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GROUP BUILDS => The Cold War GB => Topic started by: Gondor on January 04, 2016, 03:43:33 pm

Title: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on January 04, 2016, 03:43:33 pm
Bought to replace the ageing Canberra Interdiction aircraft it had been flying for nearly twenty years, the भारतीय वायु सेना or Indian Air Force initially purchased twenty refurbished early production TSR2 aircraft. These aircraft were followed by another twenty aircraft being assembled from components supplied by British Aircraft Corporation as part of a package that included local manufacture by हिंदुस्तान एरोनॉटिक्स लिमिटेड, otherwise known as Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, located in Bangalore.
As production of the contracted seventy five aircraft progressed, an ever increasing proportion of the aircraft and its systems were locally manufactured until the final aircraft were almost totally produced within India.
One of the most famous squadron to be formed on what was locally know as the भारतीय ईगल or Indian Eagle was number 5 Squadron based at Ambala Air Force Station where it had reformed after converting to the Indian Eagle in the late 1970's. This squadron was formed after India was given Independence as up to that point the Royal Air Force had their own 5 Squadron operating within the country and to avoid confusion the Indian Air Force did not form it's own 5 Squadron until the Royal Air Force had left India.

The aircraft depicted in this build is from the locally manufactured aircraft and is loaded for a typical interdiction mission, the threat of which has helped keep the peace in the region for some time with the Indian Eagle only ever using live weapons on the ranges and practice grounds.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on January 05, 2016, 02:23:48 pm
So my first posting in this thread was the background for the build.

So from here on in its the plastic side of things.

Cockpit has been assembled and painted and all the major parts for the fuselage have been separated from the sprue. Cleaning up of the engine air intakes has started so that they can be fitted to the fuselage when I want. Main wheels have also been glued together so I am hoping for a dry day so I can prime them prior to painting them.

Weapons have been selected and will consist of:
Bomb bay: 6 x BL577 fitted in two groups of three with the central weapon being above the lower two.
Inner wing pylons: 2 x 1,000 Lb in tandem on a bomb beam.
Outer wing pylons: 1 x UB-20-80 rocket pod.

The choice of Soviet weaponry may change but as I have a couple of sets of the Dragon Rocket and Bombs its possible that the 1,000Lb bombs could be changed for a Soviet equivalent.

Decals will be a mix of Model Alliance decals and whatever I find around that is useful.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on January 07, 2016, 08:02:32 am
In my previous post I mentioned the weapons load. Slight problem with fitting it into the weapons bay is the fitting that Airfix have put for their version of Red Beard. So with a not so gentle amount of persuasion and various tools I managed to remove the lump that is in the middle of the bay as the load I will be providing will leave that area fairly visible.
A couple of lengths of plastic card fitted in vertically, far easier to fit than if I had tried to fit the plastic card horizontally and it looks reasonable for now.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6060_zpsymhnuf5i.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6060_zpsymhnuf5i.jpg.html)
(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6061_zpsdhz540vq.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6061_zpsdhz540vq.jpg.html)

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Captain Canada on January 10, 2016, 11:12:02 am
Interesting stuff, and thanks for the pics. I've been thinking of digging my Canberra out for this GB

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on January 10, 2016, 03:27:37 pm
I was intending to have the kit's decals for the cockpit in place by now, however with so many ideas kicking around that will hopefully happen tomorrow. Most of the undercarriage has been painted, at least enough to save me trying to paint in very tight corners with a paint brush that just wont reach.

The main wheel hubs have also been painted but I still have to separate the nose wheels from the sprue/runner/tree. My excuse is that I had to glue the main wheel halves together so they were on the work bench when the Light Admiralty Grey was out it was just as easy to paint one side at a time.

The ejector seats have also been painted, need to sort out what I am going to do for the seat harnesses though.

Engine intakes have the major parts together, the joint needs sorting out so that will be done in the next couple of days during which I am hoping that there will be a dry spell in the weather so I can spray the inside of the intakes on all three TSR2's I have on the go  :rolleyes:

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on January 12, 2016, 04:19:41 pm
Well the air intakes are in and I have just finished painting the main wheels so I am feeling as if I have accomplished something even if progress at the moment is rather slow. Not going to get much done for the rest of the week unfortunately but I do so hope I can get the decals on for the cockpit as that will enable me to close up the main fuselage.

Big steps to take will be making the under wing pylons and the bomb cradles for the bomb bay but that can be left for now.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on January 13, 2016, 05:17:43 am
Thought that some pretty pictures might be in order   ;D

The ejector seats waiting for their straps

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6086_zps779ddxje.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6086_zps779ddxje.jpg.html)

Main undercarriage legs waiting for the oleo's to be painted

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6083_zps9r6xlyy2.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6083_zps9r6xlyy2.jpg.html)

The nose leg has some touching up to do before the assembly is ready to go into the fuselage

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6085_zpsdpgli3bg.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6085_zpsdpgli3bg.jpg.html)

This picture shows that the brace? for the nose leg has been moved forwards. This is due to Airfix making the kit so that all the undercarriage bay doors are open, when you close the larger nose bay doors the brace/stay/whatever is impeded by the doors so it needs to be moved forward a bit. I simply moved it in front of the recommended locating position and reduced its hight by roughly a millimetre.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6084_zpsvliwcqnu.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6084_zpsvliwcqnu.jpg.html)

Now for some wheels.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6082_zpsz1yhqa0a.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6082_zpsz1yhqa0a.jpg.html)

Not 100% but they are close enough for me. Gloss and a wash are scheduled and should bring out the detail in those hubs.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6081_zpss0lyjagf.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6081_zpss0lyjagf.jpg.html)

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: NARSES2 on January 13, 2016, 08:34:52 am
Very neat mate
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on January 14, 2016, 03:48:53 pm
I was considering adding brake lines to the undercarriage legs.

Note, I did say "was" as I considered it way to fiddly for me in 1/72 scale especially as I have not attempted to add any before so I have decided to add the break lines to my 1/48 TSR2 when I get around to building/correcting that kit.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on January 16, 2016, 09:04:54 am
So last night I cleaned my tile  :blink:

OK, I know that's an odd thing to say but I have a ceramic tile that I use to cut PE on and I need it to do something else right now. This......
(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6087_zpsq3rrlimm.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6087_zpsq3rrlimm.jpg.html)

You see two strips of normal store bought masking tape that I have painted with enamel paint, roughly the same colour as the ejector seat belts used in the real TSR2. It's not going to be perfect but certainly far better then nothing at all.

