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GROUP BUILDS => Themed Build Repository => The Gnat Theme Build => Topic started by: ysi_maniac on September 26, 2008, 11:27:08 am
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Some year ago I began to think in this project, then I posted some of my ideas. One of you, I think Geoff or Thorvic (btw, I do not know if they are the same person or they have just the same christian name) recomend me to use an F-5 as aft fuselage donor. Then I did not have that bit in my spare box and tried with a F-15 1/144. After more than one year looking at the think and feeling bad, I decided that Geoff or Thorvic was right :bow: :bow: and I had to begin again :banghead: :banghead:
Here you can see the ongoing project compared with an unstarted Gnat model.
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I'm going to be watching this one Carlos :thumbsup:
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Another possible kit for some the of the larger Gnat derivatives is the Hasegawa Grumman F11F Tiger. It's similar in shape & proportion to the Gnat, just larger. Don't mean to hijack your build though Carlos, I'm looking forward to this as a fan of all thinks Gnat-ish!
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Neat idea! :thumbsup:
Funnily enough, I've been looking at the gap between the trailing edges of the wings on my (Gnat-based) Avro Atom project, and wondering if, and how, I should twin-engine it. The F-5 rear fuse trick would probably work, although I think I'd have to turn it upside down to match the high-mounted tailless delta. However I've decided to stick with a single engine, at least for this version.
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The only other small twin jet in this scale i can think of is the Matchbox Fiat F-91Y which aint that easy to find these days unless as a Japanes import.
Another possible source coulf be 1/100 twin jets (1/144 is probably a little too small for the job), however finding only the Hornet and Tornado may fit the mark as most other twin jets are the later split engine types or blended wing types.
Look forward to seeing how this build progresses Carlos
Geoff
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Thinking in engines ...
Was RB.153 used by any real aircraft?
Does anyone have information on RB-153 dimensions?
Thanks a lot in advance.
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You may find this site interesting if you havent already found it:
http://www.vectorsite.net/avgnat.html (http://www.vectorsite.net/avgnat.html)
At the bottom it has a small bit on the unbuilt variants. BSP: Fighters has a few pages on the 'super Gnat' variants too.
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Some update
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Looking good.. what plans are you working from?
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Spidey-sense is tingling...
This is going to spin the heads of a few JMNs, that's for sure! :thumbsup:
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Good looking PSR work there Carlos :wub: :thumbsup:
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Ah, now you've entered the fun stage of Whiffery --- PSR. This should look pretty good when you get it done.
Ed
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Project going on ...
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Wow - that is looking like a really elegant little machine: nice one! :thumbsup:
Must get my Avro Atom moving again......
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Glad you picked this up again Carlos! :thumbsup:
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;D
Now it is time for you to help me to decide:
1) Two time frames: just after service entry or after a MLU, adding some bits...
2) Roundels and scheme: RAF or export (plausible suggestions)
3) Deppending on former points: weapon options.
Thanks a lot,
Carlos.
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1/ Up to you Carlos, it just depends on how much extra work you want to put in to it.
2/ Finnish, or Finnish, or maybe FINNISH.
3/ Air/Ground or Air /Air, I do not mind, it is looking great even now.
JimB
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A few ideas:
1) Pretty much as supplied, but with modified aerials etc...
2) Indian
3) Centreline GSh-23, two tanks on the inners and four R-60s on twin adaptors on the outboard pylons.
1) Pretty much as supplied, but with modified aerials etc...
2) Swiss
3) Two AIM-9P Sidewinders and two HM-55 (?) export-big-Falcons (as found on -F model Drakens and Swiss Mirages)
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1/ Up to you Carlos, it just depends on how much extra work you want to put in to it.
2/ Finnish, or Finnish, or maybe FINNISH.
3/ Air/Ground or Air /Air, I do not mind, it is looking great even now.
JimB
OK Carlos,
I am now at home, the previous post was done at workon duty.
Now I have had time to think a bit and I think you should look "Out of the box" for this one.
Either in an Interceptor role in natural metal finish, or ground attack in desert camouflage.
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whichever you chose, it has to be .......................
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........ FRENCH!!!!!! ;D :o :mellow: :huh: :lol: :rolleyes: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
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Looking at it India would be the obvious choice but how about Sri Lanka, or Malaysia, or even the Philipines, all wanting to go supersonic and all after a cheap option
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I'd love tosee it in RAF colours. It's a classic example of a simple, early British jet fighter, yet it's RAF service was limited to a trainer. To see this version in squadron colors with a weapons load would be very cool.
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Basically, pick any Hunter or F-5 customer.... :thumbsup:
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I would say Indian too, definitely fits into the HAL HF-24 Marut mould, and the Indians did have a Gnat production line.
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Just for laughs, why not in Irish colors? Should be interesting! :thumbsup:
Bobbo
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Now it is time for you to help me to decide:
1) Two time frames: just after service entry or after a MLU, adding some bits...
2) Roundels and scheme: RAF or export (plausible suggestions)
3) Deppending on former points: weapon options.
Carlos:
1. How about late in life, post MLU?
2. Export customer, ever thought about Saudia Arabia (hey, they bought the Hunter and Lightning didn't they) with a sand / stone camo scheme, or perhaps Swiss in the Patrouille Suisse display scheme?
3. If Saudi, pop a weapons load similar to the Hunter / Lightning - unguided rocket pods, guns plus a pair of close in IR missiles; if the Patrouille Suisse then it would be 'clean'.
Ciao
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this is nifty.
I have liked the Gnat as a concept.. even the bizarre concept of using it as a parasite fighter hung under a Vulcan bomber.
The larger, faster version is looking great.
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Just for laughs, why not in Irish colors? Should be interesting! :thumbsup:
Bobbo
Probably not that implausible. The Irish had Magisters, if they wanted some improved performance a supersonic Gnat might well be the answer.
F-5/T-38 Customers would be fair game, a nippy Gnat would fit right into it's role. This means a few unusual operators come into the realms of plausibility, such as Iran, Libya & North Vietnam. :wacko: Between existng Gnat, Hunter & F-5 operators you've got a lot of potential operators there.
Some operators took both the F-5 & Hunter, maybe they'd like to buy from one source? That gives you Chile, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Singapore, Kenya, Switzerland & the Netherlands.
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Sleek and lovely....very neat !
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Very nice - and crying out for either Indian or Finnish markings. ;D ;D
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I think that Firestreak was proposed for Supersonic Gnat but I have a pair of Red Tops.
Is Red Top a plausible option?
Thanks,
Carlos.
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Yep - anything that could carry Firestreaks could carry Red Tops with a few black box changes. However I think (but I'm not sure) that either of those missiles requires a radar, because even though they're heat-seekers, they're designed to be cued onto the target by radar input.
As another customer, how about Oman?
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AFAIK Supersonic Gnat was intended to carry Radar: AI-23
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1) Pretty much as supplied, but with modified aerials etc...
2) Indian
3) Centreline GSh-23, two tanks on the inners and four R-60s on twin adaptors on the outboard pylons.
I agree with this....a pair working in conjunction with a Mig 29 maybe......something like the RAF Hawks n Tornado's ADV a while back..........or........along the same lines with a Finnish colour scheme with same sort of load out...nice
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Bump! Any progress Carlos? Might be worth resrurecting it for the Gnat Themed Build?
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Apart from the fact that this version only has one engine, it does bear some resemblance to the Mk 5...... ;D
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Bump! Any progress Carlos? Might be worth resrurecting it for the Gnat Themed Build?
Oh yeah. Can a moderator move this thread to "Gnat Themed Build"?
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Thanks! :thumbsup:
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Fantastic! :party: