I just bought some of Dragon's new kits, and I'm impressed. They look very nice, on par with Revell's recent 144 offerings. And they have some of the best weapons I've seen in 144.
The boxes contain two complete kits each.
F-117: the best of the bunch. There are decals for a normal version, and one with a US flag covering the entire underside. The shape is much more accurate than the Revell kit. One odd thing is that the cockpit tub contains a pilot, but he seems to be missing his head.
The kit contains AGM-154 JSOW, GBU-10 and GBU-12 (Paveway), GBU-29 (JDAM), CBU-87, some sort of designator pod and Sidewinders. There's also something that looks like a crude Paveway.
Su-35 and Su-37
According to the experts, this is Dragon's old Flanker kit with some new bits. Its shape is good, but it's underscale.
Still looks better than the old Revell kit, though.
Weapons included are the R-27, R-73 and Kh-29, nice-looking weapons even if the R-27 isn't entirely accurate (the front fins are rectangular instead of trapezoidal). Decals aren't spectacular, but much better than the Russian decals I've seen in Revell or Trumpeter kits.
Tornado F-3
Nice moulding, the surface patterns look similar to Dragon's older Tornado kits, but are much crisper. They've only moulded two recesses for Skyflash, though.
Decals are nice, with one normal aircraft and one with flashy paintjob. Weapons are a bit weird, with only two Skyflash and 6 Sidewinder (with pylons for only 4 Sidewinder). The two Hindenburg tanks are nice (haven't seen those in other 144 Tornadoes).
There's also an F-14D kit (which I didn't buy).
QuoteF-117: One odd thing is that the cockpit tub contains a pilot, but he seems to be missing his head.
Well, they still want to keep some of the pilot's identities a secret. ;)
QuoteF-117:
The kit contains AGM-154 JSOW, GBU-10 and GBU-12 (Paveway), GBU-29 (JDAM), CBU-87, some sort of designator pod and Sidewinders.
Sidewinders on F117?!?
The Sidewinders (and most of the weapons in the list) are on a separate sprue, and are marked 'not used' on the instruction sheet. Presumably, this sprue can be added to other models as well.
I have read that Dragon will release these new 1/48 scale kits:
Focke-Wulf Ta 152C
Heinkel He 162D
Focke-Wulf Ta 154 Mistel
Great what-if potential there! :D
Matrixone
You know I'll have to look all of those up to see just what they are...well all but the Mistel :wacko: Sometimes it's a curse not knowing all the aircraft designations but I swear for every one i learn I forget two :lol:
Hmmm. I'm still reeling from the Dragon P-51...I'd have to wait and see what they've done to these prior to purchase.
Jeff,
The Ta 152C is the short span version of the Ta 152 aircraft. Below is a pic of the 1/72 scale Ta 152C I made from the Dragon kit last year. Check out the size of the supercharger intake! :blink:
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Not really sure about the He 162D, but I think it is the swept wing version.
The Ta 154 Mistel is likely the version with the Fw 190A as the control a/c.
Matrixone
Thanks Matrix, saved me some digging around on the web :)
QuoteNot really sure about the He 162D, but I think it is the swept wing version.
Correct it is indeed (and with a V-tail):
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Regards,
Greg
Greg, you should be elected the Whif librarian! You always know where to pull up a quick reference from :) That last desert version is way cool!
^^^
You are right this guy is a Living Library. Thumbs up!
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Ooooooh goody, says Richard rubbing his hands together, as he hurriedly runs back down into his burrow to his computer! :P :wub: :dum: :cheers:
The 1/72 scale Dragon Ta 152C was a real fuzzy bunny to build and I expect the 1/48 scale kit to be every bit as bad but I MUST have one in my collection.
Matrixone
QuoteQuoteNot really sure about the He 162D, but I think it is the swept wing version.
Correct it is indeed (and with a V-tail):
Regards,
Greg
Yep and it's a b*gger to land on IL2 1946 !
Ian - trudges away to get his coat again after completely missing the point of the thread !
Here's one for us armour & 'Nam buffs. It's Dragon's repop of the Panda UH-1D over on Modelweb and as usual they haven't spared the bandwidth in the details
http://www.modelforum.cz/web/view.php?naze...anku=2007050012 (http://www.modelforum.cz/web/view.php?nazevclanku=135-dragon-uh-1d-huey&cisloclanku=2007050012)
Mav
Have they done anything with the kit or is it a strait rerun? a couple of my friends from the LHS say the panda kits are dogs,which is why I have been Leery on getting their UH-1N.I have Academy's Huey Frog kit and the kit is a beauty I also want to get the Academy HOG as well
"Panzer"
Looks pretty good to me...but why not take the sprues out of the bag before taking the photos ? Looks like lots of details to play with.
I'd really like to get a giant Huey like that, and paint her up as a CAF rescue bird from one of the base flights in the 70's or 80's.
Here is a link to a kit review of the original PANDA UH-1N on Cybermodeler (http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/pan/kit_pan_35008.shtml). You can compare the images in that review with the Dragon release and see that other than the inclusion of the DML/Dragon helicopter crew figures and the photo-etch fret, nothing has really changed. Yes I know it is the UH-1N and not the UH-1D but other than the engine cowlings, there is no real difference between the kits. I have both versions in protective custody so I feel qualified to make this comparison.
Some better images of the kit parts so you can better appreciate the "thickness" of the pieces in this Cybermodeler Review of the
DML/Dragon (PANDA) UH-1D/H kit (http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/dml/kit_dml_3538.shtml).
The $20.00 Panda kit gave you a basic helicopter shape with Rocket pods included with one version and half a rocket pod in the other. Some of the other kit highlights were:
*No figures were included in the original Panda kits.
*No PE was included in the original Panda UH-1H and UH-1N kits.
*Tail rotor assembley is now a separate component which means you can rotate it 180 degrees to make it correct for the the UH-1N version.
*Still the same thick plastic molding as originally released by Panda.
*It is 1/35th scale unlike the Revell of Germany UH-1D/H kit (1/32nd scale with toy like features).
*If you absolutely have to have a UH-1D/H/N in 1/35th scale this is the kit to pick up. If you want to build the earlier UH-1B/C you will need to acquire the Academy kit.
*It is big and you will need a lot of shelf space to devote to displaying it or the alternative will be hanging it from the ceiling.
*After-market stuff for this kit is not cheap but it does wonders for the kit shortfalls.
If the price is right, I would definitely pick one or two of them up. Just for the Kit supplied decals, figures, and PE, plus you get a helicopter model in the box!
With Dragon re-releasing Panda's (same company really), UH-1N, what we have to do now is get Belcher Bits to upsize their Canadian Griffon conversion kit. He makes one in 1/48......if he could upsize it to 1/35....man we could have a whole fleet of Griffons.
We could even do a 'What If', they actually deployed them to Afghanistan!!!!!
http://www.modelingmadness.com/scotts/axis/previews/dragon/5033.htm
I just ordered one of those kits this week but it will be quite a while before I will have time to build it.
Matrixone
I don't know, their armour is usually superb & i liked building their Ar-234.
I have built a few of the Dragon kits and its quite true they are not much fun to build but look pretty good when finished. The 1/72 scale Ta 152C being the worst fitting model I have ever built, if I can build that one I can build any of them. I have built the Dragon Do 335B heavy fighter before and as usual the fit was not that good but by far the worst problem I had with it was getting the balance correct to avoid being a tail sitter. This next time I will be ready for it.
Matrixone
HoyhoyAll
Dragon... What can I say.
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So bad I had to switch the airframes around.
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So twisted I had to cut the tail off
And in 72`
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Quite enjoyed
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I don`t remember any problems.
And I`m still enjoying the Natter build but on the whole (especially the military stuff);
"Dragon kits are actually not designed to be built but rather to be admired in the box."
regards gARY
I like that Me.1101, Hog. Really nice job on that :wub: I've got one in the stash to do too and only a couple of weeks ago I picked up another, only this one has a 'T-Tail'
Do you pose all the figures or can you buy them like that?
I just got my Dragon Do 335 B-4 kit the other day, about the only changes from the Do 335 A-O kit and the new Do 335 B-4 are a sprue with the long wingspan wing tips and new decals. You must cut off the wing tips of the standard wing and glue on the long span tips to make the wing for the B-4, pretty easy unless you make a mistake during the cutting process.
When I build my kit I will try and hollow out the front engine halves and pack it with lead to help add weight to the nose, when I built the Dragon Do 335 B-6 a few years ago the worst problem I had with it was running out of room to add enough lead to prevent it from being a tail sitter.
Yes the Dragon kits are not as fun to make as certain other brands are, but when finished they look the best and are tough to beat.
HOG, those are some impressive models!
Matrixone
Hoyhoy all,
"this one has a 'T-Tail"
Thinking back the kit I built was the Revell reissue nightfighter which also had a `T`tail. But I wanted the prototype so cut tail in half and fixed as shown.
"Do you pose all the figures or can you buy them like that?"
The figures are a mix of Airfix, Preiser Luft and railway. The Airfix figures are great value but soft plastic and paint falls off if not careful. Roy Dilly used to suggest coating in Unibond, but when I tried that I lost detail. Figures of choice are the Preiser 1:72 kits. Hard styrene, infinitely possable and convertable, but a little pricey. Also check out their tank crew sets. Nice figures already in overalls and a good selection of poses.
"HOG, those are some impressive models!"
From you, praise indeed! and appreciated :lol:
regards Gary
Quote from: HOG on March 07, 2008, 06:07:03 PM
Thinking back the kit I built was the Revell reissue nightfighter which also had a `T`tail. But I wanted the prototype so cut tail in half and fixed as shown.
regards Gary
I didn't know that Revell made a kit of the Me 1101, these are the ones I have:
Quote from: The Wooksta! on February 18, 2008, 05:36:22 AM
If it's anything like their Do 335A, it'll be a horror to build. I've yet to try a Dragon kit that isn't.
They turn out some really neat models though.
When are Dragon going to get off their arses and release the 1/72nd scale Hummer avenger???
I have already done 2 of these from converted hummer flat backs, I used a book I have on Hummer variants to build them as there are pictures in it of the avenger in 1/32nd scale, so I just scaled the bits I had to make down and went from there.
modelversium.de (http://www.modellversium.de/) have the following Dragon (DML) kits for your review:
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Dragon #6381, 1/35th scale M16 Multiple Gun Motor Carriage (http://www.modellversium.de/kit/artikel.php?id=3908).
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#6011X, 1/35th scale E-100 Heavy Tank "Nachtjäger" (http://www.modellversium.de/kit/artikel.php?id=3932)
What I find interesting is that Dragon (DML) have included three identical clear parts sprue for the Infra-Red night fighting equipment as depicted on the box art. This is most appealing for those of you that want to WHIF up something unusual for your armor modeling projects. The muzzle brake for the primary weapon/main gun appears to be a two piece component consisting of the outer details provided by a piece of photo-etch brass that has to be wrapped around a plastic plug to represent the perforations of the real muzzle brake on the weapon. I was hoping it would be a bit more detailed but it appears that they have cut some corners to get this kit to market. Now I wonder how this thing would look with the 75mm/L70 fitted as the secondary weapon?
(Links and images courtesy of modelversium.de (http://www.modellversium.de/))
Dragon Models kit catalog (http://www.dragon-models.com/catalog/dml/) lists the M55 Quad .50" gun mount "Smart Kit" with a release date of February 2009. This is most welcome news since the only other complete M55 kit available on the market was a couple of expensive and hard to find resin kits. Looking forward to seeing this kit on the shelf and some good in-box kit review images of the contents.
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(link to the catalog page) (http://www.dragon-models.com/catalog/dml/new/6421/6421-poster.htm) http://www.dragon-models.com/
Link to Dragon Models web page (http://www.dragon-models.com/)
If you are doing the E100 or maus with the etched brass it is a bit of a bugger to get it wrapped around smoothly - I used lots of super glue for this then had to sand off bits of skin left behind in getting it to stick. The next trick is to get a small drill bit and drill through the perforations on the brass into the plastic about 2 mm. Then add a darl wash and it looks much better.
William in Oz
That quad .50 looks great I plan to add that to the new M5A1 when AFV Club releases that Stuart
Saw this on Dragon Models USA. Dragon are reissuing the 1/72nd P-61B with a photo-etched set (including seat belts, control panels etc.) and Cartograf decals in March. http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=DRA5036
Main site here. http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/welcome.asp
Paul Harrison
G'day Gang,
Modellversium has a review of the Do-335B-4 Recon variant.
http://www.modellversium.de/kit/artikel.php?id=4051
Regards,
Mav
Dragon Models (http://www.dragon-models.com/) is now listing a 1/35th scale M2A1 (aka M1 and M101) 105mm Howitzer on their ''Committed to the Modeler page. (http://www.dragon-models.com/Committed_to_the_Modeler2/Committed_to_the_Modeler2.htm)
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I wonder how much better it will be over the older and slightly cheaper Italeri kit of the same subject.
