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GROUP BUILDS => Themed Build Repository => Topic started by: Mossie on January 21, 2010, 04:40:59 am

Title: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Mossie on January 21, 2010, 04:40:59 am
This year will be the 70th Anniversary of the Battle of Britain.  It would be good to commemorate it over it's official duration, 10th July to 31st October.  That would give us the traditional three months, plus a pre-arranged extension period. :thumbsup:

So, I'll leave it your imaginations as to what to build....
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Brian da Basher on January 21, 2010, 01:56:50 pm
I really like this idea, Mossie! The Battle of Britain anniversary should always be commemorated and the 70th even more so! The possibilities for whiffs are numerous (captured Bf-109 in RAF colors/markings used against former owners? new German bomber with twice the payload?) and the camo schemes are a lot of fun.
 Sounds like a blast!
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Weaver on January 21, 2010, 07:44:23 pm
Some ideas to play with:

1. The Fugee Fighters

Large contingents of pilots and planes escape to Britain from overrun countries and are impressed into service, with the planes hastily re-painted in RAF colours to avoid blue-on-blues. Basically, anything Polish, Danish, Norwegian, Belgian, Dutch or French in RAF(ish) markings with "Free-<wherever>" stripes, badges etc....


2. Makin' up the Numbers

Pre-war re-equipment plans go partially awry, so the RAF desperately buys up any "export fighter" it can get it's hands on. Possibilities: Curtiss Hawk, Fokker D.XXI or D.XXIII, Pzl P.24, Severskys, Re.2000 (nearly happened).....

For their part, the Luftwaffe captures large quantities of serviceable foreign aircraft and puts them into service, much as the army did with captured vehicles. Possibilities: anything Polish, Danish, Norwegian, Belgian, Dutch or French.


3. Ultimate Biplanes

Spanish Civil War experience cons the RAF and Luftwaffe into building "ultimate biplanes" the way it did the Italians and Soviets. Gladiator/Fury/Hs-123 with retractable gear, blended strut/gull wings, enclosed cockpits etc..


4. Everybody has turret fighters

The BP Defiant concept catches on worldwide. Luftwaffe possibles: He-70 with Db.601 and turret, Bf-110 with turret. RAF possibles: operational Hawker Hotspur, Fulmar with turret, Blenheim with bigger engines and turret. Germans concept could have single 20mm Oerlikon MGFFs in turret and fuselage, Brits would have the Defiant's 4 x .303 job.


5. Radial Chic

The RAF and Luftwaffe have far more interest in radial-engined fighters than in real life. For the RAF, productionise any of the F.5.34 contenders, radial-ize the Hurricane/Spit/Defiant or monoplane-ize the Gladiator. For the Luftwaffe, radial-ize the Bf-109/He-112, monoplane-ize the Hs-123 or de-evolve the Fw-190 with a earlier engine.

Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: ChernayaAkula on January 22, 2010, 12:51:15 am
Sounds like a plan! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: lancer on January 22, 2010, 09:24:28 am
How aboout the jet's potential being recognised much earllier that it was? First gen jet fighters ~HE180 & 280 against The whittle jet. Ju88's etc with early jet engines ~There have already been jet engined Spit's on here but Jet engined Mk1's? How about a Jet Hurricane?

Just another ingredient to throw into the mix.
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Mossie on January 23, 2010, 06:28:02 am
Armed Gloster E.28/39's?  They had provision for armamnet.  You cold probably do similar with the He.178.

I've been thinking along the lines of desperation stakes.  I've got a resin kit of a Miles M.24 Master Fighter, I've always fancied doing a Defiant fighter & I've got a resin Napier Dagger which could go on a Hurricane.  All were real world projects.
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: lancer on January 23, 2010, 09:24:34 am
Armed Gloster E.28/39's?  They had provision for armamnet.  You cold probably do similar with the He.178.