The undercarriage bays and legs are progressing.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6091_zpsumvcpjw1.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6091_zpsumvcpjw1.jpg.html)

The nose undercarriage bay and leg are now almost ready to be installed

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6089_zpskn5uevwn.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6089_zpskn5uevwn.jpg.html)

and the combined Main undercarriage bays/weapons bay is getting very close to the same point.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6093_zpsnbyynab4.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6093_zpsnbyynab4.jpg.html)

they just require touching up then glossed

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6092_zpsxday8ml2.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6092_zpsxday8ml2.jpg.html)

The Weapon bay has had a single coat of paint as I still have to make two cradles for some of the load this aircraft will be carrying.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 16, 2016, 10:44:37 am
Have you read all the warnings about the main landing gear stub axles Alastair?
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on January 16, 2016, 11:42:23 am
Have you read all the warnings about the main landing gear stub axles Alastair?

No, should I be worried or terrified?

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 16, 2016, 04:05:18 pm
Be afraid, be VERY afraid!  :o

1) The stub axles from the main legs to the 'rockers' are too long so when you glue them on there's a gap between the 'rockers' and the main leg. As the legs splay outward there's a huge bending moment applied to the bits of stub axle that are out in the breeze and they slowly bend. Eventually the wheel pairs snap off............

2) One solution us to cut them off and replace them with wire, either superglued or epoxied in place.

I had exactly that problem with my time warped 9 Sqdn TSR2, see below.

(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/883/w6g9.jpg)

Before modifications



(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6735/txst.jpg)

Main leg drilled out



(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5034/s69z.jpg)

After modifications

My original write-up :-

'The negative camber of the main wheels I mentioned in the main build has been getting steadily worse since I built the B1 Special in August, so I just HAD to fix that problem before Telford. Today I took the model back to the work bench and sliced off the rockers just outboard of the main legs. I didn't have to try too hard either, the port leg almost fell off when I attacked it!

Then I looked out two short, like 10mm, lengths of piano wire and drilled out the rockers and the bottom of the main leg to suit. Then super-glued the stub ends of the wire into each rocker and waited till they dried off and then super-glued the assemblies back into place on the main legs. After a suitable curing time I plonked it back on my surface plate, a 9" mirror tile upside down, and the job was done.  ;D'


Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on January 16, 2016, 04:20:28 pm
Thanks Kit, I shall tackle the problem before I get much further with the build  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on January 18, 2016, 02:36:31 pm
Thanks Kit, I shall tackle the problem before I get much further with the build  :thumbsup:

Gondor

This may take a week before I can tackle this problem as I don't have any metal rod of the correct diameter in stock and getting money fortnightly from DWP would have to be next week  :banghead:

At least I know what to do to cure the problem and I can take the rockers with me to the store so I get the correct sized rod/wire

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on January 19, 2016, 08:55:18 am
So while on the subject of undercarriage I decided to do a little work on some of the doors.

As Airfix decided to make the undercarriage doors sit in the open position this means that some of the parts don't fit as well as they could when closed. It's not such a problem for the doors on the fuselage sides but the doors on the underside have to fit over what looks like part of the boundary layer exhaust ducting, it could be something else but the point is that it is easy for there to be a miss match between door and the duct. I decided that it would be far easier to simply glue the duct to the door.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6102_zpsi8fd26pe.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6102_zpsi8fd26pe.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6104_zpsi9buqnly.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6104_zpsi9buqnly.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6103_zpsfednikmr.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6103_zpsfednikmr.jpg.html)

So that was the progress shots which ended up in this....

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6105_zpsubqb5rhi.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6105_zpsubqb5rhi.jpg.html)

which looks far better than if the door was trying to not only fit the fuselage opening but the duct as well

Gondor



Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on January 19, 2016, 02:22:27 pm
Two posts in one day! People will think I have my mojo back or something  ;D

Pretty pictures of some more work.

It's another one of those spiders......

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6107_zpscxfr7lf9.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6107_zpscxfr7lf9.jpg.html)

Since I don't know if Campbell is making anything at the moment I thought I would have a go at detailing the fin. So far so good but as I have only cut out the area of the intake, the easy part.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6108_zpsyca7enun.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6108_zpsyca7enun.jpg.html)

Ladies and gentlemen, on the left may I present the Odds And Ordinance replacement TSR2 tail while on the right is the Airfix example.....

It should be easy to do he says........ cut out part of the leading edge of the fin then make a hollow rectangular tube to take the part of the leading edge intake, blend the two together and voilą. What could be simpler?  :blink:

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on January 25, 2016, 07:51:08 am

It should be easy to do he says........ cut out part of the leading edge of the fin then make a hollow rectangular tube to take the part of the leading edge intake, blend the two together and voilą. What could be simpler?  :blink:

Gondor


Actually this was not too bad

All the component parts together

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6109_zpsldmple1f.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6109_zpsldmple1f.jpg.html)

The two small pieces or rod are 0.010" x 0.030" plastic strip and I am not sure what the parts that are for the side are in thickness as it was a piece of scrap on my workbench

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6110_zps2xqbdmd2.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6110_zps2xqbdmd2.jpg.html)

I glued the small strips in place first, far easier than after any other part and by adding glue to the sides then adding them to the fin I would not move the small plastic strip.

One side on

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6112_zpslrneq9dj.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6112_zpslrneq9dj.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6111_zpsqwzwxc1f.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6111_zpsqwzwxc1f.jpg.html)

One of the hardest things to do so far with this was placing the sides onto the fin but I managed it

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6113_zpsvyskw9h1.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6113_zpsvyskw9h1.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6114_zpswsa1njby.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6114_zpswsa1njby.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6115_zpsgj3l4meo.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6115_zpsgj3l4meo.jpg.html)

So I still have to add some filler to blend all the parts together as well as trim the parts to the fin but I think it's looking good. Not bad for 1/72 scale I think  ;D

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on January 30, 2016, 03:50:50 am
The finished tail fin

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6118_zpsnvtaryjx.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6118_zpsnvtaryjx.jpg.html)

Mine is the one on the right.

