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GROUP BUILDS => Themed Build Repository => The Gnat Theme Build => Topic started by: ysi_maniac on September 26, 2008, 11:27:08 am

Title: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: ysi_maniac on September 26, 2008, 11:27:08 am
Some year ago I began to think in this project, then I posted some of my ideas. One of you, I think Geoff or Thorvic (btw, I do not know if they are the same person or they have just the same christian name) recomend me to use an F-5 as aft fuselage donor. Then I did not have that bit in my spare box and tried with a F-15 1/144. After more than one year looking at the think and feeling bad, I decided that Geoff or Thorvic was right :bow: :bow: and I had to begin again :banghead: :banghead:

Here you can see the ongoing project compared with an unstarted Gnat model.
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: kitnut617 on September 26, 2008, 02:27:35 pm
I'm going to be watching this one Carlos   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Mossie on September 26, 2008, 03:13:54 pm
Another possible kit for some the of the larger Gnat derivatives is the Hasegawa Grumman F11F Tiger.  It's similar in shape & proportion to the Gnat, just larger.  Don't mean to hijack your build though Carlos, I'm looking forward to this as a fan of all thinks Gnat-ish!
:thumbsup: :ph34r: :party:
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Weaver on September 27, 2008, 11:11:59 am
Neat idea!   :thumbsup:

Funnily enough, I've been looking at the gap between the trailing edges of the wings on my (Gnat-based) Avro Atom project, and wondering if, and how, I should twin-engine it. The F-5 rear fuse trick would probably work, although I think I'd have to turn it upside down to match the high-mounted tailless delta. However I've decided to stick with a single engine, at least for this version.

Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Thorvic on September 29, 2008, 04:44:34 am
The only other small twin jet in this scale i can think of is the Matchbox Fiat F-91Y which aint that easy to find these days unless as a Japanes import.

Another possible source coulf be 1/100 twin jets (1/144 is probably a little too small for the job), however finding only the Hornet and Tornado may fit the mark as most other twin jets are the later split engine types or blended wing types.

Look forward to seeing how this build progresses Carlos

Geoff
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: ysi_maniac on September 29, 2008, 06:46:21 am
Thinking in engines ...

Was RB.153 used by any real aircraft?
Does anyone have information on RB-153 dimensions?

Thanks a lot in advance.
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on September 29, 2008, 08:23:00 pm
You may find this site interesting if you havent already found it:

http://www.vectorsite.net/avgnat.html (http://www.vectorsite.net/avgnat.html)

At the bottom it has a small bit on the unbuilt variants.  BSP: Fighters has a few pages on the 'super Gnat' variants too. 
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: ysi_maniac on January 02, 2009, 06:16:05 am
Some update
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Deon on January 02, 2009, 06:29:13 am
Looking good.. what plans are you working from?
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: John Howling Mouse on January 02, 2009, 08:39:34 am
Spidey-sense is tingling...

This is going to spin the heads of a few JMNs, that's for sure!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: sotoolslinger on January 02, 2009, 09:52:42 am
Good looking PSR work there Carlos :wub: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Ed S on January 02, 2009, 10:08:51 am
Ah, now you've entered the fun stage of Whiffery --- PSR.   This should look pretty good when you get it done.

Ed
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 05, 2009, 05:43:16 am
Project going on ...
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Weaver on August 05, 2009, 08:09:22 am
Wow - that is looking like a really elegant little machine: nice one!  :thumbsup:

Must get my Avro Atom moving again......
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Mossie on August 05, 2009, 08:11:51 am
Glad you picked this up again Carlos! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 06, 2009, 06:13:58 am
 ;D
Now it is time for you to help me to decide:

1) Two time frames: just after service entry or after a MLU, adding some bits...

2) Roundels and scheme: RAF or export (plausible suggestions)

3) Deppending on former points: weapon options.

Thanks a lot,
Carlos.
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: JayBee on August 06, 2009, 06:32:07 am
1/ Up to you Carlos, it just depends on how much extra work you want to put in to it.
2/ Finnish, or Finnish, or maybe FINNISH.
3/ Air/Ground or Air /Air, I do not mind, it is looking great even now.

JimB
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Weaver on August 06, 2009, 06:38:49 am
A few ideas:


1) Pretty much as supplied, but with modified aerials etc...
2) Indian
3) Centreline GSh-23, two tanks on the inners and four R-60s on twin adaptors on the outboard pylons.


1) Pretty much as supplied, but with modified aerials etc...
2) Swiss
3) Two AIM-9P Sidewinders and two HM-55 (?) export-big-Falcons (as found on -F model Drakens and Swiss Mirages)
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: JayBee on August 06, 2009, 12:25:46 pm
1/ Up to you Carlos, it just depends on how much extra work you want to put in to it.
2/ Finnish, or Finnish, or maybe FINNISH.
3/ Air/Ground or Air /Air, I do not mind, it is looking great even now.

JimB

OK Carlos,

I am now at home, the previous post was done at workon duty.
Now I have had time to think a bit and I think you should look "Out of the box" for this one.
Either in an Interceptor role in natural metal finish, or ground attack in desert camouflage.

BUT

whichever you chose, it has to be .......................
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........ FRENCH!!!!!! ;D :o :mellow: :huh: :lol: :rolleyes: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: thedarkmaster on August 06, 2009, 12:32:34 pm


Looking at it India would be the obvious choice but how about Sri Lanka, or Malaysia, or even the Philipines, all wanting to go supersonic and all after a cheap option
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on August 06, 2009, 05:54:36 pm
I'd love tosee it in RAF colours.  It's a classic example of a simple, early British jet fighter, yet it's RAF service was limited to a trainer.  To see this version in squadron colors with a weapons load would be very cool.

Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Weaver on August 06, 2009, 06:07:41 pm
Basically, pick any Hunter or F-5 customer.... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: kitnut617 on August 07, 2009, 06:50:14 am
I would say Indian too, definitely fits into the HAL HF-24 Marut mould, and the Indians did have a Gnat production line.
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: bobbo on August 07, 2009, 01:55:32 pm
Just for laughs, why not in Irish colors?  Should be interesting!   :thumbsup:

Bobbo











Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Modelling_Mushi on August 07, 2009, 09:28:49 pm
Now it is time for you to help me to decide:
1) Two time frames: just after service entry or after a MLU, adding some bits...
2) Roundels and scheme: RAF or export (plausible suggestions)
3) Deppending on former points: weapon options.

Carlos:

1. How about late in life, post MLU?
2. Export customer, ever thought about Saudia Arabia (hey, they bought the Hunter and Lightning didn't they) with a sand / stone camo scheme, or perhaps Swiss in the Patrouille Suisse display scheme?
3. If Saudi, pop a weapons load similar to the Hunter / Lightning - unguided rocket pods, guns plus a pair of close in IR missiles; if the Patrouille Suisse then it would be 'clean'.

Ciao
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: buzzbomb on August 08, 2009, 12:17:04 am
this is nifty.

I have liked the Gnat as a concept.. even the bizarre concept of using it as a parasite fighter hung under a Vulcan bomber.

The larger, faster version is looking great.
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Mossie on August 08, 2009, 04:04:09 am
Just for laughs, why not in Irish colors?  Should be interesting!   :thumbsup:

Bobbo


Probably not that implausible.  The Irish had Magisters, if they wanted some improved performance a supersonic Gnat might well be the answer.

F-5/T-38 Customers would be fair game, a nippy Gnat would fit right into it's role.  This means a few unusual operators come into the realms of plausibility, such as Iran, Libya & North Vietnam. :wacko:  Between existng Gnat, Hunter & F-5 operators you've got a lot of potential operators there.

Some operators took both the F-5 & Hunter, maybe they'd like to buy from one source?  That gives you Chile, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Singapore, Kenya, Switzerland & the Netherlands.
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Captain Canada on August 08, 2009, 08:23:24 am
Sleek and lovely....very neat !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: kitbasher on August 09, 2009, 05:16:37 am
Very nice - and crying out for either Indian or Finnish markings.   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 27, 2009, 08:20:23 pm
I think that Firestreak was proposed for Supersonic Gnat but I have a pair of Red Tops.
Is Red Top a plausible option?

Thanks,
Carlos.
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Weaver on October 27, 2009, 08:50:39 pm
Yep - anything that could carry Firestreaks could carry Red Tops with a few black box changes. However I think (but I'm not sure) that either of those missiles requires a radar, because even though they're heat-seekers, they're designed to be cued onto the target by radar input.

As another customer, how about Oman?
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 27, 2009, 09:16:47 pm
AFAIK Supersonic Gnat was intended to carry Radar: AI-23
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Army of One on October 28, 2009, 04:41:51 am



1) Pretty much as supplied, but with modified aerials etc...
2) Indian
3) Centreline GSh-23, two tanks on the inners and four R-60s on twin adaptors on the outboard pylons.




I agree with this....a pair working in conjunction with a Mig 29 maybe......something like the RAF Hawks n Tornado's ADV a while back..........or........along the same lines with a Finnish colour scheme with same sort of load out...nice
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Mossie on May 21, 2012, 02:01:17 pm
Bump!  Any progress Carlos?  Might be worth resrurecting it for the Gnat Themed Build?
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 21, 2012, 02:06:01 pm
Apart from the fact that this version only has one engine, it does bear some resemblance to the Mk 5......  ;D
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: ysi_maniac on June 18, 2012, 07:06:27 pm
Bump!  Any progress Carlos?  Might be worth resrurecting it for the Gnat Themed Build?

Oh yeah. Can a moderator move this thread to "Gnat Themed Build"?
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: ysi_maniac on June 19, 2012, 03:06:05 am
Thanks! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Supersonic Gnat
Post by: Mossie on June 24, 2012, 03:38:30 pm
Fantastic! :party: