a bit of rubbing down and the u/c and twiddly bits adding later today.
The 1/48th Pakistami F-4D+ is back on the boiler too, and is at a stage when the weathering will begin.
Weathering = washes, repainting, drybrushing, crayon (greys, browns) and a bit of silver chipping.
Plans for my next 1/48th F-4 include:

Italeri (ESCI) F-4E...modified to a single-seat F-4F West German AF
Italeri (ESCI) F-4J....modified to an ANG F-4D+ with an R2 (as in Star Wars R2D2) unit in the rear cockpit.
Revell (Hasegawa) FGR2 in USN colours to operate from smaller carriers.

But I've lots of 1/72nd ones to build first.
I'm going through ALL my Italeri 1/72nd F-4S first (production line techniques) and they'll all (for the moment) be USN or USMC....but not necessarily in the right markings, but they could be. It'll be a case of "confusion" for everyone :lol:

And the Zwilling F-4 is a strong possibility, depending on the availability of kits. Next model show I'll scour around.

I quite fancy an F-4x4 (ie a "quad" F-4) for  banning from Town Centres :lol:  :lol:

Fun, innit.

Got lots of decals, lots of options, and poor Rhino will receive some for his display at the Avon Show in August. :party:  

Just for "a bit of a change", I'm investigating the possibility of adding the underfuselage conformal fuel tank to my current "S" build. It'll still be USMC, but it'll look a bit different to the usual "S"s :lol:

I've accumulated a substantial number of decal options for the USN and USMC so finding a unit shouldn't be difficult and we all love GREY don't we :lol:  :lol:

Looking through my stash of preformed vac-bits (ie packaging) that will be useful.

With a very full load, this modified F-4S will be one heavy beast!! :party:  

Of course, Italeri 1/48th F-4E will be Italian, not German.

Also, let's remember I have a 1/48th Monogram F-4J modified to represent an Orkenwaffe Ork "Wraith" :lol:  

Radish,

You inspired me to order a Phantom in for a Whiffery!   :wub:  :wub:  :wub:

HLJ dot com is accepting pre-orders for the Hasegawa F-4S at a very reasonable price.   The plan:   Hawker built the Phantom locally and did some Anglicising of the airframe.    It'll get a Hawker family look to the entire tailplane and main wings along with a few British Bumps for antennae.   It may get some Harrier GR.5 markings in two tone green.

It's slated for a late 2007 or 2008 build.
Daryl J.

Nice one, dude!!

I think the "S" would have been great in UK service.

Slatted wing FG.1 or FGR2 anyone? :wub:

Got 4x Hasegawa/Revell FGR2s (1/48th) and I'm thinking at least 2 will be F-4L models for the USMC. ;)  

QuoteSlatted wing FG.1 or FGR2 anyone? :wub:

Got it covered with my Spey E, if I ever complete it.

Sounds great, Ted.

Picked up another "S" today....USN or USMC of course ;)  

I think it was Nev who voiced the idea of a Red Arrows Hawk, in full livery, but used for its alternative interceptor role in the event of a crisis.
Well......what about a Red Arrows F-4, similar concept to that voiced by Nev, in full costume (so to speak) and all dirty and used after a "crisis" as yet to be divised! It'll be a single-seater too :lol:
That's my next F-4 build :party:  

I think it was me Rad, the Reds Hawks were covered in the T.1A upgrade for them to be able to use Sidewinders.  I love the idea of a 'dirty' Reds F-4!  With your obsession for dirty birds, I think you've been going to RHS too much!!!

RHS too much!!
:o

NEVER :P

Off to Sheffield on Tuesday night! B)  

Still Radish, at least with you going to the Rocky Horror show, we had a nice and quiet show at Tyneside :lol:  :lol:  

And I had an absolutely FABULOUS weekend!
Got me bottom smacked, and had so much fun.
Rocky Horror should be on prescription....gives me a happiness injection every time! :lol:
The Boeing-conformal tank is fixed, some detail to add to it now. U/c and stuff added.
It'll be a fully-loaded F-4D+ with a full load-out and obviously a slatted wing as it's the "S" Italeri kit.
I've remembered to opt for the curved inter pylons as on F-4Ds.
Colour scheme?
I quite like the idea of a desert scheme in perhaps Saudi colours. :party:  

QuoteI quite like the idea of a desert scheme in perhaps Saudi colours. :party:

What about the little modelled Oman Air Force, wrapround lt and dark browns, with the earlier SOAF markings with nice red roundels.

with ideas like that Ted, all i can say is

Welcome to the darkside.  :lol:  :lol:  

Quotewith ideas like that Ted, all i can say is

Welcome to the darkside.  :lol:  :lol:

Is the dark side Pink Floyd or Star Wars?

just so long as you were thinking WISH YOU WERE HERE on Sunday, while I was COMFORTABLY NUMB :lol:  after the weekend excesses.
Omani, eh?
Might be.
I've a few decals to sort through...the 1/72nd stuff is being gradually expanded) but it's altogether now...looking good and HEAVY!! :salute:  

The Sandy one is ready for a spray now in Sand Primer.

The Red Arrows one has been begun!!

Don't forget I've got room for what if 1/72nd scale tooms on my site, piccies please, if they're up for the display next year.
Oh, I hear a rumour Radish might be a bit older today, I,ve plenty of grey hairs if you want some :cheers:  

No birthday today...innaccurate info on the IPMS website.
58 a month ago and I have lots of my own grey hair thanks...in fact, some are white!
The F-4s will be "up" for the 500 F-4-build display, no problem.
Photos soon when I've sorted my decent camera.
In fact, as the SIG is at Avon, I'll bring some F-4s along then....at least 6 I'd say.

I'll look forward to seeing you there then mate.

For something different as a whif Phantom, I offer McDD designs 98-DA, 98-DA-1, and 98-DB, all of which were CAS versions studied for the US Army.

The Aerofax Minigraph on the F-4E has a whole list of interesting variants that were studied.

Thanks, mate.
I'd forgotten about those books.
They're buied in my room and I've not looked at them for years.
I've got the Aerofax on the D as well.
:lol:

Should receive 6 more F-4s today....

2 x "E/F"
2 x RF-4C
2 x "S"

All Italeri.

All to be real ones (I'm afraid) :party:  

QuoteThe Sandy one is ready for a spray now in Sand Primer.

The Red Arrows one has been begun!!

:o this i look forward to rad'!  :o

btw, how are you doing the smoke generator? pod mounted on the centerline?

I received 4 Hasegawa RF-4E's yesterday, the new AG-51 special, which I have already done. Doh

QuoteThanks, mate.
I'd forgotten about those books.
They're buied in my room and I've not looked at them for years.
I've got the Aerofax on the D as well.
:lol:

Should receive 6 more F-4s today....

2 x "E/F"
2 x RF-4C
2 x "S"

All Italeri.

All to be real ones (I'm afraid)

The cool thing about the Aerofax F-4E book is that it depicts the original gunpod proposed for one of the aft Sparrow mounts as well as containing a listing of every gun-armed Phantom concept studied.  There are some real interesting variants there, including F-4M with the gun nose and USMC gun-nosed versions.

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btw, how are you doing the smoke generator? pod mounted on the centerline?

The easiest way is to use a F-15 type centrline pod (more G tolerant, bigger capacity) with internal piping emerging above the nozzles. Even Radish could handle that.

Why re-invent the wheel guys?  Do what the Blues and Birds did-mount the dye and pumps in dummy Sparrow shapes.

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btw, how are you doing the smoke generator? pod mounted on the centerline?

The easiest way is to use a F-15 type centrline pod (more G tolerant, bigger capacity) with internal piping emerging above the nozzles. Even Radish could handle that.

with a 600 gallon capacity, hey! you could have rainbow colored smoke.

radish will probably give this tank a livery all its own.....  :D  :P  :o

yes you could put the smoke generators in a sparrow airframe but an F-15 tank is
much more fun!  :thumbsup:  

And the Revell RF-4E kit has an Eagle tank too ;)

So lots of options.
The Red Arrows and Sandy one will be at the SIG meet on June 23rd at Doncaster.
I'll bring some more F-4s to work on too.

The Aerofax books have been unearthed...ones on the D, E and RF versions.
There's lots of info I'm re-acquainting myself with as it's years since I read them.

I'm going to build some Phantoms in "flying" mode too....what if? ones anyway, mounted on picture frames so that they can stand vertically or even hang on a wall. I did it with an F-16 a year or so ago and it seemed to work OK, so I'll give it a go. :ph34r:

Tomorrow is painting day (I'm out headbanging again tomorrow night....Meatloaf tribute) but Saturday and Sunday are free....decalling I think.
2 x USMC birds (real) and the sandy and Red Arrows one'll be worked on too.
Decal Monday?

That gun pod that fits on the rear starboard Sparrow "well" is a cool dude.
Fancy having one either side!!
Hell of a ground attack "ARMY" beast :lol:
A fully loaded "D" would be exceptional, if a little heavy....long runway required?

Meanwhile "E" projects to explore from the Aerofax book are:

E for the Dutch
E for the Malaysian AF
E for Singapore.

I suppose the Royal Yorkshire air Force would have a special "EEEEEE" version. :lol:  Must tell Chris Ayre, he of the RYAF. :party:  

Versions that lend themselves to building into quite interesting models are concepts devised by McDonnell (according to the previously mentioned Aerofax Minigraph on the F-4E).....

Model 98-DB/ARMY/3-61....based on the early Phanton (F-4C??) dedicated to ground support, no folding wings, no arrestor gear (but a lightweight hook), no Sparrows, but gunpod and a plated over rear canopy....ie, it's a single seater for the US ARMY.
Fancy one with a full weapon load, dark green all over and low-viz markings??

Model 98-GI....an easy one this....F-4E with the dedicated recon pod as used by the RAF FGR2s.

98-JO/USAF/10-28-66....an F-4M (ie Phantom FGR2) with the F-4E Plus nose....the + has FLIR capacity.

98-MX/7-8-69...an F-4E strike reconnaisance aircraft for the Royal Netherlands Air Force :wub:

98-NN/12-28-70...F-4E(modified) for Singapore :wub:

98-NP/12-28-70...F-4E(modified) for Malaysia :wub:

98-NV/2-25-72....F-4 for CANADA :wub:  :wub:

98-NW/4-12-72.....F-4 fighter for German Navy

98-NZ/2-28-72...F-4 Fighter for Taiwan :wub:  :wub:  :wub:

98-PB/USMC/10-10-72....USMC F-4J with an F-4E nose :)

Lots of cool posibilities here, eh?
Also....what's just as important......there's not a lot of specifics, and whatever a project initially looks like, we all know how things develop when in service.
Exciting times ahead. :party:  

Radish
The US Army one, how about the early Vietnam markings, i.e. semi-gloss green with prominent yellow markings. Now THAT would be cool.
PS, after a certain post on F-4SIG the other day, should I be encouraging you?
Oh why not, after all you're doing some real ones as well.

I had no problem with that F4 SIG post, other than that the chap is so highly focussed that he seems to need a humour transplant. His problem not mine.
I knew when I signed up for the "500 Phantom Build" that whatiffery was inappropriate, and I've been checking my decals....around 25 real-builds so far, plus some more decals in transit plus kit options of course.
My sources include the big Phantom book "Spirit in the Skies"(??) as well as several Osprey photo books, Squadron Signal, etc.. Got lots of photos to work from.
The sandy one looks nice....even better with a charcoal disruptive finish and Algerian markings? Can do that one.

I see the blue/grey IIRAF RF-4E on that decal sheet is illustrated on ACIG, so as I've a part-built RF-4E, then that'll be finished next.

Some more F-4s in transit too.

I reckon build 2 real F-4s for every one what if will keep the bounders at bay!

Should I add white diamonds to the spine of that All Blue 92 Sqn FGR2 and say it's from the Blue Diamonds Aerobatic Team?

QuoteShould I add white diamonds to the spine of that All Blue 92 Sqn FGR2 and say it's from the Blue Diamonds Aerobatic Team?

Now that sounds really cool to me. Is it 1/72nd?
Just about finished my F-4D from Niagra Falls, and I've started painting the F-4D from Lakenheath, which is going to have a Nuke on the centreline. It'll mean extra security at air displays (alright model displays). Does anyone have a couple of hundred fully armed 1/72nd scale US Marines they don't need.

QuoteI suppose the Royal Yorkshire air Force would have a special "EEEEEE" version. :lol:

DO IT!!!!  :lol:  

You're all bonkers!! :lol:  

QuoteI suppose the Royal Yorkshire air Force would have a special "EEEEEE" version.

Held together 'by gum'.  :P  

QuoteOn a different tack, how about a single engined toom? Perhaps swap out the two J-79's for a single J-93 - could use a 1/48 scale exhaust nozzle as IIRC the J-93 is just basically a bigger better J79?

Could be an emergency measure after the emergence of the MiG-25?

Hmm, how about adding the upgraded inlets from the G-D RF-4X version, complete with the saddle tanks for the charge cooling water injection.  Redo the back end, keeping the Phantom surfaces, but shaping the fuselage similar to that of the Demon.

No worries....creativity and imagination is the thing.

Got so many ideas myself.

The Fujimi 1/72nd British Phantoms seem so damned hard to get.
Might have to sort a Matchbox one for the "Blue Diamonds" f-4.....unless they're re-equipped with modifield F-4Ss (yes, the US built 2,500 "S" model Phantoms.....just so I can build plenty....as if!!)
I like the Italeri F-4S as it's so easy to build, I've a lot and more, you can be certain, will find their way to my home.
It looks OK too....mainly because I prefer the big radome on the B/C/D/J/N/S. :wub:
I've some REAL "S" versions to build (at least 8 already) and a growing list of whatiffery. I just hope I can get round to them :lol:  

QuoteNo worries....creativity and imagination is the thing.

Got so many ideas myself.

The Fujimi 1/72nd British Phantoms seem so damned hard to get.
Might have to sort a Matchbox one for the "Blue Diamonds" f-4

rad', i can help you out with a matchbox F4K/M if you can't get one otherwise.

