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Re: Mi-24 Hind
« Reply #60 on: October 05, 2010, 07:05:05 am »
....as to what the little tube under the two larger ones is please? I been Google'ing n Jeeves'ing it....found a few pics but no info.....I'm wondering if it is some sort of SA7 field modification...?.....many thanks for any help.....H



http://www.allbestwallpapers.com/wallpaper/military/image/mi-24_hind_military_aviation_helicopter.jpg

The plot thickens! I just found out (via Wikipedia, of all places :rolleyes:), that the first pic is a DOD image of a Hind operated by the US.   :o
HERE'S the pic on DefenseImagery.Mil. The caption reads: Right side front view medium shot at a Russian made Hind Mi-24 helicopter from the Army Test and Evaluation Center, Threat Support Activity, Las Vegas, Nevada, taxis back after providing simulated hostile threats to Search and Rescue operations, during Desert Rescue. Desert Rescue is a Joint Service Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR), exercise designed to fully integrate planning and execution of both immediate and dedicated missions. Location: NAVAL AIR STATION FALLON

So this is in fact the Mi-24 of the US aggressor unit dy031101 mentioned a couple of posts above, which would make the missiles Stingers.

Regarding SA-7s mounted on helicopters, the German Wikipedia article (CLICKY!) on the SA-7 Grail says there's a version named 9K32MV Strela-2MV for air-to-air use on helicopters.

How would a version of ATE Superhind Mk.V with four R-60s have sounded?

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Re: Mi-24 Hind
« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2010, 05:31:46 pm »
Many thanks for the info.....on the third page of this thread I posted a pic of one in flight....I have found no other refferance re 3 barrel machine gun/cannon....which is what it appears to be armed with.....anyone shed any light on this please.....?
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Re: Mi-24 Hind
« Reply #62 on: November 27, 2010, 06:23:32 pm »
Pure speculation, but isn't that the same one (or at least similar) as the previous picture, ie an American-operated aggressor aircraft? It has those same small tubes on the wingtip stations. In which case, might it have been re-armed with an American weapon, such as the GAU-19? This is a .50 weapon, with three- and six-barrelled variants. Or it could be a dummy.
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Re: Mi-24 Hind
« Reply #63 on: November 27, 2010, 06:34:31 pm »
Many thanks for the info.....on the third page of this thread I posted a pic of one in flight....I have found no other refferance re 3 barrel machine gun/cannon....which is what it appears to be armed with.....anyone shed any light on this please.....?

That image appears to be an Mi-35 export model, and all I've read suggests that that model can be armed with different weapons according to the user's specs.  No info yet on the specific weapon, though.
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Re: Mi-24 Hind
« Reply #64 on: November 27, 2010, 10:13:28 pm »
Thanks for the replies....I don't think they are the same helo due to the numerous differences....although the idea of it being a GECAL .50 cal sounds plausible
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Re: Mi-24 Hind
« Reply #65 on: November 28, 2010, 08:44:24 am »
That could be a GAU-19, or it could be the original YakB which is also a three-barrel .50Russian chaingun.
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Re: Mi-24 Hind
« Reply #66 on: November 28, 2010, 08:58:19 am »
The Yak-B has four barrels, not three. That's the confusing thing - it looks pretty much identical to the Yak-B, but minus a barrel.
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Re: Mi-24 Hind
« Reply #67 on: November 28, 2010, 11:14:11 am »
Don't think it's a GAU-19. Look at the barrels. They're too close together (almost touching at the muzzles). On the GAU-19 they're much farther apart.

I think the pylon adapter on the inboard pylon indicates that this is one of the Hinds used in OPFOR roles by the US, with the new pylon used to carry US stores. Here's another pic of the Mi-24P seen above. Look at the belly, where you can just make out a red ACMI pod mounted to the inner starboard pylon.

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Re: Mi-24 Hind
« Reply #68 on: November 28, 2010, 01:32:41 pm »
Those are 30mm GSh-30K twin-barrel cannons and very much a Russian idea.
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Re: Mi-24 Hind
« Reply #69 on: November 28, 2010, 02:02:13 pm »
Yes....they are on the one on the ground....the weapon in question is the (apparently) three barred chin turret gun on the airborne photo....
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Re: Mi-24 Hind
« Reply #70 on: November 28, 2010, 03:00:43 pm »
The pic again:

Three barrels. Tightly grouped. Doesn't look like a GAU-19 and also doesn't look like a Yak-B with just one barrel missing (which would have the muzzles in a right-angled triangle and not the isosceles triangle we can see in this pic).

Going by the absent landing light on the port side, this is a Mi-24D (even though it sports AT-6s) or it's export model, the Mi-25. Mi-24s from the Mi-24V onwards had the additional landing light (can be seen in the pic of the Mi-24P above).

Maybe this is just some dummy installation? Maybe they needed the Yak-B for something else and installed a mock-up in its place?  I don't think they'd actually need a working MG in a threat simulator, which might also explain the AT-6 ATGMs on the older variant of the Hind.

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Re: Mi-24 Hind
« Reply #71 on: November 30, 2010, 11:20:23 am »
Dunno if this got mentioned, but the US Army does have an "Aggressor" unit based at Ft. Polk, Louisiana that flies Hinds, as well as Hips (and I think they've got a Colt or two as well).
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Re: Mi-24 Hind
« Reply #72 on: November 30, 2010, 05:31:24 pm »
Got this from a user on "flugzeugforum.de" who was, AFAIK, a crew chief on Mi-24s in the NVA-LSK (Air Force of German Democratic Republic's National People's Army). The two Hinds above are both ex-NVA-LSK Hinds. The SA-7 launchers are mock-ups (still trying to find out whether they're just mock-ups with a real background or completely made-up). He also can't identify the gun, but says the gun mount was altered as well.
Yefim Gordon's book says that one US Mi-24 was fitted with an M197 for a short time before reverting to the original gun. This, however, can't be the one, as this pic was taken several years after the M197 was removed.

HERE'S the pic again on Picasa Web Albums, with some further annotations:
"A Soviet made MI-24 Hind helicopter gunship flown by U.S. Army Test and Evaluation (ATEC) Command Threat Support Activity pilots, Biggs Army Airfield, Fort. Bliss Texas attacks Air Defense Artillery (ADA) units during Roving Sands 2000 on June 18, 2000. Stretching across the United States, incorporating all four Services and their National Guard and Reserve components, and with ever growing multi-national participation the total force exercise Roving Sands is the worldŐs largest joint theater air andmissile defense exercise. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Jim Varhegyi) (RELEASED)"
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Re: Mi-24 Hind
« Reply #73 on: December 06, 2010, 03:57:43 pm »
Since Mav did a profile request from Cobra for a SAR Mi-24 the other day, I've had an idea forming in my mind about a naval Hind.

Here's the original profile:


So maybe a Hind A as a major naval variant, ASW, SAR, AEW.  Bubble nose versions taking on the assault role.  Fixed gear similar to a Hip to save weight, with shorter stub wings & less hard points to allow for easier deck handling.  Any further thoughts?
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Re: Mi-24 Hind
« Reply #74 on: December 06, 2010, 04:18:00 pm »
I like the idea.....fixed under carriage like the Hip or Kamov Helix/Hormone......The A as you said in the roles mentioned. Are you thinking crew comfort re larger cabin..? No need for the nose gun....mix of torps/depth charges..? How would you extend the range..? Fuel tank in the rear cabin..? Leave the hardpoints for hardware..?....Never made an A variant,closest I came was the Airfix 1/72 kit that gave the option for A or D.....D it was....!!
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