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Title: WW-I Aircraft for Whiffery.
Post by: Daryl J. on July 09, 2006, 02:24:49 PM
Having just purchased some 1/32 Hobbycraft WW-1 aircraft and having the urge to do some minor whiff-work on them, I'd just like to make sure these are 'realistic' enough to make people wonder if they'd missed part of their history lessons.


Nieuport 17 on floats similar to the Handriot floatplane
Sopwith Camel (new tool) with spats----not in olive green.
Dr.1 on skiis, in overall white with some black or red trim
Spad XIII revised into a parasol post-war race plane


Close enough?

:ar:  :ar:  :ar:
Daryl J.
Title: WW-1 based whiffery
Post by: Martin H on July 09, 2006, 02:35:00 PM
works for me lol. sounds just enought to confuse....perfect.
Title: WW-1 based whiffery
Post by: Brian da Basher on July 09, 2006, 04:12:52 PM
Quote<snip>

Sopwith Camel (new tool) with spats----not in olive green.

<snip>
This is my favorite of the lot. Everything's sexier with spats!

I love spats!  :wub:

Brian da Basher
Title: WW-1 based whiffery
Post by: Daryl J. on July 09, 2006, 06:39:18 PM
Brian,

The Sopwith is an Homage du Brian.    Hopefully one or more of these will be displayed this September at the Evergreen Aviation Museum by the Spruce Goose when IPMS Region 7 (USA) has their Recon.    A couple of ''confusers'' there would be great as most of the attendees are very open minded, fun-loving people.    B)


Daryl J.
Title: WW-1 based whiffery
Post by: Brian da Basher on July 09, 2006, 07:10:31 PM
Wow I'm very touched Daryl. IPMS Region 7 (USA)....another reason to love the great Pacific Northwest!

I hope you're able to share some pics of these projects with us.  B)

Brian da Basher
Title: WW-1 based whiffery
Post by: jcf on July 09, 2006, 11:23:10 PM
QuoteHaving just purchased some 1/32 Hobbycraft WW-1 aircraft and having the urge to do some minor whiff-work on them, I'd just like to make sure these are 'realistic' enough to make people wonder if they'd missed part of their history lessons.


Nieuport 17 on floats similar to the Handriot floatplane
Sopwith Camel (new tool) with spats----not in olive green.
Dr.1 on skiis, in overall white with some black or red trim
Spad XIII revised into a parasol post-war race plane


Close enough?

:ar:  :ar:  :ar:
Daryl J.
Nieuport built floatplanes prior to the war, and the 6H monoplane on floats was used during the early phases of the war so a 17 on floats is completely within the realm of "possibility". :D

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Nieuport 4H

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4H float

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6H

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French Navy 6H

For the SPAD I'd suggest making it a Sesquiplane, as that is right inline with other racers of the period...and also you'll need a place to attach the rigging. SPAD designed aircraft wings used an extremely thin high-speed aerofoil and they required struts and lots of rigging for structural integrity...which is why, unlike most of their contemporaries, the WWI SPAD fighters have a two-bay wing structure.

Nieuport, for one, built a series of sesquiplanes:
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an American example is the Navy-Wright NW-1
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and for a plain parasol there is the  Curtis XF6C-6 (Paul Fisher has done a 1/48th kit of this aircraft)
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Now as to a Dr.1 on skis, as you'd expect the Russians made the greatest use of ski gear in WWI
here's an example of types:
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HTH
:cheers:

Cheers, Jon
Title: WW-1 based whiffery
Post by: NARSES2 on July 10, 2006, 03:57:57 AM
Well I've a Revell Fokker DVII that I'm intending to build as a parasol fighter - sort of Fokker DVII and a half !
Title: WW-1 based whiffery
Post by: Radish on July 10, 2006, 05:35:32 AM
The SE5A is a belter for whatiffery too.

The rectangular front end means that it's easy to extend or graft another nose onto it, and with a more powerful engine you can have:

a very high-powered biplane
or
similar power but sesquiplane
or
similar power but parasol-winged
or
similar powered but low-winged monoplane.

With the additional power I'd increase the size of the tail/fin ensemble, but it'll look interesting.

I'm going to whiff some of my Revell 1/48th SE5As along similar lines to the above.....different engines for all of them probably. :wub:

The floats look interesting too.
A floatplane Canmel and/or SE5A is a definite, with wooden floats carved from balsa. Natural wood grain, you see. :party:  :party:  :party:  
Title: WW-1 based whiffery
Post by: Mike Wren on July 10, 2006, 06:43:22 AM
SE5a Triplane?  ;)  
Title: WW-1 based whiffery
Post by: Radish on July 10, 2006, 09:19:28 AM
Well a triplane is certainly an option, Mikey, with the spare wing or two available.

Of course, another possibility with a VERY extended nose is canards!! :lol:  :lol:  :party:  
Title: WW-1 based whiffery
Post by: Daryl J. on July 10, 2006, 04:14:03 PM
Howzabubbs!  :party:  :party:  :party:

*What* a response!   That was muchly appreciated.


Daryl J., right-click; save

PS:  Are those ''kegs'' radiators?   Perhaps this is where the author of Porco Rosso got some of his ideas, yes?

PPS:   The S.E.5a has always looked like a flying French Fry to me....... :blink:

:cheers:  
Title: WW-1 based whiffery
Post by: jcf on July 10, 2006, 08:23:57 PM
QuoteHowzabubbs!  :party:  :party:  :party:

*What* a response!   That was muchly appreciated.


Daryl J., right-click; save

PS:  Are those ''kegs'' radiators?   Perhaps this is where the author of Porco Rosso got some of his ideas, yes?

PPS:   The S.E.5a has always looked like a flying French Fry to me....... :blink:

:cheers:
Lamblin "lobster pot" radiators...and yes Miyazaki was definitely riffing on reality with Porco Rosso.

While Porco's Savoia S.21 looks more like a Macchi M-33:
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there actually was a Savoia S.21 racer prototype:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmodelingmadness.com%2Fscotts%2Fpreww2%2Ffinemolds%2Fsavoias21.jpg&hash=86f5450ecd3ff4e6cc7165dfd3243339b3ca9d1b)

Harry Woodman's book on plastic card modelling dealt briefly with making the Lamblin:

Woodman: engines, exhausts and radiators (http://www.wwimodeler.com/harry/chapter3/12-engines.htm)


Cheers, Jon
Title: WW-1 based whiffery
Post by: Daryl J. on July 10, 2006, 09:13:07 PM
Now the M.33, that's an airframe ripe for whiffing!   Be it Biplane, Ekranoplan, Monoplane with a turbojet and twin tails, or the like............... B)   A web trip to HLJ sent Ye Olde Credit Carde into spasms and two 1/72 Fine Molds and one 1/48 Fine Molds S.21's shipped stateside.     Now if they would issue Ben Curtiss' machine in 1/48.......yes there's the Testors kit to start with....... B)  B)  B)


Daryl J.
Title: WW-1 based whiffery
Post by: Archibald on July 10, 2006, 10:04:09 PM
Saw this picture years ago on TV... and bought the DVD one month ago. Saw it second time yesterday... lovely  picture! Is there a model of Porco flying-boat available?  
Title: WW-1 based whiffery
Post by: Daryl J. on July 11, 2006, 05:19:54 PM
Archibald:

Fine Molds make the Porco Rosso Savoia S.21 in both 1/72 and 1/48.   The Curtiss is available only in 1/72.    For US buyers, it is far less costly to purchase from www.HLJ.com and ship across the Pacific.    The kits are simple, fit well, and are a hoot to have.

Testors make a 1/48 Curtiss Racer similar to the Porco Rosso biplane but is a replica of the actual aircraft rather than a cartoon.   Modification of Testors kit would have to be extremely extensive if not impossible altogether.   Still, the little ex-Hawk kit is a fun, quick build.

HTH,
Daryl J.

[Edit in August 2008]  Fine Molds make a 1/48 Curtiss R3C-O now which is a stunning kit for a limited run and is easily in Tamiyagawa territory.
Title: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: NARSES2 on July 15, 2006, 02:04:36 AM
Just a heads up, but if any of you have acces to "Cross & Cockade International" then check out the latest issue Vol 37 No 2.

Amazing photo's and colour plate for a US Nieuport 27 which is covered in reptile scales with a dragon's mouth, another in an abstract geometric scheme.

Colourful Brit Camels - one with a dragon and a bird killing a snake on the fusalage, one with a snake, sand dunes and palm tress covering the fusalage and another with a fusalage covered in what looks like nursery wallpaper. Stars, moons with faces, suns as well as the sunbirsts etc

Why unless you only have access to speacilist mags do we only ever see German WWI "Heraldry" ?

Finaly a real scheme which involved taking a Martinside to the Dead Sea in 1918 and converting it into a torpedo carrying hydro-plane to attack Turkish shipping.! They took the wings off and used it like that  :blink: Lovely photo of one of the floats being used as a canoe latter on

Rad if you havn't access to it I'll bring it along to Coventry

Chris


Title: WWI IDEAS
Post by: Radish on July 15, 2006, 04:55:42 AM
Not seen it Chris. Sounds good.
There were some terrific Allied schemes....especially training units...checked aircraft, etc..
But some pilots had glorious designs too for combat, and they're just not widely documented.
Snakes would look good on a Camel.
Have you seen the Bristol Fighter released by Eduard in Brisfish markings? Expensive but popular and very attractive.
Dragons are GOOD :lol:  
Title: WWI IDEAS
Post by: The Rat on July 15, 2006, 07:27:11 AM
QuoteAmazing photo's and colour plate for a US Nieuport 27 which is covered in reptile scales with a dragon's mouth, another in an abstract geometric scheme.

Colourful Brit Camels - one with a dragon and a bird killing a snake on the fusalage, one with a snake, sand dunes and palm tress covering the fusalage and another with a fusalage covered in what looks like nursery wallpaper. Stars, moons with faces, suns as well as the sunbirsts etc
Lovely stuff I'm sure, I'll check their web site later and see if any are on there.

There were certainly some great schemes on WWI aircraft, and I think there are two major reasons why people don't model them more. First is the speed and sleekness factor, many aren't interested in an aircraft unless it travelled at least 300mph, preferably Mach 2, and looked like it could do it too.

The second is Advanced Modeling Syndrome, they won't tackle something that requires rigging because they are worried about it. Okay, then either learn or leave the rigging off! I have promised myself that I will one day do more biplanes, and if the thought of rigging daunts me then I'll go ahead anyway, and maybe add some later.

Pass the glue bottle, will ya?  ^_^  
Title: WWI IDEAS
Post by: P1127 on July 15, 2006, 04:29:29 PM
Classic example is th Alcock Mouse - Alcock (later of transatlantic Vimy fame) took the wings from a Pup and the fuselage from a Sopwith Triplane, added some extra bits and createsd a one off fighter
Title: WWI IDEAS
Post by: The Rat on July 15, 2006, 05:00:10 PM
QuoteClassic example is th Alcock Mouse - Alcock (later of transatlantic Vimy fame) took the wings from a Pup and the fuselage from a Sopwith Triplane, added some extra bits and createsd a one off fighter
:o  Crikey! Any pics? That's do-able.
Title: WWI IDEAS
Post by: NARSES2 on July 16, 2006, 12:52:38 AM
QuoteClassic example is th Alcock Mouse - Alcock (later of transatlantic Vimy fame) took the wings from a Pup and the fuselage from a Sopwith Triplane, added some extra bits and createsd a one off fighter
There's an example of that in the Middle East as well - I think the starting point was a Bristol Mononplane Scout ? Don't think they allow that type of thing in the "modern" RAF  :P

Chris
Title: WWI IDEAS
Post by: The Rat on July 16, 2006, 05:21:53 AM
I've located some folks on the net who have info on the Alcock Mouse, if my e-mail to them is successful it might garner some pics. They mention that there is a 3-view in a book called "Warplanes of the 1st World War" volume 1, by J. M. Bruce. Anybody got a copy?

Does anyone kit a Tripe these days?  :huh:  
Title: WWI IDEAS
Post by: P1127 on July 16, 2006, 07:33:29 AM
Gimme two minutes - I have every pic of the Mouse in existence, along with two sets of plans - both of which are wrong!!

PS - lower wing was from a Triplane but mounted beneath the fuselage
Title: WWI IDEAS
Post by: The Rat on July 16, 2006, 07:58:05 AM
QuoteI have every pic of the Mouse in existence,...
What? All 3 of 'em?!  :P  
Title: WWI IDEAS
Post by: P1127 on July 16, 2006, 08:03:02 AM
Them's the ones!



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Click the thumbnails

BTW, you emailed me!
Title: WWI IDEAS
Post by: NARSES2 on July 17, 2006, 04:16:46 AM
QuoteI've located some folks on the net who have info on the Alcock Mouse, if my e-mail to them is successful it might garner some pics. They mention that there is a 3-view in a book called "Warplanes of the 1st World War" volume 1, by J. M. Bruce. Anybody got a copy?

Does anyone kit a Tripe these days?  :huh:
There's this one in 1/48 and 2 in 1/144 resin :blink: . Otherwise track down the old Revell kit or wait for Roden ?