Next one I detail I will use thinner card for the sides as they look a little thick to me.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Captain Canada on February 05, 2016, 08:06:04 am
Great work so far. It's all in the details lol

 :tornado: :cheers: :bow:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on February 08, 2016, 11:17:46 am
Finally got back to doing something with this build, or any build for that matter.

Last week I had a little trip into Edinburgh to visit Wonderland so I could get something to use as a new axle as per Kit's suggestion. It's only taken me a week to start the repair upgrade but I have now started.

The material I am using..... cut roughly to length
(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6121_zpsabu4ocnr.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6121_zpsabu4ocnr.jpg.html)

What is to be removed
(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6123_zpsbcogs62l.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6123_zpsbcogs62l.jpg.html)

One hole, mid way through making it to the right size which in this case is to be 1.6mm so I am taking it in steps
(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6122_zpszdxcjfc2.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6122_zpszdxcjfc2.jpg.html)

In place but not glued yet

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6125_zpsiayiiibr.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6125_zpsiayiiibr.jpg.html)


Test fitted with a bogie in place so I could fix the depth of the axle prior to fixing it in place

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6126_zpsduwpqwpw.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6126_zpsduwpqwpw.jpg.html)


Not worried if the bogie is the correct one for the leg, it was just used for test fitting the new axle. Not worried if it shows through, that can be filed down until it's flush

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6127_zpsinf3pqc3.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6127_zpsinf3pqc3.jpg.html)

The seats have also had some seat belts added then I gave the whole seat a coat of varnish to help keep the belts in place as they are only painted masking tape.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6128_zpsupwrv8pt.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6128_zpsupwrv8pt.jpg.html)

The seats have been glued into the cockpit area to wait on me to put the instrument panels in place and to replace both of the main undercarriage axles. Once that's done the fuselage half's will be assembled into one!

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 08, 2016, 12:13:39 pm
The main gear upgrade looks good Alastair, best of luck with it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Old Wombat on February 08, 2016, 07:31:02 pm
This is 1/72nd, yah? :blink:


I'm never touching an aircraft again! :o




(edit to fix typo)
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Captain Canada on February 08, 2016, 08:25:12 pm
Love it. can't wait to see more !  :cheers:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: zenrat on February 09, 2016, 01:33:27 am
This is 1/72nd, yah? :blink:


I'm never touching a aircraft again! :o

I wouldn't go that far. But I might avoid the TSR2 in my stash for a bit longer...
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 09, 2016, 01:39:38 am
It's not the easiest kit in the world to build, even in OOB form, but looks great when it's done well, as Alastair's doing.

It'd be interesting to see how the 'New Airfix' would have engineered the TSR2, but it'll never happen of course.
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on February 09, 2016, 02:53:47 am
This is 1/72nd, yah? :blink:


I'm never touching an aircraft again! :o




(edit to fix typo)

If you think that my build quality is high you should check out these two Phantom builds

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234992986-172-mcdd-f-4-c-phantom-ii-hasegawamonogram-kitbash/?view=getnewpost

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234993254-rf-4b-us-marines-vmcj-1-hasegawa-172/?view=getnewpost

and this build too, although admittedly its 1/32

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234994767-132-matchboxrevell-kitbashery-westland-p12-wendover/?view=getnewpost

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Old Wombat on February 09, 2016, 05:59:39 am
They don't count! They is crazy, weird Mo-Fo's*. :blink:

We're just weird! ;D









(* = modelling fellows ;) )
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on February 09, 2016, 08:48:13 am
It's not the easiest kit in the world to build, even in OOB form, but looks great when it's done well, as Alastair's doing.

It'd be interesting to see how the 'New Airfix' would have engineered the TSR2, but it'll never happen of course.

Hopefully they would have used reference pictures of the aircraft from around the time it flew rather than purely from the aircraft in the museum as all the undercarriage doors are designed to be open which they would only be during a major servicing when in a hanger. They could also have made a better go at having the top of the forward fuselage blending in with the surface above the wing too. As for the undercarriage, there is the problem with the axle that has recently been talked about but added to that there is difficulty in precisely placing the struts for the main undercarriage legs. I had to look at several pictures of the aircraft before guessing where they went  :banghead: Oh, and the cockpit decals could be made the right size to fit onto the instrument panels and side consoles.

Gondor



Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 09, 2016, 09:29:13 am
Oh, and the cockpit decals could be made the right size to fit onto the instrument panels and side consoles.

Gondor


You can only JUST see them anyway, and the rear pit is 100% invisible.
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on February 09, 2016, 10:05:12 am

You can only JUST see them anyway, and the rear pit is 100% invisible.


It's still frustrating when they do that regardless of the visibility at the end of the build  :banghead:

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on February 10, 2016, 05:13:47 am

This is 1/72nd, yah? :blink:

I'm never touching an aircraft again! :o


It's not that bad.

The straps are not really that small

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6131_zpszf3vdibm.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6131_zpszf3vdibm.jpg.html)
(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6129_zpshu8kapye.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6129_zpshu8kapye.jpg.html)
(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6130_zps4wf9eyro.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6130_zps4wf9eyro.jpg.html)

Not when you compare mine to the real ones

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6128_zpsupwrv8pt.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6128_zpsupwrv8pt.jpg.html)
(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/3847474857_a91e947ab3_zpsebgdlgji.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/3847474857_a91e947ab3_zpsebgdlgji.jpg.html)

The last picture was found on the web somewhere and I had not intended to post it so didn't remember from which walk around it came from.