Yep, that's the one, although I always have trouble remembering what it's official designation was :banghead:
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: lancer on January 23, 2010, 09:28:45 am
Anyone know what the proposed armament for the E28/39 was? Basically, if I go ahead with this one, then I think I would arm it with 2 x 20mm cannon and leave the .303 brownings off of it due to the size of the wings. Unless I make bigger wings for it.
Damm, this idea is taking on a life of it's own!! I may have to source a kit and build the damm thing after all
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: pyro-manic on January 23, 2010, 09:38:25 am
I think it was four .303s, but I'm not 100% sure. That seems a bit pathetic though. Maybe a couple of podded 20mm instead?
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Weaver on January 23, 2010, 07:44:43 pm
I think it was four .303s, but I'm not 100% sure. That seems a bit pathetic though. Maybe a couple of podded 20mm instead?

It was 4 x .303s: the thing was tiny and underpowered. Pavla do a nice injection/resin/vac canopy one which I got in the Secret Santa GB, but I'm doing that as a late-war Natter-style rocket fighter from a turnabout alternate reality where Britain is losing big-style.

If you can't remember E28/39, you can also call it the Gloster G.40 Pioneer, although that name seems to have been attached to it retrospectively, rather than being contemporary.
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Radish on January 24, 2010, 03:17:31 am
I like this idea.......I like it a lot. ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: lancer on January 24, 2010, 05:15:51 am
Looks like it's going ahead after all then.
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Mossie on January 24, 2010, 09:16:09 am
I wonder if it's worth a 'mini theme' for Telford?
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: kitbasher on January 24, 2010, 11:07:53 am
I wonder if it's worth a 'mini theme' for Telford?
Yup!  Certainly gets my vote and I have 2 ideas already!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: lancer on January 24, 2010, 12:06:08 pm
Trying to locate kits of both of the early Heinkel jets the 170 and 280. I know they are out there i just don't seem to be able to find them. Not even on the mighty H's web site!! Can anybody give an assist please?
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Radish on January 24, 2010, 12:34:26 pm
By the way, the overall "theme" for SMW10 at Telford is "The Battle of Britain" so a contribution would be appropriate, especially as some will appreciate the humour and numpties will be annoyed...

Luftwaffe Zero?
RAF D.520?
 :drink: :party: :blink:
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Weaver on January 24, 2010, 12:44:53 pm
By the way, the overall "theme" for SMW10 at Telford is "The Battle of Britain" so a contribution would be appropriate, especially as some will appreciate the humour and numpties will be annoyed...

Luftwaffe Zero?
RAF D.520?
 :drink: :party: :blink:

Dogfight double: Free French D.520 with a Merlin vs Luftwaffe captured D.520 with a Db.601.... :mellow:
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Mossie on January 24, 2010, 02:11:34 pm
Trying to locate kits of both of the early Heinkel jets the 170 and 280. I know they are out there i just don't seem to be able to find them. Not even on the mighty H's web site!! Can anybody give an assist please?

Lance, Huma do a He 280, there are several kits of the He 178.
http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=HM4000 (http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=HM4000)

There are several kits of the He 178 too:
=arrived+desc&order[]=code+asc]http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?CATEGORY=&DIVISION=&MANUFACTURER=&CODE=&TYPE=&SCALE=&KEYWORD=heinkel+he+178&NUMPERPAGE=25&order[]=arrived+desc&order[]=code+asc (http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?CATEGORY=&DIVISION=&MANUFACTURER=&CODE=&TYPE=&SCALE=&KEYWORD=heinkel+he+178&NUMPERPAGE=25&order[)

Both on Hannants! ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Daryl J. on January 24, 2010, 02:44:21 pm
Hopefully things will be sorted out enough career-wise/house-wise, etc. so that this GB could be joined up to and get something done.  



It'll clearly have to be the 1/48 Hurricane with spatted fixed gear, cloth wings, automotive headlamps for landing lights, two blade prop, etc.   Alternative RAF markings that are not roundels, D or E pattern upper surfaces.