YES PLEASE, mate!!
A Matchbox dude will fit the bill AND it gives me some extra spares (like the photo pod). :lol:

Can you bring it to Doncaster on the 23rd and we'll "sort something out"?
Cheers.

Sourced some more "S" kits. :wub:  

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QuoteI suppose the Royal Yorkshire air Force would have a special "EEEEEE" version. :lol:

DO IT!!!!  :lol:

I second that motion!  :D

I third it!!!

Except it isn't the 'Royal' Yorkshire Air Force, any self-respecting Tyke wouldn't have anything to do with that sorry set of southern softies that call themselves the Royal Family, she might be Queen of England but she'll only be Queen of Yorkshire if we say so!

It's 'Gods Own Yorkshire Air Force', and don't you forget it sun-beam, aye! :lol:  

Chris Ayre printed some rather nice Low-viz RYAF decals in 1/72nd....I'll see him tonight at the pub and see if I can scrounge some.

Also....sourced some more F-4S kits.... :D  :D  :D

If anyone has 1/72nd Phantoms to trade at Donaster or AVON, I'd be interested, but no Airfix, please!!
Italeri, Bilek, etc., Revell....I'm interested. :party:  :party:  :party:  :dum:  

Radish
This is a rubbish post so you can do the 100th post on this thread.
Everyone else give him a chance.

Cheers, Ted.

I've sourced my Royal Yorkshire AF markings courtesy of Chris Ayre, a good chap :bow:

Not done ANYTHING today as I didn't get home till 3am (out rocking, chatting, etc at the pub) and was up for 6am to make brekkers.
Had a bit of a snooze for an hour this pm that refreshed me.
sorted out some sale items  too......more later in the approprite thread.

I'll add u/c etc to a Phantom tonight though....just to "keep my hand in!!" :lol:  

in the interests of fairness shouldn't we have a few lancastrian AF 'tooms i wonder?  :D

hey they could be sponsored by boddingtons!  :wacko:

Lancastrians?
Buggar that!
Life's not fair and Richard III is the proof of that!
Yo. :lol:  

Of course, there's the interesting scenario of the RAF leasing F-4S versions due to the failure of the Tornado fighter to come up to scratch....and the FG1s and FGR2s had run out of hours.
So....F-4S (nice, by Italeri) in RAF markings, of which there's lots.
:lol:
The Red Arrows one is ready for spraying (tomorrow am) so that Thursday it can receive washes, etc. Weathering on Thursday night at IPMS Stafford's meeting.
Decals on Friday.
Next "up" is a REAL "S", a Black Bunny. :wub:  

QuoteLancastrians?
Buggar that!
Life's not fair and Richard III is the proof of that!

That wasn't Richard III it was Richard II alledgedly  :ph34r:

I only just found out that this build is for SMW 2008  :blink: May have to build that old Hasegawa E after all

Chris

The Red Arrows F-4S has now become a US ARMY attack aircraft.....i wasn't too "happy" with the build for a Red Arrows aircraft, and'll now do it again to the same scenario, but probably in flight mode and as a 2-seater.

Put together a couple of Italeri "S" models at Doncaster "SIG Meet" on Saturday.
Filler last night and a nice rub down this morning.

Other versions that need "developing" in plastic form are:

F-4I.....longer nosed "big radome" version?

F-4P......simpler version for South America, so there's the F-4P(Br) for Brazil, and the F-4P(Ar) for Argentina, etc, etc.....

F-4Q.....highly developed version with new engines, conformal tanks, extra-long nose and camera/elint capability.

F-4R.....re-delivered "S" for export use....including Finland, Croatia, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Serbia, etc.....

F-4U.....gorra be a deveopment for the USN and USMC, with an "X"-tail.

F-4V.....

F-4W.....A Phantom on floats, as used by the Naval Air Fighting Force (or NAFF) operating from British canals and rivers, oohhhhh....Dutch ones too.
Mississippi ANG??

F-4X...like the real one....shrouded in secrecy.

F-4Y.......

F-4Z....the Zwilling developments.

:wub:  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  

F-4X would likely be a fighter version with the advanced inlets and saddle tanks schemed by GD for the RF-4X.

Tell me, are you going to do one of McAir's F-4EJ-Kai proposals, the one with the new wing aerodynamically derived from the F-15's wing?  I've checked, the root chords are quite close so it could be done.  I'm thinking that'd have the blown windscreen, too, and a serious equipment update, including engines.

Sounds very interesting....noted the F-15 wing proposal and as you say, it's buildable :huh:  

Indeed; combine that with some of the avionics upgrades done anyway...  One other thought, since they're already making the F100 for the F-15, it wouldn't be much of a stretch for the Japanese to also get PW1120 production rights.

4 more Fujimi Phantoms on the way....

2 x C/Ds and 2 x Es(they'll make nice early ones and EJs as they are non-slatted)
The Extradecal USAF UK Pantoms sheet is fairly imminent...the artwork is available now, and it'll be a while before I can make what I want (two at least in that "pea green" variation!!)...gonna be fun :lol:  

Finished building the two F-4Ss that I did on Saturday at Doncaster.
Both will be VX-4 aircraft...Black and White Bunnies :wub:  

So far;

2 x F-4S painted grey, need u/c and weathering painting as well as detail painting, then decals REAL ones.
1 x F-4S with conformal tank, in desert colours, awaiting detail painting and decals.
2 x F-4S awaiting a gloss black/gloss white Bunny colours.
1 x Army single-seater...needs paint, probably wraparound grey/dark grey/black.

all built to the above stages.

I need to thoroughly tidy my room, clear space to progress.
I can build these buggars forever, but I need my room!! At the moment I'm inundated with bloody females....wife(good) daughter and grandaughter (OK...but they have a LOT OF STUFF!!! Also I still am a storage facility for younger daughter's stuff....which I'm happy to say is reducing.
I hope (if I'm left alone to get on with it!!) to have my room "back" by the end of the week.
Then.....happy days, FINISHING SOME F*CKING MODELS!!! :salute:  :salute:  :salute:  

Working on clearing my room for mass model finishing and as a haven from women, but in the meantime, built another F-4S which'll be a whatif? RAF example.

I'm really looking forward to PAINTING properly with a brush, weathering and decalling.

Not sure yet what finish the F-4S will be, but I really do fancy one heavily laden with funky gear, and I've lots available with all the A-7 hardware around!!

Next "real" F-4 build will probably be a Greek one....I just "lurve" the weathering!! :wub:  

QuoteWorking on clearing my room for mass model finishing and as a haven from women, but in the meantime, built another F-4S which'll be a whatif? RAF example.

no copying mr campion!  :D 85 and 141 sqns, RAF have already been wiffed
on the wiffy site.  :D  

Nah....we're looking at 2 Sqn, 43 Sqn, 111 Sqn, 92 Sqn, 56 Sqn, 112 Sqn etc :lol:

Variety of finishes too...NOT A SINGLE LIGHT GREY one amongst 'em, although a USMC-type low-viz scheme is highly likely.
Did I mention 16 Sqn, 32 Sqn, 54 Sqn???? :banghead:  :banghead:  

Rad, there's a lot of Luftwaffe F-4 experimental schemes on Don Color.  Some of them are different enough to make nice subjects, wether real or whiffed:

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Un-named blue disruption pattern over grey

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'Milchkuh' (Milk Cow) scheme

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'Polizeimuhle' (Police Car) scheme

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Un-named scheme with mixture of straight lines, curves & splotches

Brilliant, thanks.
That first scheme, the light grey and medium sea blue one.....I did that one a very long time ago, in 1/72nd too......I wonder if it's still upstairs in the loft.

The Germans have had some really great schemes, and by the time weathering, markings and the all-important Sidewinders are added, a great appearance!

Phantoms are a true "man's" aircraft.....much better "well-hung" :lol:

Gonna have to do a "flyer" too....fully loaded.

That Desert scheme with black undersurfaces is a definite.
The USAF operated some in Vietnam with gloss black undersurfaces...definitely another dimension!

I can also "see" one in traditional RAF Bomber command....all black, but with the plan-view upper surfaces in dark earth and green....the demarcation line being wavy too.
Dull red codes?

Let's all build a Phantom, guys...they're quick, easy and fun.
We could dedicate them to Wooksta :lol:  

Quote112 Sqn

Sharkmouth!  :wub:  

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Quote112 Sqn

Sharkmouth!  :wub:

and don't forget the 56 sqn 'toom as was at IAT one year with a sharksmouth either, nev! early 1980's i think and on a modeldecal sheet and in the fujimi FGR2
'toom kit [first issue boxing]

wonder if my P1121 F1 should get one?  :unsure: i have LOTS spare in the decal
stash!

Rad, carrying on the 'Milk Cow' scheme from the second pic I posted, how about a Phantom in black & white patches???

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Mooooo!

Choosing schemes from animals is a favourite of mine.

The pilot of the 56 Sqn FGR2 that had the sharkmouth on it took the idea direct from the Microscle sheet of VF-111's F-4B....he was a modeller you see.

My 112 Sqn F-4 will have a different sharkmouth and I haven't chosen the scheme yet either!

QuoteLet's all build a Phantom, guys...they're quick, easy and fun.
We could dedicate them to Wooksta :lol:

Presumably a "crashed and burnt" one?

Recently I heard about a Japanese alternate-universe novel, which IIRC is called "CVN Shinano"...... it's about Japan purchasing a nuclear powered carrier (which I think doesn't make sense since Japanese have a tendency of going ballistic over anything nuclear...... but anyways) from the US and equipping her with navalized F-4EJ and EW/Wild-Weasel F-4S (called EF-4S).

Someone was trying to build a model of the EF-4S (http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/raccoya/models/index.html) (the bottom pic shows the model in progress)......

Belters!!!!
EF-4S.....on the way!!
Japanese Navy (of course) but USMC too.
Wild Weasels.....can do some as I've the Italeri/Bilek kit which as the "G" option and I'm building mine as "E"s with slatted wings.
Cool.
Stunning.

QuoteEF-4S.....on the way!!
Japanese Navy (of course) but USMC too.

The author of that link appears to be simply modding F-4S to get the Wild Weasel bird.

Perhaps a line drawing of EF-4D (which I found to be scarce; the In Action book on F-4 doesn't have it, but is there one on Wild Weasel?) would help, but it'd probably be easier to combine the nose and cockpit section of F-4G with the rest of of F-4S......  I've never read the novel and therefore don't know the exact configuration.

I'm going with the F-4S format....big radome, but with an extra pod for the undernose probe, plus the underwing goodies in the F-4G kit.
Just to make it look different from the standard "long-nosed" G, I'm keeping the short-nosed look.
Also...apart from the Japanese one, I'm thinking USN and USMC and have the schemes/decals already sorted.
The Luftwaffe have some wonderful camouflage patterns which can be adapted.

Whooooooohooooooooooo :party:

Instead of Wild Weasel as a name, should an RAF one be called "Wild Wooksta!" :lol:  

One idea I've had, how about a 112 Sqdn (or 25 or 85) Toom with a Bloodhound Missile under it somewhere. The Squadrons were Bloodhound operators, so the toom and the missile could be in the same scheme.

What a sensible man you are, Ted.

Need a Bloodhound now....didn't Airfix re-release it a year or so ago? :cheers:  

Yep, I think the Bloodhound's still part of the catalouge.  Models For Sale has it in stock Rad.
http://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/advan...odhound&x=7&y=8 (http://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=bloodhound&x=7&y=8)

QuoteI'm going with the F-4S format....big radome, but with an extra pod for the undernose probe, plus the underwing goodies in the F-4G kit.
Just to make it look different from the standard "long-nosed" G, I'm keeping the short-nosed look.
Also...apart from the Japanese one, I'm thinking USN and USMC and have the schemes/decals already sorted.
The Luftwaffe have some wonderful camouflage patterns which can be adapted.

Instead of Wild Weasel as a name, should an RAF one be called "Wild Wooksta!" :lol:

Start with the undernose pod of a "B" or "C" and enlarge it to take the sensor from the front end of a "G" nose, though you might have to extend the fairing back over the nose landing gear doors, much as the "E" and "G" have their fairing extended.

Personally, since, prior to becoming a gunfighter, the "E" was supposed to be teh USAF equivalent of the "J", I've no problem with combining a standard "E" or "G" nose with the rest of an "S" airframe.  Hmm, that's a suggestion for cross-service feedback, an F-4J/S TSF (much as what we now call the F-4E was originally the F-4E TSF, TSF isgnifying "Tactical Strike Fighter") with a gun nose but USN or USMC markings.

What I'm thinking of for my EF-4S is extending the nose of the "S" kit by adding a couple of plastic card filler discs behind the seperate nose on the Italeri kit...this'll change the appearance a bit and I can fashion some nice extended proby things from sprue. Aerials, of course, from plastic card as well as some additions on the spine. I like that big bumpy hump seen on F-4G spines.....or is that just connected to the QF-4G programme?

Of course, a nice RAF drone in Red and yellow would be cool?

Also, my longer-nosed EF-4S would look nice in the German Wolkenmaus scheme.

And I've got some US Army decals (courtesy of me scouring my old SAM magazines) for my olive drab AF-4D+. Might do a fully laden one too (the first one is perhaps as displayed at an airshow after the Gulf war 1990) from 1973 in what Ted suggested, gloss olive drab and high viz markings!!

The room is nearly done....just need to clear/tidy my desk and bingo...."sounds" will leap forth from the twin speakers and painting will ensue.
About bloody time as well. :banghead:  

I've been working things out and there is no way to get 8.5 metres of Bloodhound Missile underneath a Phantom, so.... how about overwing pylons like on a Jag. To make it look right, it will have to be above and instead of the outer pylons, and there will have to be 2 of them.

QuoteAerials, of course, from plastic card as well as some additions on the spine. I like that big bumpy hump seen on F-4G spines.....or is that just connected to the QF-4G programme?