Chris

Triplane (http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=EDK8073)
Title: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: Daryl J. on June 14, 2008, 10:12:05 PM
Using the Eduard 1/48 Pfalz D.III kit, the following impossiblity should be cogent enough to work well and perhaps even cause an observer at an IPMS meet to get on a soapbox and pontificate the impossibilities of and idiocy thereof.   :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:


Sand down the fabric detail on the wings.    Feather in a layered look with sheet styrene of 3-4 layers in the aft half of the wings to replicate aluminum sheet cobbled together, the same for the ailerons.    Scab on some cockpit armor.   Take some Tamiya masking tape and run an even whorl down the aft half of the fuselage and spray heavily with Mr. Surfacer 500 to create a spiral pattern over which a finish can be applied.   The same 'shingle over shingle' laminated look to the vertical tail as well.    Hang some brass carriage lanterns (electric of course) under the wings outside the metal prop's arc.   Carbon fiber interplane struts of course along with an MFD in the cockpit, but the seat is wicker.   Due to the metal structure of the wing, most rigging is eliminated yet some remains.    Radiator on wing is double thickness and the pipes leading to it have several pressure couplings along the tubing.   Engine gets ram air and a tuned exhaust.   

The finish is matte aluminum wherever metal surfaces are and light maple for the woodwork and is woodgrained to match the spiraling of the rear fuselage.

Tail skid carbon fibre, wheel struts aluminum.

No markings.


The pilot figure standing next to it is in uniform of the era but is distracted by talking on his cell phone.    Steam powered fuel bowser supports the aircraft but the fuel is some of Kentucky's best Triple Distilled.       :wub: :wub: :wub:


Eduard's Albatros W.4 and D.V could match and be a set of triplets.   :blink:


:cheers:,
Daryl J.


[EDIT]   The metal work on the wings would be like a toned down version of the laminated bare metal on the motorcycle named ThorTueuse as seen in Barnett's, March 2008.



Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: GTX on June 14, 2008, 10:28:00 PM
I like it!

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: Radish on June 15, 2008, 11:46:24 AM
Fantastic.

Great using "Brass" as a metal too :banghead:
Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: Daryl J. on June 15, 2008, 06:36:14 PM
Eduard's 1/48 Sopwith Camel in any variant:

All cloth replaced with an ultrathin  metal skin.   Landing gear struts metal and spread wider but with skiis rather than wheels/tires ---or should that be tyres for the British machine.  Some kind of cockpit heat for the Nordic pilot.   Perhaps a triple blade metal prop would be substituted.  Overall near-white and Norwegian markings.

With the blocky shape, the wider stance should augment the already aggressive profile of the machine, the off white a refreshing change from the seemingly always-green Camel.

Perhaps the support machinery should be ski equipped too.    :thumbsup:


Overall, it seems this is a tough machine to whiff.     :party:

:cheers:
Daryl J.
Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: Daryl J. on June 22, 2008, 01:51:20 PM
All of this is simply thinking aloud, any idea free for the taking if so wanted:


As a gift from Captain Nemo to Allan Quatermain:

Hanriot HD.2 with a parasol configuration based on an extended Sopwith Camel upper wing; section between ailerons metal skinned.    Supercharger off either a Bf-109 or P-38, extra prop   blade.   Metal surfaces ever so slightly off white, rear fuselage royal blue.    Floats embellished in the vein of Captain Nemo's car and ship. 

Interior will have a leopard print along the fuselage with a tiger stripe cushion on the seat.    Additional instrumentation in a bullet shaped fairing just outside the cockpit to the starboard.    Cleats on floats to be two horned sculpted heads scavenged from Quatermain's discoveries and feats.     :party: :party: :party:


The jury is still out on whether or not  this machine will be 'time melded' or not with a glass cockpit, carbon fibre struts, iPod hookup, and a vintage hand crank phone.   :blink:

Eduard 1/48 kit.




Other scenarios *not* related to Quatermain:


Roland Walfisch:    Pressure 'pod' cabin with round pressure windows rather than the square and a pressure dome where the pilot looks out with those teeny round windows.   Single, rather long upper wing swept with winglets, enlarged tail empennage.

I-16:     Overall metal construction, ski equipped fixed gear, cowling made corrugated aluminium along with outer wing panels.  Not dubdub-wunn but odd idea inserted.

P-6E:     Upper wing lowered closer to fuselage, revised intakes, enlarged radiator which would include an intercooler.     Other details to follow later.  Again, off time aircraft but Lindberg kit is cheap.

Bristol Fighter:    Converted from a tail dragger to a 'quadratyre'.  See Finneas Phog's 'wheelie shoes'.    Metal 'scales' along fuselage with areas not covered by the metal in natural leather.  Black wings and forward fuselage.    "The Black Knight"    Aesthetics to emulate Mark Nason shoes, slips, boots, and bags.   Emblem on the side of two migrated coconuts.

Nieuport 11/16/17    One on skiis, one on floats, one to be determined

Avia B.534 serie III:    All metal construction, desert ready with extra filtration, reduced armament for mercenary work.

DH.4:    Steampunker's dream.   
BE2c:     Steampunker's dream part 2.

Sopwith Camel:   Floats including rear a la Sopwith Schneider.   Squared off wing tips.

Albatros D.V and Pfalz D.III:    Glass cockpit with square MFD and round buttons rather than square, fewer in number.   Metalized front, mixed wood and carbon fibre rear fuselage.    Wings overlaid with layered metal.    Wood can be highly weathered and carbon fibre about as factory fresh as can possibly be.    Carbon fibre struts, rigging significantly reduced.   Engine work to include some sort of charged air for the intake, extra radiators for heat dispensation.   Brass headlamps for landing lights.    One rear fuselage 'whorled' with engraved wood in a Victorian-esque bannister spindle sort of fashion.   Albatros gets an extra propellor blade.   



Daryl J.
Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: Daryl J. on July 24, 2008, 09:17:37 PM
More ruminating aloud since we'll be offline for possibly some months:

B.E.2c (Roden 1/48)   Twin exhaust driven turbochargers attached to leading edge of top wing.   Possible intercooler between blowers with twin returns to the engine following exhaust stacks.  Somehow, those exhaust pipes have a Peterbuilt or Kenworth look to them.   Exhausts exit across wing top.    Conversion to single seat observer or sport aircraft.   Paddle blade prop with rear profile echoing Ta-152 series just on a smaller scale.    Glass cockpit.   Enlarged vertical tail that is a parody/exaggeration of the current shape in order to manage additional horsepower.   Steel rigging and thus reduced. (Yay!!!!)

DH-2:   Winter aircraft:  Tri blade wood prop.   Skiis made out of closely set parallel metal tubing and either leather or thick cloth to be the ski.   Side heating cores for cockpit with some blown air for pilot comfort.   Pilot dressed in contemporary ski gear brightly colored.   Vertical tail in natural brightwood finish.   Tubing composing aft ''fuselage'' to be wrapped giving it a bandaged together look.   Possible carbon fibre leading edges zigzagged in similar to the Revell Germany/Monogram Rafale kit.    Bamboo flooring.   

