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Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on June 19, 2006, 12:24:57 AM
This is a model made specifically for a groub build organized for our modelclub, here in Hellas (www.modelclub.gr). I came here after a kind invitation of Damian, who saw my post at ARC and asked me to post it here also. Thanks to him i now know, that there is a What-If board available :).

This model took me approximately 3 months to complete. Eduard Photoetched parts where used, the ACESS-II seat of Legend productions and alot of scratchbuilding (including the Vulcan and its housing) where done on this one to achieve a certain level of detail.

Gunze acrylics with alot of mixes where used to achieve the 4 different colours of the camouflage, which i called GHOST-III  :lol: . It is painted freehand, using the Harder & Steenbeck Evolution with the 0.2mm nozzle attached.

So here you go, some pictures that show a little "in progress" steps before finishing this kit.

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The cockpit with the addition of Eduard set, and the Legend seat.

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Some minor detailing to the wheel wells and the missile bays.

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Attached on the fuselage.
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on June 19, 2006, 12:29:00 AM
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A close up of the wheel wells and missile bays, after their painting and applying of wash.

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The cocpkit. Among the other added details, where some switches here and there.

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The canopy base also detailed according to photos of the real thing. Brass and Plastic styrene where used.

Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on June 19, 2006, 12:35:57 AM
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The painting in its first stages. It took me approximately 24 hours to settle with the right colours and complete it. The dark blue was repainted 3 times before i felt satisfied with the shade of it. Alot of different shades where used to give a weathered effect on the aircraft. It added significantly on the realism of the camouflage.  ^_^

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A general view from the top.

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Another view.
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on June 19, 2006, 12:44:36 AM
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A view of the undersides, the camouflage was sprayed in wraparround mode. That required a rather big ammount of time and patience.

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The scratch vulcan cannon and some minor weathering done on it.

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Transfers applied. This plane belongs to 343 Squadron based on Crete, and it is the 2nd plane delivered to Hellas  B) .


Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on June 19, 2006, 12:48:24 AM
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The model after applying the wash.

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Another view. The canopy is attached on the kit without gluing as a test.

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The final result of the weathering on the vulcan cannon can be seen here. I used postshading technics and Smoke from Gunze to achieve this kind of weathering.
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on June 19, 2006, 12:50:02 AM
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The model is finished. Here is a closeup on the cockpit.

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Another one.

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A general view.
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on June 19, 2006, 12:51:56 AM
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A view of the undersides. Alclad-II shades where used for the metallic effect on the jet exhaust panels.

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Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on June 19, 2006, 12:55:08 AM
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A close up on the main wheels. PE parts and brash wires where used to level up their detail.

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The sidewinders inside their bays.

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The end result has indeed satisfied me, and it worth all the effort and time spent on it. I would definitely try and do another what-if, and the Rafale in 1:48 from Revell is the perfect candidate  :D .
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on June 19, 2006, 01:34:06 AM
Welcome to WHIF!

Congratulations on building a very impressive model from a kit that has received a lot of negative comments.  

This is very well done model and the amount of detail that you have managed to include is excellent.  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: gooberliberation on June 19, 2006, 01:49:48 AM
Dare I say, thats probably the best looking Raptor model I've ever seen :wub:  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: anthonyp on June 19, 2006, 05:36:41 AM
Ya know, that plane looks really sharp in Hellenic colors.  Welcome aboard!

:cheers:  :cheers:  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Radish on June 19, 2006, 05:45:13 AM
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY AWESOME :wub:  :P  :wub:  :P  :wub:  :P  :wub:  :P  :wub:  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: PolluxDeltaSeven on June 19, 2006, 06:57:12 AM
BEAUTIFUL!!!!

Very fabulous!!!

I'm already waiting for the Rafale Whif, with such a beautiful camo I hope ;) !!!


Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Archibald on June 19, 2006, 07:25:47 AM
I'm stunned... Lovely camo!!! Impresive model indeed!!!  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: wolfik on June 19, 2006, 07:32:36 AM
wow...awesome... :blink:
its the best ´22 ever seen...the best camo indeed...
welcome ! :cheers:  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on June 19, 2006, 08:11:00 AM
Thank you all for your kind replies and the welcoming. I am happy i could discover this forum with the help of Damian. Ofcourse it will be my first move to post the Rafale when its completed here, and i will do my best for it to have a suited camouflage for its sillouette, but not the same as this F-22. I am still working it out.

Have good modelling days! :)
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: PolluxDeltaSeven on June 19, 2006, 08:41:27 AM
And don't forget Brutalos: if you want some help or some information for your Rafale, we're here !! ;)



Did you already chose your Rafale nationality??
In my dreams, I often imagine Rafale in Greek, Egyptian, Taiwanese and Indian camos!! So lovely scheme's possibilities!! :wub:  :wub:


So, good luck and "reviens-nous vite avec ton Rafale! " :P  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Hatchet on June 19, 2006, 08:46:16 AM
Still looking bloody great Brutalos B)

Let's have three cheers for Damian :party: :party: :party:

:cheers:
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Damian2 on June 19, 2006, 09:40:43 AM
Hi again Brutalos!!!