Dragon are bringing out a VERY impressive set of "British" figures - their "Allied Assault - Monte Cassino 1944" includes 3 sets of heads, Indian, New Zealander and Polish. Very impressive, and follows hot on the heels of last years "Sicily" which gave you 8 figures for the price of 6.
Dragon are finally making up for years of neglect of British/Commonwealth subjects :)
http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=5038
^ These figures look absolutely amazing! :o Not only the different heads, but the animation of the faces! :bow:
Terry Ashley has posted a nice review on PMMS (http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/) of the Dragon 1/35th scale kit #6421, M55 Quad .50" gun mount (http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/dragon/dr6421.html). This is an in-depth review and includes many images of the kit contents.
Dragon USA has some details of the upcoming Dragon 1/48th scale Focke Wulf Ta152C-0. http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=DRA5548
Paul Harrison
Dragon have announced a 1/3 Firearms Series. They include several variants based around the Glock G17, M14 & M4. I'm finding it difficult to find info, but I think only the G-17 with case & standard M14 are available at present.
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There's also a pre-assembled range:
http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodlist.asp?tlcode=DRF&tbn=1&scale=3 (http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodlist.asp?tlcode=DRF&tbn=1&scale=3)
Trumpeter seems to be getting in on the game too with several M16 variants.
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,11743.360.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,11743.360.html)
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Modellversium (http://www.modellversium.de/) has posted a review with plenty of detail images of the Dragon/DML USS Gearing DD-710 (1945 fit), 1/350th scale kit #1029. (http://www.modellversium.de/kit/artikel.php?id=4400)
Perth Military Modelling have suspended all news and reviews of DML products following repeated attacks on the website owner. DML are well known for the way they slander anyone who dares to criticise their products, so good for Terry for making a stand.
http://perthmilitarymodelling.com/newkitnews/dragon.htm
Discussion here (http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=146903&page=1)
Quote from: nev on October 12, 2009, 10:05:51 AMPerth Military Modelling have suspended all news and reviews of DML products following repeated attacks on the website owner. DML are well known for the way they slander anyone who dares to criticise their products, so good for Terry for making a stand.
http://perthmilitarymodelling.com/newkitnews/dragon.htm
Discussion here (http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=146903&page=1)
Just read that same thing over on Missing-Lynx discussion forums and from what I have read in previous discussions this has been a continuing problem for Terry and a couple of others. Sad to see DML/Dragon acting in such a manner.
just got a new trade list at work and i only had a glance before i came home but did see a new 1/700 USS Hornet with photo etched and Hanger deck detail.
there are others and i will let you know what they are as soon as i can, all for early 2010 release.
Looks like Dragon is about to get back into the aircraft kit business. BIG TIME!
>>HERE<< (http://www.dragon-models.com/2010ca/2010ca.htm) is the Cyber-Hobby 2010 catalogue. Lots of 1/72 new aircraft kits.
1/32
Do 335 Pfeil
1/48
Bf 110D-3
1/72
Several BoB aircraft (Bf 110C (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi107.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm309%2FChernayaAkula%2FEmoticons%2Fukliam2.gif&hash=7b67f0c42d5bdec767ded71bc80749c9459dd6ad)), DH Sea Vixen, Gloster Meteor F.3, Hellcats, Helldivers, AH-64A and D ((https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi107.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm309%2FChernayaAkula%2FEmoticons%2Fukliam2.gif&hash=7b67f0c42d5bdec767ded71bc80749c9459dd6ad))
1/700
USS Virgina CGN-38, USS Long Beach CGN-9 ((https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi107.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm309%2FChernayaAkula%2FEmoticons%2Fukliam2.gif&hash=7b67f0c42d5bdec767ded71bc80749c9459dd6ad)), USS Independence LCS-2, HMS Daring Type 45 destroyer
>>HERE<< (http://www.dragon-models.com/2010NurnbergShow/2010NurnbergShow.htm) are some of the Nuremberg Toy Fair announcements by Dragon.
1/48
Bf 109E-4, P-51D Mustang
1/72
A-20G Havoc, P-51D Mustang
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1/350
Scharnhorst 1943, Z-39 destroyer, USS Independence CVL-22
Mmmm, Sea Vixen & a wartime Meteor, very weclome. Probably be pricey though, here's hoping Airfix re-work their 1/48 Sea Vixen kit into 1/72 & I guess they'll be replacing their Meteor kit if the current spate continues.
Being Dragon, I expect it all to be extremely expensive. :( I too would hope for a scaled down Vixen from Airfix over the Dragon offering.
The 1/32 Do 335 Pfeil could proove interesting if one wanted to go the super detailing route.
Regards,
Greg
Quote from: ChernayaAkula on February 04, 2010, 12:25:19 PM
1/700
USS Virgina CGN-38, USS Long Beach CGN-9, USS Independence LCS-2
YES, YES, YES, YES, YES!!!!!!! Looks like I won't be buying the JAG Virginia now, nor truly screwing up my Long Beach!!!!!
And with Dragon's Long Beach, Wyrmshadow's awesome Tico-Long Beach mash-up :bow: (CLICKY! (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,25458.msg369371.html#msg369371)) can now be realized without wrecking your bank account.
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More news:
The "secret items" :wacko: :
1/72 F-16Cs, F-22A and F-35A and B
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So we'll have a WW2 CVL to go with the just announced Hasegawa CVE.
££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££
Quote from: ChernayaAkula on February 05, 2010, 03:33:59 PM
And with Dragon's Long Beach...
Also a lot easier to build the Strike Cruiser refit in plastic (as opposed to screwing up my beautiful JAG resin model :D )
Yeap in theory we'll have CGN hulls in plastic to play with, however their price is likely to be only half that of the Resin version (if that) given Dragons pricing policy these days :banghead:.
Still its easier to work with and mix with existing kit parts where required. (And guess who needs at least a dozen Type 45's - DOH !!!)
Wait for the Airfix one. They'd be daft not to. :thumbsup:
Various Modelzones have 1/72 armour at £3.99, shops differ on what they have.
In amongst the usual snoozefest of annual new-tool Tigers & Panthers, DML have announced a 1/4 Jeep!
http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6451&mode=thread&order=0
Gives a new meaning to quarter scale! Fit it with pedals & buy it for the kids! ;D
It's 1/6, not 1/4. Still bloody huge, though.
An addendum to the DML price discussion. Speaking to a trader at Cosford yesterday, he was saying that he used to order 6 of every new Dragon kit. Since their prices went up, he orders 1.
Quote from: nev on April 12, 2010, 10:40:37 AM
An addendum to the DML price discussion. Speaking to a trader at Cosford yesterday, he was saying that he used to order 6 of every new Dragon kit. Since their prices went up, he orders 1.
that's basically what we've been doing in our shop, interestingly Hobby Company (UK distributor) haven't been pushing Dragon sales to us, so other than brand new releases I guess they've not been flogging much. I guess that it's a tactic to show Dragon HQ how high their pricing is as their sales in the UK drop off...
Dragon is not a big seller a modelzone, it's a little too expensive for your average high street customer. To be fair i don't think Dragon are bothered if UK sales fall, they don't need us they can sell all they make in Asia.
Pics of the plans for the LCS-2. :wub: :wub: :wub:
I'm going to buy at least 2 of those things.
http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/misc/lcs/700-lcs2-ch-pre/dragon-poster.html
Quote from: proditor on April 20, 2010, 11:37:01 AM
Pics of the plans for the LCS-2. :wub: :wub: :wub:
I'm going to buy at least 2 of those things.
http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/misc/lcs/700-lcs2-ch-pre/dragon-poster.html
Looks nice, although can't help thinking they should really have done LCS-1 with it as a combo set.
Like the look of the Sea Ram, but could do with half a dozen pairs rather than the token 1 (Yes i know there is only one live Sea Ram system anyway), but would be handy as whif alternative to Phalanx or RAM and it was tested on a Type 42 at one stage.
BTW I have a Virgina CGN on order from HLJ, although god knows if or when it will arrive with the air mail system goosed for Europe!.
G
It might not be a bad idea to drop a hint JAG's way. They do nice RAM's already, so I'd think going to Sea RAM would be a slam dunk.
Oh, anyone have any idea what that big blank square is behind the gun, forward fo the bridge? Becuase I'm thinking it looks like an excellent place for a short length VLS.
I suspect its space for a mission package system, similar to the meko concept
G
Updated info on the Cyber Hobby LCS-2: $25 US from Hobby Link Japan.
http://www.hlj.com/product/CYVCH7092
Dragon USA has posted the following kits so they shouldn't be too long now.
Dragon/Cyber Hobby Meteor III. http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=CHC5044
Type 45 destroyer. http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=CHC7093
USS Long Beach. http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=CHC7091
One of the Meteor sprues is on display at the Shizuoka show.
Paul Harrison
Found a review of the LCS-2. which should be shipping really soon now!
http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/misc/lcs/700-lcs2-ch/dragon-review.html
Interesting new arrival at Hannants, the USS Virginia in 1/700th:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.hannants.co.uk%2Fpics%2FDN7090.jpg&hash=b586d0f37db26eacad0de4bccf3c853d023e062e)
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN7090
Nice to see something between WWII and in-service, and at least it's not another Tico!
Weaver
They have the US CGN Long Beach and the Type 45 lined up for later in the year, hopefully taht may prompt so more cold war US kits and non-us modern warships.
BTW The Virginia kit was released in April and took till June to get to the UK, and i had my pre-order with Hannants cancelled by them when it was removed from their future releases for a week or more - was worried that the importers had decided not to bother with these Cyberhobby boxed warships when they did that !!!.
Cheers
Geoff
An affordable Long Beach!? I may have to get me one of those.
Box art for the Meteor III looks very tame comprared to the old Airfix kit! :lol: http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=CHC5044
Paul Harrison
That's nice to see, early Meteors have largely been neglected.
Update on the Daring & the Meteor III
The Daring page has been updated with the box art image and even better a due date of August 2010 :thumbsup:. Which by going off the Virigina means we'll get in October :banghead:. (Can you guess what i want from SMW this year by any chance ? ;D, although i shall probably try and get one from overseas when they appear).
The Meteor also has box art and is listed as a July release, which also should also be the same time the MPM/Special Hobby Meteor III appears. Expect plenty of comparison reviews when the both appear
G
Quote from: Thorvic on June 25, 2010, 11:48:45 PM
The Meteor also has box art and is listed as a July release, which also should also be the same time the MPM/Special Hobby Meteor III appears. Expect plenty of comparison reviews when the both appear
G
I see it's almost £27 at Hannants when released :banghead:
You'd be better off buying the Tamiya 48th kit. Certainly cheaper.
And given the way MPM's prices are shooting upwards, I doubt their Meteor F.III would be any cheaper than the Dragon one.
I wouldn't say the early Meteors have been neglected - Airfix did the F.III, Frog the F4 in 72nd, whilst AMT did an F.I in 48th. Tamiya have released both an F.I (depending on which boxing it's either an F.I or the prototype at Cosford with an F.III wing) and an FIII in recent years.
£19.80 for the MPM Meteor on Hannants. Quite a lot more than a 1/72 Meteor should be, but a fair bit less than the Dragon kit. The Tamiya Mk.I & Mk.III are both listed as £22.50, so it's definately worth getting one of those kits on a plastic per pound basis. I've got to admit I'd be shy of forking out much more than a tenner, although I think I payed twelve quid each for the Xtrakit T.7 & F.8.
I think the MPM price was justified in the past by having a bit of resin & etch, not sure if that's included any more, might have been a special boxing.
Dragon/Cyber-Hobby teased with some CAD pics of the Type 45 HMS Daring, and a release date of August. :cheers:
http://modelshipwrights.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6913
Well the poster for the kit box has appeared so hopefully the actual kit will follow soon after :thumbsup:
http://www.dragon-models.com/html/7093poster.htm (http://www.dragon-models.com/html/7093poster.htm)
AeroScale has an IN-BOX REVIEW (http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=5411) of the Dragon Meteor.
Quote from: Thorvic on August 19, 2010, 11:52:26 AM
Well the poster for the kit box has appeared so hopefully the actual kit will follow soon after :thumbsup:
http://www.dragon-models.com/html/7093poster.htm (http://www.dragon-models.com/html/7093poster.htm)
I love how almost all of the details are listed as "delicate" ;D
Hmm, well a couple of years ago I waited and waited for Dragon to release the Hummer Avenger air defence vehicle in 1/72nd scale, it was in their catalogue, but still no Avenger >:( I had to make 2 of my own.
Chris.
Quote from: NARSES2 on July 06, 2010, 01:42:10 AM
Quote from: Thorvic on June 25, 2010, 11:48:45 PM
The Meteor also has box art and is listed as a July release, which also should also be the same time the MPM/Special Hobby Meteor III appears. Expect plenty of comparison reviews when the both appear
G
I see it's almost £27 at Hannants when released :banghead:
Yup, £27 in Holborn Modelzone. Beautifully moulded of course, but £27??? I don't think so. And what's with the etched brass air brakes, when the things are moulded into the wings - don't even come as separate items!
;D ;D
Quote from: kitbasher on August 27, 2010, 06:09:11 AM
Yup, £27 in Holborn Modelzone. Beautifully moulded of course, but £27??? I don't think so. And what's with the etched brass air brakes, when the things are moulded into the wings - don't even come as separate items!
;D ;D
Jeepers. it's 1/72! I thought at that price it would be 1/48.
But the etched dive brakes look like they'd fit into the moulded recsesses (sp?) in the wing. You can see them in one of the photos in the review.
I saw the Meteor III in MZ today (no Airfix Spit I :banghead:) and yes looked very nice but just shy of £27 :banghead:
Drop the price by a tenner and I *might* buy it. I'm wondering how much their proposed Sea Vixen and Spitfire will be?
The Meteor is listed at $24.95 on the DragonUSA site:
http://www.dragonusaonline.com/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=CHC5044
$24.99 on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B002ON3Z9O/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
$23.99 at Sprue Bros:
http://store.spruebrothers.com/172-cyber-hobby-gloster-meteor-fiii--golden-wings-series-5044-p23821.aspx
So around £16 here vs. £27 in the UK, that's one hell of a price variation.
Now you see why we get a bit miffed by a mark way above any imprort and VAT duty would warrant
The UK mark-up hasn't really changed has it, I can remember a few years ago buying some High Planes kits from the big 'H', I later found they were listed in GBP at the same numeral amount as buying them straight from Australia in their dollars, which was about three times less in real price.
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on August 27, 2010, 10:37:14 AM
So around £16 here vs. £27 in the UK, that's one hell of a price variation.
That's not a variation, it's outright robbery, if not extortion, and no mistake about it. And if that's what they can get away with for the Meteor, you'll see their Spitfire mk Ia for CMK prices. I dread to think what the Vixen will cost but I reckon you'll be able to get a pair of the Airfix 48th ones and still have change from whatever Dragon's price will be. Robbing... (rest of diatribe deleted on legal advice)
While modellers in the UK keep on buying stuff at these outrageous prices nothing will happen. What it needs is a concerted campaign NOT to buy them, and for the two main magazines to come out against it, instead of posting stupid 'value for money' comments in their reviews. Then the importers wil feel some pain in the same place that we are, in our pockets.
Until that happens we'll continue to be ripped off by these thieves. (and I don't give a DAMN about 'legal advice' because that's what they are, so there!)
That's an amazing "UK tax" - basically they take the price in the US, scratch off the $ sign and put a £ in front? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just buy it from Sprue Bros. (shipping & customs can't be that expensive) or from HLJ?
Quote from: frank2056 on August 27, 2010, 06:23:03 PM
That's an amazing "UK tax" - basically they take the price in the US, scratch off the $ sign and put a £ in front? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just buy it from Sprue Bros. (shipping & customs can't be that expensive) or from HLJ?
Well goods over £18 in value attract a VAT free from cutoms that the post office apply, so you end up paying VAT, howver for the post office to calculate the VAT based on the value and to send you a card informing you that you parcel is awaiting collection with a VAT charge to be paid, they charge you an £8 flat fee for the privilage !. Therefore the savings have to be real good or the shipper mark the price low (which most won't for legal reasons) or your going to be paying at least an extra £10 on top of kit price & shipping costs.....
I just bought a Type 21 Frigate from Pacific Front models in the US for $49.99, add to that a $12.50 shipping charge, 6 weeks delivery and a £14 VAT surcharge !!!!. However for this kit it was worth it as it was a limited re-issue done for Pacific Front by Pitroad and is not avialable anywhere else.
So you see importing can be quite a gamble as could cost more than the inflated UK price the importers may charge.
Quote from: The Wooksta! on August 27, 2010, 08:46:11 AM
Drop the price by a tenner and I *might* buy it. I'm wondering how much their proposed Sea Vixen and Spitfire will be?
The sheer thought of that gives me the shivers Lee :banghead:
The new Hasegawa 1/72 Ju188 is £42, fortytwo sodding quid, I've stopped buy Dragon stuff so I'll now add Hasegawa to the list.
the UK is such a small market share for these Japanese companies that they will not care about losing the sales if there is a boycott, plus the " snobbery " of some will make it impracticle and unworkable. the kits will always sell at no matter the price so the importers don't care, they will get their pennies.
Quote from: Thorvic on August 28, 2010, 01:33:08 AM
Well goods over £18 in value attract a VAT free from cutoms that the post office apply, so you end up paying VAT, howver for the post office to calculate the VAT based on the value and to send you a card informing you that you parcel is awaiting collection with a VAT charge to be paid, they charge you an £8 flat fee for the privilage !.
So the total value is calculated including the postage, or just by the declared value on the import form? It's almost like you need a degree in math to figure out the price of a model kit!
Do you get charged if you buy from a EU country? Jadar in Poland doesn't have it, but their prices (even for Dragon) are usually very good.
We don't get charged for stuff from Europe as it already has VAT slapped on it, they just crucify us with extortionate postage charges instead.
I have bought stuff from Jadar too,reasonable prices but they can sometimes need a kick in the arse to send you the stuff
Chris.
Quote from: NARSES2 on August 28, 2010, 02:26:46 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on August 27, 2010, 08:46:11 AM
Drop the price by a tenner and I *might* buy it. I'm wondering how much their proposed Sea Vixen and Spitfire will be?
The sheer thought of that gives me the shivers Lee :banghead:
Simple answer: don't buy it. Kit's idea of a boycott is a sound one though and well worth trying.
Would a model boycott work; is it not like the oft called for Fuel Boycotts?
Whilst I find the practice of swapping dollar for pound signs, if only was that simple?
certainly its probably easier/cheaper by a tadge to ship to the US, it is probably that the UK companies need to charge more to eek out a profit over and above the the costs of doing business in the UK (employment costs & Taxes, utilities such as water and energy, wages etc)
now as for UK Import duties
Its a real pain and frustrates me as all others, however
Small (or Reduced) Scale Model under the HMRC guidelines are not subject to Import duty, but are subject to VAT (poss inc postage & handling charges).
see Commodity code 9503 00 95 00, in part it would be easier if suppliers printed this on their those green/white customs slips.
The Tariff Commodity codes are now also harmonised and should be recognised globally in most territories
The one of the real bug bears is that Parcel Force, Royal Mail etc then charge you for paying import duty on your behalf and the admin of sending that off to HMRC and sending the letter to you to tell you the great news.
http://online.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/tariffFootnotes?key.commodityCode=9503009500&r.s=a&export=false&r.lc=en&footnoteCodes=03020&measureType=+VAT+standard+rate&simulationDate=29/8/10&geographicalAreaCode=TOUT
If you can be so enraged you can actually appeal to the HMRC to have any "import tariffs" you disagree with refunded.
I have done this on a number of times as whoever it is that works in the handling centre at Coventry seems to confuse the Yen value with Pounds!! Needless to say, I have received an a number of occasions bills over £100 pounds.
Now, obviously anyone having had dealing with HMRC will now be laughing......
It does take on average 4-6 weeks of ringing and writing to then get them to send the cheque for the refund, which in turn needs a further week to clear.
The import charges strategy seems odd, i have found that
1) 9 out of 10 items from the US will be flagged for additional charges, a cynic would say they target resources as US Imports?
2) Items from China or Hong Kong seem to breeze through; maybe its that green wrapping paper has mystical powers?
3) Items from Japan are 50/50 - if heavily branded (namely HLJ) they seem to incurr charges , nondescript packages tend to slip through
4) Some sources never get charged e.g Brazil
I think after being charged at all, is the inconsistency of the process and application of tariffs.
Quote from: bluedonkey99 on August 29, 2010, 03:05:19 PM
see Commodity code 9503 00 95 00, in part it would be easier if suppliers printed this on their those green/white customs slips.
The Tariff Commodity codes are now also harmonised and should be recognised globally in most territories
Ah the delights of the HCC, brings back many happy memories of delving through Chapters 72 & 73 and then the extended records to try and suss who was bringing something in. Only to find the buggars had used the wrong code in an effort to confuse :banghead: Never realised I then worked the "other way" :wacko: ;D
Quote from: bluedonkey99 on August 29, 2010, 03:05:19 PM
Now, obviously anyone having had dealing with HMRC will now be laughing......
The import charges strategy seems odd, i have found that
1) 9 out of 10 items from the US will be flagged for additional charges, a cynic would say they target resources as US Imports?
2) Items from China or Hong Kong seem to breeze through; maybe its that green wrapping paper has mystical powers?
3) Items from Japan are 50/50 - if heavily branded (namely HLJ) they seem to incurr charges , nondescript packages tend to slip through
4) Some sources never get charged e.g Brazil
Experience would bear those statements out
New Zealand parcels get hammered as well, a friend and I ordered a Wingnut Sopwith Pup each and got nailed by the Post Office............. :banghead:
I havn't heard of one person who hasn't been stung when bringing in Wingnut kits. Maybe someone in HMC is aware that apart from lamb that's about the only thing of value likely to come from NZ therefore they have it on automatic :banghead:
This reminds me of the 1970s in Oz. I am so glad we got rid of most of the tariffs in the 1980s. :thumbsup:
And it's not as if the tariffs 'protect trade' in the UK.
90% of the stuff we want to bring in doesn' have a UK competitor anyway, so it's just spite on the Government's or Custom's part.
In years gone by I used to bring lots of American N gauge model railway stuff back with me from business trips to the US. I'd take a folding bag out with me in the bottom of my suitcase, and use it to carry the model stuff on the return trip. Before coming back I'd make sure I had every receipt in a neat pile, and I'd work out the likely duty on the whole lot before I got to the Red Channel, but I'd make sure that all the smallest things were on top of the bag. -_- When the Customs guy took a look inside he'd be horrified at the amount of checking he could be in for, so he'd guess an amount of duty. If it was less than my calculations, and it usually was, I'd go along with that and pay him. If it was more I'd protest and they'd usually halve it! :)
A pity we can't do that with the Post Office/Customs conspiracy for mailed shipments. :(
Well under the Cyberhobby brand they have updated the website with the 1/700 USS Long Beach CGN with box art and a scheduled release date of October 2010.
http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=CHC7091 (http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=CHC7091)
(Dread to think what the UK price would be ?)
I'm gonna whiff that sucker to within an inch of it's life! VLS for everyone!! :thumbsup:
Quote from: proditor on August 31, 2010, 01:00:30 PM
I'm gonna whiff that sucker to within an inch of it's life! VLS for everyone!! :thumbsup:
Did you notice that it represents the ship pre mid life update, so no doubt they will probably do that as a seperate boxing.
The interesting thing is we will have had 4 post war warships from Cyber Hobby this year in line with their release schedule so it makes me wonder what they may have lined up next year ;D.
Although they may revert to WW2 1/700, 1/350th kits or catch up with their 1/72nd planned aircraft.
G
Quote from: Thorvic on August 31, 2010, 03:54:13 PM
Did you notice that it represents the ship pre mid life update, so no doubt they will probably do that as a seperate boxing.
Yeah, I spotted the lack of CIWS in the back. I'm not sure if it will make it easier or harder to turn it into a strike cruiser, but I mostly want the hull anyway, so I figure I'll burn that bridge when I get to it. ;)
I was soooo gonna go nuts on my JAG models Long Beach, now it'll get a more austere refit, meanwhile, CGN-13, CGN-14, and CGN-15 will get crazy-go-nuts refits (including one to the CSGN-9 spec). Just couldn't bring myself to do that to the really expensive resin CGN-9 I've got.
The Long beach should certainly be handy in that configuration, as those earlier missile launchers could go on various post war ships especially rebuilt WW2 jobs.
I wonder if Cyberhobby are looking to do the other CGNs such as California, Bainbridge & Truxton or for that matter the convention escorts such as Leahy & Belknap classes. We might actually be able to create a super carrier escort group from the 60's & 70's without having to shell out for expensive resin ships (instead it will be slightly less expensive CyberHobby kits here in the UK ;D).
On the other front they have the LCS2 Independence and the British Type 45 Daring is due this month (grrrr :banghead:, slightly delayed as was originally aimed at August), so what current modern stuff would they consider for next year ?. No doubt an LCS1 class (BTW have they made a selection yet on which LCS design to focus production on ? ), but what other modern designs, the Franco/Italian Horizon, the Spanish/Australian F100 design, a canadian Halifax, one of the current German ships, possibly one of the Meko designs as they proved a popular design or even a British Type 23 to go with the rest of the Royal Navy they already do.
