I had an idea about doing an F-84F in RAF markings, under the premise that in the 50's the USA would only fund NATO nations (MDAP?) if they bought US products (shame on them). If that was the case what colour schemes would you suggest, and if it was fitted with British equipment (MB seat etc), what weapons would it carry?
Over to you....
Colin
Raspberry Ripple.
Think the RAF would have used it as a bomb truck, so couple of drop tanks and the old style RP's, double or triple mounted ?
As for scheme's grey/green/pr blue ? Think she would look good in that scheme in 2 TAF markings
Chris
I agree with Narses, and 4 Sqn markings would be good.....or one of the other squadrons based in Germany?
What about a variation in markings and having a RAuxAF unit, but same camouflage?
For some variation, have the basic camo overpainted with whitewash for an exercise in Norway?
Nice idea......where's the Revell/Monogram F-84F?
Danish F-84Gs actually flew in that scheme, so it's entriely appropriate for a Germany based aircraft
The F-84F was surely no dogfighter. Lead Sled, as it was called. Good for going fast down low, but not an airplane to mix it up, at least compared to lots of other contemporaries.
I'd think pretty much any contemporary RAF scheme (I like the MEAF DE/MS!) would look good on it. Maybe even NMF with some wildly colorful squadron markings??
J
I thought the F-100 was the Lead Sled? :huh:
Vampire or Venom Squadrons would be the ones!
If it had service with the RAuxAF in the late fifties, early sixties, it could have rather worn and eroded camouflage, but with bright spine and fin/rudder markings.
As the RAF couldn't afford the F-84F together with the specialised RF-84F, then some units like 2 Sqn used a specially modified store for under the inner port pylon for recon purposes.
These versions wore a pale-pinky-grey colour for low-level usage, similar to those used in 1944 on Spitfire FR.IXs.
Don't forget that 112 Sqn, based in Egypt after Nasser was overthrown and British dominance in the Middle East was secured, had Dark Earth, Light Stone over Azure Blue colours (gloss, but after a very short time, this became matt and very scoured) with large Shark mouths.
Also, 80 Sqn in the Far East adopted Dark Earth instead of Dark Grey giving a scheme similar to that used during SEAC. The white bands on the former scheme weren't used, BUT were rumopured to have been initially painted. National insignia was standard red/white/blue, but of a very reduced size.
Did you know that those F-84Fs used on the East coast (a small number at the end of their service lives) wore a mid grey colour scheme all over, although some had light grey undersurfaces. The colours generally weathered very much and there were examples of extreme weathering in places, especially after flying around Scarborough. The national markings on these were low-visibility, generally dark blue and red, but also pink and light blue were noted.
Nose art....don't forget the nose art :lol:
How about a RF-84F in PRU Blue?
QuoteHow about a RF-84F in PRU Blue?
Funny you should mention that... I've got an F-84F on the bench in just that color.
PRU Blue! That is so good. One F-84G feature that could be incorporated was the cameras mounted in the front 1/4 of each wing tank. Simply relocate similar units to the underwing tanks of the swept wing version and the PRU blue is completely justified. One could weather it with a darker, more rich blue which could look very very decent.
Daryl J.
Thunderflash FGA.1 armed with AGM-12 Bullpup and AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles. Might be a hard choice to make but it would be weapons just coming into use as the Thunderflash was hitting the end of its service life so it would be an interesting load out. Might have to use some artistic license and put another pair of smaller weapons pylons on the wings to carry the Bullpup and Sidewinders since that thing never went anywhere without those large fuel tanks on the inboard pylons.
Ive got a a Piston engined F84 T.jet in the pipeline. Its at the getting all the bits together stage. ................................I know I need my medication. :banghead:
Digging up this old thread. Stupid shovel.
Watched the Great Planes episode on this the other night and got to wondering what it would look like if you took an RF-84F and converted it to a radar nosed version? Not sure if it would be armed with Falcons or if in service long enough, Sidewinders. Also, any ideas on who would opperate such a version?
Have two of the G models on the workbench right now. The Hobby Boss kit may end up in the Navilize it GB in USN or USMC markings from Korea (anyone got any Panther or Banshee decals left over?) and the Tamiya kit will be the one I build in Duchy of Grand Fenwick markings :wub:.
You could combine some real-world and planned concepts - the XF-91 radar nose with the proposed two-seat Thunderstreak version (US Secret Projects- Fighters) and the RF-84K tail to provide a missile-capable FICON type. The USAF of the time would favor the Falcon, but Sidewinder would be no problem I'd think - AIM-9 was available early on, and F-84Fs were around until the early 1970s.
Thinking about it, with all the extra weight, you'd probably have to base it on the J73-engined YF-84J...
Chris
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http://www.dataviewbooks.com/xf-84h.html
The second (51-1345) and third (51-1828) YF-84F prototypes were completed with wing-root intakes and a solid nose, number three was then converted into the prototype YRF-84F. The intent was that the solid nose could mount a heavier armament or an air-to-air radar.
