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The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion

Started by NARSES2, June 18, 2019, 06:59:19 AM

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zenrat

Following on from TomZ's More and Less DC3s it has struck me that if one built an Me321/323 with more than 0 but less then 6 engines it would be both more AND less engines in one aircraft.
;)
Fred

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PR19_Kit

Quote from: zenrat on July 17, 2019, 03:25:29 AM

Following on from TomZ's More and Less DC3s it has struck me that if one built an Me321/323 with more than 0 but less then 6 engines it would be both more AND less engines in one aircraft.
;)


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Raucous laughter here on the west bank.
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Rheged

Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 17, 2019, 05:57:25 AM
Quote from: zenrat on July 17, 2019, 03:25:29 AM

Following on from TomZ's More and Less DC3s it has struck me that if one built an Me321/323 with more than 0 but less then 6 engines it would be both more AND less engines in one aircraft.
;)


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Raucous laughter here on the west bank.

And a quiet chuckle from further up the Wye valley.
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Are losing theirs and blaming it on you....."
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loupgarou

Another silly idea.  ;D
Should I take a drakkar, I suppose the oars could be considerd as ONE motive unity.
If I add an outboard motor, the combo should be considered valid or this GB.
And those poor vikings would arrive less tired to the villages to plunder.  :wacko:
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Rheged

Quote from: loupgarou on July 17, 2019, 08:24:51 AM
Another silly idea.  ;D
Should I take a drakkar, I suppose the oars could be considerd as ONE motive unity.
If I add an outboard motor, the combo should be considered valid or this GB.
And those poor vikings would arrive less tired to the villages to plunder.  :wacko:

As Scandinavians, would Vikings not use Volvo Penta inboard engines?
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Are losing theirs and blaming it on you....."
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jcf

Quote from: Rheged on July 17, 2019, 08:43:38 AM
Quote from: loupgarou on July 17, 2019, 08:24:51 AM
Another silly idea.  ;D
Should I take a drakkar, I suppose the oars could be considerd as ONE motive unity.
If I add an outboard motor, the combo should be considered valid or this GB.
And those poor vikings would arrive less tired to the villages to plunder.  :wacko:

As Scandinavians, would Vikings not use Volvo Penta inboard engines?

Not necessarily.

Ole Evinrude was born in Norway, as was Finn T. Irgens who, working with the Johnson brothers,
designed the first Johnson outboards.

AB Pentaverken introduced their first outboard, the U2, in 1923 twelve years before becoming
a Volvo subsidiary.

There is a strong Vikings to outboards connection.  ;D :thumbsup:
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Medjoe

Another particularly interesting layout to serve as inspiration can be found in the plans of the quad engined Blohm & Voss P 203, which aimed to use mixed propulsion as a combo of a BMW 801 and a Heinkel HeS 011 on each wing. The radial/jet assembly was installed longitudinally, with the jet engine directly behind the radial. To my understanding, the basic design differed from the motorjets of the era in that there is no shaft connecting the jet to the piston engine.

While the project never took... off... one can imagine a hypothetical scenario where Allied forces, be they Western or Soviet, managed to find drawings of the project and developed evaluation airframes on existing aircraft to test the viability. I was trying to find a way to fit this on a Tupolev Tu-2 as a supposed "testbench" by TsAGI, but the base airframe posed too many issues with the length of the landing gear and the lateral distance needed to clear the engines out of the landing gear. And the H-tail would probably need some thermal reinforcing or a redesign to account for the jet exhaust.

A particular challenge to this specific configuration is that the main gear nacelles typically found behind the engine must be relocated somewhere in the wing and/or the fuselage. In any case, something like this on a quick aircraft like a Mosquito or Hornet could prove quite fun.


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zenrat

Asymmetric three engine Liberator Express (if you don't look too closely).
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

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PR19_Kit

Quote from: zenrat on July 18, 2019, 04:29:34 AM

Asymmetric three engine Liberator Express (if you don't look too closely).


You'd have even more asymmetry with one fin/rudder larger than the other, which would seem almost essential for pilot workload purposes anyway.  ;) ;D
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

NARSES2

Quote from: loupgarou on July 17, 2019, 08:24:51 AM
Another silly idea.  ;D
Should I take a drakkar, I suppose the oars could be considerd as ONE motive unity.


Interesting. Now in my view each bank of oars could be considered an "engine". Therefore converting a trireme to a bireme or a simple single banked galley to a bireme would be fine.

Sticking on with ships I'm wondering if adding or subtracting a mast to a sailing ship would count. The removal or addition of a sail wouldn't as you would simply be playing with the "power" of the engine.

:angel: ;D
Decals my @r$e!

PR19_Kit

Quote from: NARSES2 on July 18, 2019, 06:11:47 AM

Sticking on with ships I'm wondering if adding or subtracting a mast to a sailing ship would count. The removal or addition of a sail wouldn't as you would simply be playing with the "power" of the engine.

:angel: ;D


You'd have to ask the mods about that..................  ;)
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

NARSES2

Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 18, 2019, 06:27:51 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on July 18, 2019, 06:11:47 AM

Sticking on with ships I'm wondering if adding or subtracting a mast to a sailing ship would count. The removal or addition of a sail wouldn't as you would simply be playing with the "power" of the engine.

:angel: ;D


You'd have to ask the mods about that..................  ;)

Suppose I would  ;D
Decals my @r$e!

Mossie

Quote from: zenrat on July 18, 2019, 04:29:34 AM
Asymmetric three engine Liberator Express (if you don't look too closely).


Six engine, if you count the one's in the hold, I'm sure they could drive something....
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Mossie

I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. You see, my mule don't like people laughin'. He gets the crazy idea you're laughin' at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

zenrat

Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

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