Curtiss Jenny:    Cumbersome looking supercharger under the deficient-looking chin in order to buff it up a bit.    Slightly clipped wings.   Conversion to single seater, aft cockpit used.  Unarmed.    Other cockpit used as a cargo area for either Jack Daniels or Johnny Walker's best.    ?Used by Ethyl's Alcohol Transport Services, Revenoo-er free?     Black, shiny fuselage, natural clear doped linen elsewhere, very satin in finish.   Tundra tires and STOL slats.    Cleared to fly 100' AGL or less ONLY.

SE5A (Lindberg kit):   Tailplane converted to be as square as the rest of the machine.   Grill full of round circles a la GMC Denali.    On wide set skis, each ski a bit wide as well.
-------or------ conversion of all surfaces to wooden ply and finished in blonde varnish.   Tailplane also simplified for table saw work.    Sundry power bulges and plumbing in engine/exhaust area.   Possible mixed woods so colors vary in places.

Fokker D.VII:   Oh boy!   :thumbsup:     Parasol with wood wing E.V style.   RLM 70 overall slightly lightened.   Seat brilliant red.    Or:   US Atlantic colors for patrol work by high school kids during WW-II, either Boeing or Douglas built with Dutch emphasis for political acceptance.  (or whatever country Fokker is from).     Or:  1920's US markings based on the premise that Anthony Fokker chose to sell to the Allied forces rather than Axis, post war machine.      D.VII on floats.  :thumbsup:   

Fokker Dr.1:   Somehow Bugatti Blue just wouldn't be appropriate; that red overall is just so choice.     Black/White Dazzle?  Not really.    Overall RLM 71 with a black/white wrap around striping behind cockpit area to end of machine.

More ideas to follow.


Daryl J.
Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: Joe C-P on July 25, 2008, 12:58:41 PM
So, you've put some thought into this I guess?   ;D

Please don't be gone forever, because I really want to see these! Especially the "quadratyred" Bristol!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: Brian da Basher on July 26, 2008, 02:22:10 AM
For some reason this is making me think of a SPAD XIII converted to a flying Nitrous Oxide tank...

;)

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: Daryl J. on July 26, 2008, 09:12:06 AM
DH-2:   Out of era machine: Vietnam    Uprated engine, prop and frame support armored open cockpit (oxymoron if there ever was one, eh?).   Forward firepower  replaces front cockpit and is similar in style to the A-26K, just massively downgraded.   SEA/Black camo.    Equipped with a set of bomb racks to carry two small WW-1 shaped daisy cutters.

SPAD N20 Tank?   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Daryl J.   
Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: Daryl J. on July 30, 2008, 02:21:05 PM
Gavia 1/48 Pfalz Eindekker converted to look a bit more like the Nieuport N6H.




Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: Weaver on July 31, 2008, 01:55:17 AM
Bristol Night-Fighter with an early version of Mr. Marconi's Patented "Radiographic Locator" : arrays of dipole aerials on the interplane struts, wind-driven generator, valves sticking out of the fuselage side for cooling, and a "what-the-butler-saw" scope for the back-seater...... ;D Armament could be a pair of SE.5A Lewis Gun mountings, allowing conventional fire or "schrage muzik" attacks.
Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: Daryl J. on August 01, 2008, 07:13:04 PM
Sopwith Siamese, a tribute to Rutan and Tophe...the twin Camel.



Daryl J.
Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: jcf on August 01, 2008, 10:27:35 PM
Quote from: Weaver on July 31, 2008, 01:55:17 AM
B;D Armament could be a pair of SE.5A Lewis Gun mountings, allowing conventional fire or "schrage muzik" attacks.

An oblique MG setup was used on the B.E.2c night fighter (the first use), and the Sopwith Dolphin was designed with two Lewis guns trainable in a vertical arc.

Here is an interesting page on Nightfighter operations in GB during WWI.
http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v4/v4n1-2/ww1nite.html (http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v4/v4n1-2/ww1nite.html)

Jon
Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: Daryl J. on August 16, 2008, 10:20:33 AM
Special Hobby 1/48 Lloyd C.V in Weyerhauser or Boise-Cascade markings and bright finish to be used as a flying plywood promotional air machine.   
Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: Daryl J. on August 16, 2008, 10:40:50 AM
Copper State Models Rumpler 6B.1 in the markings of the Royal Alaska Fishing Charter Corps.   Externally mounted fishing chests beneath the fuselage and side-fuselage fishing rod carrying cases by Thule or Yakima.   Dynamite case optional in case there is no game warden around when fishing is slow.

Grigorovich M.5 in matching markings as part of RAFCC airborne repertoire. 


Dornier D.1 in NMF/Clear Doped Linen and AlcoaGermany sponsorship, 4 blade prop and uprated engine.



Daryl J., again thinking aloud during a house-packing break
Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: Daryl J. on August 21, 2008, 09:25:38 PM
German balloon converted to a reven-oo-er utility vehicle for the moonshiners of Kentucky.  iPhone is standard equipment.



Daryl J.


Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: Daryl J. on August 22, 2008, 07:45:08 PM
Albatros D.V with a slightly extended span parasol wing.   Winter skiis for undercarriage.    Kelly Green upper wing and tail assembly, RLM-77 fuselage.
Fokker Dr.1 on floats.   Another Dr.1 in Fat Hermann's markings.


Daryl J.
Title: Re: WW One Aircraft WHIF Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on August 23, 2008, 11:31:24 AM
Sopwith Camel in lo-vis Hemp and lo-viz blue/pink roundels as an off-the-cuff British version of N. African mercenaries.



Daryl J.

[Edit]  Awright, a thread merge from days gone by!   The Nieuport N6-H is great!


Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on August 30, 2008, 11:48:46 PM
Lloyd C.V monoplane---->   Lower wings extended with full aileron and flaps added.    Birdseye Maple outer veneer option in bright finish for civilian luxury versions.   


Fokker D.II on floats.




Daryl J.
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on August 31, 2008, 04:05:10 PM
Sopwith Monocamel:   Fuselage extension just aft the cockpit, wings extended a bit, converted to low winged monoplane.   Metal on wing extensions and fuselage extension, the rest as-moulded by Eduard.


Phonix D.II monoplane:  Lower wing extended but has overall shape of upper wing.



Daryl J., ever thinking aloud ....or is that with his fingertips.
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Taiidantomcat on September 01, 2008, 12:14:07 PM
Saw a big beautiful red dragon fly in my yard today, thought about this thread. What if you keep the standard WWI biplane, but set the wings  behind and just a little under the other? long slim fuselage with some tailfins...Its hard to make a Biplane look fast but this might actually work...
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on September 01, 2008, 12:51:31 PM
Support vehicles might be along this line:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.locomobilia.com%2Fimages%2Ftoy_model_teo_voisin_laboratoire_c6_front_left_full_800.jpg&hash=7196c0acb963d204fcb59139b4602966283709a3)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecrans1024.com%2F1934VoisinC27AerosportBack-full.jpg&hash=f30aabfd1d806c3934bc2ae35f1ecfb24b11a562)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.allsportauto.com%2Fphotoautre5%2Fvoisin%2Fc28%2F1936_avion_voisin_C28_aerosport_07_m.jpg&hash=84f8075fe88cdb4a926863564023659d19eecef2)

These are a bit out of time-line, but fascinating enough to consider.


And for the dragonfly-like idea, how's this for a base machine ready for a stretch and wing addition?
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fiddlersgreen.net%2FAC%2Faircraft%2FAntoinette%2Fimg.jpg&hash=8fb9bbd55320067cb645bd2d5c11cb7ea335dc04)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1000aircraftphotos.com%2FContributions%2FBanhamTony%2F6578L.jpg&hash=4434a6261f33237bca15c593f00ed8db054e12a6)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wwi-models.org%2FImages%2FHochmuth%2FPreWar%2FAntoinette7%2Fant1.jpg&hash=1cd66a4e78dbc2485b06448a7f569b2b8e49ca5d)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wwi-models.org%2FImages%2FHochmuth%2FPreWar%2FAntoinette7%2Fant2.jpg&hash=464e8ac20222d30dc633e3b7392b09661a699d9a)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wwi-models.org%2FImages%2FHochmuth%2FPreWar%2FAntoinette7%2Fant4.jpg&hash=1e7c230a3fe3849d988eb39f8281132cc76f67f7)

or--->The Fokker Spider (Spin)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wwi-models.org%2FImages%2FHochmuth%2FPreWar%2FFokkerSpin3%2Fspin1.jpg&hash=64f6f03bce1dac60060d20ff174ebd607d0f85a3)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wwi-models.org%2FImages%2FHochmuth%2FPreWar%2FFokkerSpin3%2Fspin3.jpg&hash=326e1bade87dae19ed0960b66a9f2ad7fd0ff148)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wwi-models.org%2FImages%2FHochmuth%2FPreWar%2FFokkerSpin3%2Fspin2.jpg&hash=61546693e853c4319623e1751c7fa6e6bf913bc3)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.solcon.nl%2Fgjkool%2Fextra-4%2FP1020147.jpg&hash=2b34441a5b4684e5947e5f85632c9af1e47eb828)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aerospacefacts.com%2Fpictures_L%2FF52483L.jpg&hash=e83912249fef0b3c6dfae109c02292c38af36c99)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.earlyaviator.com%2Farchive%2F1w%2Fimages%2FFokkerSpinIII_B1912.jpg&hash=03cd93327da72832b6d0087831eb7b539978b9d6)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aerospacefacts.com%2Fpictures_L%2FF52492L.jpg&hash=40a22e255937817049f4fbe6c324159b7f5c5e55)


Daryl J.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.forum-auto.com%2Fmesimages%2F101075%2FVoisin%2520Laboratoire%252049.jpg&hash=4628b254eda192ac7bacd13974716a3b9c8834d7)



Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: jcf on September 01, 2008, 03:45:26 PM
Quote from: Daryl J. on September 01, 2008, 12:51:31 PM
Support vehicles might be along this line:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.locomobilia.com%2Fimages%2Ftoy_model_teo_voisin_laboratoire_c6_front_left_full_800.jpg&hash=7196c0acb963d204fcb59139b4602966283709a3)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecrans1024.com%2F1934VoisinC27AerosportBack-full.jpg&hash=f30aabfd1d806c3934bc2ae35f1ecfb24b11a562)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.allsportauto.com%2Fphotoautre5%2Fvoisin%2Fc28%2F1936_avion_voisin_C28_aerosport_07_m.jpg&hash=84f8075fe88cdb4a926863564023659d19eecef2)

These are a bit out of time-line, but fascinating enough to consider.

Daryl J.

A Voisinesque armoured car would be fun to design.   ;D

Jon
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Taiidantomcat on September 01, 2008, 04:07:25 PM
That aircraft is perfect, the tail is exactly what i was thinking. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on September 01, 2008, 05:50:30 PM
QuoteA Voisinesque armoured car would be fun to design.




No kidding!   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Daryl J.
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: ysi_maniac on September 05, 2008, 07:35:17 AM
Those last 2 cars are so beautiful ...!  :wub:
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on September 05, 2008, 09:22:46 PM
Since Eduard just announced a new tool 1/48 Eindekker, that thing has to go on floats as well as a full ''Quadratyre'' conversion as well. (See Bristol Fighter ideas)



Daryl J.
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on September 09, 2008, 10:59:48 PM
Antoinette:    Extended fuselage with a straight-11 cyl engine with a mechanical supercharger, radiator on one side of fuselage, intercooler on the other.   Wings possibly slightly swept.   Wing warp only.   



Daryl J., not too long from signing off.......... :blink:
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on September 10, 2008, 09:53:58 PM
Eduard Sopwith Camel 1/48 (yes another one  :drink:):    Wings extended by two bays on each tip, then square off the tips.   Deployed leading edge slats on both levels of wings, sand tires.  Large sand filters on air intake.   Metal skin on leading edge extending on the wing's topsides about 1/2 to 2/3 the way back.  Metal sheeted flying surfaces.   Skids on landing gear frame to augment tires' floatation.   One machine gun only.     

Blend two Sopwith Camels into a two seat, enlarged aircraft not unlike the 1 1/2 Strutter but with guns held out from fuselage sides on struts and is on floats.   Additional machine gun carrying capability instead of  bombs or torpedos.   Guns suspended in ''Old School'' trapezes or pods beneath wings.


Sopwith Scooter, Sopwith Swallow variants, suitably modified.


Daryl J.
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on October 03, 2008, 03:13:32 PM
Kit specific idea:   
Roden 1/32 Fokker F.1

Laminate in weathered real birch bark peelings (.005 or thinner) into the ''wood triangle''
Red leather seat bottom, Orthodontic wire seatback frame with woven wire seat backing if possible
Glass cockpit/MFD and requisite external antenna(e).
Patchwork thin leather cockpit interior walls with leather lacing, natural finish and light stained leathers.
High shine carbon fiber decals on all interplane and undercarriage struts in natural finish
Overall Tamiya Buff but vertical striping in a blackened burnt umber/burnt sienna oil paint mix in a rather Fokker-like patteren.   Heavy at front of machine but lightening in intensity as it goes towards the aft.   Same with triple wing....most heavy striping (fore-aft rather than 45 degree slant) on upper wing, less on middle, least on bottom wing.  White tailplane, dusty, smudged.
Ratted out linen on aft fuselage.
Impeccable wheels/tires but rusty thin fenders above tires.
One gun only.
Brass landing lights off what could have been an old Rolls Royce Silver Ghost, slung under lower wing or possible midway under midwing.
Spotless engine, weathered exhausts.
Possible wing extensions on all 3 levels, possible leading edge slats on all levels as well.
High polish metal tail skid.
Period specific pilot with some technology upgrades such as a Blackberry, laptop, or even a tube radio device located between the main gear struts.