That's part of the drone conversion Rad.  But hey MFM right? ;)  I won't tell.

Yes, I was thinking the F-4 would need to be on stilts.....but I have a plan, of course!!
Instead of the Jaguar overwing fitting, why not have one nearer the centreline, like mounted on the fuselage?
One each side so as not to burn the fin off??
Or.....

Why not have one on the fuselage top and get rid of the single fin and have an X-tail Phantom....and I have a spare set of tailplanes too.

Mmmmmmmm :party:

gods, it'd look bloody impressive!!! :dum:

Great idea, Ted. :blink:  :bow:  :bow:  :bow:  :bow:  :bow:  

Damn that's a great idea.....bloody marvellous.

Two Bloodhounds need ordering :lol:

Can you imagine the weight? Blistering!!
Ye gods, wonderful....... :ph34r:  

Radish, with the weight problem, I reckon more powerful engines are needed, so..... how about 2 large podded engines strapped to the side of the fuselage, then maybe 4 Bloodhounds?

QuoteDamn that's a great idea.....bloody marvellous.

Two Bloodhounds need ordering :lol:

Can you imagine the weight? Blistering!!
Ye gods, wonderful....... :ph34r:

Wooooow! A bloodhound armed Phantom ?  :blink:  

too right.

Already ordered, and the F-4 is "in stock" as they say. :lol:  

Another idea is a "zero-launched" one with very big booster rockets and fuel tanks strapped somewhere, on a ramp....like a Space Shuttle but a Phantom?

Intergalactic Phantom? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  

QuoteAnother idea is a "zero-launched" one with very big booster rockets and fuel tanks strapped somewhere, on a ramp....like a Space Shuttle but a Phantom?

Intergalactic Phantom? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Yeahh, a ZEL F-4. Cool. Need the launch rail to go with it.
You're as bad as I am Radish.

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QuoteAnother idea is a "zero-launched" one with very big booster rockets and fuel tanks strapped somewhere, on a ramp....like a Space Shuttle but a Phantom?

Intergalactic Phantom? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Yeahh, a ZEL F-4. Cool. Need the launch rail to go with it.
You're as bad as I am Radish.

How about one B** F****** booster rocket in place of a centerline tank?  With the correct adjustment of the nozzle, it'd work without as much trouble as two boosters would be (getting the booster thrust line(s) through the combined air vehicle cg was a major concern with ZELL efforts and with other boosted-launch, ground-launched air-breathers such as the Snark which had a fairly detailed procedure for this).

Hey, just got an idea! I need another Phantom (mine had been changed onto a Blackburn P.141). As the only Phantom left at the shop is a German one, why not a Hartmann flashy livery (or was it Graff ?) ?  :wub:  

Strictly speaking, the black triangled nose decoration was Hartman's, the red ones were Grafs.....so why not green ones, or yellow?
Why not The Black Spades of JG53 resurrected, or a Ghost Squadron would be appropriate.

The Phantom with the BIG BOOSTERS will be in the VTOL display, of course.

But let's remember, guys, I've gotta built real ones too :salute:  

The VTOL Zero-Launch  Phantom is, of course, virtually built....just needs the fiddly bits added...u/c doors (closed of course), stores (full) and aerials.
Scheme.....RAF, of course!!!

After that?
The Bloodhound one naturally.
A VX-30 Bloodhound unit is too obvious amd inappropriate for the Bloodhound missile anyway....so again, a RAF one, but X-tail and lots of scorching on the spine.

Rock n' roll babies :banghead:  

Buggar, buggar, buggar...

You know what I'm going to have to do?

Create a spreadsheet of F-4 builds....real aircraft and whatifs.

This is terribly organised, I know, and smacks of the John Howling Mouse organisational flair, but it's really the only way I can believe I can keep track.

I've already got a Phantoms Only spares box....lots of bombs, etc., and the same goes for a growing box of decals....everything from kit/commercial F-4/what'll go on whatifs....and the whole thing is taking off with a BIG WHOOOOOOOSH :lol:

I must admit.....I've not enjoyed modelling as much for a long time.
Fun....a combination of reality and imagination.

And in 1/72nd....manageable.

Received 4 more "S" kits today and there's 2 more E/G kits coming. :thumbsup:  

Got the 2 x 1/72nd "E/G" kits  :wub:

Oh, and the Bloodhound :wub: arrived :wub: , together with the simply HUGE 1/144th Shuttle....Revell with lovely boosters/fuel tank and base!! Oh joy!!
In fact, I can add the RAF figures and Land Rover (Bloodhound kit) to the base.
Gods, this VTOL RAF Phantom is going to look bloody impressive.

The Phantom (almost built now) of 19 Sqn based in Germany (hence the VTOL option) will be interestingly coloured, as will the boosters and fuel tank...after all, it'll be hidden in trees! :lol:

I must mention my suppliers.....Models For Sale....great website in as much as they tell you exactly how many models are in stock, they offer discounts to regular customers AND supply quickly...in the case of the Blood Hound and shuttle kits, by return of post. Fantastic service!! Well packed too. :bow:  

QuoteStrictly speaking, the black triangled nose decoration was Hartman's, the red ones were Grafs.....so why not green ones, or yellow?
Why not The Black Spades of JG53 resurrected, or a Ghost Squadron would be appropriate.

The Phantom with the BIG BOOSTERS will be in the VTOL display, of course.

But let's remember, guys, I've gotta built real ones too :salute:

Thanks for the tip, and cool idea! Well, could also make alternate black and red triangles, this would be Erich Graffmann aircraft...   :wacko:  

Remember that Graf lived in East Germany and Hartmann was in the West German AF....they had widely differing political views.

Done the "big list"....actually cut it down somewhat to around 45 models over 2 years.
Sounds a lot, but Ted "Rhino" Bayliss knocks Hasegawa 1/72nd kits after 3 days...see his builds on IPMS(UK)Forum....and I'm starting Number 9 today. I've also scheduled the build to last another 15 months so bags of time to finish other stuff too, including lots of A-7s, Kfirs, Mirages, etc..

But at the moment, concentrating on the EF-4S of the JASDF :lol:  

Well the VTOL one is sprayed up in Black Primer ready for its dark Forest Camouflage.
The camo will, of course, be on the boosters and big bostin' fuel tank. I'm starting that Monday, as tomorrow it's the joys of Rocky Horror and Sunday is returning home and a rest before headbanging at the pub.
Lots of North German colours.

Squadron....19 or 92 of course.
:wub:  

I've had a bit of time, and been able to rub down the filler, seams etc., on the F-4E build that'll be Greek one in Aegean Blue camo (REAL), and also added a section to the EF-4S -Kai nose (and the nose too) so that just needs overnight drying, then some filler.
U/C on both these on Monday, along with the other twiddly bits.

The EF-4S-Kai (hence the extended nose) will be suitable for carrier operations in a multi-blue/grey colour scheme with nice Japanese markings. :wub:  

Rubbed down the nose on the EF-4S....it's a killer!!

Looking at the profile, it reminds me of the RF-4X with that big camera nose....

which leads me towards building another AS a photo one:

RAF?
Chinese? for photographing the mainland?
Chile? For photographing Argentina?