Welocme to the brotherhood!!!  :cheers:

Again I say that is one of the best models I've seen this year and the best '22 EVER!!!
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Radish on June 19, 2006, 09:46:11 AM
Agreed. I keep coming back to look at it.
A terrific job.
I quite fancy a Greek F-35 now too. :P  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Tophe on June 19, 2006, 09:59:02 AM
Great work! :wub:  Congratulations... :)  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Spey_Phantom on June 19, 2006, 10:04:18 AM
nice raptor  :wub:

man, you da man  :o  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Shasper on June 19, 2006, 10:19:28 AM
THink I wetted myself, thats B E A Utiful!


Shas B)
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: BlackOps on June 19, 2006, 11:55:16 AM
As I said in the other thread, this is the nicest F-22 I have seen, very nice  :wub:

Thanks for accepting the invitation and sharing this great model with us, hope to see more! Thanks to Damian2 for his quick thinking and delivery of the invite :)



Jeff G.
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on June 19, 2006, 12:54:21 PM
You make me blush  :wub:  :wub: . I must say that is the most warm welcome i have ever received...Thank you again  :wub: .

 The Rafale is going to be Greek as well, maybe in a mixed 3-tone scheme like the one that Hellenic Mirage-2000's are wearing. Still have to decide :D. I'll be sure to come here first if i will need any help!

Cheers guys!  :tornado:  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Captain Canada on June 19, 2006, 12:56:22 PM
Yes, welcome aboard, Brutalos !

Very nice job indeed....the nicest F-22 yet. Awesome job on the paint.

:wub:  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Family Guy on June 19, 2006, 01:47:04 PM
Well thats a bloody awesome 22!!! I must say a long long time i htought that the rapotr is a boring plane but with that super camo it looks so hammerst great!!! can't wait to see the rafale!!
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Gary on June 19, 2006, 02:48:04 PM
Wowsers, what a great scheme! That's the first time I've seen a Raptor and thought she was beautiful. (or a box of parts to scab onto another model) You make me wanna build something again!
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Eddie M. on June 19, 2006, 08:21:10 PM
Now that's making a grand entrance with style B). Welcome aboard! Outstanding build with an awesome paint job. I, too, keep coming back for more looks. Looking forward to more of your work.
  Eddie  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Scooterman on June 19, 2006, 10:09:48 PM
Everybody has pretty much said what I was thinking but for the record......

WOW

and

Welcome! :cheers:  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Patrick H on June 20, 2006, 03:11:01 AM
Welcome aboard Brutalos, and what an entry you've made, absolutely fantastic Raptor.

:cheers:

Patrick
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Son of Damian on June 20, 2006, 10:18:08 AM
Holy F@#$%^g Sh*t, that is one Kick donkey Raptor!!!  B)  :wub:  B)  :wub:  B)  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: BobbyK on June 20, 2006, 12:25:51 PM
:o HOLY C%$P!!!!!!!!!!!!  That is amazing work!!!!  Welcome aboard, and PLEASE show us more of your goodies.
    Did you paint that camo pattern freehanded with an airbrush??  What colors did you use....it looks right at home with the Greek markings.
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on June 20, 2006, 01:21:19 PM
Haha! You made me laugh with those awesome comments :lol:  :lol:  :wub:  :D  :D .

Now for the questions of BobbyK, yes the camouflage is painted freehand with a double action airbrush  B) . The colours that was used where in total approximation as follows (since i didn't had the enlightment to keep a log of mixes percentage (%) when i made 'em) :

FS 36307 , LIFECOLOR - UA 113 , with GUNZE mixes using the : H-334 & Η-337 in 5/1 proportion.
FS 36251 , LIFECOLOR - UA 034 , with GUNZE i used exclusively the Η-337 with some addition of mat white H-11.
FS 35237 , LIFECOLOR - UA 145 , with GUNZE (now thats one picky b@st@rd) it can be done with H-42 & Η-25 & H-11 & H-308 in 3 / 1 / 3 / 2 proportion.
The deep blue tone is almost identical to the one used on the Hellenic Mirage-2000's. It comes from a mix using the Η-42 & Η-308 in 3/1 proportion.
The lifecolor codes are being given because i took those as a reference to make the first three. They did helped me alot to achieve the colour tones that i needed.

I hope this helps more than confuses!!  :unsure:  :unsure:  B)  :P . Ohhh, and by the way, here you are, three more pics to try and ease your apetite for more :D.

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Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Sisko on June 20, 2006, 06:02:39 PM

That is one damned impressive display of freehand airbrushing!!!!!! :wub:

The F22 looks awesome. I've got the italeri F22 I think that I willl have to go and chase up those detail sets.

Welcome aboard!
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Ollie on June 20, 2006, 06:23:06 PM
AMAZING!!

:o  :o  :o  :o  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Ian the Kiwi Herder on June 22, 2006, 07:49:27 AM
What a debut !