Note the F-84E type canopies in the photo.
Jon
There was also a XF-91 proposal with the radar nose and NACA intakes. While they don't handle large airflows very well, they certainly look cool!
Does anyone do a YF-84J conversion?
Quote from: Freightdog862 on September 30, 2006, 03:17:43 PM
I had an idea about doing an F-84F in RAF markings, under the premise that in the 50's the USA would only fund NATO nations (MDAP?) if they bought US products (shame on them). If that was the case what colour schemes would you suggest, and if it was fitted with British equipment (MB seat etc), what weapons would it carry?
Over to you.... Colin
Hmmmmm, dunno where I heard this before.....
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Ian
Quotegot to wondering what it would look like if you took an RF-84F and converted it to a radar nosed version?
So maybe a F-84 equivalent to the F-86 Sabre Dog - I like it!
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Regards,
Greg
Quote from: GTX on January 08, 2010, 03:05:31 PM
Quotegot to wondering what it would look like if you took an RF-84F and converted it to a radar nosed version?
So maybe a F-84 equivalent to the F-86 Sabre Dog - I like it!
Regards,
Greg
It would probably look somewhat like the XF-91B.
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet_media.asp?fsID=584
Nah, I like the idea of the wing root scoops and full nose like the YF jon showed.
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on January 08, 2010, 03:18:17 PM
Quote from: GTX on January 08, 2010, 03:05:31 PM
Quotegot to wondering what it would look like if you took an RF-84F and converted it to a radar nosed version?
So maybe a F-84 equivalent to the F-86 Sabre Dog - I like it!
Regards,
Greg
It would probably look somewhat like the XF-91B.
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet_media.asp?fsID=584
Spot on.
Regards,
Greg
I'd never seen these before. I knew they tested the XF-91 in different configurations, but didn't know the V-tail was one of them.
http://xplanes.tumblr.com/post/453095339/republic-xf-91-thunderceptor-with-butterfly-v-tail
Does anyone know what the sweep angles of the leading and trailing edges of the XF-981 were, and what were the corresponding figures for the F-84?
Per Wikipedia, the F-84F has a leading edge sweep of 38.5 degrees, with an anhedral of 3.5 degrees. There's no info on the trailing edge. I found lineart of the XF-91 on the NASA Dryden website, and if I can find a protractor, I'll get back to you with the measurements. Or, I could just post the link:
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/Graphics/XF-91/index.html
That's okay Jschmus, you beat me to it: I've just found some drawings and I've been comparing them, superimposed.
The XF-91 has less LE sweep than the F-84 but more TE sweep. I was wondering if you could approximate the XF-91 wing by inserting a triangular wedge in the F-84 wing, but since the trailing edge sweep has to change, you end up having to fill and re-scribe all the control panel lines too. Another approach might be to join the back half of a more-swept wing with the front half of a less swept one, but what are the chances of finding two with the same thickness?
... or one simply builds the old, multiply re-released, Lindbergh 1/48th kit. ;D
Maintrack did a 1/72 vac, so one could hunt for it at shows etc.
Ah, but I don't do 48th, and anyway, that kit isn't very common over here nowadays. I do remember standing looking at it in Riley's toy shop in Stockport, agonising over whether to buy it or not and eventually deciding not to, but I was about 12 at the time...... ;D
I don't neccessarily need an accurate XF-91 kit as such, just a way of approximating it so that I can do a PW aircraft that I profiled. It would be nice if it wasn't overly difficult though, since there exists the possibility of doing several models in different colour schemes.
Planet Models makes, or made, a resin 1/72 one as well.
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on March 17, 2010, 12:05:13 PM
... or one simply builds the old, multiply re-released, Lindbergh 1/48th kit. ;D
Maintrack did a 1/72 vac, so one could hunt for it at shows etc.
Does anybody know why they went from a clear-view canopy without any heavy framing in the earlier marks of the F-84 Thunderjet to one with heavy framing in the later marks?
IIRC, the canopy needed additional strength.
Quote from: rickshaw on March 19, 2010, 03:30:53 AM
Does anybody know why they went from a clear-view canopy without any heavy framing in the earlier marks of the F-84 Thunderjet to one with heavy framing in the later marks?
The lines are reinforcing strips applied to the outside of the blown canopy rather than framing.
The reinforced canopy was introduced on the F-84G production line and was retrofitted
to the majority of the earlier F-84 models.
Here are a couple of pure what-ifs F-84s, using the HobbyBoss kit.
Wes W.
A different Thunderjet
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Almost Hawk's old 1/72 F-84F.
From Patchwork World, some Seversky Thunderdragons, manufactured under licence by Anglesy Aerospace.
Basically an XF-91 with it's rocket gear removed and a MiG-21-style nose.
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Found by Terry on Deviantart:
http://cerebralpizza.deviantart.com/art/A-84N-Thunderstrike-Concept-341353466
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