G
I'd absolutely pay some cold hard cash for some Meko's. Actually, I really want some Canadian Navy selections. I intend on an homage of JoeP's Carrier/LCD for the Canadian Navy, and she's going to need some escorts. ;)
Well to follow the 1/700 USS Long Beach, we have announced at Tokyo Toy Fair the USS Albany CG-10 as post war missile cruiser
The Cyberhobby 1/700 Type 45 HMS Daring has been released, although only seen it with the Japanese On-line stores such as HLJ & HobbySearch. Currently awaiting delivery in the coming weeks from these two sources.
Expect them in the US at the end of the month, and UK retail will probably be Mid November at best !.
(Note - If at SMW i will get one, so if you see them let me know ;D).
HLJ shows the box sides which includes the decals, and i noticed the kit has markings for the first 3 ships only - Daring, Dauntless & Diamond.
Whats the betting Dragon do a 2nd boxing with Dragon (with the Dragon bow art), Defender & Duncan !, No doubt planned for when the ship enters service next year ? ;)
G
Quote from: Thorvic on October 14, 2010, 10:29:29 AM
Well to follow the 1/700 USS Long Beach, we have announced at Tokyo Toy Fair the USS Albany CG-10 as post war missile cruiser
And we have a preview now too! :thumbsup:
http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/cg/cg-10/700-ch-pre/map.html
F6F-5N Hellcat fans rejoice for we have a brand new tooling of this magnificent beast due out this February!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :drink:
http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=CHC5080 (http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=CHC5080)
Eduard have the whole family planned for this year. It'll be cheaper and no doubt better fitting too.
In 1/72?!
http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=61779
Really welcome release of the Neubaufahrzeug in 35th from Cyberhobby.
http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=8329
Regards,
Mav
Cool! Any idea on cost? I'd like one of these, but being Dragon I'm expecting a cringe-inducing price-tag...
Unfortunately it's only a 'upcoming release' so there's no price yet, but given it's a Cyber-Hobby release as opposed to Dragon and that CH are supposedly their 'botique' limited release brand, I have to think that the price will be nasty. Not as nasty as a resin kit of the type, but still beyond normal Dragon armour. Perhaps Hobby Boss will release a version too at a much reduced price.
Regards,
Mav
I've never built a Dragon kit. Is their quality as good as their price warrants?
Rick,
There's a wide variety of thoughts around the traps. Some people think they are overly complicated and overly priced, others think they are accurate renditions that utilise cutting edge moulding techniques. I personally think that it's more in the middle of those too extremes. The Dragon armour I have built in 35th has been superlative stuff in my opinion with some really interesting subject matter (they were amongst the first to do a large range of post-war Warpac era equipment, for instance). They easily eclipsed Tamiya's stuff in their earliest incarnations and Tamiya has been struggling to keep up every since.
Their figures on the other hand are quite simply superb. Well detailed (almost to a resin kit's level), interesting subjects, anatomically correct dimensions and superlative weapons. Their Quartermaster series of weapons sets are like mana from heaven for a gun-nut like me and once again, they were the first to offer a decent SLR for example.
For my mind, if I wanted detail, accuracy and options, I'd go for Dragon before anyone else. If cost was an imperative or it was something to whiff or something else that required less accuracy, I'd steer away from Dragon as I personally couldn't justify hacking up something of that quality or of that price. As for figures, regardless of the new ranges from some other manufacturers that have soft details, if interesting subjects, I'd almost always go for Dragon.
Regards
Their aircraft kits are a pain to build - the Ta 152s and Ar 234s are vile fits. Any UK price tag is likely to be eyes, sockets plus and arm and a leg.
I wouldn't say they're worth the money but then for the UK buyer, NONE of the far east kits are currently worth the money given the extortionate prices being charged now. Certainly Hasegawa or Dragon. Those who say they are have more money than sense.
Lee,
I built the Ar-234B back when it first came out and didn't have any problems, but I've frequently seen reviews online suggesting that their 72nd aircraft are bad which was always confusing. Perhaps I lucked out or wasn't fussy... who knows. I've read that their 35th armour is overly complicated, but as an armour builder, I accept a level of complexity for components that wouldn't necessarily be the case in an aircraft. Even though those same 'complicated' reviews were written by other armour builders which I found puzzling.
Regarding prices, Dragon certainly is more expensive for 35th armour than say Italeri or Hobby Boss, but that being said, there are plenty of online shops that offer quite cheap prices even including postage. I bought a couple of Dragon 35th kits from Squadron in the States and the cost of all of the kits bought at that time plus shipping was quite reasonable and competitive with having gone into a store here in Aus. I was also hours away from the nearest hobby store so it gave that convenience too. Ebay frequently has brand-new store sold Dragon stuff at reasonable prices and their figure sets are usually very well priced regardless.
Hasegawa is, on the other hand, ridiculously priced either way given they are sometimes inaccurate and give few if any stores options.
I guess for us Dragon being in China is a good thing for Australia, as is the other Far Eastern companies from South Korea, etc. I've never quite understood why Italeri is reasonably priced, given it's coming from Europe, but that's another story I suppose.
Regards,
Mav
Quote from: Maverick on January 31, 2011, 01:58:37 AM
I've never quite understood why Italeri is reasonably priced, given it's coming from Europe, but that's another story I suppose.
Regards,
Mav
Strangely Mav Italeri got a bit daft price wise in the UK. Infact the first kit I refused to buy on price grounds was their 1/48th Re 2000. When the £ got silly with the Euro they either got the calculations wrong, hedged that the £ would continue to fall or just got a bit greedy and followed Japanese UK prices. They seem to have seen a little sense now but must admit its not a manufacturer I buy a lot from.
Still as I always say "if you want a kit badly enough you will pay what they want"
Chris,
I can believe that. Hasegawan kit are ridiculously priced over here, unless they are seriously old boxings. Even their old moulds that have new decals are marketed as 'new' items and therefore 'new' kit prices. Whilst some of their stuff is great, some of it is absolute garbage to be frank, their F/A-18A/B/C/Ds come to mind.
Italeri has always been reasonably priced over here, although their PRM(?) limited run stuff is heading up there. That being said, I haven't bought Italeri stuff for a few years (except for their superlative human torpedo & motorboat), so I can't really say what their baseline kits are fetching at the moment. The two 35th naval kits were quite reasonably priced and full of extra details and references which certainly gave money for value.
I think it's just a case of marketing 'gurus' deciding to gouge modellers purely based on fluctuations in the money market, but that happens in many cases anyway.
Regards,
Mav
The Dragon Ar 234B isn't too bad it's the C that's appalling - the engine assembly is a pain and the fit to the wing is awful. I didn't like the nose to fuselage fit. IIRC, I never finished the first one but the second was assembled with it's wheels up.
A huge factor downunder is the exchange rate. Now we are at roughly parity with the US dollar, most imported goods are getting cheaper - afterall, most international exchange is done in dollars. Oz's dollar has not so much gained in value as other currencies - most notably again, the US dollar, gone down in value. Even the Euro is looking attractive lately. Interesting the Stirling has remained pretty steady against the Oz dollar trading around the 1.5 dollars to the Pound. The Yen has also stayed quite steady.
Some of Dragon's announcements for the Nuremberg Toy Fair: CLICKY! (http://www.dragon-models.com/2011Nuremberg_Toy_Fair/index.html)
The usual suspects regarding tanks, but 1/48 gets a D.H. Sea Venom FAW.21 and Blackburn Buccaneer S.2! :o
Quote from: ChernayaAkula on February 02, 2011, 09:15:17 AM
Some of Dragon's announcements for the Nuremberg Toy Fair: CLICKY! (http://www.dragon-models.com/2011Nurnbery_Toy_Fair/index.html)
The usual suspects regarding tanks, but 1/48 gets a D.H. Sea Venom FAW.21 and Blackburn Buccaneer S.2! :o
Ah, Cyber-hobby. Thanks to them, the last few months have been pretty decent for 1/700 ships that aren't another $%^&ing Bismarck. ;)
Quote from: The Wooksta! on January 31, 2011, 01:47:39 AM
Their aircraft kits are a pain to build - the Ta 152s and Ar 234s are vile fits. Any UK price tag is likely to be eyes, sockets plus and arm and a leg.
I wouldn't say they're worth the money but then for the UK buyer, NONE of the far east kits are currently worth the money given the extortionate prices being charged now. Certainly Hasegawa or Dragon. Those who say they are have more money than sense.
I had the "priviledge" of building not one but two of the Dragon 1/72 TA-152s....Beautiful detail, certainly seemed accurate, but the breakdown of the engine cowling defied any attempt to assemble without swearing, cowling collapse, more swearing, repairing, cursing, swearing, learning German so I could swear in German
AT the model, kicking the table leg repeatedly, and finally total annoyance and exasperation. Massive PITA! I'll never ever build another, even for money.
Alvis Pi
Quote from: ChernayaAkula on February 02, 2011, 09:15:17 AM
Some of Dragon's announcements for the Nuremberg Toy Fair: CLICKY! (http://www.dragon-models.com/2011Nuremberg_Toy_Fair/index.html)
The usual suspects regarding tanks, but 1/48 gets a D.H. Sea Venom FAW.21 and Blackburn Buccaneer S.2! :o
Apparently, someone on Hyperscale noted that Dragon's 1/48 aircraft have product numbers in the 5500+ range, while 5000+ are 1/72 kits. Therefore it might be possible that the two above are actually 1/72 kits.
Personally, I'd be a happy camper if they turned out to be 1/72. :party:
Not when you see the price. They're going to be pricey indeed.
Even then. Considering most shops round 'ere want around 15 EUR for the recent Airfix re-pop, I'd be happy to spend 20 or even 25 EUR for a decent Bucc. (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi107.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm309%2FChernayaAkula%2FEmoticons%2Fbanana.gif&hash=f9a5e663575bc57ee041544a70039885ff90f2bb)
Hmmn from a Ship modellers point of view, there is nothing new there from Cyber hobby, just the Albany which was announced last year and a repop of the LCS-2 as LCS-4 . Last year we had Virginia, LCS-2, Daring & Long Beach.
On the plus side perhaps Cyberhobby will get their Aircraft range out as thier releases compared to their announced kits was woeful - Just the Meteor, and the Hellcat & Helldiver are due anytime now !
Quote from: Thorvic on February 02, 2011, 12:09:09 PM
Hmmn from a Ship modellers point of view, there is nothing new there from Cyber hobby, just the Albany which was announced last year and a repop of the LCS-2 as LCS-4 . Last year we had Virginia, LCS-2, Daring & Long Beach.
On the plus side perhaps Cyberhobby will get their Aircraft range out as thier releases compared to their announced kits was woeful - Just the Meteor, and the Hellcat & Helldiver are due anytime now !
Only thing that annoyed me about LCS-4 was that it included pretty much everything I was going to scratch on to my LCS-2. :-\
:party: WOOHOO! :party: Dragon have corrected the scale of the Bucc and Sea Venom. They're now in 1/72, the One True ScaleTM! CLICKY! (http://www.dragon-models.com/2011Nuremberg_Toy_Fair/index.html)
Refer back to my earlier post re price. Eyes, sockets, kidneys.
Quote from: ChernayaAkula on February 03, 2011, 02:31:06 PM
:party: WOOHOO! :party: Dragon have corrected the scale of the Bucc and Sea Venom. They're now in 1/72, the One True ScaleTM! CLICKY! (http://www.dragon-models.com/2011Nuremberg_Toy_Fair/index.html)
Now THAT sounds promising! I'll get on to the World Bank immediately........
Why a Buccaneer S.2? Why not an S.1?
Perhaps an S2 is easier to convert to an S1 than vice versa? Plus there were more S2s than S1s and it can be done as FAA or RAF versions, whereas the S1 was only in the FAA.
Quote from: ChernayaAkula on February 02, 2011, 12:00:01 PM
Even then. Considering most shops round 'ere want around 15 EUR for the recent Airfix re-pop, I'd be happy to spend 20 or even 25 EUR for a decent Bucc. (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi107.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm309%2FChernayaAkula%2FEmoticons%2Fbanana.gif&hash=f9a5e663575bc57ee041544a70039885ff90f2bb)
I'd say double that would be closer to the mark...
Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 03, 2011, 04:29:39 PM
Perhaps an S2 is easier to convert to an S1 than vice versa? Plus there were more S2s than S1s and it can be done as FAA or RAF versions, whereas the S1 was only in the FAA.
I realise that. It just seems we have oodles of some aircraft and none of others...
Will they get the nose right on this one?
I think it also boils down to the 'popularity' of a given type. We'll always see P-51s for instance over P-38s and in the same instance P-51Ds over P-51Bs. It all boils down to saleability and the lack of cohones on the part of most mainstream manufacturers to release something exotic. Obviously the financial impact is such that they won't take the risk.
Regards,
Mav
1/72 Buccs isn't exactly something we have oodles of. Certainly not up to current industry standards ones. EDIT: Added the "current" as I forgot it earlier on. END OF EDIT
If an S.1 can be made by including a small extra sprue with the conversion bits, I'd say they'll go for it (sooner or later).
Quote from: Maverick on February 06, 2011, 04:57:36 PM<...> It all boils down to saleability and the lack of cohones on the part of most mainstream manufacturers to release something exotic. Obviously the financial impact is such that they won't take the risk.
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So it's not the lack of cohones of the manufacturers, but rather the lack of cohones of the buyers. ;) As a manufacturer, why sink tens of thousands of bucks in a kit that you know will not be bought?
Revell had the cohones to release a state of the art Hunter in 1/72 . And what happened? It bit them in the donkey! Sales were much lower than anticipated. Eduard gave us a very nice Mirage IIIC in 1/48. What happened? Sales were so poor they skipped the IIIE.
Touche Moritz, but there's the same to be said when manufacturers keep to the same glut of Shermans, Bf-109s and Bismarks. I did qualify my statement with the remark "Obviously the financial impact is such that they won't take the risk.".
Regards,
Mav
Quote from: ChernayaAkula on February 06, 2011, 10:15:21 PM
1/72 Buccs isn't exactly something we have oodles of. Certainly not up to industry standards ones.
Depends on how define "industry standards"...
Looking at some older kits, they were/are IMO quite adequate. The problem is some people seem to think they need to be JMN on them.
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If an S.1 can be made by including a small extra sprue with the conversion bits, I'd say they'll go for it (sooner or later).
One hopes. I suppose this will allow room for the aftermarket people to make a conversion kit.
Quote from: Maverick on February 06, 2011, 04:57:36 PM<...> It all boils down to saleability and the lack of cohones on the part of most mainstream manufacturers to release something exotic. Obviously the financial impact is such that they won't take the risk.
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So it's not the lack of cohones of the manufacturers, but rather the lack of cohones of the buyers. ;) As a manufacturer, why sink tens of thousands of bucks in a kit that you know will not be bought?
Revell had the cohones to release a state of the art Hunter in 1/72 . And what happened? It bit them in the donkey! Sales were much lower than anticipated. Eduard gave us a very nice Mirage IIIC in 1/48. What happened? Sales were so poor they skipped the IIIE.
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I wasn't aware that the Hunter had sold badly. Seems to have quickly become a fairly scarce kit, since they stopped production. Perhaps we should just build F-4s, teen series, F-22s and A-10s?
Quote from: rickshaw on February 06, 2011, 11:04:56 PM
Depends on how define "industry standards"...
Looking at some older kits, they were/are IMO quite adequate. The problem is some people seem to think they need to be JMN on them.
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I wasn't aware that the Hunter had sold badly. Seems to have quickly become a fairly scarce kit, since they stopped production. Perhaps we should just build F-4s, teen series, F-22s and A-10s?
Sorry, somehow the "current" in "current industry standards" got lost/was forgotten.
Some, yes, but not the Bucc. Those that are available suffer from bad fit, poor detail, raised panel lines or trenches. Nothing to with JMNs, just seeing things how they are. Even if you go all anti-JMN on them and paint them pink with green dots and Hello Kitty decals, they'll still be fit nightmares and unless you do something about it, there won't be much detail to write home about.
There
are some old kits that are absolute gems (Rev-Mon 1/72 Thuds and F-4C/D/J come to mind) and will blow their recent counterparts clean out of the water, but the Bucc just isn't one of them.
The Hunters have become scarce kits because I have a dozen of them. :wacko: That it sold badly comes directly from a Revell representative I talked to at a model show. A friend and I asked him about a Mirage III family done to the standard of their Hunter and he said they were quite disappointed with how the Hunter sold. So much for the manufacturer having the cojones to offer something exotic (and I, personally, would have considered the Hunter to be anything but) and the consumer not buying it.
It's not so much the manufacturers telling you what to build, but rather the manufacturers producing what's being asked of them
in sufficient numbers. That the teen series sells well is not the manufacturers fault. If you want something exotic, order enough of them to make production worthwhile and I'm sure some manufacturer will gladly produce them for you. If it is an economic risk, well, too bad. Wish it were different as I'd love to see new tools of 1/72 Mirage III/5/50/Kfirs/F.1/2000s, MiG-23/27 and SAAB 37 Viggens.
I'd also heard that the Hunter had been a disapointment to Revell, in terms of sales - shame as it's a very nice kit
Quote from: NARSES2 on February 07, 2011, 06:40:24 AM
I'd also heard that the Hunter had been a disapointment to Revell, in terms of sales - shame as it's a very nice kit
Has anyone attempted to figure out
why? I don't even like Hunters that much and I've got three......
No idea. All I know is Model Zone had them discounted to a fiver & they still didn't fly off the shelves.
I don't know about that. Various posters on Britmodeller were snapping them up. I myself bought 5 and I'm kicking myself for not buying more.
we at Derby only had 24 Hunters in our allocation, i personally got 16 the other 8 took 6 months to shift.......our Revell rep says that the Hunter was quite popular in the UK but sold very little in Germany, Revells no1 market, think this may be the reason !!
I have eight of them, five being the Mk 6 and the other three obviously being the Mk 9. I could easily buy more in the future once I have built a couple of the ones I have.
Gondor
One wonders if this 'popularity/sales' thing isn't slanted towards the US & Asian markets? I'd assume that the Hunter would be well received in the UK at least, if not other European countries but be a lukewarm deal for the US & Asia?
Regards,
Mav
I wonder why it's so nationalistic though? It's not like us Brits are disinterested in German or American aircraft......
It's odd this whole playing to a specific field thing. Hasegawa has no issue releasing limited run versions of their mainstream stuff that directly plays towards the Japanese market, even to the extent where they are only available in Japan. One would assume this would be economically non profitable, but they seem to release 'new' kits every year with this specific theme in mind. Ditto Hobby Boss and other Chinese companies releasing Chinese specific kits such as armour & their 32nd FT-6 trainer. Hardly the thing that the 'general' modelling public would gobble up, but still released anyway. The funny thing is, however, that Hasegawa's mainstream releases tend towards the 'traditional' types of F-16s, P-51s and Bf-109s, albeit sometimes with other nationalities released as separate 'new' boxings, whilst someone like Tamiya continues to glut the market with modern US & German WW2 vehicles but precious little anything else.
Regards,
Mav
Quote from: thedarkmaster on February 07, 2011, 01:42:43 PM
.......our Revell rep says that the Hunter was quite popular in the UK but sold very little in Germany, Revells no1 market, think this may be the reason !!
That's what I'd heard as well. One reason they modelled the Gannet was because it did have a German option
Quote from: The Wooksta! on February 07, 2011, 01:38:28 PM
I don't know about that. Various posters on Britmodeller were snapping them up. I myself bought 5 and I'm kicking myself for not buying more.
Maybe some individuals, but in my local branch they hung around for ages at that price. Saying that, I think they had a huge amount of stock to get rid of.
The daft side of the 'Hunter sales in Germany' thing is that at one time they were probably THE most numerous aircraft in German skies!
I wonder how well kits of Starfighters sell in Germany? ;)
Quote from: rickshaw on February 10, 2011, 01:49:00 AM
I wonder who well kits of Starfighters sell in Germany? ;)
They probably go down a treat.
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on February 10, 2011, 02:14:22 PM
Quote from: rickshaw on February 10, 2011, 01:49:00 AM
I wonder how well kits of Starfighters sell in Germany? ;)
They probably go down a treat.
I suppose you just make space for the model and wait for it to arrive?
I reckon they sell in spades at first with every new release, but sales usually plummet sooner or later. ;)
Quote from: ChernayaAkula on February 10, 2011, 06:12:09 PM
I reckon they sell in spades at first with every new release, but sales usually plummet sooner or later.
I thought they paid you to take a Starfighter? ;)
I've just read thru all the posts since Moritz first mentioned the Bucc & Sea Venom.... Some good observations and generally great stuff discussed sensibly here... However I would like to spoil the party by reminding all that this is the DRAGON/DML thread ;)
I mention this solely as I want to contribute, but would take the whole thing even further off-topic. :blink:
Ian
Quote from: Gondor on February 10, 2011, 02:14:22 PM
Quote from: rickshaw on February 10, 2011, 01:49:00 AM
I wonder who well kits of Starfighters sell in Germany? ;)
They probably go down a treat.
Gondor
Oh deary, deary me! :wacko:
It is just as well your canopies were posted about an hour ago!
One of the tragic ironies is that the German who signed the purchase deal to the Starfighter lost his son (a Luftwaffe pilot) in one of the first crashes.
G'day Gang,
Cyber-Hobby have released a 32nd scale 109E which looks quite good in review. Lots of decal options including the obligatory Galland and Wick along with others, all quoted as E-4s but there seems to be extra bits for other versions in the box which includes an engine.
I've put this link in here because CH is a subsidiary of the group.
http://ipmsdeutschland.de/FirstLook/cyber-hobby/CH_Messerschmitt_Bf109E-4_32/CH_Bf109E-4_32.html
Regards,
Mav
It seems Dragon is intending on releasing an injection moulded 35th scale Neubau-Fahrzeug amongst others.
http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/newkitnews/dml.html
Regards,
Mav
AND a British Army 25 pounder and limber too! :thumbsup:
Are those all new and upcoming kits Mav? I used to be No. 3 on a 25 pdr when I was in the CCF, I'd love a model of one!
Kit, Dragon has a rather annoying habit of 'announcing' an 'upcoming' model, but then casually lets the modelling public wait years or even doesn't release it at all. I'm reminded of their two LAV kits (one of a Marine Recon model and the other SF) from Desert Storm that never materialised, but were something I was very keen on seeing.
Their NbFz is another of these, but whether it makes it to plastic is another matter. I'd hope that something more 'mainstream' like the 25pdr would be a given, but as I say, Dragon can be rather capricious to say the least.
Regards,
Mav
Mav
I think you'll be ok with the NbFz as already has box art and CGI, the ones that don't see the light of day are the generally the ones with just an original photo.
ooohh NbFz, me want :wacko:
:tank:
The Neubaufahrzeug in bare plastic built from a test shot can be seen >>HERE<< (http://www.network54.com/Forum/110741/message/1301452713/DML+Neubaufahrzeug+First+Look) on Missing-Lynx.
Something about the Neubaufahrzeug's looks make it tailor-made for whiffing. Hatay, anyone? Or something for the Imperial Japanese Army? Or switch some hatches and the machine gun turrets for 1/72 equivalents and scale-o-rama it into a really heavy tank! :wacko:
Great news guys. Glad to see Dragon didn't choke on that one. It will definitely be one for the list.
I did a couple of NbFz based profiles back in the day for a pre-WW2 Cold War. Both were 'Egyptian Nationalist Army' with one being a stock NbFz and the other used the turret on a baseline Pz III chassis.
Regards,
Mav
Here's hoping it's under £50! :/
More on the NbFz here from Cookie Sewell:
http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/dml/kit_dml_6666.shtml
http://www.missing-lynx.com/reviews/german/dml6666reviewcs_1.html
Regards,
Mav
I wish they had included the over and under Rheinmetal turret, but this is still great news. Love those
multi-turrets.
They may well release that version later, or if not then an after-market conversion will surely appear at some point.
A new 1/144th J-20 Stealth!!
http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=DRA4625
wow, thats going on my list :thumbsup:
Does anyone know if the 1/144 Mi28 Havoc box 4531 is available...I searched usunig Google n found one on ebay in US of A but gonna be ridiculously exy with postage.....couldn't find a stockist listed either....two places in the States show it as a 'retired' item. I didn't know they sold it on its own....I was aware of a 'dogfight' boxing of this with an AH64A...
Dragon/Cyber-hobby are doing a 1:200 Vulcan B.2: http://www.hlj.com/product/cyvch2011
An inbox review of the Neubaufahrzeug has appeared:
http://www.modelingmadness.com/scotts/misc/military/previews/dragon/6666.htm
Regards,
Mav
It seems Dragon is due to release a 35th scale kit of the big, beautiful Mercedes-Benz Typ G4. I wonder if 'der Fuhrer' will make an appearance in styrene?
http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/newkitnews/dml.html
Regards,
Mav
Talk about "rapid prototyping":
The subject of the raid has barely hit the sea bed - and Dragon already has a kit of the chopper in the making!
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dragon-models.com%2Fcatalog%2Fdml%2Fnew%2F4628%2F4628poster.jpg&hash=fdbef781eb8e3a56199d67596bb725879a94d2ea)
LINK (http://www.dragon-models.com/html/4628poster.htm)
Blimey.....!!! Good find.....!!
