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Title: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: Geoff on June 02, 2021, 04:01:28 pm
OK a bit simplistic PRC obtain an F-16 and reverse engineer it for a Spey with the large intake as the J-? Just a thought. :o
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: Gondor on June 03, 2021, 02:31:18 pm
Well it would make sence to enlarge it a bit as Japan did with it's F-2 or you could do similar things as I have done in the past such as F-2-16C (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=35102.msg557984#msg557984) or even this Lockheed-Mitsubishi F-16J-2A 3rd SQ, 3rd AW, JASDF TAC MEET Misawa AB 2010 (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=34883.msg553895#msg553895)

Gondor
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: Nick on June 03, 2021, 02:34:08 pm
OK a bit simplistic PRC obtain an F-16 and reverse engineer it for a Spey with the large intake as the J-? Just a thought. :o

Sounds like what the Japanese did with their F-16s to get the Mitsubishi F-2 but at huge cost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: McColm on June 14, 2021, 04:21:51 pm
The Japanese also back engineered the F-18 Hornet as well.
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 15, 2021, 03:37:34 am

The Japanese also back engineered the F-18 Hornet as well.


They did? And did what with it?
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: rickshaw on June 15, 2021, 05:41:48 am
The Japanese also back engineered the F-18 Hornet as well.

I think you're referring to the Chung Kua the Taiwanese indigenous fighter but that is basically a twin engined F-16.
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: McColm on June 15, 2021, 01:53:37 pm

The Japanese also back engineered the F-18 Hornet as well.


They did? And did what with it?
They used it as a stealth demonstrator and then put it in a museum.
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: Geoff on June 16, 2021, 08:28:58 am

The Japanese also back engineered the F-18 Hornet as well.


They did? And did what with it?
They used it as a stealth demonstrator and then put it in a museum.

Equipped 4 carrier air wings as well. Had really nice commemorative schemes in the 1990s
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: Knightflyer on June 16, 2021, 08:56:38 am

The Japanese also back engineered the F-18 Hornet as well.


They did? And did what with it?
They used it as a stealth demonstrator and then put it in a museum.

Do you mean the Mitsubishi X-2 Shinshin ?
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: Snowtrooper on June 16, 2021, 11:56:18 am

The Japanese also back engineered the F-18 Hornet as well.


They did? And did what with it?
They used it as a stealth demonstrator and then put it in a museum.

Equipped 4 carrier air wings as well. Had really nice commemorative schemes in the 1990s
What. This is the first time I ever hear of X-2 being a "reverse engineered F-18", plus it did not even exist in the 1990s so it could hardly equip carrier air wings which Japan didn't have either at the time (in the present they're building their totally-not-carrier air wings around F-35B).

F-2 did/does equip four land-based wings, but only if you count the test wing and training wing as well. Also, F-2 being "reverse engineered" is a stretch as GD shared the technology and blueprints (largely already based on their ATF concepts) and participated in the development.

What I thought the original post was about that the Chinese would more or less on their own reverse engineer a F-16 and install a licence-built Spey and domestic avionics (somewhat paralleling the J-11/Su-27, and even that started as a coproduction).
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: Knightflyer on June 16, 2021, 12:10:47 pm

The Japanese also back engineered the F-18 Hornet as well.


They did? And did what with it?
They used it as a stealth demonstrator and then put it in a museum.

Equipped 4 carrier air wings as well. Had really nice commemorative schemes in the 1990s
What. This is the first time I ever hear of X-2 being a "reverse engineered F-18", plus it did not even exist in the 1990s so it could hardly equip carrier air wings which Japan didn't have either at the time (in the present they're building their totally-not-carrier air wings around F-35B).

F-2 did/does equip four land-based wings, but only if you count the test wing and training wing as well. Also, F-2 being "reverse engineered" is a stretch as GD shared the technology and blueprints (largely already based on their ATF concepts) and participated in the development.

What I thought the original post was about that the Chinese would more or less on their own reverse engineer a F-16 and install a licence-built Spey and domestic avionics (somewhat paralleling the J-11/Su-27, and even that started as a coproduction).

I was trying to find out which aircraft McColm was referring to? I'm now thinking the first flight was on the day after the last day of March? :o :-\
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: Geoff on June 16, 2021, 02:35:52 pm

The Japanese also back engineered the F-18 Hornet as well.


They did? And did what with it?
They used it as a stealth demonstrator and then put it in a museum.

Equipped 4 carrier air wings as well. Had really nice commemorative schemes in the 1990s
What. This is the first time I ever hear of X-2 being a "reverse engineered F-18", plus it did not even exist in the 1990s so it could hardly equip carrier air wings which Japan didn't have either at the time (in the present they're building their totally-not-carrier air wings around F-35B).

F-2 did/does equip four land-based wings, but only if you count the test wing and training wing as well. Also, F-2 being "reverse engineered" is a stretch as GD shared the technology and blueprints (largely already based on their ATF concepts) and participated in the development.

What I thought the original post was about that the Chinese would more or less on their own reverse engineer a F-16 and install a licence-built Spey and domestic avionics (somewhat paralleling the J-11/Su-27, and even that started as a coproduction).

I was trying to find out which aircraft McColm was referring to? I'm now thinking the first flight was on the day after the last day of March? :o :-\


ah sorry I'll get me coat
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: McColm on June 16, 2021, 03:19:07 pm
X-2 based around the F-18 with stealth features from the F-22, first unofficial flight 2018 from a source who says that they 'cannot deny or confirm that the information is true ' unquote.
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: Knightflyer on June 17, 2021, 03:06:17 am
X-2 based around the F-18 with stealth features from the F-22, first unofficial flight 2018 from a source who says that they 'cannot deny or confirm that the information is true ' unquote.

The X-2 made its maiden flight on 22 April 2016 taking off from Nagoya Airfield and landing at the JASDF's Gifu Air Field after a 26-minute flight....... unless Wikipedia is really REALLY wrong?
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: McColm on June 17, 2021, 05:34:36 am
X-2 based around the F-18 with stealth features from the F-22, first unofficial flight 2018 from a source who says that they 'cannot deny or confirm that the information is true ' unquote.

The X-2 made its maiden flight on 22 April 2016 taking off from Nagoya Airfield and landing at the JASDF's Gifu Air Field after a 26-minute flight....... unless Wikipedia is really REALLY wrong?
Must be my medication kicking in again  :banghead:
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: Gondor on June 17, 2021, 05:44:03 am
The X-2 looks more like an Su-57 than an F-18

Gondor
Title: Re: Reverse engineered F-16
Post by: tahsin on July 13, 2021, 11:48:44 pm
F-2 is derived from the Agile Falcon studies which aimed to give the F-16 a larger wing against the Fulcrum / Flanker threat and in itself was based on Vought's attack projects which were NOT based on their V-1600 series of proposals to USN. So, painting an F-2 in USN / USMC colours would not have been what if.