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Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 23, 2006, 10:34:17 PM
Anyone here know the list of counties that was/is interested in the AH-64 Apache?
So far,I've done some from the following countries
1.Australia
2.Bahrain
3.France
4.Iran
5.South Africa
6.South Korea
7.Spain
8.Sweden
9.Taiwan
10.Turkey
11.USMC
Thinking of doing a German one tomarrow,maybe one from Romania too,so theres 13 countries off the list.

After doing 6 today,I'm starting to get profile block.
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: gooberliberation on August 24, 2006, 12:06:30 AM
I'm thinking south korea, and a navalized one for taiwan :wub:  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Family Guy on August 24, 2006, 01:02:21 AM
Don't forget Norway and New Zealand :wub:  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 24, 2006, 08:55:52 AM
Thought I'd share 2 I've done so far.First is my USMC Apache I did yesterday.May add some Stingers or Sidewinders to it later.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FOPFOR-2%2FAH-64AApacheUSUSMC.bmp.jpg&hash=8315c3d97a8906d8185357f85bccf2081fa1c823)

Next is my first AH-64B Sea Apache that I made today.I combind that,with the fact I was wanting a German Apache,and got this.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64BSeaApacheGermany.bmp.jpg&hash=4db7d37c658666d4f918b3765fc2076e61cd001f)
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Spey_Phantom on August 24, 2006, 09:57:47 AM
Belgium, if the Dutch can buy them, so can we  :lol:  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: ChuckAnderson on August 24, 2006, 10:09:06 AM
Hi Everyone!

Another nation that would definitely be interested in the AH-64 Apache would be:

KENYA
http://www.uniforminsignia.net/index.php?p=state&id=23 (http://www.uniforminsignia.net/index.php?p=state&id=23)

Three nations that border Kenya, (Sudan, Ethiopia and Somalia) are of some concern, and such additional firepower and flexibility as found in the AH-64 Apache would be most welcome.

Chuck
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 24, 2006, 01:24:39 PM
Got around to making a Longbow Apache today as well,my first one being a South Korean example.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64DLongbowApacheSouthKorea.bmp.jpg&hash=30627a4ffb2048417028cdde108eb027815eaac7)
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: elmayerle on August 25, 2006, 02:02:46 AM
How about doing one of the radar-equipped Sea Apache proposals in USN markings?  Better yet, do it in RN markings!
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: MartG on August 25, 2006, 05:18:59 AM
Cunard or P&O to protect their cruise liners from piracy :ar:  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Mossie on August 25, 2006, 07:30:29 AM
Talking about  :ar: , how about a Shell or BP version for protecting North Sea Rigs from Oil Pirates? :dum:

Simon.
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Post by: Eddie M. on August 25, 2006, 02:23:48 PM
How 'bout a Forestry Service Apache. Here's my rendition of the USFS.  :)
  Eddie
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv669%2Fscurrfy%2Fmodels%2FHPIM0782.jpg&hash=6becee95089757f4641d17bfa459bea9e0d68ad9)
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: dragon on August 25, 2006, 07:50:31 PM
French Foreign Legion
LAPD
California Highway Patrol....Maybe that will stop all those speeders :lol:
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Sentinel Chicken on August 25, 2006, 08:06:07 PM
DEA wearing the same colors as the UH-60 Pot Hawks. They get deployed into the rugged back country of Colombia to go root out drug processing labs. And if a few FARC rebels get taken out as well, oh well........
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Post by: Son of Damian on August 25, 2006, 08:08:28 PM
Columbia - for use against FARC and the various factions

Liberia - part of a new strong military trained and funded by the US for peace keeping in Africa

Djibouti - similar idea as Liberia, but funded and trained by the various nations that now station troops there for the war on terror.    
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 25, 2006, 09:49:01 PM
Figured I'd share what I had for you guys to check out.I liked the LAPD idea,and I admit I was thinking of doing one for the NYPD,love their blue paintjob.

AH-64A Apache-Australia
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64AApacheAustralia.bmp.jpg&hash=e0f35e9b8ba17b82b02b2fc6d9fac8b5be8cfe50)


AH-64A Apache-France
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64AApacheFrance.bmp.jpg&hash=e6d52e619a4962dd7e93ddeb5b0a3bed5b2f4669)


AH-64A Apache-Iran
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64AApacheIran.bmp.jpg&hash=963b3220dbcd4d1e3d18a969392b6debbb4c5ed8)


AH-64A Apache-Spain
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64AApacheSpain.bmp.jpg&hash=23ee018c8905aaa3efa85d5f3bbc5fecf14aad83)

AH-64A Apache-Taiwan
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64AApacheTaiwan.bmp.jpg&hash=414388fc83d9c3a1591106c79eac4c2e787179ac)


AH-64A Apache-Turkey
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64AApacheTurkey.bmp.jpg&hash=7876983fb58311753c5cf8f02ed76067e8a7425f)

AH-64B Sea Apache-Japan
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64BSeaApacheJapan.bmp.jpg&hash=89275e1f0035a0b356b691b5d127d2c4c3544f32)


AH-64D Longbow Apache-Norway
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64DLongbowApacheNorway.bmp.jpg&hash=c82f60094d7412c35e391c906ba7f5719ed8d598)
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 25, 2006, 09:51:29 PM
AH-64A Apache-Bahrain
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64AApacheBahrain.bmp.jpg&hash=8f9b281a2495e44c935f3435b9cef2bc03011951)


AH-64A Apache-South Africa
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64AApacheSouthAfrica.bmp.jpg&hash=b8ecc0182af165bb1fbdec5fe3f3f7751c017dc7)

AH-64A Apache-Sweden
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64AApacheSweden2.bmp.jpg&hash=74cd4a1a05a07a6eea0a235eae290b483ad1b23f)
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: elmayerle on August 25, 2006, 11:25:09 PM
QuoteCalifornia Highway Patrol....Maybe that will stop all those speeders :lol:
That one definitely has to be a Longbow Apache - and parked right next to a "Road Patrolled by Radar" sign.
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Mossie on August 26, 2006, 04:27:49 AM
I like a NY/LAPD version, Blue Thunder Mk.II!  I wonder ig Humberside Police will order one, take care of the scallys that nicked my Dad's fisshing gear!

Simon.
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Matt Wiser on August 26, 2006, 04:21:23 PM
How about South American Apaches? Say, Ecuador, Chile, Brazil, Argentina?

For additional Mideast customers: Oman, Jordan, Pakistan.

SEA customers: Thailand, Malaysia.

A real what-if: A surviving South Vietnam?

Europe: Poland, Italy, Czech Republic.  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 26, 2006, 09:25:23 PM
Ok,what do you guys think of my attempt at the radar equipped AH-64B+ Sea Apache? One question on this model.Could it carry the AIM-120 AMRAAM? I was thinking of doing it with the AGM-84 on the inboard,an AIM-120 on the outboard and the AIM-9 on the wingtip.May replace the AIM-9 with an AIM-132 ASRAAM.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64BSeaApache.bmp.jpg&hash=43dec41bf882b5dff1c5bdd8fb2c1cd980b15b6f)
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Post by: elmayerle on August 27, 2006, 12:10:01 AM
QuoteOk,what do you guys think of my attempt at the radar equipped AH-64B+ Sea Apache? One question on this model.Could it carry the AIM-120 AMRAAM? I was thinking of doing it with the AGM-84 on the inboard,an AIM-120 on the outboard and the AIM-9 on the wingtip.May replace the AIM-9 with an AIM-132 ASRAAM.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64BSeaApache.bmp.jpg&hash=43dec41bf882b5dff1c5bdd8fb2c1cd980b15b6f)
Looks good to me, though you might want to consult this site (http://avia.russian.ee/helicopters_eng/mcdonnell_sea_apache-r.html) and the side views it has.  Very interesting material shown there; lots of whiffery potential.  And that's even without going "the next step" and adding a NOTAR tail in place of the tail rotor.   Anyway, going by what's shown, I don't see any reason your proposed armament fit wouldn't work.  *chuckle* For anti-ship work, how about replacing the normal Hellfire with the anti-ship version the Swedes use from ground launchers?