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: Wrong *ing scale by 50%!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Guess I'll have to wait for Italeri to fake it in 1/72. ;D
For the price they've got, I hope there's at least two of those stealth Black Hawks in that kit.
I think the pink sticker in the bottom right of the box may help........... ;)
thats it, its going on ze list aswell ;D
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsarcasticgamer.com%2Fwp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F04%2FDads-Army-German.jpg&hash=beebf3a0e84ed19695b36d98d5d37fd486172887)
Quote from: Army of One on May 24, 2011, 08:50:11 PM
I think the pink sticker in the bottom right of the box may help........... ;)
You expect me to scroll to the right? Yeah, not happening ;D
Amongst others coming up from Dragon is one that I seriously like. A 72nd Apollo Lunar Module & Command Module. Being Dragon, it'll cost a packet I expect, but definitely a nice release.
http://www.cybermodeler.com/news/dml.shtml
Regards,
Mav
Yup. Better yet, the text says it's the first of a series of 1/72 space kits.
A bunch of those stealthawks wouls look great on the back of a stealthy littoral type boat !
:wub:
New into Hannants, a 1/72nd LVT(A)-4:
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN7388
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hannants.co.uk%2Fimages%2Ffull%2FDN7388.jpg&hash=8fa5d5cd56420a6872b04097ec53302cb738528b)
Dragon's upcoming Ka-Mi amphibious tank is reviewed on Armorama.
http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=9109
Regards,
Mav
Dragon have a new German figure set upcoming. Whilst they've done nearly every permutation of the Whermact in figures, this one is unique giving a number of different uniforms within the one set. Another of their 'individual' figure sets rather than a 'group' set.
http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=9132
Regards,
Mav
Cyber-Hobby Meteor F.1 now in at Hannants:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hannants.co.uk%2Fimages%2Ffull%2FCH5084.jpg&hash=b06b9e7a216961ce76046ad7e1572d5333357058)
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/CH5084
£28 for a 72nd Meteor? :blink: What's it cast in, gold?
No, China..... ;D
I got my Dragon Meteor F3 from Transport Models in Preston for under £20.
At that price it'd better have WORKING 1/72 scale Wellands! :banghead:
Indeed. As the saying goes, "balls to that!" - I'd be extremely reluctant to part with anything over £15 for a model that size.
Look what surfaced on SCALEMODELS.RU (http://scalemodels.ru/modules/news/img_3027_1308208331_5051posters.jpg.html)!
"Monitor" over on flugzeugforum.de found this:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscalemodels.ru%2Fimages%2F2011%2F06%2F1308208331_5051posters.jpg&hash=2dde6a78ebfe057bb51636954914ccdf6083b665)
:drink:
It'll possibly be beautiful, possibly be flawed but guaranteed to be expensive!
Thanks for sharing.
Regards,
Mav
Finally a decent Sea Vixen in 1/72nd and an FAW1 to boot (expect FAW2 to follow in 6-12 mths time) :thumbsup:.
Heres the poster from the Cyberhobby website :-
http://www.dragon-models.com/html/5051poster.htm (http://www.dragon-models.com/html/5051poster.htm)
However its not officailly announced as yet on that site or the main Dragon one ?
Quote from: Maverick on June 16, 2011, 11:22:41 PM
It'll possibly be beautiful, possibly be flawed but guaranteed to be expensive!
Indeed, being Dragon it would probably be cheaper to buy a real one, but then it wouldn't go through the hatch to my loft.....
I thought the Hiplanes Vixen was the quite decent and injection moulded, as well. ;)
This one looks well, "odd" if the fuselage contours on the model match the painting.
Getting hold of a High Planes one is quite tricky, that's the problem.
This one will no doubt be eye-wateringly pricy, though probably rather nice. I'd rather Airfix scaled their 1:48 kit down to be honest.
Judging by the cost of the Meteor, I'd put money on the Airfix 48th kit being the cheaper option. I wouldn't part with any cash as A: I've a High Planes one anyway and that's good enough for a detailed one, and B for whiffing, the Frog/Novo one is a better option anyway.
And finally following on from last years LCS-2 & 4 trimaran kits Cyberhobby have now announced the other LCS design LCS-1 USS Freedom.
http://www.dragon-models.com/html/7095poster.htm (http://www.dragon-models.com/html/7095poster.htm)
G
A description of Dragon's 72nd scale LM & CSM on their site.
http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=DRW50381
Regards,
Mav
Quote from: Maverick on June 20, 2011, 10:30:09 PM
A description of Dragon's 72nd scale LM & CSM on their site.
http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=DRW50381
Regards,
Mav
They are also releasing this as a kit as well as a ready made too :-
http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=DRA11002 (http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=DRA11002)
G
Quote from: Thorvic on June 19, 2011, 12:20:50 AM
And finally following on from last years LCS-2 & 4 trimaran kits Cyberhobby have now announced the other LCS design LCS-1 USS Freedom.
http://www.dragon-models.com/html/7095poster.htm (http://www.dragon-models.com/html/7095poster.htm)
G
Bought dang time!!! I can finally build a non-Whiff ship with that kit (USS Detroit LCS-7). Can't wait till she's completed and makes stops along the St. Claire and Detroit Rivers on its way to the Atlantic (hopefully she makes the stops, only appropriate as she'd be passing through her namesake).
Quote from: pyro-manic on April 20, 2011, 05:12:51 PM
Dragon/Cyber-hobby are doing a 1:200 Vulcan B.2: http://www.hlj.com/product/cyvch2011
Sprue shots here:
http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t71389.html
Due any time.
That might make a lot of wilder whiffs an economic possibility.... :thumbsup:
I'd stick with the Airfix one as they're not that expensive to start with and generally can be picked up for about a tenner or so second hand.
Quote from: Weaver on June 26, 2011, 07:27:09 AM
Quote from: pyro-manic on April 20, 2011, 05:12:51 PM
Dragon/Cyber-hobby are doing a 1:200 Vulcan B.2: http://www.hlj.com/product/cyvch2011
Sprue shots here:
http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t71389.html
Due any time.
That might make a lot of wilder whiffs an economic possibility.... :thumbsup:
Personally, I'd prefer a good injection 1/144 scale one. 1/200 is a bit small for my liking. I have enough problems seeing the 1/144 pieces!
Dragon's little floaty Ka-Mi is available for review.
http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/dml/kit_dml_6678.shtml
Regards,
Mav
1/200 YB-49 and B-70:
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It's a pity they have chosen the unusual 1:200 instead of 1:144 for these kits.
Quote from: Hobbes on July 01, 2011, 12:00:59 PM
It's a pity they have chosen the unusual 1:200 instead of 1:144 for these kits.
Not really, as these are in their
Dragon Wings-Warbirds pre-painted collectors product line aka 'diecasts' (even though these days many are not actually diecast metal).
http://www.dragon-models.com/catalog/warbirds/
1/200th is a big player in that market.
The 1/200th Cyber-Hobby Vulcan 'kit' is a kit version of the Dragon Wings Vulcan 'diecast', so these may become available later in a Cyber-Hobby box.
That XB-70 needs a 1/72nd scale bubble canopy sticking on it and some weapons of the same scale stuck under the wings
Chris.
Dragon's Spanish 'Blue Division' Troops are available for review on Armorama.
http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=6521
Also, Cyber-Hobby's Neubaufahrzeug is up.
http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=6512
Regards,
Mav
Dragon's Ka-Mi amphibious tank is up for review on Modeling Madness.
http://www.modelingmadness.com/scotts/misc/military/previews/dragon/6678.htm
Regards,
Mav
New to me, Cyber-Hobby have an F6F-5N up for release. Quite steeply priced, but quite within Dragon's 'boutique' price structure (inflated as it might be).
http://www.modelingmadness.com/scotts/allies/previews/dragon/5080.htm
Regards,
Mav
Another one of Dragon's excellent figure sets, this instance being four individual figures rather than the usual four of the same grouping. I actually like this concept as it gives variety to uniforms, equipment, etc.
http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/figures/dml/kit_dml_6703.shtml
Regards,
Mav
Another Dragon figure set like the one above, although this one features all SS troopies.
http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=9425
Regards,
Mav
A bunch of new releases for Dragon, including the aforementioned SS troops and an SAS Jeep and 25lbr, which should prove an interesting counterpoint to the older Tamiya kits.
http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/newkitnews/dml.html
Regards,
Mav
That G4 looks to be pretty sweet. I can think of all sorts of things to do with that...
I'm actually surprised they haven't shown box art with a car-load of brasshats and Adolph. Perhaps there'll be a few done as the art is only a basic CAD drawing at the moment. I'd like to do one up as a Brandenberger LRDG equivalent.
Regards,
Mav
Cyber-Hobby's SAS Jeep is up for review. Unfortunately, it looks as if it's limited to a specific version rather than the older Tamiya kit which was replete with various extra bits. I'm unsure if they're providing a crew, but it'd be another poor showing from Dragon's 'boutique' line if that were the case.
http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=9446
Regards,
Mav
Well at least we know why the USS Albany and USS Freedom haven't yet appeared, the Cyber Hobby sea power branch are pushing to release USS New York LPD-21 of the San Antonio class for September for the 10th Anniversary of 9/11 as the ship used steel salvaged from the Twin Towers in its building.
http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=CHC7110 (http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=CHC7110)
Nice to finally get an LPD kit in this scale as all others have been expensive resin productions and it appears Cyber Hobby have beaten Hobby Boss to release.
Quote from: Thorvic on June 19, 2011, 12:20:50 AM
And finally following on from last years LCS-2 & 4 trimaran kits Cyberhobby have now announced the other LCS design LCS-1 USS Freedom.
http://www.dragon-models.com/html/7095poster.htm (http://www.dragon-models.com/html/7095poster.htm)
G
The Cyber-Hobby 1/700 LCS-1 USS Freedom appears to be in stock now at Hobbysearch Japan. Will go nicely with the LCS-2 ships and the new San Antonio class but i can't help thinking the LCS-1 is more like an armed luxury yacht :-\
1/114th scale J-20 Stealth Fighter:
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http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN4625
Dragon is doing the first kit of the J-15 Flying Shark, unfortunately it looks like its their 1/144th Su37 with a tail hook added. I'm not a rivet counter but it just looks very wrong, nice box art though! http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=DRA4627
Paul Harrison
Quote from: Green Dragon on September 10, 2011, 03:19:15 PM
<...> unfortunately it looks like its their 1/144th Su37 with a tail hook added. <...>
Yuck! :o Why did they even bother? :banghead: Apart from only vaguely resembling a Flanker, it's also woefully under-scale (around 1/163).
Any one interested in a 1/72 Saturn V?
http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=DRW50388
Only stands 1.5 metres tall!
Hmm,.................big box....................... ;D
My first reaction to that was 'what were they thinking?'. I didn't think there'd be much demand for another huge Saturn V (with the Revell 1/96 already filling that niche).
Mmm, now that i do fancy especially in 72 scale :wacko:
They have done a full range of Apollo craft in 1/72nd so i think the full Saturn V wae really to go with those
Quote from: Thorvic on December 04, 2011, 03:16:51 AM
They have done a full range of Apollo craft in 1/72nd so i think the full Saturn V wae really to go with those
AIUI, its a case of completing the set. They already had a 1/72 Lunar Lander, a 1/72 Command Module, so all they needed as a booster to go with them!
According to blurb on Britmodeller, the Sea Venom suffers from the intakes being designed upside down. See the released CAD shots.
Another one for fans of "forgotten era" ships, the USS Albany, in all her awkwardly refitted gloriousness:
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http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/CH7097
"That niche" is fine if you're into 1/96 scale. I've built it & the Estes 1/100 flying/static Saturn V & have a 1/70 flying/static Saturn V in my stash, but I welcome this 1/72 injected kit.
Quote from: Hobbes on December 04, 2011, 02:59:36 AM
My first reaction to that was 'what were they thinking?'. I didn't think there'd be much demand for another huge Saturn V (with the Revell 1/96 already filling that niche).
Dragon under their Cyberhobby label are doing a 2nd issue of the Type 45 with the Merlin (HC3 rather than HM1 :angry:) and Phalanx fitted as the Type 45 Batch II with decals for the last 3 ships boxed as .... HMS Dragon !!! (I suspected they would when they only had decals for the first 3 ships as they are bound to use box art with the Dragon logo on the bows ;D)
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For the Type 21 they announced they have decided upon the late HMS Antelope
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Their initial CAD shots of the Junglie Seaking HC4 look interesting as they show the helicopter with its blades folded and the crew access door open which is a nice touch for a 72nd Sea King. still early days yet so we will have to see how it develops, but despite the price i think i shal certainly be getting one.