One of the above, or all three? :lol:

The F-4E has also had a good rub down, and the tiddly bits will be done tomorrow too, along with painting some F-4s models. :wub:  

Any chance we might see some pics, Radish? I'd love to see how your fleet of Phantoms turned out.

Brian da Basher

Good grief!!  Reading this thread, and realizing Radish is apparently going to build 500 Phantoms on his own, it's like a thread about my own insanity  :wacko:  

I agree with Brian...  the peanut gallery demands pics!

:cheers:  :cheers:  

QuoteRubbed down the nose on the EF-4S....it's a killer!!

Looking at the profile, it reminds me of the RF-4X with that big camera nose....

which leads me towards building another AS a photo one:

RAF?
Chinese? for photographing the mainland?
Chile? For photographing Argentina?

One of the above, or all three? :lol:

The F-4E has also had a good rub down, and the tiddly bits will be done tomorrow too, along with painting some F-4s models. :wub:

Chinese to replace their RF-100As.

Chinese would be good.

No Anthony, I'm not building 500 Phantoms (am I???)....just seems like it to my wife!
The 2008 Display is called "500 Phantoms" and I'm just contributing.
The idea is to have a Phantom for every 10 produced, a sort of "scale representation". Also, although the SIG under the guidance of Ted"Rhino" Bayliss is happy to display whatiffery, and by his contributions on here encourages the fun, the "500 Phantoms" display is for real ones.
That's why the majority of my builds are real, but lots, oh lots, aren't!! :wub:  

Chinese as in PLAAF to help defend against "The Evil Empire" in the late 80s'? Well they wanted Mirage 2Ks harriers and Varks/Tonkas (and they did promise not to use them on us as well :banghead: ) so why not throw in some Rhinos??????

hmm, i was thinking about a FAA RF-4E could i update her by having a modern
catapult hookup rather than a bridle/strop launch, and say fit the nosewheel leg
from a F-18 or F-14 kit?  :unsure:  :D

over to you guys.

HoE

I'd "go" for extending the nose on an "S" and then make the big radome into one of those revolving camera noses used by the Israelis.
Certainly adds a new dimension to the term, "going for a spin" :lol:

Sky/Grey?
Standard colours?....BORING!!!
Light grey?
USN colours?? :ar:  

:wub: :huh:  i'll take that rad' as a yes i can then.   ;) :D  

QuoteChinese would be good.

No Anthony, I'm not building 500 Phantoms (am I???)....just seems like it to my wife!
The 2008 Display is called "500 Phantoms" and I'm just contributing.
The idea is to have a Phantom for every 10 produced, a sort of "scale representation". Also, although the SIG under the guidance of Ted"Rhino" Bayliss is happy to display whatiffery, and by his contributions on here encourages the fun, the "500 Phantoms" display is for real ones.
That's why the majority of my builds are real, but lots, oh lots, aren't!! :wub:

Yeah, I gathered that from the early descriptions in the thread, you just seem to be doing a fair amount of the GB yourself  :lol:

Looking forward to seeing pics!

I've bought Revell F-4F (not the wildcat!) this afternoon. No German markings on it, rather french one (how surprising...). Not AdA, not Aeronavale, rather CEV. WTF is CEV ? the Centre d'Essais en Vol,, Flight Test Center if you prefer.

They had Vautours bombers, on which they grafted Mirage noses, radars, AAMs and others goodies.  Some cool NMF finnish plus High-viz markings  :wub:  

AND according to an article I've found somewhere in the web, when the Vautour reached the end of their useful lives in the late 70's, the CEV wanted some second-hand Phantoms to replace them...

Even better, I still have some Atar-9 exhausts left by a Mirage IV... I think the Aussies thought about an Atar-powered Phantom in the 60's...
Just like the Mirage IIIO (first prototype) which had an Avon turbojets, because Aussies F-86s already had it...  

In fact it could be an Aussie Phantom having Atars and build by a public firm, then australia bought stock Phantoms, the lone Atar Phantom was transfered to the CEV were it proved very useful until today... aye, too much cafein today!

Tons of ideas  :wub:

Found again the article. Cool website named "des hommes et des ailes" (men and wings).
Their text come from old Air&Cosmos of the late 70's
http://pdennez.free.fr/AVIONS/html/av425.html (http://pdennez.free.fr/AVIONS/html/av425.html)

According to this paragraph

QuoteLe problème du remplacement des «Vautour» d'essais se pose aujourd'hui au C.E.V., et la solution pourrait être fournie par l'acquisition de quelques « Phantom » .

"The CEV has to to replace its Vautour testbeds, and the solution could be buying some Phantoms "  :tornado:

pics of CEV Vautour testbeds (from airliners.net)

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:cheers:  

5 more 1/72nd Italeri F-4S appeared today :lol:
All to be whiffed too.

I love the French idea....they had pretty cool Meteors too.

Phishnet Phantom....I like it!! :lol:  :lol:  

Or, talking about 'Phisnet', you could use that to do a snakeskin pattern.  Spray a dark colour onto your model , then cover in a fine fishnet stocking or nylon tulle.  Spray your base colour & you have a snakesin pattern, or even a fishnet stocking pattern for another Rocky Horror build!

You've obviously thought this really in detail, Mossie!!!

Meanwhile, added the u/c to an E and an ES-Kai....both now ready for grey primer.

The E to be Aegean Blue camo Greek...

the ES-Kai to be Japanese of course!!

I'd often wondered how to do a snakeskin pattern without taking forever painting each scale, thinking it just wasn't possible.  Then I saw one of these American Chopper programs on Discovery, the painter wanted a snakeskin effect & simply slipped a fishnet stocking over the tank.  Went on easily & conformed beautifully.  I'd thought about stockings a lot in the past, but never for painting..... :D

I've thought of a lot of modelling uses for tulle & fabric over the years, although I've never actually used one!  The reason is I used to work for a company that made medical dressings & we used to be up to our armpits in textiles.  I'd see all sorts of weave patterns & sizes that might come in handy.  Some ideas:

Figure painting, produce a fabric effect by dabbing the areas with a piece of scrunched up tulle onto the paint while it's partially dry.
Armour, reproduce grilles by starching fabric or spraying with hair lacquer (don't know how the latter would take paint, should be okay though), or maybe varnish or cellulose dope depending on the fabric.  You could do the same with grip patterned floors, steps, etc.
Digital camo, cut out & mask the shape you want (you could use liquid masks for this), stick the tulle to the model with a light coating of prit-stick or similar & paint away. Repeat for extra colours.
Dioramas, for fencing, chickenwire & such.  You can also add it to plaster, latex etc for extra strength or texture when moddelling scenery.

I've probably thought of others over the year but forgotten them since!  There's all sorts of patterns & sizes out there that could be useful, have a look in craft & textile shops, see what you can find.  I'll pop this in the hints & tips section.

Found two Atar 9 exhausts, got some spare Super-530 AAM (left by the Mirage 2000 changed into a GD 200)  :party:
I've already imagined the backstory...  