PS:  Googling "Sea Apache" also leads you to the FAS write-up which includes lots of useful info on USMC testing, including wingtip Sidewinders (ASRAMMs make much more sense) and info on the stores potential proposed for the Sea Apache.
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Post by: Spey_Phantom on August 27, 2006, 01:25:32 AM
BlackOps made this profile a while ago for a Belgian army apache.
but honnestly, ithink if belgium would buy a new attack helo,
it would have chosen the mangusta or the Tiger ARH  B)  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 28, 2006, 06:50:07 PM
NYPD gets the Apache!.I was wondering about laving the gun on or removing it.I decided to leave it and have the underwing stores be simple external tanks.I don't see the need fro Hydras and Hellfires in NYC.Then again......... ;) .Although,I did serious think about wingtip Stingers,maybe to use against sucidial Cessnas,like the one that hit that bank building in FL.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FOPFOR-2%2FAH-64AApacheUSNYPD2.bmp.jpg&hash=29aa039b07153be90b7b798194e6b95c80c8d344)
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Post by: dragon on August 28, 2006, 08:45:18 PM
If you are going to make an LAPD Apache, they you have two choices:
Standard LAPD Helo or LAPD SWAT Apache. B)  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 28, 2006, 09:52:20 PM
LAPD
I have to say,the Apache does look good in both LAPD and NYPD colors.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FOPFOR-2%2FAH-64AApacheUSLAPD.bmp.jpg&hash=b35469d82b1c32a0ad66bbcf34222119e667b404)
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Lord Darth Beavis on August 28, 2006, 09:57:46 PM
Any chance of a New Orleans PD Apache?  As bad as things are there, they'd be much welcomed! :unsure:

Or, maybe a New Orleans Harbor Police Apache...lots of crime on the riverfront down there! :ph34r:  
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Post by: Mossie on August 29, 2006, 03:14:53 AM
Also a Humberside Police version?!?

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.humberside.police.uk%2Fimages%2Fhover99.jpg&hash=ee91b3cc9f13179ea04ec1bb36276a5bed67b186)

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnewsimg.bbc.co.uk%2Fmedia%2Fimages%2F41173000%2Fjpg%2F_41173056_police_chopper203.jpg&hash=c6b83123eba997e04b4e63734551d4487edda46a)

You can leave the weapons on, there's a fair bit of car crime round here!

Simon.
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Post by: Radish on August 29, 2006, 03:22:25 AM
Brilliant....brilliant.....

We NEEd Police decals!!! :lol:  
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Post by: SebastianP on August 29, 2006, 08:58:07 AM
What about the Apache as a flying fire apparatus? Replace the gun with a water cannon, add four external tanks, and a retractable reloading snorkel like on the Fire Hawk, and it would make an excellent vehicle for fighting skyscraper fires.

Someday I'll have to make my own Sea Apache - I'm just waiting for them to come out with a good 1/72 Longbow first. I don't want to try it in 1/48 even if all the pieces are finally available...

(The whole thing involves fitting the main rotor, tailwheel and horizontal stabilizer from a Seahawk on the Longbow; adding some lumps and bumps, and painting it gray...
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Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 29, 2006, 01:13:04 PM
AH-64A Apache-LA County Fire Dept.

With the Fire Apache,I done away with the chaingun and installed a water drop tank under the belly.The main landing gear could retract during flight and then extend to give enough ground clearance for the tank on the ground.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FOPFOR-2%2FAH-64AApacheUSLACountyFire.bmp.jpg&hash=82b913fbd5acda8d6ca274f43f219705eb4e9863)
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Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 29, 2006, 02:12:58 PM
And one for the US Customs Service.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FOPFOR-2%2FAH-64AApacheUSCustoms.bmp.jpg&hash=7fff3613ae8976204dd30a69f78d743bf9c275db)
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Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 29, 2006, 03:15:36 PM
Fairborn Police Dept.,Fairborn Ohio.

Heres one in the colors of my own home town PD.This is based off their cruisers,as they have no air support unit.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FOPFOR-2%2FAH-64AApacheUSFairbornPD.bmp.jpg&hash=acb63325334ddbe605b0a90d7e72a47ac8b3d48e)
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Post by: Son of Damian on August 29, 2006, 03:29:05 PM
US Border Patrol- Stopping those LOUSY NO GOOD CANUCKISTANIANS and there Socialized Medicine from entering the US one rocket salvo at a time!!! Kidding, just kidding (But still ducks for cover :ph34r: ) :P
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Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 29, 2006, 04:42:52 PM
US Border Patrol
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FOPFOR-2%2FAH-64AApacheUSBorderPatrol.bmp.jpg&hash=426da74c1ce84f216693a3cd7872f1d27ab57474)
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Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 29, 2006, 05:43:02 PM
UK Police
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64APoliceUK.bmp.jpg&hash=94d98ece31839216b81277ae4bf5c34263defa1a)
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Post by: philp on August 29, 2006, 09:56:50 PM
QuoteBrilliant....brilliant.....

We NEEd Police decals!!! :lol:
http://www.jbot.ca/welcome.shtml (http://www.jbot.ca/welcome.shtml)
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Post by: philp on August 29, 2006, 09:59:15 PM
And for US Customs, I have always liked the scheme the Blackhawks carry.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freqofnature.com%2Fphotos%2Fheroes2004%2Fbigimages%2Fimage025.jpg&hash=10071a01f9688e55e9f2ba98fc665ec2a805ed0b)
although the earlier version just in black with Police in white and the mary jane leaves for "kill' markings was pretty cool too.
More pics here
http://www.rotorcraft-tech.com/uscs.html (http://www.rotorcraft-tech.com/uscs.html)
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Post by: Archibald on August 29, 2006, 11:33:37 PM
Try the French Gendarmerie, oh please ;)
(instead of Ecureuils :o )  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 30, 2006, 03:22:35 AM
MH-64B Sea Apache-USCG

Along with the US Customs and Border Patrol,the USCG got Apaches for the Homeland Security role.The MH-64Bs are operated off USCG cutters mainly in the Gulf of Mexico where they intercept suspected smugglers on the water and in the air.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FOPFOR-2%2FAH-64BSeaApacheUSUSCG.bmp.jpg&hash=dc0acf989ea46693d529d3cd528a8a7f9b995149)
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Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 30, 2006, 04:34:46 AM
French Gendarmerie
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64AApacheFranceGendarmerie.bmp.jpg&hash=0493db35c0838a766bc5a587b7edcec530ca973a)
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Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 30, 2006, 05:21:23 AM
NASA
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64APoliceNASA.bmp.jpg&hash=e20069b65e246200617f00f100f0cf4914e6d892)
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Post by: RLBH on August 30, 2006, 10:26:49 AM
RNLI?

No idea what for, though...
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Post by: Iranian F-14A on August 30, 2006, 01:38:01 PM
One for the Canadians....
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64BSeaApacheCanada.bmp.jpg&hash=2eb6b9aafccae41c545263f9f6b8368aed4b50ce)
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Post by: Shasper on August 30, 2006, 02:18:39 PM
Toad will be most pleased...

Shas B)
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Post by: elmayerle on August 30, 2006, 11:08:41 PM
QuoteRNLI?

No idea what for, though...
SAR, using the TADS/PNVS to search and carrying inflateable boats on the hardpoints.
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Post by: Archibald on August 30, 2006, 11:35:47 PM
QuoteFrench Gendarmerie
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64AApacheFranceGendarmerie.bmp.jpg&hash=0493db35c0838a766bc5a587b7edcec530ca973a)
Do you know the last tactics of the drug smugglers in France ? They drive at full speed on the highway (230 km/h or more) to avoid interceptions by police cars. French police has bought Subaru Impreza to fight them, but your Apache could be a good complement... ;)  
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Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 01, 2006, 10:56:30 AM
Taiwanese AH-64B+ Sea Apache
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64BSeaApacheTaiwan.bmp.jpg&hash=8d674e46f9268f40e82ee47e4d4131ef8298e7d7)
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Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 01, 2006, 11:35:52 AM
Jordanian Longbow
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64DLongbowApacheJordan.bmp.jpg&hash=c286d3feb217fc1b278582db1cdb1b6d31b2a042)
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Post by: Scooterman on September 01, 2006, 11:37:13 AM
Man I gotta find some cheap Longbow kits........... :dum:  
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Post by: wolfik on September 01, 2006, 11:48:39 AM
this taiwanese one looks great....love things with a  mouth....girls too :cheers:
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Post by: Aircav on September 01, 2006, 11:50:13 AM
Love the Gendarmerie version  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  
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Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 04, 2006, 02:29:44 PM
Kiwi Longbow
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FOPFOR-2%2FAH-64DLongbowApacheNewZealand.bmp.jpg&hash=4929c4b07b9fdcc86f90c6e64d84fdfc3c3a0014)
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Post by: Son of Damian on September 04, 2006, 03:27:54 PM
Kenya

Somalia - lets say Operation Gothic Serpent was successful and we left behind a stable government and country.

Virgin Islands Army Reserve/National Guard  
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Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 04, 2006, 03:39:50 PM
Venezuela Longbow
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FOPFOR-2%2FAH-64DLongbowApacheVenezuela.bmp.jpg&hash=ad65c6cdd97bfe838693efb811a16900c9e17f57)
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Post by: dragon on September 04, 2006, 05:00:03 PM
QuoteVenezuela Longbow
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FOPFOR-2%2FAH-64DLongbowApacheVenezuela.bmp.jpg&hash=ad65c6cdd97bfe838693efb811a16900c9e17f57)
Now this is what you definitely call a "What-If?"!  B)  With Hugo Chavez in charge it would be extremely unlikely (he just bought some HINDS).   <_<

I love the scheme itself. :wub:   However these would be more than likely operated by the EJV (Ejercito de Venezuela- Venezuelan Army).  No Red triangle for the EJV birds  :cheers:  
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Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 04, 2006, 06:59:25 PM
Yeah,I debated on if to do it in Army or AF markings,and went with the AF.Heres on from Somalia.Not many pics of any of their choppers,and most were either olive drab (Mi-8,AB-212 Huey) or natural metal (Mi-4),and to me that was too boring.I decided to go for a camo based off their F-6 Farmers.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FAH-64AApacheSomalia.bmp.jpg&hash=6de6300beaaca290ffe1bda0afd026c533d4db8f)
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Post by: Archibald on September 04, 2006, 11:46:07 PM
Brilliant profiles! keep on!  
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Post by: Archibald on September 05, 2006, 04:44:26 AM
God bless you! ^_^  
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Post by: Sentinel Chicken on September 05, 2006, 05:47:10 AM
QuoteBundesgrenschutz? :huh:
Gesundheit!

I'll shut up now..........:D
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 05, 2006, 01:42:41 PM
This is one that just sorta popped into my head.I've always liked the Boeing "House Colors" and since Boeing took over the Apache program.....