As above except converted to mid-wing monoplane with a widened chord, extended midwing into proper proportion machine.  On floats with a whiskey keg underslung on midline.



Daryl J., trying to be creative during a boring, sloggy day
Title: Re: WW-I aircraft in general; all whifftreated
Post by: dy031101 on October 04, 2008, 10:13:18 AM
Despite my unimaginativeness I've always fancied an evolution of Airco DH.2...... fixed or retractable cantilever landing gears, new wings that do away with (most if not all) bracing wires, new engine, enclosed cockpit with some armour protection (it's a pusher biplane after all- the engine is taking bullets for the pilot at the back instead at the front), four .303 cal. machineguns or (probably as a field modification) two 20mm cannons, and hardpoints under wings and under fuselage so that it can be used as a dive bomber and close air support aircraft.

I do love the pusher-prop planes.
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on October 04, 2008, 11:16:56 PM
Eduard Fokker D.VII in 1/48 converted to parasol a la E.V and brought up to contemporary technology and in full civilian high gloss show condition with a VW Bug acting as a tow vehicle in colors to match....perhaps both in a Black/White scheme.

Eduard Fokker Dr.1 in 1/48:   narrow ''corrugations'' vertically aligned on cowling underneath lip, corrugations continue on metal sheet covering midwing fuselage section and metal part of underbelly, possibly include horizontal tailplane.    Machine also in a gloss black/white scheme.   Some high buff natural metal finish too.


:cheers:
Daryl J.


Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on October 19, 2008, 02:52:40 PM
Roden 1/32 Fokker F.1:

Increase the ogival curve of the rear tailplane to better appear Albatros D.V-like.   Vertical tail in perforated aluminum.   Rear fuselage side panels in metal sheet with lightening holes...internal structure visible through some of the holes and heavily weathered bare metal...not aluminum so it's quite stained...see Weavers wierd brass in tips'n'techniques section.   Dorsal rear fuselage in high gloss carbon fiber with large metal rivets down the centerline from cockpit to rudder.   Underfuselage in carbon fiber as well but with a metal strip down the midline approx 3/8 inch wide with lightening holes in it too.   Fuselage immediately aft the engine on ventral also lightened with some holes.

Wings undersurfaces replaced in part by metal mesh, overall aluminum sheet.    Cockpit:  Fokker wood wedge done in real, highly weathered wood veneer.   Tubing in creamsicle orange or chartreuse, possibly flat black.    Seat in oxided cherry and gloss black.   One glass cockpit display; others vintage grade.   

Landing gear:  Gloss black, tires in white rubber, wheels in gloss black or red.    Interplane struts in carbon fiber.

Engine converted to a radial from a rotary; prop similar perhaps the leading edge laminated in metal.

Cowling somehow mixed with the logo on a cap form the Punisher.


Daryl J., again thinking aloud.
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on October 22, 2008, 09:56:47 PM
I had an idea that I shared with Brian Da Basher last week about using a biplane as the basis for a WWI era ZELL (Zero Length Launcher) concept.  The aircraft (of your choice) could be mounted on a short monorail launcher, something just long enough to hold the aircraft with the rockets in place.  This launcher could then be ground mounted or maybe placed on a rail flat car.  Maybe a large truck or early armored vehicle like the British Male tank to create a self-propelled transporter-erector-launcher vehicle for the ZELL aircraft.  So there you have it, crazy or not, it had to be shared. 

Christopher Brown has submitted an article on Hyperscale showing how to build a  Lego Biplane Jig (http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/biplanejigcb_1.htm) which may be of some use to anyone that is building biplanes and needs to achieve some closer tolerances than the usual steady hand and keen eye. 
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on October 24, 2008, 10:14:21 AM
Jeffrey,

Awesome!!!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Daryl J.
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: jcf on October 24, 2008, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: Jeffry Fontaine on October 22, 2008, 09:56:47 PM
I had an idea that I shared with Brian Da Basher last week about using a biplane as the basis for a WWI era ZELL (Zero Length Launcher) concept.  The aircraft (of your choice) could be mounted on a short monorail launcher, something just long enough to hold the aircraft with the rockets in place.  This launcher could then be ground mounted or maybe placed on a rail flat car.  Maybe a large truck or early armored vehicle like the British Male tank to create a self-propelled transporter-erector-launcher vehicle for the ZELL aircraft.  So there you have it, crazy or not, it had to be shared. 

Interesting concept, the problem is few, if any, WWI aircraft would be able to take the strain of a rocket assisted launch.
Nor would rockets be necessary, a counterweight or steam powered catapult would work due to the relatively light weight
and biplane layout (lots of wing area = short takeoff) of the majority of aircraft in the period.

Another consideration is that the powder rockets of the period were not very well developed having changed little since the 1840s,
reliability of ignition would be a potentially fatal problem.

One of the Hasegawa 1/72nd scale IJN shipboard catapults mounted on a flatcar or heavy gun type ground emplacement would be ideal.

Jon
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on October 24, 2008, 11:57:57 AM
Quote from: Jeffry Fontaine on October 22, 2008, 09:56:47 PM
I had an idea that I shared with Brian Da Basher last week about using a biplane as the basis for a WWI era ZELL (Zero Length Launcher) concept.  The aircraft (of your choice) could be mounted on a short monorail launcher, something just long enough to hold the aircraft with the rockets in place.  This launcher could then be ground mounted or maybe placed on a rail flat car.  Maybe a large truck or early armored vehicle like the British Male tank to create a self-propelled transporter-erector-launcher vehicle for the ZELL aircraft.  So there you have it, crazy or not, it had to be shared.

Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on October 24, 2008, 10:55:54 AMInteresting concept, the problem is few, if any, WWI aircraft would be able to take the strain of a rocket assisted launch. Nor would rockets be necessary, a counterweight or steam powered catapult would work due to the relatively light weight and biplane layout (lots of wing area = short takeoff) of the majority of aircraft in the period.

Another consideration is that the powder rockets of the period were not very well developed having changed little since the 1840s, reliability of ignition would be a potentially fatal problem.

One of the Hasegawa 1/72nd scale IJN shipboard catapults mounted on a flatcar or heavy gun type ground emplacement would be ideal.

Since this is but a WHIF the laws of physics and sensible engineering practices can be tossed out the window to pursue the absurd.  If they can have sharks with lasers, why not a ZELL Biplane? 
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on October 24, 2008, 02:58:45 PM
If one wants to put a Special Hobby 54mm Nieuport 11 Bebe on landing skids (why not?), one could take the RPM kit of the Model TC armored car, convert it to a tandem axle, remove the armor, put the ZELL rail(s) on and have a rocket on a stem complete with "Made in China" labelling or this massive pulley system that would be a steampunker's delight..................... :drink: :drink: :drink: :blink: :blink: :blink:    The pulley transporter would be another project, of course.