Good man.
I've a stack of whatiffery that's new, including F-4s in various schemes/configurations, that will appear at the SIG display at Doncaster on the 12th August, as well as being available for the 19th at AVON, where the F-4SIG will get there's too. :party:  

Radish, this is probably a silly question, but have you considered doing a Phantom with the radar and gun nose of a F-18, the cockpit displays of the same, and the F-19's engines?  'Twould still be a St. Louis product, but something of an intermediate step.

:P Now there's an idea!!

QuoteI think the Aussies thought about an Atar-powered Phantom in the 60's...
Just like the Mirage IIIO (first prototype) which had an Avon turbojets, because Aussies F-86s already had it...

Hmm - an Australian ATAR Phantom - first I've heard about that one.

Regards,

Greg

I'm not too "up" with these matters, but surely the AVON wasn't powerful enough?
Why not THREE of them though....like a Trident arrangement? :P  

Actually, the early J79s weren't that much more powerful than contemporary Avons or ATARs but they had lots more growth potential and were more compact to begin with.  I could see a one-off version of a F-4A or F-4B with ATARs or Avons instead of J79s.  After all, most of the way through the design process, what became the Phantom II used two J65s, the US-built version of the Sapphire.

Joe Baugher mention the thing - McAir dubbed it "Model 98DX" (or something like that).
I've made some tries and its seems that Atar exhausts fit well to the Phantom fuselage, hurray!!!
Considering the timeline, variant of the Atar would have the 9K31 of the Mirage IV, giving 6800 kg of thrust (and interesting conection with Aussies Mirage IVs instead of F-111s  B) )
Well the Atar was a BMW-003 pushed to its extreme limits while the J-79 was a brand-new product, so it's no surprise the two had not the same growth potential...

QuoteI've made some tries and its seems that Atar exhausts fit well to the Phantom fuselage, hurray!!!

But Atar 09 was more than 600 mm longer than J79. :huh:  

Quote

QuoteI've made some tries and its seems that Atar exhausts fit well to the Phantom fuselage, hurray!!!

But Atar 09 was more than 600 mm longer than J79. :huh:

Whatif world  :rolleyes:  

Quote

QuoteI've made some tries and its seems that Atar exhausts fit well to the Phantom fuselage, hurray!!!

But Atar 09 was more than 600 mm longer than J79. :huh:

Which would likely push the forward face of the engine that much father forward.  There'd be some fuselage redesign, which would mitigate against a production version, but a "one-off" to test the concept wouldn't be that implausible (no worse, really, than the J79-powered F-101 testbed).  Interesting that both the Atar and the J79 have German connections (the chief designer of the J79 was a German engineer who'd left Germany in '38 or so, wound up as a mechanic for the AVG, and ended up becoming a naturalized US citizen - his autobiography is a fascinating read).

Quotea "one-off" to test the concept wouldn't be that implausible

That's the idea in fact - Australia want an Atar-powered Phantom, a prototype is build, is found to be underpowered, too costly. and finally rejected.
The lone machine end in CEV fleet in the mid-60's.  
15 years later three ex-USAF J-79 machines  join the CEV fleet, too.    :cheers:  :party:

In fact the CEV fleet included (AFAIK)
- Meteors
- Canberras
- Mirage IIIB/C
- Vautours.

Here's a pic I like very much, a CEV Mirage IIIB  :wub:
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By an odd coincidence, french magazine Air Fan has a good article about CEV Mirage 2000s this month... 8 of them, one of them having a... Rafale nose and IRST.
Guess what aircraft were considered 15 years ago when Rafale development started ?  Mirage IV and...






...













PHANTOM !!!!

QuoteBy an odd coincidence, french magazine Air Fan has a good article about CEV Mirage 2000s this month... 8 of them, one of them having a... Rafale nose and IRST.
Guess what aircraft were considered 15 years ago when Rafale development started ?  Mirage IV and...
PHANTOM !!!!

You know I love Phantom, but I think that 15 years ago it was already old. I remember to read something abut F-15E for AdA. Have you read something on this possibility?

Quote

QuoteBy an odd coincidence, french magazine Air Fan has a good article about CEV Mirage 2000s this month... 8 of them, one of them having a... Rafale nose and IRST.
Guess what aircraft were considered 15 years ago when Rafale development started ?  Mirage IV and...
PHANTOM !!!!

You know I love Phantom, but I think that 15 years ago it was already old. I remember to read something abut F-15E for AdA. Have you read something on this possibility?

I think they wanted a Phantom or a Mirage IV just because of room and twin-engine layout -before discovering that a good old Mirage 2000 could do the job as well

F-15E for AdA ? kill, drawn or burn Dassault first, then it would be possible...
More seriously, it seems that the AdA considered the F-15 (along Tornado) as a backup for the Mirage ACF in 1975. The service ended with the Mirage 2000, and much later the Rafale...  

Never heard of F-15E for the AdA...

QuoteF-15E for AdA ? kill, drawn or burn Dassault first, then it would be possible...
More seriously, it seems that the AdA considered the F-15 (along Tornado) as a backup for the Mirage ACF in 1975. The service ended with the Mirage 2000, and much later the Rafale...  

Never heard of F-15E for the AdA...

I don't know about the F-15E for the AdA, but I've seen pics of one of the F-15 prototypes in French markings for demonstration to a party form AdA.

Yeap - Edwards AFB, April 1976. This was just after ACF cancellation I've mentioned earlier.
The AdA wanted a heavy fighter since the mid-50's but had to wait 50 years for that, until the Rafale entered service, in may 2006... the quest was a long haul, to say the least.   :rolleyes:  
For 50 years, a bunch of machines were considered, still without results (for political and financial reasons).
The Rafale represent a major breaktrough for the AdA which since 50 years always has short-range, single-engine interceptors...

So, any date for this group build ? I suppose that, with so much GB on track now, we'll have to wait some months...  :rolleyes:  
 

Radish,

Here's a challenge for you - the ultimate Phantom version - the RBCF-4XYZ:

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Regards,

Greg

Ye jest :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  

Next week is PHANTOM week :lol:

Lots to finish!!! Ready for the Avon Show at Yate :rolleyes:  

OK...two real F-4S awaiting decals tomorrow.

Tonight I have 6 F-4S versions to paint....some have been twiddled with.
One is SAND PRIMER all over.
5 are GREY PRIMER all over.

The aim is to paint all of them in variations of some of the German experimental schemes, and whatever else I fancy.

Then I'll fit decals to the scheme AFTERWARDS :lol:

Should be fun :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:

Two have had their u/c done just....just need tidying up a bit...easy, and some detail painting.
Then I'll "do" the seats, and it'll be straight onto the camo.
Painting 2 at a time.
Remember, wifey's away and daughter is out, so no stop on a through-the-nighter!
Also, I promised the Morning Team at where I used to work a cake around 8am.

The timetable is therefore modelling from now until later, then a late-evening/early morning shower, some shopping (I need to get eggs and jam...got everything else), some baking, some modelling, a cake delivery, and then some kip :blink:

We'll see, eh?

Decals tomorrow...probably tomorrow night!! :cheers:  

Bollocks to that plan.

The white u/c on a sand one and a grey one are done, the camouflage (a version, inspired by the Luftwaffe) is done on both....

SAND, tan, Midnight blue disruptive...

and....

GREY, blue-grey, and black disruptive.

The other 4 GREY ones have received a heavy grey wash, that's now drying.
Some repainting in medium grey, then crayon, then repainting and "voila" (I hope) a USN-type low-viz scheme.

Then....paint metal areas.

Then, paint wheels, exhausts.
Tomorrow....spray missiles white.

The decals are sorted and selected.

Sandy/tan/midnight blue....Iraq....this has a huge conformal underfuselage tank :wacko:

Grey/blue-grey/black......Dutch single-seater

the other four usn-type low-viz greys are:

EF-4S....JAPAN

F-4S.....ARGENTINA

F-4S......FRANCE

F-4S......Yugoslavia

he, he, he, he :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  

Gods I'm knackered!!

Good fun though.

NEXT TIME I shall build ONE, finish it BEFORE starting another!!
There's models and decals EVERYWHERE!!! :lol:  

QuoteOne small word Radish....

PICTURES!!!![/font]

:cheers:

O.K.

Whatever Radish brings to Yate, I'll photograph and post them.

What a gentleman :cheers:

The "original" 6 real ones are now 2 real ones and 6 what if ones....."might" get another one done, but it'll not be finished.
No....not "Finnish" but Polish. :lol:  

Finally got myself organised, chaps....

a word of advice, NEVER decal 8 aircraft at once....

the tally is now:

F-4S....as a single-seater, grey, black, blue/grey camouflage..... Dutch
F-4S.....sand, brown, midnight blue...Chinese Nationalist
F-4S...grey....Argentine Navy
F-4S...grey....French Navy
F-4S....grey.....Yugoslavia
F-4S...grey...Indian
F-4S.....grey....Saudi Arabia
EF-4S...Danish

There were to be two REAL ones, but I need more time for them, and will do them ONE AT A TIME!!! :lol:

I just hope no decals silver!!
Transparancies and wheels tomorrow.
Then....DONE!! :drink:  

Hey dudes...200 posts in this topic!!

I'm already planning more "daft ones" although real ones should be built too of course.

There's the 19 Sqn one with the big Booster Rockets...the F-4 is done, just awaiting the inclination for the boosters, etc....

Austrian
Swiss
Italian
Belgian
Norwegian
Swedish
Ausie Navy
RNZAF

more RAF of course :lol:  

Well my loves, the good news is none of the decals appear to have silvered, so we're OK.

BUT....the cat crapped in the unility.....locked in over night, silly me, so having cleaned that up I don't feel an awful lot like modelling. Having cleaned and sprayed every known chemical, opened windows, etc., it still whiffs as if a gorilla has farted, so I'm going out!

I'll have less time to complete, so will choose two to finish and bring along.

I've chosen the ARGENTINE NAVY one and the EF-4S from Denmark.
If I can, I'll finish the French one too, but I'd rather be certain of finishing at least TWO Phantoms!!

An essential note:

100% Gorilla Fart= 25% Narses Fart.....but remember, it's all in an enclosed space so pretty "biological", right!! :ill:  

QuoteFinally got myself organised, chaps....

a word of advice, NEVER decal 8 aircraft at once....

ONLY 8?  Feh, that's nothing  :lol:

Looking forward to seeing pics of these, Radish!  

:cheers:  :cheers:  

I took the Argentine Navy and Danish F-4s along and Ted took their piccies.....

he suggested an F-4F in the scheme I used on both F-4s taken..

I presume Ted"Rhino"  meant the F-4F-"Ice" updated version?

Thinking...other versions of the F-4F are.....

"Dice"...twin fluffy ones in the WSO's back seat :lol:
"Mice"..twin aerial humps at the top of the centre windscreen...makes it look mouse-like from the front :lol:
"Nice"...highly decorated one
"Rice"....built/modified by Messerschmiitt for Thai use (defending the paddy fields) :lol:
"Weiss"....designed by Dr. Von Scott "Seig Heil", of Rocky Horror fame for Janet"Slut" Weiss and her fiance Brad "Arsehole"Majors....this is black-ish, and apart from Rocky Horror logos, at one time wore the slogan "Dammit Janet!" :lol:
"Vice"...operating over Hamburg with lots of "red lights" :lol:
Zeiss.....modified by Messerschmitt for Swiss photographic use :lol:

So there! :banghead:  

How about a Swiss AF version, armed with cuckoo clocks as the LR weapon, and for close in defence, Toblerone bars.

Inspired :lol:  :bow:  

Yeah Radish, but if you do it, no weathering, and it'll have to be finished on time :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  

:thumbsup:  :banghead:  :banghead:  

As promised, here are the 2 Phantoms Radish brought to Yate,which were proudly displayed on the F-4 Phantom SIG table. In addition, I have put them onto the what if page of my web site.

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First is the Argentinian Navy F-4S. Incidentally, Radish, I have put a story on the web site, if you don't like it, give me an alternative, and I will change it.

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Next is the Danish EF-4S, with an extended nose, and antenna everywhere.

Thanks, Ted.
See chaps....I build models eventually!!

You're welcome Radish, though with your other tendencies (Roacky Horror show) I wasn't sure whether to shake your hand or run away screaming :P
Seriously, it was good to finally meet you. :cheers:  :cheers:  

It seems like I may have to get involved with the lunacy. the Wallace and Gromit bunch over on the IPMS site has suggested a W & G Phantom ala Top Gun. Now, how about a nice big F-4 with Mavace and Gromrio pulling G's with some evil enemy in a T-38, oops sorry MiG 28.

Luckily, I don't "do" 1/32nd, not even for Phantoms!
Those W&G people are just plain bonkers. :banghead:

The next F-4 to spray is a REAL (everyone falls down!) F-4E of the Greek AF, in that Aegean Blue scheme. Got a whole lot of photos, etc., to select a number from.
I won't be spraying until the weekend, though. Too many jobs as her indoors is "back". :wacko:  

Holy thread revival, Batman!!!

as i was browsing through the stash today, i realised i have a 1/72 F-4 in the stash, without decals  ;D
and as i remembered last GB poll, i knew ther was a thread for a phamtoms GB.

so i think if this GB ever gets off the ground, count me in with a Belgian Phantom  :mellow:

i think the F-4 has endless whiff possibilities  :rolleyes:

BUMP  :blink:

i was thinking of a Phabulous Phantom GB, and then i remembered, there already was a proposal for one  :banghead:

I have a few of course, wouldn't mind building one for this  :thumbsup:

Please merge this to McCoolness GB :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Still not finished some of these...decalled......done....must get on with them. Doh!!! :banghead:

So, need help getting to 500?  I've got about a dozen I can contribute.

Well, the display has long since been and gone (and mighty impressive it was too!)

We could still do our own GB! Phantoms of all colors!

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Phantoms everywhere!

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Phantoms rock hard in so many ways.  I'm sure I can contribute at least 31 in the stash, plus another 10-15 already built.