I've added the markings of all current and prospective Longbow customers.Some from new build,others from conversion.Countries are Egypt,Greece,Israel,Japan,Kuwait,Netherlands,Saudi Arabia,South Korea,Singapore,Taiwan,United Arab Emirates,UK,and the US.
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Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Son of Damian on September 05, 2006, 06:15:38 PM
Mongolia is increasingly worried about China's longing gaze. With larger and larger swaths of farmland being lost to desertization and pollution some Chinese officials are looking at Mongolia's vast amounts of farm land as a possible solution to there problems.  

Mongolia is something of a minor US ally, they sent 175 troops to Iraq (the first time Mongolian troops had set foot in the Mid East since the time of the Khans). And I would imagine that the Apache would be a great deturrent to the Hordes of Chinese tanks, APC's, and AFV's.
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Scooterman on September 05, 2006, 06:34:11 PM
Quote
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Oh wait til Evan sees this!

:wub:  :wub:  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: anthonyp on September 05, 2006, 06:59:23 PM
QuoteMH-64B Sea Apache-USCG

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Late as always, but dude, I am diggin' that USCG Apache!!   :wub:  :wub:  :wub:

That Camuck Sea Apache is nice too.  I know that'd make me think twice about crossing into the Canadian side of Lake Huron.

Nice work, gives me ideas.

:cheers:  :cheers:  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: elmayerle on September 05, 2006, 11:40:54 PM
QuoteThis is one that just sorta popped into my head.I've always liked the Boeing "House Colors" and since Boeing took over the Apache program.....

I've added the markings of all current and prospective Longbow customers.Some from new build,others from conversion.Countries are Egypt,Greece,Israel,Japan,Kuwait,Netherlands,Saudi Arabia,South Korea,Singapore,Taiwan,United Arab Emirates,UK,and the US.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusera.imagecave.com%2FOPFOR%2FOPFOR-2%2FAH-64DLongbowApacheUSDemonstrator.bmp.jpg&hash=e0cf01dd631294fda780c749fed83ade373f522d)
*laughs* Looks great!! It'd be a cool diorama to put this one together with my TAV-8B+ Boeing demonstrator as if at an major airshow.
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Lord Darth Beavis on September 05, 2006, 11:43:14 PM
Still waiting for the New Orleans Harbor Police version... <_<



:lol:  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Archibald on September 06, 2006, 12:11:10 AM
securité civile!!!
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Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 06, 2006, 03:45:25 PM
VH-64A Apache,Airborne Presidential Protection Unit. Good escort of motorcades or Presidential helicopters.
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Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 06, 2006, 03:46:39 PM
CH-164 Orca Canadian Navy
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Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 06, 2006, 03:47:29 PM
Romanian Longbow
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Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Shasper on September 06, 2006, 05:00:30 PM
I love the authinticity of the Orca camo  :rolleyes:


Shas B)
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Son of Damian on September 06, 2006, 07:44:33 PM
QuoteVH-64A Apache,Airborne Presidential Protection Unit. Good escort of motorcades or Presidential helicopters.
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I would imagine that they would also have some jamming equipment to disrupt a shoulder fired SAMs and remotely detonated bombs. They might carry Harm or Sidram for use against active radar threats.

Mexico - back in the mid 90's there was a insurection in the Yucatan, and now it looks increasingly like Mexico might descend into civil war. Which ever side the US gov supports could get Apaches for military aid.  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Sentinel Chicken on September 06, 2006, 10:39:40 PM
How about some Apaches painted up as aggressors for the OPFOR role? They might wear camoflauge like the Mi-28 Havocs........
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Son of Damian on September 07, 2006, 01:22:57 AM
Like the Mi-24 Hind that OPFOR uses at the national training center Fort Polk?  :huh:

We captured an authentic Crocodile from in the Iraqis during the '91 Gulf War, and it has since been put to use by OPFOR aviation in the aggressor role. I remember seeing it in an episode Wings that use to be shown on the Discovery Channel many years ago. I don't know if it has since been repainted or if they kept the original scheme, but if its still in the original scheme then it looks something like this.

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:cheers:
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 07, 2006, 04:25:44 AM
I'd thought about the Aggressor thing myself,and came up with this.The Army decided to buy some AH-64B+ Sea Apaches to simulate the Russian KA-50 Werewolf.Surplus "A" models were used to represent the Havoc.
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Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 07, 2006, 04:56:30 AM
Mongolia
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Oh,and New Orleans was going to buy some Apaches for its police Dept,but then decided the money would be better spent on casinos.........I'm kidding....
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Shasper on September 07, 2006, 07:49:57 AM
Watch it now... Dem Fightun' wurds! :angry:

Knowing those koots down in N'awlins, that would be the case thou   :(
Shas B)
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Damian2 on September 07, 2006, 09:21:55 AM
Man on the SAAF Apache you captured my thoughts exactly!!!

All of these profiles are just awesome!!  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Matt Wiser on September 07, 2006, 10:08:30 PM
Another possible AH-64 customer: South Korea. They had a deal for 37 Apaches in the early '90s, but the deal fell through. They may have been holding out for the Longbow version instead of the A. The ROKs have a AH-X competition that the Asian Flu of the late '90s put on hold-competitors are the AH-1 (W then, now the Z), AH-64D, Rooivak, Tiger, and the Ka-52.

How about a U.S. Navy Sea Apache? That was pitched in the late '70s by Hughes Helicopter and later by McAir after they bought out Hughes. I can see the Navy establishing HA (Helicopter Attack) squadrons if they'd done gotten the Sea Apache.

West Germany actually sent helo crews and maintenance folks to Fort Rucker to learn the Apache (the Bundeswehr had the AH-64 as their first choice for an attack helo), but the government went for the Tiger. They would've had Apaches in the early '90s had they gone ahead with what the Bundeswehr wanted originally, and would have gotten an upgrade to Longbow standard later on.

Turkey was also very interested in the Longbow (and if they revive their attack helo competition), may still be.

Some of the other ex-WARPAC countries may show additional interest (Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria) in the Apache. Their Hinds can't go on forever...

Pakistan may also qualify for the Apache.  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 08, 2006, 03:50:02 PM
Vietnamese Longbow
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Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 08, 2006, 03:51:13 PM
Italian Longbow
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Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Ollie on September 08, 2006, 03:55:31 PM
Wicked stuff!

:wub:  :wub:  :wub:  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 08, 2006, 04:22:29 PM
Slovak Longbow
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Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Matt Wiser on September 08, 2006, 04:39:25 PM
That Vietnamese Longbow might just come true: they've been at odds with the Chinese ever since the Vietnam War ended in '75, had a border war with the PRC in '79, and have had disputes over the Spratly Islands with the PRC (and everyone else in the neighborhood). The Viets have made overtures to the U.S. regarding Cam Ranh Bay's Air and Naval Base, and a U.S. return to Vietnam if things get dicey with the PRC over the Spratlys might make sense (all the tanker traffic to Japan and Korea passes thru the shipping lanes in the South China Sea, so the USN, ROK Navy, and the JMSDF would be busy escorting shipping if the Spratlys become a free-fire zone. ROK Navy Sea Apaches, perhaps, along with the USN ones?  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Son of Damian on September 08, 2006, 08:48:08 PM
QuoteSome of the other ex-WARPAC countries may show additional interest (Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria) in the Apache. Their Hinds can't go on forever...

Back many moons ago there were plans for Polish forces to leave Iraq at the end of '05, possible leaving their Hinds behind for use by the Iraqis. But after the election in Poland things changed and they stayed. Considering Polands good relationship with the US, there are plans to build a new US base in either Poland or the Czech republic, it wouldn't surprise me if they chose to replace there Hinds with Apaches.

I would imagine that some of the smaller former Warsaw Pact countries might stick with the Hind a while longer due to the cost of the Apache and relatively small size of there defence bugdets.

Though personnally I think there is still alot of life left in the Hind, and as if to prove my point Algeria and the Ukrain have done some major upgrades to there fleets adding advanced avionics, flir, and all the bells and whistles you find on western helos. Then there is the fact that it can carry 8 troops in it's cabin, an interesting and handy feature.

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QuoteIn the last three years, the South African company ATE and the Algerian Air Force have upgraded around 30 Mi-25s and Mi-35s to Mi-24 Mk.III or so-called "Super Hind" standard. In this configuration the whole spares support and technical documentation, as well as the entire weapons system of the helicopter were replaced, and new weapons - including a 20mm gun and Mokopa ATGMs - were installed as well.  

QuoteOne of the main weapons of the Algerian Air Force in the anti-terror war are Mi-24 Mk.III - the so-called "Super Hinds". These helicopters are former Mi-24s, Mi-25s, and Mi-35s all of which were upgraded with a completely new navigation and attack system, FLIR-turrets and a 20mm gun, developed by the South African company ATE.

Here are some pics of Polish Hinds over Bablyon incase you want to see them.

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Notice the dog.
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Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 08, 2006, 09:11:45 PM
Hungarian Longbow
The nose art was my girlfriend's idea.
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As far as the Hind goes,I love it,and some of the upgrades a quite nice.The Mk.III Super Hind you mentioned is great.IAI upgraded the ones from Turkmenistan with Spike ATGMs and FLIR up by the nose,those look pretty nice too.The problem is Whiffing the Hind is hard since almost everone already or has at one time used it.
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: rallymodeller on September 09, 2006, 12:43:11 AM
Link to Ft. Polk OPFOR site: OPFOR Aircraft (http://www.jrtc-polk.army.mil/OPFOR/AIRCRAFT.HTM)

Links with pics. Some interesting stuff down in Louisiana...
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: rallymodeller on September 09, 2006, 12:50:34 AM
BTW, poking around the Mil site it would appear that Mil OKB is still looking for customers for the Mi-28...

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then there are the amazing attack choppers from Kamov:

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Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Jschmus on September 09, 2006, 12:50:53 AM
I'm sure the nose art is cool/funny/cute or whatever, but I'll be darned if I can see more than a smudge in that picture.

As to whiffing the Hind, I think it's just a matter of keeping your ideas ahead of the upgrades that are going on in the real world, as mentioned above.
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: GTX on September 09, 2006, 12:53:32 PM
QuoteTheir Hinds can't go on forever...

Oh, but they don't have to - I've got a top secret replacement design being planned right now...no hints though :P !!!

Regards,

Greg
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Son of Damian on September 09, 2006, 07:35:02 PM
QuoteLink to Ft. Polk OPFOR site: OPFOR Aircraft

Links with pics. Some interesting stuff down in Louisiana...

Thanks dude!!! B)  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Shasper on September 10, 2006, 05:12:26 PM
QuoteSome interesting stuff down in Louisiana...
One day I'm going down there (about 3hrs from my local) to be a "Hostage" in the Urban Warfare exercise...

Shas B)
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Iranian F-14A on September 13, 2006, 01:48:31 PM
Mexico
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Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Son of Damian on September 13, 2006, 04:55:59 PM
Georgia, and I'm not talking about the state in the US, I'm talking about Georgia the former Soviet Republic. From the start of the new republic the US has done alot to help Georgia with financial aid, trainning and equiping there secret service allowing them to successfuly thwort an assassination attempt on there president, and send small numbers of US troops to Georgia to take part in joint training exercises. Georgia has returned the favor by sending some 200 troops to Iraq. So it wouldn't surprise me if in a few years instead of upgrading there Hinds that they might buy a few Apaches.  
Title: Need some ideas.... suggestions welcome
Post by: Shasper on September 13, 2006, 05:53:14 PM
In a few yrs the new Iraqi AF will need some new sectarian putter-downers. Ditto the Afghans and Pakistan 2.


Shas B)