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Be nice to see that Commando Sea King. Although it would be hard to beat the RoG one, if you ask me.....
:cheers:
http://www.dragon-models.com/d-m-item.asp?pid=DRA6750 (http://www.dragon-models.com/d-m-item.asp?pid=DRA6750)
First Meng produce the British A-39 Tortoise Super Heavy Tank and now we have Dragon doing the US Army T-28 Super Heavy Tank, should make for a nice selection with the Maus, Hunting Tiger (not sure if the recent Soviet Su-152s are in the same bracket of Super Tank Destroyers ?)
G
While I've always thought the T-28/T-95 was a bit impractical, I still think it's a cool looking vehicle. I'll definitely have to add this kit to my "want to build" list.
Hopefully, this bodes well for other US prototype armor like the T-23 and T-25 mediums, T-14 assault tank and the Pershing-based heavies such as the T-29 et al.
I'm just hoping that Dragon comes out with a 1/72 scale version down the road. The T-95 has been on my want list for ages.
Having scanned the parts diagram, I think she would look pretty awesome with just one set of tracks ! Leavinbg all sorts of bits for future whifs.....
Dragon are following up their US M-103 MBT in their Black Label kit with a new 1/35th scale kit of the MBT-70 in what appears to be the West German configuration :thumbsup:. Hopefully they might consider doing the British Conqueror and late Chieftain tanks to fill out this Cold War range of Heavy tanks ;)
Quote from: Thorvic on December 04, 2013, 12:26:15 AM
Dragon are following up their US M-103 MBT in their Black Label kit with a new 1/35th scale kit of the MBT-70 in what appears to be the West German configuration :thumbsup:.
That would be cool! :thumbsup: Great whif potential.
Has something happened to Dragon and/or their importer? The reason I ask is that Hannant's latest newsletter has the following:
Quote
Message; We have just updated our Dragon listings. We have bought all available stock of these kits from the importer. We cannot buy anymore of these. Get them while you can! http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?adv=1&product_category_id=108&product_division_id=&manufacturer_id=7984&product_type_id=&code=&scale_id=&keyword_search=discontinued&setPerPage=25&sort=0&search_direction=0&restore_search=&save_search_active=yes&save_search_name=&save_search=
Of course it could just mean that it's this list of kits that's discontinued, but it's a big list (62 items).... :unsure:
I've asked my LHS a few times about getting some in and he never has.....maybe a connection ?
:banghead:
Quote from: Thorvic on December 04, 2013, 12:26:15 AM
Dragon are following up their US M-103 MBT in their Black Label kit with a new 1/35th scale kit of the MBT-70 in what appears to be the West German configuration :thumbsup:. Hopefully they might consider doing the British Conqueror and late Chieftain tanks to fill out this Cold War range of Heavy tanks ;)
This is now in stock at Hannants:
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http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN3550
Hope for the armour folks that it isn't a pig's breakfast like the M-103.....
Dragon is going to be doing a 1/35 Saladin. ;) :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Oh Nice :thumbsup:
Gondor
Dragon have done another 1/72nd Saturn V, this time with the Skylab top end:
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http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN11021
Okay, a lot of money but it's a lot of plastic (it'll be up to my shoulders) and will be a very impressive model.
Quote from: Weaver on July 07, 2014, 03:01:02 PM
Dragon have done another 1/72nd Saturn V, this time with the Skylab top end:
I didn't even know they'd done a Saturn V in 1/72 at all! That's got to be one SERIOUSLY impressive model when built. :o
Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 08, 2014, 03:54:16 AM
Quote from: Weaver on July 07, 2014, 03:01:02 PM
Dragon have done another 1/72nd Saturn V, this time with the Skylab top end:
I didn't even know they'd done a Saturn V in 1/72 at all! That's got to be one SERIOUSLY impressive model when built. :o
Yep - reply #243 on this thread.
Don't expect to see either of these towering over Che Weaver any time soon......
Could make an interesting conversation with a show organiser couldn't it?
"How many tables do you want?"
"Three table spaces, but only two tables, please."
"So that's three tables...."
"No TWO tables and a table-sized piece of floor...."
Quote from: Weaver on July 08, 2014, 04:18:52 AM
Yep - reply #243 on this thread.
Thanks for that, with some extra cash I could be tempted, it'd make a great pairing with a 'full stack' Shuttle.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 08, 2014, 03:54:16 AM
I didn't even know they'd done a Saturn V in 1/72 at all! That's got to be one SERIOUSLY impressive model when built. :o
Well, it's big but according to the space modeling forums I visit, there are some pretty big errors in the kit.
Quote from: Hobbes on July 08, 2014, 05:47:53 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 08, 2014, 03:54:16 AM
I didn't even know they'd done a Saturn V in 1/72 at all! That's got to be one SERIOUSLY impressive model when built. :o
Well, it's big but according to the space modeling forums I visit, there are some pretty big errors in the kit.
It's a Dragon kit, it goes with the territory......
This just in at Hannants:
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http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN6789
Wonder what's wrong with this one................... :rolleyes:
I had to look that one up in my Big Boys Book of US Tanks
In at Hannants (don't know if they're new or not, but they are interesting):
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http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN11012
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http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN5030
New range of 1/24th and 1/9th scale film fantasy/sci-fi figures (too many to put all the pics up):
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Dragon (fictional)
Film, Science Fiction or TV related
DN35801 1:24 Iron Man 3 - Mark 42 Prehensile Suit Version 1 £9.99 £8.33
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN35801
Dragon (fictional)
Film, Science Fiction or TV related
DN35802 1:24 Iron Man 3 - Mark 40 Hyper Velocity Suit "Shotgun" £9.99 £8.33
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN35802
Dragon (fictional)
Film, Science Fiction or TV related
DN35803 1:24 Iron Man 3 - Mark 16 Black Stealth Suit "Nightclub" £9.99 £8.33
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN35803
Dragon (fictional)
Film, Science Fiction or TV related
DN35804 1:24 Iron Man 3 - Mark 35 Disaster Rescue Suit "Red Snapper" £9.99 £8.33
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN35804
Dragon (fictional)
Film, Science Fiction or TV related
DN38118 1:9 Iron Man Mark XLII Battle Damaged Version - Vignette - With special light up features. £197.99 £164.99
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN38118
Dragon (fictional)
Film, Science Fiction or TV related
DN38120 1:9 Thor: The Dark World - Vignette £108.00 £90.00
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN38120
Dragon (fictional)
Film, Science Fiction or TV related
DN38124 1:9 Iron Man Mk XXXVIII Igor - Vignette £170.00 £141.67
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN38124
Dragon (fictional)
Film, Science Fiction or TV related
DN38329 1:9 Thorin Oakenshield from The Hobbit £54.99 £45.83
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN38329
Dragon (fictional)
Film, Science Fiction or TV related
DN38331 1:9 Iron Man Mk.21 "Midas" Electroplated.
The Mark 21 (XXI), also known as "Midas", is a High-Altitude Suit, and was one of the many newly-built suits created by Tony Stark sometime after the events of The Avengers. £64.99 £54.16
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN38331
Dragon (fictional)
Film, Science Fiction or TV related
DN38332 1:9 Iron Man Mk.22 "Hot Rod"
The suit earned it's name the "Hotrod", because of its flame like custom design on it's arms and legs plates, which is where it's name is derived from, because of it's appearance that resembles that of a "Hotrod". It was made to have the same defense as the first war machine suit, but with 1/3 of the weight. £49.99 £41.66
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN38332
Dragon (fictional)
Film, Science Fiction or TV related
DN38334 1:9 Iron Man Mk XXXVIII Igor £59.99 £49.99
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN38334
Got that Droop Snoot from the first time they released it
I wasn't too impressed with their rendering of it.
No interior detail and they bodged the side windows.
Any word on if this one is an improvement?
Quote from: kitnut617 on August 17, 2014, 06:20:01 AM
Got that Droop Snoot from the first time they released it
New in at the Big H:
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http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN7141
Ugliest ship ever... :-X
No doubt the bridge ennunciator has an extra step above 'Flank Speed' entitled 'Ramming Speed' with a bow shaped like that. :o
What do they mean Iron Man is fictional? :unsure:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 26, 2014, 12:24:37 AM
No doubt the bridge ennunciator has an extra step above 'Flank Speed' entitled 'Ramming Speed' with a bow shaped like that. :o
Unlikely as instead of a ram below the water it has the rather bulbous sonar dome which sort of bugger up that nice cutting edge bow.
Trouble is it's a bit of a lemon as it was the next gen Cruiser/destroyer design to go with the new CVN and LCS, but in cramming it with land attack missiles and guns, they only went with the smaller local air defence missiles rather than Area Air Defence, and they spent so much money designing them that only three have been ordered and they have gone back to another batch of Burkes as a stopgap.
Couple this with the Littoral Combat Ship farce and it makes you wonder what the USN were smoking as they put almost all their surface warship plans into two Littoral focused vessels types and left nothing for the mainstream deep water navy (Yes the Littoral focus does bring a new edge to the Navy to mix it with these third world conflict hot spots, but they still needed to develop general purpose Frigates and Destroyers too and not put all the money into rather expensive designs intended for coastal warfare where they are quite likely to be targets themselves!)
Looks like a submarine to me, seriously. All it needs is a periscope or two sticking out of the bridge
Quote from: NARSES2 on August 26, 2014, 07:12:13 AM
Looks like a submarine to me, seriously. All it needs is a periscope or two sticking out of the bridge
It's a bit like the Nautilus in "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen"
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on August 26, 2014, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on August 26, 2014, 07:12:13 AM
Looks like a submarine to me, seriously. All it needs is a periscope or two sticking out of the bridge
It's a bit like the Nautilus in "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen"
Gondor
Maybe that's where they got the design from....
Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 26, 2014, 12:24:37 AM
No doubt the bridge ennunciator has an extra step above 'Flank Speed' entitled 'Ramming Speed' with a bow shaped like that. :o
I've been thinking about the concept of "flank speed". Is there a definition anywhere? What does it actually _mean_? We recognise it as meaning, "bloody fast" but is there a specific meaning to the term? Does anybody know?
QuoteFlank speed is a nautical term referring to a ship's true maximum speed. Usually, flank speed is reserved for situations in which a ship finds itself in imminent danger, such as coming under attack by aircraft. Flank speed is very fuel-inefficient and often unsustainable because of engine overheating issues.
'Tis an Americanism, according to here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flank_speed), the source of the above.
So basically, "floor it!" but it may burn through all your fuel very quickly, and/or actually damage the ship if sustained for too long.
Quote from: pyro-manic on August 28, 2014, 05:01:20 PM
QuoteFlank speed is a nautical term referring to a ship's true maximum speed. Usually, flank speed is reserved for situations in which a ship finds itself in imminent danger, such as coming under attack by aircraft. Flank speed is very fuel-inefficient and often unsustainable because of engine overheating issues.
'Tis an Americanism, according to here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flank_speed), the source of the above.
So basically, "floor it!" but it may burn through all your fuel very quickly, and/or actually damage the ship if sustained for too long.
The Royal Navy equivalent being "Maximum revolutions, please, chief " and the chief engineer sends a heavy member of staff to sit on the safety valves.
It still doesn't say where the term came from. Something to do with 'out flanking' the enemy maybe, or is that more a land based term?
Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 29, 2014, 08:48:54 AM
It still doesn't say where the term came from. Something to do with 'out flanking' the enemy maybe, or is that more a land based term?
I'm sure that I read somewhere, somewhen, that it was a term associated with cattle droving.
The FLANKERS were said to be the chaps who rode along the flanks of the herd, and were the ones that had to be capable of high speed movement in order to keep the herd together and moving in a coherent mass
It might be true, but the idea might also be a group of elderly shoe-makers (load of old cobblers)
Maybe overtaking the rest of the fleet (moving at "fleet speed") by moving up the flanks?
No mention in Admiral Luce's Seamanship, 4th edition 1898 (1950 reprint), which was the text
used at Annapolis.
After some digging, the leading hypothesis of term origin is that it came from the WWI era
USN destroyer squadrons and was in reference to making maximum speed to get on the
flank of an approaching enemy. Which, I suppose, would hypothetically then put one in
position to start a torpedo run.
Quote from: Rheged on August 29, 2014, 09:06:21 AM
I'm sure that I read somewhere, somewhen, that it was a term associated with cattle droving.
The FLANKERS were said to be the chaps who rode along the flanks of the herd, and were the ones that had to be capable of high speed movement in order to keep the herd together and moving in a coherent mass
It might be true, but the idea might also be a group of elderly shoe-makers (load of old cobblers)
Hmm! not heard (pun intended) of that one, over here in the west they're called 'outriders' afaik. They also took it in turns where they ride on a cattle drive
This is interesting. You often take for granted a phrase you hear without really thinking of it's derivation.
I for one like the WWI hypothesis. Stands up to me, and even if not actually WWI it could come from the immediate WWI torpedo boat era
I immediately assumed it was a horse riding term relating to whipping your horses flank to get it to go as fast a possible.
Goggling did not confirm my hypothesis.
If you were on the flank of a formation (of ships, cavalry, or even of a marching band for that matter) and the formation makes a turn then those on the outside flank have to go faster then those on the inside of the turn. If you want to maintain the formation then the maximum turn radius whilst doing so is therefore limited by the max speed of the outside flankers.
Could this be a possible derivation?
I'm rather surprised to find no dedicated thread on Dragon products, so it seems I'll need to start one.
Dragon have just released their 1/35 scale Alvis Saladin:
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Considering the problems with the other "Black Label" products, I have no idea as to it's accurary beyond that the box picture looks rather nice and it seems to have got the right number of wheels. Click on the picture for the announcement on Dragon Models USA site.
Pity it's so expensive, though. :banghead:
Oh that's pretty cool ! I always thought they were bigger !
:tank:
Quote from: Captain Canada on December 29, 2014, 06:42:14 PM
Oh that's pretty cool ! I always thought they were bigger !
:tank:
All the other vehicles on the Saladin chassis ARE bigger, but that's just because they have larger bodies on top.
I wonder how soon before we see a Saracen? I forgot to mention a price. ~$Aus70.00 on Evilbay (where I first noticed them). Which is significantly cheaper than the silly money the old Tamiya ones go for but still much more than I think a vehicle of this size is worth.
Roll on a Stalwart. I did some work on the early ones and I'd love to model one, but can't afford the sky high prices of the current low production ones.
Just sort by Subject and you find Dragon, so i merged this into the main topic.
Following on from the Saladin, they have the British Conqueror MBT due out in 1/35th, so a nice BAOR heavyweight to play with, could be fun updating for Whiff use.
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Also recently released in the Black Label line in 1/72nd is the M65 Atomic Cannon !!
http://dragon-models.com/d-m-item.asp?pid=DRA7484 (http://dragon-models.com/d-m-item.asp?pid=DRA7484)
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The M65 is out
http://www.hobbyeasy.com/en/data/97gqebbtdlbcwig2or6i.html?t=1419943314 (http://www.hobbyeasy.com/en/data/97gqebbtdlbcwig2or6i.html?t=1419943314)
Price is rather excessive however :-\
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 30, 2014, 02:00:05 AM
Roll on a Stalwart. I did some work on the early ones and I'd love to model one, but can't afford the sky high prices of the current low production ones.
Accurate Armour do the Stalwart in 1/35 http://www.accurate-armour.com/ShowProduct.cfm?manufacturer=0&category=14&subcategory=234&product=2126
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on December 30, 2014, 05:18:29 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 30, 2014, 02:00:05 AM
Roll on a Stalwart. I did some work on the early ones and I'd love to model one, but can't afford the sky high prices of the current low production ones.
Accurate Armour do the Stalwart in 1/35 http://www.accurate-armour.com/ShowProduct.cfm?manufacturer=0&category=14&subcategory=234&product=2126
Gondor
Yes I know, that's the one that triggered my comment about 'sky high prices'...........
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 30, 2014, 07:16:17 AM
Quote from: Gondor on December 30, 2014, 05:18:29 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 30, 2014, 02:00:05 AM
Roll on a Stalwart. I did some work on the early ones and I'd love to model one, but can't afford the sky high prices of the current low production ones.
Accurate Armour do the Stalwart in 1/35 http://www.accurate-armour.com/ShowProduct.cfm?manufacturer=0&category=14&subcategory=234&product=2126
Gondor
Yes I know, that's the one that triggered my comment about 'sky high prices'...........
Well it is resin with maybe some white metal in there as well which explains why its so expensive.
Gondor
Some really neat stuff ! But yes, that 72nd scale cannon is hugely expensive ! I wouldn't mind a Conqueror tho. Love big tanks.
:cheers:
conqueror amd saladin for me :thumbsup:, wonder if I could put the conqueror in berlin block for extra confusion
Quote from: Steel Penguin on December 31, 2014, 08:46:25 AM
I could put the conqueror in berlin block for extra confusion
YES, YES, YES !!!!!!!!!!!
I just wish it was 1/72-76 scale.
I used to work with a guy who had been a tactical PR pilot with the RAF (never did ask what type he flew) he said that you did not have to actually recognise the Conqueror just look for any BL**DY big tank.
Quote from: Steel Penguin on December 31, 2014, 08:46:25 AM
conqueror amd saladin for me :thumbsup:, wonder if I could put the conqueror in berlin block for extra confusion
I knew you'd think of that ;D
Quote from: JayBee on December 31, 2014, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: Steel Penguin on December 31, 2014, 08:46:25 AM
I could put the conqueror in berlin block for extra confusion
YES, YES, YES !!!!!!!!!!!
I just wish it was 1/72-76 scale.
I used to work with a guy who had been a tactical PR pilot with the RAF (never did ask what type he flew) he said that you did not have to actually recognise the Conqueror just look for any BL**DY big tank.
Jim you can get them in resin in either 72nd or 76th from Cromwell Models.
Hopefully Dragon will scale theirs down to 72nd at some stage
:blink: im becoming predictable !! eeep ;D
couldn't see anything on the dragon site regarding it ( I admit I didn't look that hard ) but its nice to see some of the British stuff, and the saladins will be nice for the not quite tank look they have.
Saladin is out: http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=DRA3554
No word yet on how accurate or inaccurate it is....(have to say, nothing's leapt out at me yet)
Wonder how long it will take the aftermarket to get reverse-flow cooling mods and Omani-theatre stowage baskets out?
In-box review of the Saladin by Cookie Sewell on HyperScale: LINK! (http://www.missing-lynx.com/reviews/modern/dml3554reviewcs_1.html)
Verdict:
Quote from: Cookie SewellOverall this is a nicely done kit, but a few more details would have been appreciated for the price.
Can't help but wish this one would've been done by Hobby Boss or Trumpeter. Same level of detail at a better price. :wacko:
Does sound a little disappointing, but would still make for a really nice looking model !
:cheers:
Actually, sounds encouraging. 'bout time there was a new Saladin available and hopefully we'll see Saracen/Stalwart/Salamander in the future. No major problems just a few minor niggles IMO. Some crew figures to fill the hatches would have been nice. :thumbsup:
And detail on the insides of the hatches, at least! :banghead:
I'll probably end up buying one but I'll hold off building it until some after-marketeer brings out a detail/upgrade set before building it. :thumbsup:
M6 Heavy Tank now half price at Hannants:
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http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN6789
Good deal ! You guys are lucky to have that over there :wub:
Don't think this is new as such, but I just noticed that even though it's described as German WWII infantry weapons, it actually contains some really rare Czech, Hungarian and Finnish items:
(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/DN3816.jpg)
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN3816
Angled deck Essex in 1/700th:
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https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN7064
The very first angled deck IIRC.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 04, 2015, 03:00:05 AM
The very first angled deck IIRC.
Nope, the first actual conversion, the RN proved the concept by painting the angle on. The USN were able to do a full mod as the Essex were wooden flightdecks where as a Brit ish carrrier had steel decks and the flight deck was the strength deck where the US ones were the Hanger deck so it was a more involved refit to reposition the arrestor gear to match the angle.
Quote from: Thorvic on November 04, 2015, 03:41:08 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 04, 2015, 03:00:05 AM
The very first angled deck IIRC.
Nope, the first actual conversion, the RN proved the concept by painting the angle on. The USN were able to do a full mod as the Essex were wooden flightdecks where as a Brit ish carrrier had steel decks and the flight deck was the strength deck where the US ones were the Hanger deck so it was a more involved refit to reposition the arrestor gear to match the angle.
That's what I meant, the first angled deck built as such.............
Nice ! Love the early angled decks. I'd like to someday do one in 350th scale.
:cheers:
That's cool - especially if it has the Sikorsky with it. I'd love to see an "at sea" diorama with the chopper hovering off the side. Cool.
Quote from: KiwiZac on November 04, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
That's cool - especially if it has the Sikorsky with it. I'd love to see an "at sea" diorama with the chopper hovering off the side. Cool.
Yeap it does, he's a review of its first release
http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/cv/cv-36/700-dr/dragon-review.html (http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/cv/cv-36/700-dr/dragon-review.html)
I don't know who is more excited.....me or my son Max......Dragon have announced a 'Phase 1' range of Star Wars kits in 1/144....to include the Millenium Falcon, Tie fighters, x wings, AT-ST and AT-AT.......if that ain't enough....in 1/35 a snow speeder and an AT-AT.....just wondering of the size of it let alone the price........
I've been following Dragon's Star Wars teases on Facebook and Twitter for some time, I think my excitement challenges yours and Max's! A very exciting prospect.
Quote from: KiwiZac on May 05, 2016, 04:03:57 PM
I've been following Dragon's Star Wars teases on Facebook and Twitter for some time, I think my excitement challenges yours and Max's! A very exciting prospect.
Why ? !!!!!
Dragon are not really know for being sticklers for accuracy and even correct scaling !!!! - I much prefer the Bandai 1/72 kits
In truth.....excited for Max.....the look on his face was fantastic when I showed him the pics of the walker.....he loves the proper three SW films and the Battle of Hoth being amongst his favourite scenes. To him, if its on four legs, has a boxy type body and a movable head with frickin lasers on it.....it's an AT-AT......it's probably going to be out of his price range anyway......... ;D
Quote from: Army of One on May 06, 2016, 01:56:22 AM
In truth.....excited for Max.....the look on his face was fantastic when I showed him the pics of the walker.....he loves the proper three SW films and the Battle of Hoth being amongst his favourite scenes. To him, if its on four legs, has a boxy type body and a movable head with frickin lasers on it.....it's an AT-AT......it's probably going to be out of his price range anyway......... ;D
And if it's moulded by Dragon the bits won't fit and there'll be 3-4 that aren't mentioned in the instructions anyway......
Cool. I'll have to go check that out ! I'd love to build an AT-AT and or and AT-ST dio.
:cheers:
I can't find anything on their Star Wars kits nor the Shangri-La ?
:blink:
Quote from: Captain Canada on May 06, 2016, 05:11:05 AM
I can't find anything on their Star Wars kits nor the Shangri-La ?
:blink:
You trying to find Shangri-La ? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Army of One on May 05, 2016, 03:17:52 PM
I don't know who is more excited.....me or my son Max.....
You, definitely you ;D ;D
Hope this works......
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Quote from: PR19_Kit on May 06, 2016, 03:27:05 AM
Quote from: Army of One on May 06, 2016, 01:56:22 AM
In truth.....excited for Max.....the look on his face was fantastic when I showed him the pics of the walker.....he loves the proper three SW films and the Battle of Hoth being amongst his favourite scenes. To him, if its on four legs, has a boxy type body and a movable head with frickin lasers on it.....it's an AT-AT......it's probably going to be out of his price range anyway......... ;D
And if it's moulded by Dragon the bits won't fit and there'll be 3-4 that aren't mentioned in the instructions anyway......
With Dragon I wouldn't bank on it having four legs.....
An AT-ST then........ ;D
Quote from: Army of One on May 06, 2016, 01:42:30 PM
An AT-ST then........ ;D
Wouldn't bank on it having only two either.... ;)
going back to post 306 on P21 id not recommend the Conqueror. some of the parts don't fit without heavy filing ( the back plate of the hull for starters) the mounts and arms, to hang the bazooka plate off of have tiny contact points, and will fall off afterwards with a look.
considering this is a "Black Label" kit which is supposed to be a sign of a higher quality kit, my opinion is pretty low.
I wouldn't get another.
Quote from: Steel Penguin on August 06, 2017, 01:25:55 PM
going back to post 306 on P21 id not recommend the Conqueror. some of the parts don't fit without heavy filing ( the back plate of the hull for starters) the mounts and arms, to hang the bazooka plate off of have tiny contact points, and will fall off afterwards with a look.
considering this is a "Black Label" kit which is supposed to be a sign of a higher quality kit, my opinion is pretty low.
I wouldn't get another.
Black label is not higher quality just a more unusual subject matter that's all. The Amusing Hobby Conqueror is supposed to be a better and more accurate model.
Dragon's 2018 Catalogue seems to suggest their 1/144 B-1B kit is back in production. Does anyone have any corroborating evidence to support this? It doesn't seem to be out yet, so I'm wondering if there's been any sort of announcement as to when it will hit shelves?
Quote from: Weaver on May 06, 2016, 04:05:47 PM
Quote from: Army of One on May 06, 2016, 01:42:30 PM
An AT-ST then........ ;D
Wouldn't bank on it having only two either.... ;)
A three legged one, as developed by the Manx Armed Forces.!!