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Hawker Havoc

Started by kerick, August 03, 2022, 10:18:44 AM

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NARSES2

Quote from: The Wooksta! on August 05, 2022, 07:32:18 PM
Given the relative shape and thickness of the outer wings, might it not be a more spectacular build with VG wings?

That was my thought as well Lee  :thumbsup:
Decals my @r$e!

kerick

Spent most of the evening making wing pylons and landing gear. The nose gear will be as standard Hunter as I can make it while the main gear will not be. The F-86 wing is nearly solid and would not line with the Hunter gear wells anyway so I'm trying to make it something A-10 style with the legs retracting forwards into wells made from an old pair of missiles. I'll see how this goes and if it will be acceptable. At least it will fit between the pylons and allow more whizz bang stuff under the wings. I don't recall ever seeing a Hunter with a center line pylon. Much too close to the ground I'm sure. Maybe Sidewinder rails offset left and right of center like some Starfighters.
I'll meet you on the dark side of the moon.

AeroplaneDriver

Quote from: NARSES2 on August 06, 2022, 06:17:20 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on August 05, 2022, 07:32:18 PM
Given the relative shape and thickness of the outer wings, might it not be a more spectacular build with VG wings?

That was my thought as well Lee  :thumbsup:

But why?  VG wing systems are complex and heavy.  The engine arrangement is going to keep it subsonic...no real need to sweep the wings for high-speed flight.  It may look cool, but there really is no scenario where it makes more sense than the fixed straight (simple) wing.
So I got that going for me...which is nice....

kerick

Quote from: AeroplaneDriver on August 09, 2022, 12:35:33 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on August 06, 2022, 06:17:20 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on August 05, 2022, 07:32:18 PM
Given the relative shape and thickness of the outer wings, might it not be a more spectacular build with VG wings?

That was my thought as well Lee  :thumbsup:

But why?  VG wing systems are complex and heavy.  The engine arrangement is going to keep it subsonic...no real need to sweep the wings for high-speed flight.  It may look cool, but there really is no scenario where it makes more sense than the fixed straight (simple) wing.

Blend in a honk'n big rocket motor under the fuselage. Wings back for rocket boost and forward for landing!
I'll meet you on the dark side of the moon.

kerick

A little more progress on the Havoc. I've epoxie puttied over the old intakes. Some JB Weld stuff that's been laying around too long. It hardened up ok after 24 hours. Really too old to use any more. Anyway, I tried to follow the Skyfox example and make space that in a real aircraft could be used for fuel or other gizmos.



I also added eight pylons under the wings. The outer ones will hold Sidewinders.



The slipper tank looking add ons will be A-10 style wheel wells. I painted on some acrylic white for a primer over the epoxie putty just to seal it a little. I'm working on a new speed brake, either similar to the original one or "flipper" style like an F-16 on the notch behind the green wing roots. Still not quite happy with the engines. I wish I could find some biz jet stuff without ordering a kit for $30. I'll think of something.
I'll meet you on the dark side of the moon.

NARSES2

Decals my @r$e!

DogfighterZen

"Sticks and stones may break some bones but a 3.57's gonna blow your damn head off!!"

kerick

#22
I tried an experiment last night. I haven't been happy with my attempt at engines for this project. A friend from my model club donated several small scale airliner engines to the cause. Unfortunately he only had singles instead of pairs. I disassembled one that looked the closest to what I was thinking of and cleaned it up by sanding all the paint off. The exhaust cone I was able to duplicate by cutting off a (guess what!) drop tank. The halves of the engine I coated in WD40 and covered with JB Weld epoxy to make a pair of molds. Fortunately the WD40 worked as a mold release agent and everything came apart as planned. Now I just have to wait for a sunny day to fill them with UV resin. Too cloudy today no UV to speak of so maybe tomorrow. Pics when I get a decently molded product.
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Captain Canada

Wow ! I'm digging this one for sure !
CANADA KICKS arse !!!!

Long Live the Commonwealth !!!
Vive les Canadiens !
Where's my beer ?

kerick

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kerick

Here's the pics I promised. I filled in the areas around the new main gear wells and tacked together the engine and horizontal stabilizers in a semi T tail arraignment. Some adjustment may be required.







Here's a low horizontal stabilizer arraignment. I'm leaning to the T tail at the moment.







Here's how the air brakes will look. I'll add the spreader and piston tomorrow.



These are the UV resin cast engine parts I copied from the plastic engine. Lots of clean up required. The WD40 worked for releasing the plastic parts from the JB Weld molds but not as well on releasing the UV casting from the molds. I'll have to remember to use a heavier oil next time.



Once I get them cleaned up by course sanding I can glue them together with CA glue. A little PSR on the outside to clean them up too. I might have to pin them to the fuselage for extra strength.
I'll meet you on the dark side of the moon.

PR19_Kit

Quote from: kerick on August 15, 2022, 09:59:05 PM

I might have to pin them to the fuselage for extra strength.


GOOD thinking.  :thumbsup:

It's pretty horrible when all your good work with moulding and casting gets dashed when you drop the model and the engines/wings/tail/nose/whatever falls off.  :banghead:
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Old Wombat

T-tail definitely looks the way to go! :thumbsup:

I'd be interested to see an engineer's report on the effects of those air-brakes on the air-flow into the engine intakes. ;)
Has a life outside of What-If & wishes it would stop interfering!

"The purpose of all War is Peace" - St. Augustine

veritas ad mortus veritas est

kerick

It's the turbulent airflow into the engines at high angle of attack that would concern me. But this is whiff world so no problems. Except when I buzz it around the room!
BTW, anybody know about what, if any, gun barrels were visible on the Hunter?
I'll meet you on the dark side of the moon.

PR19_Kit

The RAF Hunter's gun barrels were recessed back into the gun ports, but some of the export models had some sort of flash suppressor on the muzzles.



RAF Hunter




Danish Hunter, I think.

Both pics from Thunder & Lightnings site.
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit