According to the (most trustworthy) Wikipedia, the An-72 is a contender for the Joint Cargo Aircraft, license built by Boeing......
Unlikely to win, but would be cool anyway B) The Eastern Express kit in my LHS is calling to me....
QuoteAccording to the (most trustworthy) Wikipedia, the An-72 is a contender for the Joint Cargo Aircraft, license built by Boeing......
Unlikely to win, but would be cool anyway B) The Eastern Express kit in my LHS is calling to me....
Go for her... It is love.
Yup, true. Lockheed, Boeing and Antonov are proposing this for the USAF light weight cargo aricraft competiotion. Airframe will be built in russia (with revised wings control surfaces etc.), transported to the US where US engines and cokcpit will be fitted. Aircraft will also be completely built in the US.
somebody post a pic of the 72 !
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1187...next_id=1185524 (http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1187517&WxsIERv=Nagbabi%20Na-74&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq%20%28Fireqybifx%202aq%20Nve%20Ragrecevfr%29&QtODMg=Mhevpu%20%28-%20Xybgra%29%20%28MEU%20%2F%20YFMU%29&ERDLTkt=Fjvgmreynaq&ktODMp=Abirzore%204%2C%202005&BP=1&WNEb25u=Cnhy%20J%20Sheznafxv&xsIERvdWdsY=EN-74048&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=1223&NEb25uZWxs=2007-03-13%2006%3A48%3A18&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=36547098943&static=yes&width=1024&height=695&sok=JURER%20%20%28nvepensg_trarevp%20%3D%20%27Nagbabi%20Na-72%2F74%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=3&prev_id=1188931&next_id=1185524)
Sorry, that was a AN-74, this is a -72
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1185...next_id=1185042 (http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1185524&WxsIERv=Nagbabi%20Na-72&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Hxenvar%20-%20Nve%20Sbepr&QtODMg=Snvesbeq%20%28SSQ%20%2F%20RTIN%29&ERDLTkt=HX%20-%20Ratynaq&ktODMp=Whyl%201998&BP=0&WNEb25u=Zvpunry%20W%20Serre&xsIERvdWdsY=02&MgTUQtODMgKE=Bs%20gur%20Erfrnepu%20Vafgvghgr%20nccrnevat%20ng%20EVNG%2098.&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=1097&NEb25uZWxs=2007-03-07%2019%3A09%3A51&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=&static=yes&width=1024&height=690&sok=JURER%20%20%28nvepensg_trarevp%20%3D%20%27Nagbabi%20Na-72%2F74%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=4&prev_id=1187517&next_id=1185042)
This would be Boeing YC-14 revenge !!! :lol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_YC-14 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_YC-14)
QuoteThe Eastern Express kit in my LHS is calling to me....
Hope you like sanding and have plenty of filler Nev ;) :unsure: :(
Old news - but I believe Boeing was only considering offering an Antonov, but eventually decided not to.
Regards,
Greg
I think it was the An-77 (or whatever that b***h is w/t 16 bladed contraprops) that Antonov and Boeing were halving on. LM has the C-27 Spartan (did half the C-130J but it was too big), and then there's the EADS CN-295 (or was it the 495? Whatever one that the USCG just picked up for Deepwater.)
God I hate it when my thinker's all F up!
Shas B)
It certainly wasn't the An-70 - that's bigger than the C-130!
Regards,
Greg
The 1/288 scale Eastern Express AN-72, while tiny, is a very nicely done model. The 1/72 scale version looks great, but it it fairly big.
I made a resin copies of one of the 1/288 kit's engines and modified and duplicated the copy for my 1/350 scaleUSAF cargo plane (http://149.142.139.138/web/Images/USAFCargo/CargoA.JPG).
Frank
Yeah, I call bull-s#!+ on this one. Nowhere on Janes.com, Aviation Week's website, nor Defensenews does JCA/FCA, and AN-72 show up in the same document. Same with "Boeing" and "AN-72," or any of the other combinations I tried to find out more info.
Add to that the fact that when the RFP went out for the JCA, only the C-130J, C-27J and CN-235 were put forth for the contest, with the C-130J being dropped rather quickly.
Sounds to me like a Flight International flight of fancy to me, perpetuated by airliners.net's forum (which are the only two places on the web besides wikipedia that I found mentions of this perfect for What-if project).
Wait, just read the Flight International article... yep, rumor and speculation. Boeing isn't even in the JCA competition as a partner to anyone.
Most likely either withdrew or got cut early on, reason I sasy that is 'cuz I remember about a year ago or so that Boeing and Antonov were cookin somthin up for the Army.
Shas B)
More likely not even pursued beyond the feasibility stage. Like I said, Boeing never even sent a submission in after the RFP was sent out by the Pentagon.
ISTR that this did get a short mention in Janes Defence Weekly as well, suggesting that there might have been something in the story, even if it was only a garbled report of a brainstorming session at Boeing.
If you were a major aircraft manufacturer without a suitable aircraft to offer in a large competition, you'd want to sit down and look at partnership options with non-US firms. An-72 would be a possible contender given its capabilities, but I'd guess that unless the aircraft and all parts were manufactured in the US (guaranteeing supply, etc) then the option would be discarded fairly smartly.
In the end (at least according to Boeing's own news releases in July 2006) they teamed up with Alenia and L3 to offer the C-27J (see following pdf from the consortium - clicky (http://www.c-27j.com/images/media/44_20060616014728.pdf))
Hmmm, linky no worky, which is weird, considering I checked it out earlier today.
Even more odd since I clicked it and read the thing before posting (and can't get it to function now)!
The HTML version still works, though via a google of Joint Cargo Aircraft GMAS - relevant bit for those who've not seen it is:
QuoteC-27J JCA TEAM SUBMITS JOINT CARGO AIRCRAFT PROPOSAL
Washington, D.C., June 7, 2006 – Alenia North America announced today that the C-27J JCA Team of L-3 Communications Integrated Systems (L-3 IS), a subsidiary of L-3 Communications (NYSE: LLL), Alenia North America, Inc. (a Finmeccanica company), Boeing Integrated Defense Systems (NYSE: BA), and Global Military Aircraft Systems (GMAS) personally delivered its proposal for the C-27J as the best value solution for the Joint Cargo Aircraft (JCA) program. L-3 IS is prime contractor for the JCA program.
QuoteYeah, I call bull-s#!+ on this one.
But it was on Wikipedia! ;) :P
Like you say though, perfect for whiff, even if it would be painted in lo-vis gray <_<
QuoteQuoteYeah, I call bull-s#!+ on this one.
But it was on Wikipedia! ;) :P
Like you say though, perfect for whiff, even if it would be painted in lo-vis gray <_<
Precisely why I called BS :lol:
Wikipedia, where they replaced the words "factual" and "researched." With what they replaced them with, draw your own conclusions.
And low-vis grey ROCKS!!! Light ghost, dark ghost, dark gull, flat gull, gunship... I could go on and on and on and on... B)
One of my LHS's has an Eastern Express An-72 (or something close and/or approximating it). I might pick it up and redo it as a JCA just for kicks.
Totally off subject, another one of my LHS's bit the big one in the last month. Rider's of Madison Heights is no more (I was just there a month and a half ago, and there was no talk of closing!).
EDIT: Ah, now I see how Boeing's involved in the JCA. They joined the third party company (GMAS) to market the C-27J, with possible assembly responsibilities for themselves at Long Beach. Interesting thing is the Boeing site has something about Boeing not competing in the FCA project with preceded the JCA, even though the front runners for that competition are the same as the JCA.