You guys are good! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Daryl J., who got a Fokker F.1 today
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on October 24, 2008, 03:12:07 PM
Kit specific idea:

Academy 1/32 Nieuport 17:   Cowling back to cockpit on fuselage sides:  'Weaver-stained' brass sheet cut into wide strips, oriented vertically in a lap over lap pattern with lightening holes for a metal forward fuselage.    Vertical tail in aluminum sheet round hole mesh.   Undersurface of wings in the same mesh, leading edge of wings upper sides in aluminum sheet to height of contour, aft of that in fabric...but no ribs, instead a honeycomb structure like the Wellington is apparent.     Cowling also a lap over lap construction all the way around with 'keysheets' at both 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock.   Dorsal aft fuselage sewn together coarsely similar to the belly of a Dr.1, only larger threads.     Tail and wheel covers painted with Willie G. Skull.   Gloss black, gloss white, weathered brass, and titanium gold strutting.     Discovery's Biker BuildOff meets Whatifmodelers.com.    Special Hobby Ni-11 Bebe would also work, perhaps even better.

:cheers:
Daryl J., again thinking aloud and not worried a bit if someone uses an idea  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on November 16, 2008, 09:48:47 PM
Kit specific idea:

1/32 Hobbycraft SPAD XIII:   Carbon Fiber main wings, interplane struts, and fuselage center section.  Reduced rigging, high tech filaments used for the wiring.   Ostrich skin seat.    Perforated heat shields along exhaust.   Redone radiator opening.    Mud guards done with a layer of thin solid metal laminated onto a perforated metal outer layer.
Will modify idea once kit in hand circa 3-4 weeks.



Daryl J.

Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Taiidantomcat on November 22, 2008, 10:12:58 AM
Something my brother whiffed up at my request, still not quiet finished but how pretty is this?

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg136.imageshack.us%2Fimg136%2F3676%2Ff14lozenge2ql4.jpg&hash=36960fdbad95dcb06232539ec22e99fe9aa1084e)
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on November 22, 2008, 11:18:51 AM
The Tomcat fits with the idea I'd had yesterday of putting digital cammo on a Sopwith Camel or SPAD........... ;D



Daryl J.
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on April 07, 2009, 05:50:33 PM
Check out the wing parts breakdown on Wingnuts new Junkers J.1.   Does it lend itself to all kinds of alternate wing planforms or what?  Wood?  Shape changes?  Extended span. STOL (I'm sure the Swiss did this). etc.       

And the Bristol Fighter in 1/32?   Now *that* kit is a great candidate for the Quadratyre, Marconi equipped variant.   :party: :party: :party:

:cheers:
Daryl J.
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: ElectrikBlue on April 09, 2009, 10:24:00 AM
Quote from: Daryl J. on April 07, 2009, 05:50:33 PM
Check out the wing parts breakdown on Wingnuts new Junkers J.1.   Does it lend itself to all kinds of alternate wing planforms or what?  Wood?  Shape changes?  Extended span. STOL (I'm sure the Swiss did this). etc.       
Daryl, I've tried 'reversing' the airframe of a Junkers D.I, here's the result the Junkers D.II...
a canard version of the Junkers D.I with a tricycle, foldable undercarriage and two rudders moved to the half span position of each wing.
:cheers:

EB
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Doc Yo on April 09, 2009, 11:50:20 AM
On the notion of a ZEL arrangement for Biplanes, joncarrfarrelly wrote

QuoteNor would rockets be necessary, a counterweight or steam powered catapult would work due to the relatively light weight
and biplane layout (lots of wing area = short takeoff) of the majority of aircraft in the period.


That makes me think of using a trebuchet...I've also been toying with the idea of converting an old
Aurora Gotha to a pair of Coanda turbines...
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: GTX on April 09, 2009, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: ElectrikBlue on April 09, 2009, 10:24:00 AM
Quote from: Daryl J. on April 07, 2009, 05:50:33 PM
Check out the wing parts breakdown on Wingnuts new Junkers J.1.   Does it lend itself to all kinds of alternate wing planforms or what?  Wood?  Shape changes?  Extended span. STOL (I'm sure the Swiss did this). etc.       
Daryl, I've tried 'reversing' the airframe of a Junkers D.I, here's the result the Junkers D.II...
a canard version of the Junkers D.I with a tricycle, foldable undercarriage and two rudders moved to the half span position of each wing.
:cheers:

EB

That first one is downright wicked! :thumbsup: :wub:

Please do some more views of it!

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: ChernayaAkula on April 09, 2009, 04:07:17 PM
EB, that's excellent!  :bow:

Taiidantomcat, that F-14 looks great! :thumbsup: Too bad I'm afraid of Lozenge patterns.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: jcf on April 09, 2009, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: Doc Yo on April 09, 2009, 11:50:20 AM
On the notion of a ZEL arrangement for Biplanes, joncarrfarrelly wrote

QuoteNor would rockets be necessary, a counterweight or steam powered catapult would work due to the relatively light weight
and biplane layout (lots of wing area = short takeoff) of the majority of aircraft in the period.


That makes me think of using a trebuchet...I've also been toying with the idea of converting an old
Aurora Gotha to a pair of Coanda turbines...

The Coanda jet wasn't a Turbine, it used a compressor driven by a four-cylinder engine, the compressed air was then
conducted to burner cans, mixed with fuel and ignited. Coanda's design was similar in concept to the composite engines
used in the Campini-Caproni, Ohka and MiG I-250.

Jon
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: dy031101 on April 09, 2009, 05:49:35 PM
Um...... pusher-prop......  :cheers:
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Doc Yo on April 10, 2009, 11:25:22 AM
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on April 09, 2009, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: Doc Yo on April 09, 2009, 11:50:20 AM
On the notion of a ZEL arrangement for Biplanes, joncarrfarrelly wrote

QuoteNor would rockets be necessary, a counterweight or steam powered catapult would work due to the relatively light weight
and biplane layout (lots of wing area = short takeoff) of the majority of aircraft in the period.


That makes me think of using a trebuchet...I've also been toying with the idea of converting an old
Aurora Gotha to a pair of Coanda turbines...

The Coanda jet wasn't a Turbine, it used a compressor driven by a four-cylinder engine, the compressed air was then
conducted to burner cans, mixed with fuel and ignited. Coanda's design was similar in concept to the composite engines
used in the Campini-Caproni, Ohka and MiG I-250.

Jon

I won't quibble. Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on April 11, 2009, 03:25:47 PM
From another thread:


The SE5a Hisso:  Clip the wings one bay, remove the weapons, and using an 1918-ish font build up the Red Bull demonstration aircraft.   Colors according to the era.

The LVG:  convert the wings to plywood, increase both top and bottom spans by about a quarter  and bring the tips to a point not unlike the wings of some Lloyd aircraft only the point is mid chord rather than far aft.  Bright wood finish.   High altitude pressure suits for the aviators that fit in with Jules Verne or Alan Quatermain styles.   The thin air machine gets used for early meteorological research.   Perhaps it drops  lines of weather balloons....

The Bristol Fighter:  Marconi-equipped Quadratyre with a bunch of vacuum tubes and thin wire antennae...see thread on WW-1 stuff from a couple years ago.  It might be heavy enough that the only thing it can shoot a Zeppelin down with at night is a flaming arrow from a longbow, but what the hey.   

The Junkers:  Since the kit is of the machines with the fabric aft fuselage, convert the back half to plywood that has external carbon fibre supports, a glass cockpit with a few old time instruments for good measure.   Hand thrown small laser guided bombs.  Natural metal fuselage in the front.  Possible conversion into a monoplane using an extension of that big upper wing on the lower.    Building up a 1/32 scale laptop for the pilot to be searching out his orders, weather, and stock quotes is far beyond my skill level at this time but could add to a diorama's impact.   

Now if Peter decides they need to kit a B.E.2c........

Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: GTX on April 11, 2009, 07:54:03 PM
Inspired by EB's Junkers, a revised Albatross:

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi37.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe68%2FGTwiner%2FMore%2520Creations%2Fa25cffe4.gif%3Ft%3D1239504788&hash=897631b9a1edc84709ffc7ae2a7ed3e5c5460baf)

Note - no practical thought went into this.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: jcf on April 11, 2009, 10:37:17 PM
A potential interceptor of the De Bruyere Canard ground attack aircraft.  ;D

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fflyingmachines.ru%2FImages7%2FAerodrome%2F346-1.jpg&hash=7019e93cfa664b57dd0979f942fcd8ebf6c4f01a)

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fflyingmachines.ru%2FImages7%2FAerodrome%2F346.jpg&hash=71bf25d3d4f5828c6e1f0f5c845a86c6b5cca853)

Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: Daryl J. on April 22, 2009, 04:58:56 PM
Since the kit is headed down the pike, the Gotha G.IV in FedEX livery.   Munitions removed entirely and a removable pod slung underneath the fuselage for the parcels.   

Then in a time warp, the same type of machine gets used by NASA as a weather research aircraft with requisite armor for the machine and armored flight suits for the open cockpited crew.   Decals from the brilliant 1/48 sheet Jennings did for the  TSR.2.   White aircraft overall trimmed in yellow and da-glow orange.

What's a good German beer?  ( can you tell my drinking is limited to principally Scotch?)   Anyways, the Gotha could also be used for aerial transport of lager in the livery of the manufacturer.     That'd be fun.

:cheers:
Daryl J.
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, the thread blend :-)
Post by: jcf on April 22, 2009, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: Daryl J. on April 22, 2009, 04:58:56 PM
What's a good German beer?  ( can you tell my drinking is limited to principally Scotch?)   Anyways, the Gotha could also be used for aerial transport of lager in the livery of the manufacturer.     That'd be fun.

:cheers:
Daryl J.

Dunno about good, but the Gothaer Waggonfabrik AG was located in Warnemünde, a sea resort and district of Rostock on the Baltic, so
being as its considered part of Rostock, how about Rostocker Pils?
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.katunddet.de%2Fimages%2Ffaesser%2Frostocker_pils.jpg&hash=59d688dd1fe08b868c04f24bd8c46b71fb225f80)

Jon
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, now with greater possibilities thanks to P. Jacks
Post by: Daryl J. on May 04, 2009, 02:53:17 PM
The Wingnuts Junkers J.I is too funky not to whiff.    Am giving serious consideration to putting it on floats, carrying a rugged looking single bomb or torpedo slung beneath, and RATO-like cannisters.    If so, a lighter overall neutral color would likely be applied to emphasize the shape and modifications rather than hiding them beneath a 3-4 tone camo job.

Hopefully the kit is in house by 9 May.    :wub: :wub:
[Edit]  It arrived stateside and is held for clearance.   
[Edit]  It arrived at the door 7 May.  WoW!!!!!  What a kit.

After looking at the kit, it would do as a low altitude ground attack light bomber.   Blending the Never Retired idea with the J.I and given the current piracy problem in Somalia, some sort of satellite communications gear (weighing the equivalent of the observer and his gun) in the aft bay that looks like it could fit in with the WW-1 era and a set of droppable fuel air explosives slung beneath the wings might work.    Natural metal and a light muslin colored coating for the linen.   I'm not sure 5mm plate would withstand the MG fire from the pirate rafts and boats but the FAE's ought to disperse the threat a bit.




:cheers:
Daryl J.
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft WHIF Ideas, now with greater possibilities thanks to P. Jacks
Post by: jcf on May 14, 2009, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: Daryl J. on May 04, 2009, 02:53:17 PM

After looking at the kit, it would do as a low altitude ground attack light bomber.   

:cheers:
Daryl J.

Uhhh, Daryl that's exactly the role that the J.1 was built to perform.
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft for Whiffery.
Post by: Daryl J. on May 14, 2009, 03:08:08 PM
QuoteAfter looking at the kit, it would do as a low altitude ground attack light bomber.   


Daryl J.

Uhhh, Daryl that's exactly the role that the J.1 was built to perform.

Oops....missed the word 'alternative'.   :banghead:  LoL.    

Munitions in mind at the time were impossible for the time frame:  offbeat laser guided bombs, fuel air explosives, Rockeye-like variants,  etc.


Daryl J., often found with a silly, profound sense of the obvious. 
Title: Re: WW-I Aircraft for Whiffery.
Post by: Daryl J. on May 23, 2009, 11:02:13 AM
Since the L.V.G. C.VI continued in production post war, several wound up in the U.S. and were converted in Knut's Cabinet Shop near the Fargo Airport there. They were used by the Prairie Parcel Air Delivery Service, the company that eventually gave rise to UPS. Did ya know that UPS had its roots in Nort Dakota?  Apparently the darkened varnish on the fuselage is what gave rise to UPS choosing their olive brown color.  Their use in the Northern Great Plains is not well documented but it is rumored that Eric Ericson, Nels Nelson, John Johnson, and Thor Thorstensen each have an old picture or two that their grandpas took back in the day.   They got talking over lefse and coffee at the potluck and while remembering the Good Ol' Days brought up the old company and the pictures got discussed a bit.   If they can find them, they're going to try sell them at the garage sale this summer.  Hopefully a collector who'll appreciate them will show up and they might sell for a dime or two each!  They are also going to Nort. Dakota soon to check the rock pile over on the Krack's place too.   They've got a few parts of an old German airplane engine there.   Y'know, that might be interesting.   Mrs. Krack make pretty good apple pie too.



Daryl J.



Daryl J.