The guys have covered just about all I could say.... so, simply, welcome along, I for one am looking forward to your next model - What If or Real....  :cheers:

Ian
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: nev on June 22, 2006, 10:59:24 PM
AMAZING!!

STUNNING!!!

FANTASTIC!!!


10/10, go to the top of the class  B)


Is there a thread on ARC?  I'm sure their resident F-22 drivers would like it  :wub:  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: John Howling Mouse on June 24, 2006, 07:56:05 AM
That does it----I'm packing up the modelling tools, etc. and goin' HOME!   :P

This is way too good.   :o

Ridiculously good.  I mean, I've heard about models this good but thought they were mythical, like King Arthur, life without taxes, lesbians without chest-hair...

This is so over the top.  How does anyone get to this degree of excellence?

Inspiring but a little scary too.  Time to add a new folder to my collection of What If Artwork.
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: cthulhu77 on June 24, 2006, 08:08:24 AM
Holy Mackerel.  That is just plane stunning, a real fantastic job.
   :cheers:  greg
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on June 24, 2006, 11:18:08 PM
Thank you for your kind replies! See you soon with the next project  ;) .
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on October 01, 2006, 06:09:25 AM
Between September 28th and October 1st we had our annual IPMS modelling contest. I went there with my What-If Raptor.... and here are the results!! Gold medal in the What-If category! It sure gave me strength to continue the ongoing projects. Thank you all again for your kind words some months ago. I also found out that almost everybody liked the Raptor in its What-If camouflage much better that the dull two tone grey one ;).

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Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Radish on October 01, 2006, 06:19:15 AM
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

Very well deserved too :D  :D  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: upnorth on October 01, 2006, 06:37:02 AM
Absolutely stunning!

I don't care much for the Raptor in reality, but your rendition of it here is great.


Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: nev on October 01, 2006, 07:18:23 AM
Congratulations, and thoroughly deserved :)
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: BlackOps on October 01, 2006, 09:02:39 AM
BRAVO!  Congratulations on the win, it is as beautiful now as ever  :wub:  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: John Howling Mouse on October 01, 2006, 09:46:35 AM
Of COURSE it won!!!   ;)   :wub:

This is still the most interesting, captivating Raptor I've ever seen (model or real).

Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Son of Damian on October 01, 2006, 10:31:34 AM
Congratulations!!!  B)

And may I ask is that a Greek Typhoon behind your Raptor???

:cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:

Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on October 01, 2006, 10:43:22 AM
Thank you all!! And, yes Son of Damian, this is a Greek Eurofighter in Mirage-2000 colours behind my Raptor! :)
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: PolluxDeltaSeven on October 01, 2006, 12:02:05 PM
Congrats Brutalos!!
You surely deserve it: your F-22 was the best looking Raptor I ever saw!!  :wub:

May I ask you if you still plan to build a Rafale in HAL scheme?  :wub:  :wub:
If you do, don't forget that someone (hem... I mean ME!!)  here will probably fall in love with such a new what-if model!!  :lol:  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on October 01, 2006, 02:15:57 PM
Thank you PolluxDeltaSeven! Yes the What-If Rafale is in my next to do projects. I am already trying to figure out how to invest my time better for all those models that are waiting in my closet!  :P  :P  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: PolluxDeltaSeven on October 01, 2006, 03:41:17 PM
QuoteYes the What-If Rafale is in my next to do projects.
Very good news!!!!  :wub:

I'm myself a big fan of the Rafale aircraft, so if you need any information about it, just send me an PM!! ;)

I really hope that the HAF will finally chose the Rafale... but for that, Dassault had to learn "how to sell combat planes in the 21th century"!  :lol:  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Brutalos on October 01, 2006, 11:15:14 PM
Thank you! I will keep that in mind! As things are turning out the Rafale will be too difficult to be chosen, the eurofighter has a significant head in the likings of our military investigators. Personally i would love for us to buy some Flankers... but thats never gonna happen...  :rolleyes:   :cheers:  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: rallymodeller on October 02, 2006, 12:00:55 AM
QuotePersonally i would love for us to buy some Flankers... but thats never gonna happen...  :rolleyes:   :cheers:
Ain't that always the way?

Sigh.
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: NARSES2 on October 02, 2006, 05:19:52 AM
Heartiest congratulations - and to the judges for having the courage to give First to a WIF  :)  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Hatchet on October 02, 2006, 12:27:04 PM
Congratulations Brutalos! Very well deserved I might add :D
QuoteHeartiest congratulations - and to the judges for having the courage to give First to a WIF  :)
They kinda had to, seeing as it was in the whiff category ;)
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 02, 2006, 12:41:07 PM
Perfect :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: NARSES2 on October 03, 2006, 01:37:21 AM
QuoteCongratulations Brutalos! Very well deserved I might add :D
QuoteHeartiest congratulations - and to the judges for having the courage to give First to a WIF  :)
They kinda had to, seeing as it was in the whiff category ;)
oops teach me to read rather then scan  :dum:  
Title: HAF F-22A What-If
Post by: Damian2 on October 06, 2006, 11:10:10 AM
Congrats!!!  :cheers:

I can't wait to see more of your work!!