The second axle will be replaced later. This time by drilling away part of the existing axle so I get better alignment.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 10, 2016, 06:16:57 am
That pic of the ejection seat was taken at Cosford when they had a dedicated Martin Baker exhibit. It's been replaced by the EFA now, but it maybe elsewhere on the site, but I've not found it yet.
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on February 14, 2016, 07:53:05 am
I had been thinking of how to mount the six weapons I am putting into the weapons bay, or rather how to replicate the intended triple bomb cradles for the weapons bay. Inspiration came to me while looking at the weapons bay as I remembered that Airfix provide a pallet of some kind that is an optional load for the aircraft. The ends fit the shape of the bay  :thumbsup:

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6134_zps6x4hqkdm.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6134_zps6x4hqkdm.jpg.html)

These are the weapons I am putting inside the bay, six BL577's which will be in two sets of three.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6135_zpsq7kwe8mj.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6135_zpsq7kwe8mj.jpg.html)

However, don't you just love those however's, when measuring sizes against each other I realised that everything was going to be a very tight fit. Plastic kit manufacturers don't have access to materials that replicate the required strength at the required scale thickness so some parts have to have smaller dimensions in places and this could be one of them as the weapons only just fit inside the bay without anything else around them  :banghead:  In fact, not visible in this picture, the BL577's are slightly proud of the edges of the bay so I may need to "adjust" their dimensions when I fit them after the fuselage is assembled.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6136_zps9tquteab.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6136_zps9tquteab.jpg.html)

So as nothing looks as if it is going to be seen I have decided to cheat when I install the weapons  ;D

The darn things will be glued in place and only those in the know will realise that the spiel given at shows about the detailed carrier, just like those seen in publications about the aircraft, is not actually there  :rolleyes:

After all, the weapons hide the cradle so nothing will be seen anyway and it saves me a lot of fiddly work with 10 thou plastic strip  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on February 16, 2016, 07:17:22 am
Got the fuselage glued together with all the three sub assemblies installed at the same time. The cockpit, nose-wheel bay and weapons bay/main undercarriage bay were all added at the same time as I joined the fuselage half's as this allows them to be moved slightly to one side or the other allowing them to be lined up correctly and not off to one side or the other.

I have three clamps holding everything together as a couple of areas wanted to not fit quite as well as the rest. It's nothing drastic or exceptional, I could have used elastic bands or tape but I prefer to use clamps.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on February 16, 2016, 10:52:20 am
More glue has been applied.

The separate underside section has now been glued in place

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6137_zpsydshpuyn.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6137_zpsydshpuyn.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6138_zpsruxsu0g7.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6138_zpsruxsu0g7.jpg.html)

The supports between the sides of the weapons bay have been removed now and the area glued to the weapons bay which should be the last bit of glueing for the underside for a few days while I PSR the main intakes and edges of various fuselage section joints. The hole forward of the nose undercarriage bay is there just in case I need to add a little nose weight later on as there is no room further forward and there is a separate hatch that covers the hole I hacked out of the fuselage half's.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on February 17, 2016, 09:23:18 am
I really should check and double check things before I move onto the next step but this time I forgot to do so.  :banghead:

Such as in this instance

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6139_zpswzztakxe.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6139_zpswzztakxe.jpg.html)

I should have made sure that I had both the rudder pedals and the control column installed prior to fixing the fuselage together. All is not lost though...

Because the cockpit combing not fitted yet there is plenty of room to insert the pedals which are being held in the self gripping tweezers

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6140_zpsv8qlnqr4.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6140_zpsv8qlnqr4.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6141_zpsnkeij6xw.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6141_zpsnkeij6xw.jpg.html)

The control column presented its own problem. It's too tall as it is  :banghead:

This slightly fuzzy picture shows the handle of the control column almost level with the top of the instrument panel  :blink:

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6142_zpszx9d7tke.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6142_zpszx9d7tke.jpg.html)

Swiftly removing the column I reduced it's hight but cutting off the thicker bottom part then removing the paint at the bottom of the remaining column so the glue had something to adhere to. Looks much better now

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6143_zpsqbpyanbx.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6143_zpsqbpyanbx.jpg.html)

Not much more being done today and another little tip to hand on to people so a satisfying day

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on February 20, 2016, 12:05:38 pm
Not done tons of work on this in the last couple of days but I have finalised the weapons load, at least the part that I am going to show for now  ;D

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6145_zpsouk0dyod.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6145_zpsouk0dyod.jpg.html)

The picture shows the triple sets of 1,000lb bombs that will be inside the weapons bay with two rows of 1,000lb bombs that will be on beams under the inner wing pylons. Sources for the bombs are, Weapons Bay: Airfix 70's RAF Hawk & RAF Jaguar kits. The bombs for the Beams are are from Freightdog.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on February 20, 2016, 03:26:44 pm
Just a small update to show that I may be on top of this model which is starting to get completed.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6146_zpseyfxzx5r.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6146_zpseyfxzx5r.jpg.html)

It's just a test fit of the wings and upper fuselage parts along with the exhaust pipes and vertical tail in place just to see how it looks. So far so good I think, or at least close enough that I can't work my way around any problems.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: DogfighterZen on February 20, 2016, 09:01:53 pm
Looking good indeed! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 08, 2016, 10:22:02 am
Slow progress recently though realising that we are into the final month has caused me to pick up the pace a bit.

Recent work has been on the weapons that the aircraft will be carrying, namely British 1,000lb bombs. I did find a picture on the internet of bombs used by the Vickers Valiant and decided to use that colour scheme so here are the bombs for the Indian Eagle alone with some other bombs I have been preparing for another build.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6170_zpssgnkefvx.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6170_zpssgnkefvx.jpg.html)

As you can see, they still require some work although the basic colours are finished. On the right side of the picture are the 1,000lb bombs with the top four from Freightdog. These four will be on two bomb beams from the old Airfix Jaguar while the other six bombs are a mix of parts from the same kit or the same time period Airfix H.S. Hawk and Red Arrows Hawk from the same time period. I live the look of the bombs from these kits, they just look right to me so any donations of similar parts will be most welcome.  ;D

The bombs on the left side of the picture, all twelve of them, are from Hasegawa weapons set One and are the last I have of the Mk 81, the previous twelve have done a disappearing act along with my last MER's  :banghead:

All the bombs need a yellow ring around their noses, the 1,000lb bombs require the ring to be a distance from the end of their noses such as below.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/val14b_zpsofpva4qm.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/val14b_zpsofpva4qm.jpg.html)

To help achieve this I intend to paint the yellow rings by hand with a 10/0 paint brush  :o

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6164_zpsaq7s3zzf.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6164_zpsaq7s3zzf.jpg.html)