Perhaps the Germans could have also used some Japanese aircraft.  Ki-27 modifications anybody?  
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on January 24, 2010, 02:48:44 pm
All biplanes and nothing but biplanes.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Mossie on January 25, 2010, 08:30:47 am
Lance, another possibility if you're willing to tackle a Unicraft kit, an early Junkers jet project:
http://www.unicraft.biz/germ/ju-srf/ju-srf.htm (http://www.unicraft.biz/germ/ju-srf/ju-srf.htm)
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: lancer on January 26, 2010, 09:51:36 am
Thanks for the assist Simon. I Should have remembered Huma  and Special Hobby- 
Stupid bloody Hannants search engine- :banghead: :banghead: Trust a computer/website to make a complete idiot out of me!!
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Brian da Basher on January 26, 2010, 12:24:21 pm
All biplanes and nothing but biplanes.  :thumbsup:

That's one of the best suggestions of 2010!
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
We need a whiffie for that...
 :huh:
Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Radish on January 30, 2010, 03:59:37 am
Lots of blplane possibilities....Gladiator, Hs 123, Cr42...

The Lithuanians actually built as Fokker D.VII as late as 1937.

RAF units with Hawk IIs....a strong possibilty, as well as Luftwaffe Dive Bomber Hawk IIs.

Walrus Gunship? ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Weaver on January 31, 2010, 02:16:44 am
Lots of blplane possibilities....Gladiator, Hs 123, Cr42...

The Lithuanians actually built as Fokker D.VII as late as 1937.

RAF units with Hawk IIs....a strong possibilty, as well as Luftwaffe Dive Bomber Hawk IIs.

Walrus Gunship? ;D

Heyford Gunship....... :wacko:
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Radish on January 31, 2010, 02:36:11 am
Aeesome!!! :wacko: :wacko:

"Time Portal" A-10 :banghead:
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: kitbasher on January 31, 2010, 03:12:29 am
Hampden night fighter (instead of Blenheim, early Beaufighters and Boston/Havoc) - if the Germans could adapt bombers to the night fighting role, why not the Brits (especially in the case of the Hampden).
Kestrel-engined Gladiator.  With spats!
A Mercury-engined Gloster fighter 'inspired' by the Gloster G38.
A Heyford development (but not the gunship as already suggested).
All in the 2010 master plan!

Notwithstanding earlier suggestions for the SMW2010 SIG display theme, should BoB70 be the plan?
;D ;D

EDIT: And I'm kind of toying with the idea of a 1940 war-bond, morale raising Hurricane I-equipped Red Arrows idea.  Paint job based on the Red Arrows Hawk scheme, but with 1940-style roundels with an RAF badge worked into it somehow (probably on the undersides).  To keep it feasible I think the back story would have to see a strict limit on the number of Hurricanes used (probably 4) and they'd have to be pretty tired machines (ex-Battle of France?) to be diverted away from the front line.
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: sideshowbob9 on January 31, 2010, 04:16:52 am
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A Heyford development........

I've been playing with this idea for some time but can't seem to make any headway on it. Do you have something specific in mind?

I'm not very good at time critical builds but may be tempted for this one.  ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Taiidantomcat on January 31, 2010, 12:55:29 pm
You can open up more options if you include Modern aircraft into retro schemes:

(http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/unusual-attitude/Battle%20of%20Britain%20Hawk%202.jpg)
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: ysi_maniac on November 14, 2019, 07:48:12 pm
Why not?

Battle of Britain 80th Anniversary GB
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: NARSES2 on November 15, 2019, 06:19:28 am
That's a very good idea
Title: Re: Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary GB
Post by: Rheged on November 15, 2019, 08:33:11 am
I'm in!  I'll generate a couple of dubious backstories and offer them copyright=free to members of the community