I expect this to be frustrating and may end in my using a few naughty words during this evening.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 08, 2016, 02:27:35 pm
Well the painting of the yellow rings was both good and bad.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6171_zps94z6kpka.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6171_zps94z6kpka.jpg.html)

The small Mk 81 bombs were no problem at all, but try painting a ring around the nose of a British 1,000lb bomb free hand  :-\ :banghead: :blink:

I did come up with an alternative painting method for the 1,000lb'ers, paint a solid yellow band with the edge nearest the body as straight as I can manage while making sure that there is enough yellow forward of that rear edge to form the band and it could even extend further forward than required because I can always paint over the yellow with more green in a day or so to tidy up the band!  :-\

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 08, 2016, 02:41:40 pm
Looks like your local hardware store has been doing land office business in clothes pegs Alastair!  ;D :lol:

I've used that method of painting the whole nose of the bomb yellow and then overpainting the very tip with green, and it seems to work quite well. You only need to ensure one side of the paint line is straight at any one time.
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: TallEng on March 08, 2016, 09:44:44 pm
Just idle thinking/remembering didn't someone here suggest dipping the noses of bombs in
The required colour for the band and then when the yellow or whatever colour had dried dipping
The nose of said weapon into the main colour again and thus creating a band of the required colour with straight edges? Obviously some (repeatable) accuracy would be required on the second dip, but it could/might provide a
Band with nice straight edges?
Alternatively I might be talking absolute wossnames :rolleyes:
Another alternative might be to print bands of the required width/colour etc on clear decal sheet?
Apologies if I'm less than lucid, it's the end of night shift and I probably should be in bed :o

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 09, 2016, 01:47:58 am
Just idle thinking/remembering didn't someone here suggest dipping the noses of bombs in
The required colour for the band and then when the yellow or whatever colour had dried dipping
The nose of said weapon into the main colour again and thus creating a band of the required colour with straight edges? Obviously some (repeatable) accuracy would be required on the second dip, but it could/might provide a
Band with nice straight edges?
Alternatively I might be talking absolute wossnames :rolleyes:
Another alternative might be to print bands of the required width/colour etc on clear decal sheet?
Apologies if I'm less than lucid, it's the end of night shift and I probably should be in bed :o

Regards
Keith

Both good ideas for which I have good reasons for not using.

1) Build up of paint on each nose as the bombs with the square fins have fuses moulded on them.

2) Curves. The nose of a tapering cylinder is a difficult thing to print an accurate stripe for and applying the resultant decal could take an age and tons of decal setting solution.

Besides I know the way I am doing the rings/bands. It might be low tech and require me to up my painting skill to get the straight edges but that's fine for me.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 12, 2016, 04:05:06 pm
Progress is very slow  :banghead:

Got the noses of the 1,000lb bombs painted so that there is now a nice thin band around each bomb, who knows, maybe tomorrow I will get them joined together into two groups of three so that they can fit into the weapons bay. Yet to decide exactly how I am going to fit them inside but I am favouring a metal pin from the centre bomb up into the roof of the bay so that the attachment point is hidden.

Some PSR was done as well. Also fitted the upper air brakes after the fuselage was all together. I must remember not to do that again though saying that the internal parts were not too difficult to fit as I thought they would be. Not 100% sure that it will be finished by the end of this Group build, but it will be at the Scottish Nationals. Thinking about buying a mirror for it to sit on seeing that I will have put bombs inside the weapons bay so why not show them off?

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 13, 2016, 11:47:08 am
Finished the bombs that make up the majority of the weapons load. Not perfect but certainly look the part.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6176_zpsegdgfhnt.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6176_zpsegdgfhnt.jpg.html)

Still got to finish the PSR on the aircraft and to make the under wing pylons or I might just "borrow" a set from a Jaguar instead which is the most likely prospect.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Captain Canada on March 13, 2016, 12:02:57 pm
Love it. Look at all those bombs ! I love an a/c loaded to the t*ts !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 13, 2016, 02:21:16 pm
Love it. Look at all those bombs ! I love an a/c loaded to the t*ts !

 :cheers:

It's only ten of them Captain. Six for internal carriage and four to go under the wings.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 13, 2016, 04:19:17 pm
Talking about hanging some of the bombs from under the wings, I have sourced a set of Jaguar pylons which look a little lost under the wing of a TSR2  :blink:

Subtle adjustments have been made while allow the pylons to sit as close to flush against the underside of the wing as I can tell and the bomb beam has had filler applied to the ejector* pin marks that come with them so they will be ready tomorrow for me to apply paint.

Not decided on how or what the aircraft serial number will be yet, better start thinking about that as I will need to have made my mind up soonish.

Gondor

*The description is highlighted because some people believe that such marks are injection marks not from ejection. In other words, they don't know their in from their out and the aforementioned people were not necessarily from this forum  :banghead:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: zenrat on March 14, 2016, 02:03:30 am
...*The description is highlighted because some people believe that such marks are injection marks not from ejection. In other words, they don't know their in from their out and the aforementioned people were not necessarily from this forum  :banghead:

Possibly related to The Boy who last week informed me People are involved from monkeys.
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 14, 2016, 08:12:01 am
Weapons load is almost complete. After a test fit of the 1,000lb bomb in the weapons bay I decided just to glue the triplets of bombs together. So one short session with some super-glue and the results look good.

I am going to have to add some kind of pin and a hole/slot for the pin to go into which will help the bombs stay in position but I have a bit of time yet.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6181_zpsb7gxjqo7.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6181_zpsb7gxjqo7.jpg.html)

Here are all the weapons laid out as they will be placed on the aircraft. The picture imagines that the nose of the aircraft is to the left. I still have to finish the rocket pods for the outer panels but that's not an immediate problem.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6178_zpsjrj6ltwl.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6178_zpsjrj6ltwl.jpg.html)

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 14, 2016, 12:59:47 pm
Worked out and implemented, well nearly, my method of getting the weapons bay bombs in the right place and at the right angle.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6182_zpsnjqr8ydi.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6182_zpsnjqr8ydi.jpg.html)

I have drilled holes in the roof of the weapons bay for the pins to protrude through. A big dod of glue and a gentle finger to hold the triplets of bombs just right and bob's your auntie or something like that  :blink:

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6183_zpswdzwxgwh.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6183_zpswdzwxgwh.jpg.html)

Unfortunately I could not get the right sized drill to be held in the chuck, 1mm for goodness sake why is it always that size and a few thou more that wont fit any drill I have  :banghead: :banghead:

Consequently the hole is a little on the large size but with the glue it will stay as intended, it works for the bombs as I used the same sized drill so it should, fingers crossed, hold when I add the bombs to the weapons bay.

There will be a slight problem due to scale and materiel thickness which means the edges if the fins are slightly proud of the bay, however as the weapons bay doors will be open I don't think the slight difference will be noticeable.

Next stage is to "fit" the undercarriage doors  :blink:  or what passes as fit for this kit then it's out with the hairy stick and copious amounts of paint  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 14, 2016, 04:58:44 pm

Looks like your local hardware store has been doing land office business in clothes pegs Alastair!  ;D :lol:


I have had a count up Kit, there are another eight wooden clothes pegs on and around the modelling mat that I have found. I use them for a wide variety of jobs. The extra eight have, in no particular order of quantity or preference and with other uses missed out possibly; blobs of Blu Tack to hold parts for detail painting; loops of low tack tape, for similar applications as the Blu Tack but without the residual tacky mess when removing the parts; Tooth pick holders, the centre of the springs or the small round cut out in front of the spring, depending on clothes peg, is just about right for holding cocktail sticks upright when the cocktail sticks have been used to spear an item for painting such as a tyre. Sprue can also be help in a similar way or even gripped by the body of the clothes peg dependant on the size of the sprue.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Captain Canada on March 15, 2016, 04:04:13 am
Nice work, great to see it all coming together ! No worries about the fins in my eyes, as you stated, won't even be noticeable.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: NARSES2 on March 15, 2016, 08:09:44 am
I use clothes pegs for a variety of things. For holding parts whilst painting I get double sided tape/pads from the £1 store. (You get a roll of tape and a fair few sheets of the pads in the pack) Both the tape and the pads are slightly padded, about 1.5/2mm thick and hold most things firmly. The hold is strong enough that the clothes peg + pad can be used multiple times. Have a look in your £1 store stationary section, recommended.
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 18, 2016, 04:34:18 pm
Found that I have still more clothes pegs holding things such as instrument panels and ejector seats in various boxes too so the count is probably over thirty of them  :rolleyes:

Progress has been made though despite all the things going on in real life.

The cockpit canopies are now on and adding the undercarriage doors is in progress. I think I have a problem with paint for the undersides of the aircraft so I hope I can get a replacement tin of paint or I will have to change brand or paint type, I'm using Humbrol Enamel neither of which I really want to do. Mind you the paint is quite old being in a tin with the paper label in the lid. At least all that has been painted so far is the underside of the tail planes and the underwing pylons so it's not a problem, yet.

Working on a method of allowing the vertical tail to be removable while still being strong and vertical. At the moment the plan is to insert a metal tube into the rudders pin which will then fit into a plastic tube which will be fitted into the rear fuselage. Potentially fiddly as the plastic tube has to fit between the two exhaust pipes but I am sure I can manage even if I have to remove the rudders plastic pin and fit the metal tube directly to the rudder rather than extending the pin.

Pictures will follow ........ if it works  :-\

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 20, 2016, 01:27:22 pm
As promised, some pictures of what I am doing with the fin so that it is easily removable for transportation and will not fall over or be at an odd angle when fitted to the model.

First up, shorten the existing pin

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6189_zpsy9adnw2e.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6189_zpsy9adnw2e.jpg.html)

Then drill a hole into the fin along the axis of the pin and along its centre line, the pencil lines are a guide. Both the axis and the centre line should be the same, if not you have a problem  ;D

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6190_zpsi0bg5apz.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6190_zpsi0bg5apz.jpg.html)

Insert a pre cut length of wire, or in my case brass tube, so that roughly 1.5cm protrudes from the fin.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6191_zps5du7xv9c.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6191_zps5du7xv9c.jpg.html)

Because I used the exact size of drill to make the hole, the brass tube was a snug fit, so snug that when drop of super glue was applied to the hole and the tube pushed in I could not insert the tube as far as previously  :banghead:

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6192_zpsfv4wsvq6.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6192_zpsfv4wsvq6.jpg.html)

This resulted in my having to neatly remove a section of tube with a socking great fin stuck to the end of it rather than simply running the tube back and forth under a reasonably sharp knife to remove the necessary amount.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6193_zps9njv0nup.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6193_zps9njv0nup.jpg.html)

Here is a roughly assembled picture of the fin in place without any of the supporting parts in place. These will be plastic so that the metal of the pin will not be fixed in place when they are fixed. Below are pictures showing the intended assembly of parts.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6194_zpskt0vdtno.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6194_zpskt0vdtno.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6195_zpshy0za1vr.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6195_zpshy0za1vr.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6196_zpsrsixbvmm.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6196_zpsrsixbvmm.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6197_zpsxrccot5i.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6197_zpsxrccot5i.jpg.html)

Don't worry, I have checked that the external diameter of the plastic tube which the brass tube goes into does fit between the exhausts when they are fitted into the rear of the kit. In fact while writing this I realised that the ends of the exhausts that go inside the fuselage were a little bit tight so I have used a file to slightly open up the area to ease the fitting of the parts.

With luck I will have this all assembled tonight or tomorrow.

Gondor

Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 20, 2016, 01:36:49 pm
I wonder if they had these problems at BAC when they were building it in1:1 scale?  ;D :lol:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 20, 2016, 04:11:25 pm
Probably not but the 1:1 scale version was not engineered by Airfix where this kit was.

Airfix would have you glue, what I would describe by its appearance as, a plastic washer onto the pin that protrudes from either the fin or tail plains while avoiding glueing the parts to the fuselage so allowing them to move  :rolleyes:. Yeah right  :-\

At least my way means I can get the lid shut on the travelling box without breaking anything or making a hole for the fin to poke through!*

Gondor

*Other methods are available but may depend on the modellers imagination and modelling ability
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 21, 2016, 06:48:48 am
Well things never seem to go as planned.

Went to remove the fin a bit later and found that for some reason it was stuck in place. After a tug I freed the fin which also removed the longer plastic tube which the brass rod was supposed to sit freely inside. For some reason both the brass tube and plastic tubes were glued together  :blink:

So Plan 1B  :banghead:

Insert longer plastic tube, shorten the Brass tube so it cant get glued to the plastic tube, absolutely no idea why that happened and remove the remaining plastic pin from the fin.

First stage. Longer plastic tube.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6198_zps0o1a4kai.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6198_zps0o1a4kai.jpg.html)

The external diameter of the plastic tube is the same as the diameter of the pin that is on the kit's fin so it fits nicely through the existing hole.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6199_zpsfztvrpln.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6199_zpsfztvrpln.jpg.html)

Second stage. The remaining plastic pin was removed. This was part of my initial thoughts but I thought that I would not be able to drill far enough into the fin accurately to provide a decent location for the metal pin.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6200_zpspwgzuevp.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6200_zpspwgzuevp.jpg.html)

My worries over the depth of the hole I could create were unfounded. I managed roughly 5mm depth. The dark lines further up the fin are pencil lines drawn in line from the side of the plastic pin to act as a guide while drilling.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6202_zpsgywmqfde.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6202_zpsgywmqfde.jpg.html)

So that's that problem sorted out! The fin requires a slight push to get it to fit snugly, but it near vertical and able to move freely and also means that I can fit the model into the carry box which only has 9cm hight between the Polystyrene sheet I place my models onto and the lid.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6203_zps33uh09qw.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6203_zps33uh09qw.jpg.html)

Yes I know that the tail plains need to be fitted, however with the build sequence that I have used compared to the sequence that Airfix came up with, I will be simply glueing them to the attachment points rather than to the washers on the inside of the fuselage.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6204_zpsfcs8rtfv.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6204_zpsfcs8rtfv.jpg.html)

It's not neat, its not the best ever build either. But it looks like a TSR2 and as I don't intend for this to go into a competition so it's not going to matter that it's not perfect.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 21, 2016, 04:16:14 pm
Phew, that was grabbing success out of a potential fail mode Alastair. Good job.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 21, 2016, 04:37:58 pm
Phew, that was grabbing success out of a potential fail mode Alastair. Good job.  :thumbsup:

Thanks Kit, not sure about the plastic to metal bonding though. :blink: All I can think of is a mix of fine tolerance of fit combined with a somewhat porous metal. Had to cut the plastic tube off the brass tube so the plastic tube in the final pictures is a new section. The thicker section of tube fitted to the bottom of the fuselage was glued in place with Revell Contacta Professional then a blob or two of super glue was used to make sure that the bottom end didn't move anywhere.

Added what I hope is the last filler for the model, I will sand it back tomorrow as I like to make sure any filler has had plenty of time to cure.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6205_zpsblnrovxn.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6205_zpsblnrovxn.jpg.html)

While the aircraft was flat on its back I decided to fix the weapons bay bombs in place. A touch of paint to cover up the glue between the bombs and they are finished.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6206_zpsqmlc7e3g.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6206_zpsqmlc7e3g.jpg.html)

A drop of super glue into the hole where the mounting pin was going and a drop on the surface of the bomb to be in contact with the weapons bay roof with a light touch to hold everything in place and that was it. Dead easy  ;D

Weapons pylons got a coat of Light Aircraft Grey tonight as well so I could easily be glueing the Freightdog 1,000lbers onto the bomb beams some time tomorrow. Starting to get to the paint stage now and the box is getting very empty indeed. Still got loads to do including the nose wheels which need the hubs finished off and the tyres painted still  :banghead:

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 23, 2016, 03:01:06 pm
More progress. It's starting to get finished. Pretty much just the nose probe, wheels and under wing weapons and pylons as well as the obvious paint and decals. Just a shame that I am losing almost all of two days worth as I am shopping with my girlfriend tomorrow, that's providing transport and muscles to carry the shopping, followed by being at her mums to help go through the bits her aunt left when she died. Most of Friday will be taken up with the funeral of said aunt so I may or may not manage to get a little bit of modelling done on Friday evening.

Anyway, enough sad news so on with the pictures.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6212_zpsypwxadft.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6212_zpsypwxadft.jpg.html)

Still need to touch up the edges of the undercarriage bays and doors with Light Admiralty Grey before I paint the underside in Light Aircraft Grey. I don't expect to be doing that until Saturday though as I have a few bits of PSR that I feel I must do for my own sake.

Now I have drawn some pencil lines under the wings. There is a very good reason for that and once you have looked at the picture I will explain my reasoning behind putting them there.  ;D

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6213_zpsesiidlvb.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6213_zpsesiidlvb.jpg.html)

Now you have looked at the picture it's my turn to keep my end or the bargain.  :lol:

The start of the pencil lines is at the hole in the underside of the wing where the pylon mounting points are. These are defined by Airfix as circles on the underside of the wing near the leading edge, roughly 1.5cm for the outer pylon and roughly 2cm for the inner wing pylon. I measured the distance to the rear of each pylon from the forward locating pin in sixteenths of an inch but drew each line two sixteenths shorter than measured so that I knew where each pylon was to go so that I could try not to put too much paint on that line. Whether it will work we will have to see.

Not sure if I should have serials under the wings and if so what size, nor have I decided what serial range I should use for the aircraft as the Indian Air Force appears to use a different letter for each aircraft type, though I could be wrong about that.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on March 28, 2016, 11:09:54 am
The undersides are now a nice uniform Light Aircraft Grey so I have reached a stage that I do not like. Masking  :banghead:

It's the fiddling around with tape that never wants to go where you want it to go nor to stick when you want it to and always does when you don't want it to stick.

I can handle the paint demarcation between upper surface colours reasonably well by hand, its the hard edge between the top and bottom colours that I find difficult. Got to be done though or I don't get to the decal stage and the model doesn't get finished  :-\

Still got to come up with a serial number for this aircraft though :(

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 02, 2016, 03:32:16 pm
First coat of paint on the upper surfaces and it looks a right mess. For some reason the tin of Humbrol paint I am using does not want to stick to the brush unless I spend at least fifteen minutes stirring the darn thing, then after five minutes it needs mixing again or it will stop adhering to the brush. Think I will try adding a couple of drops of thinners to the tin for its second coat. Still got under the tail planes as well as their leading edges and those of the wings along with the cockpit canopies to paint but I think I can get away with sorting them out tomorrow evening.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 03, 2016, 03:52:32 pm
Well I added some thinners to the paint today but its still thickening up way faster than I would expect so I have to keep stopping to thin it down a bit. My conclusion is that the volatiles that Humbrol are using to keep the pigment liquid are a little too volatile  :blink:

All I did on the aircraft today was to adjust the amount of fuselage the upper camouflage will cover as the demarcation line was way too high. Going to add the Green to the upper surfaces tomorrow in an attempt to reduce the amount of painting I have to do. Don't worry, that sentence makes sense to me.  ;D

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: NARSES2 on April 04, 2016, 07:11:10 am
Acrylic or enamel paint ?

Must admit I found the "flip" top tubs that Humbrol originally used for their acrylics led to the paint drying out very, very quickly. The newer style screw tops are far better. Humbrol also had to bring their paint manufacture back to the UK as they were having horrendous production control problems, and those overseas made paints are still out there  :banghead:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 04, 2016, 07:27:42 am
Acrylic or enamel paint ?

Must admit I found the "flip" top tubs that Humbrol originally used for their acrylics led to the paint drying out very, very quickly. The newer style screw tops are far better. Humbrol also had to bring their paint manufacture back to the UK as they were having horrendous production control problems, and those overseas made paints are still out there  :banghead:

Enamel and it could well be some of the overseas made lot as I buy from Hobbycraft as its the only place I can get to on a regular basis.

Not keen on the Xtracrylic paint but the Humbrol Acrylic is ok.

It's basically each to their own as far as paint preference goes, some hate one brand or range while someone else loves the same paint.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 04, 2016, 11:40:05 am
Definitely sure it's the paint now as I have just brushed the green on with no problem other than my fingers getting involved so I now have to touch up the Light Grey on the underside where I left a green thumb print  :banghead:
They style of the printing on the tin is the same for the greys, multiple coats and thickening paint, with the green having a different font and style and no problem covering and staying liquid.

Starting to look better now there is some decent paint coverage on the top

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6218_zps3hrjiqk7.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6218_zps3hrjiqk7.jpg.html)

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: NARSES2 on April 05, 2016, 07:08:02 am

It's basically each to their own as far as paint preference goes, some hate one brand or range while someone else loves the same paint.

Gondor

Very much so. I like Lifecolor in acrylics and White Ensign in enamels although I use a host of different makes and my preference can change as quickly as ladies fashion  :blink:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 05, 2016, 07:54:08 am
A second coat of Dark Grey is on and it's covered well, must be all the thinners I have added. Touching up the Light Grey will be for tomorrow than I can get on with the black and the metal exhaust area prior to decalling. Definitely getting there.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Captain Canada on April 05, 2016, 07:59:06 am
Looks good. The plane is just a natural in camo. Love the bomb load as well !

 :drink:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 05, 2016, 10:00:59 am
Looks good. The plane is just a natural in camo. Love the bomb load as well !

 :drink:

That's just what's in the weapons bay Captain, there will be two pylons under each wing as well!

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Captain Canada on April 05, 2016, 10:55:36 am
Perfect !

PS-Everytime I see the thread title I see " Strength through Victory" and it doesn't make any sense  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 05, 2016, 11:53:56 am
Perfect !

PS-Everytime I see the thread title I see " Strength through Victory" and it doesn't make any sense  :thumbsup:

The title is either the Squadron motto or the Indian Air Force motto, probably the latter. The script is Hindi but I cant remember what I wrote. The Aircraft is called after the Indian Eagle which is probably the first part of the Hindi with the second part more than likely Hindi for Indian Air Force. I wonder if my printer will print Hindi for it's display label?

Gondor

EDIT: I got that wrong. Strength is Victory is the Squadron Motto of 5 Squadron Indian Air Force
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 10, 2016, 03:03:45 pm
A little update to say that I am still hoping to get this finished for the end of the Group Build. Just painted the black RF transparent material and the RAM on the intakes, all by hand with no masking   ;D

Overall shot of the model first

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6231_zpshh9x7xzo.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6231_zpshh9x7xzo.jpg.html)

The intakes, painted freehand

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6232_zpsvbvsejnh.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6232_zpsvbvsejnh.jpg.html)

and the aerials on the inner wing leading edge which were also painted freehand

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6233_zpso5sq5duq.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6233_zpso5sq5duq.jpg.html)

Quite pleased with the way the black has turned out, at least as far as making the edges neat.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 12, 2016, 11:35:13 am
Well it's getting there although I have just encountered a problem  :banghead: :banghead:

The brass rod I bought to be replacement pins for the undercarriage has proved to be too small  :banghead: :banghead:

The aircraft is at the moment sat on a tin of Humbrol paint to provide the correct hight at the rear, the nose leg has its wheels on, and tin's of paint are stopping the bogies from splaying outwards while some Araldite is curing. Hopefully once that dries it will take the weight of the model which has been glossed ready for its decals. This stage with the wheels though is the real crunch stage though as everything hinges on the bogie  :rolleyes:

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6237_zpsnkv2w5o2.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6237_zpsnkv2w5o2.jpg.html)

Fortunately the joints appear to be quite sturdy although the bogies are splayed out a little which could well be due to the angle that I ended up getting the axles at

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6239_zps2e97e7co.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6239_zps2e97e7co.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6238_zpsscynpb6x.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6238_zpsscynpb6x.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6240_zps0i54p6dw.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6240_zps0i54p6dw.jpg.html)

So this evening I will be adding decals to this build.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 12, 2016, 03:05:10 pm
So as promised, decals  ;D

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6242_zpstewx5ula.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6242_zpstewx5ula.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6243_zpskeftd4ov.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6243_zpskeftd4ov.jpg.html)

Yes I know the roundels on the tops of the wings are a little on the small size for this aircraft but its what I though would go better with a tactical aircraft that would operate at low level which did not want to draw attention to itself with large areas of white.

I also realise that some people will think that the elephant's are pointing the wrong way. It's the same direction as on the squadrons Canberra, or at least on the decal sheet where I got the pachyderm's from so I feel quite safe about that detail.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: NARSES2 on April 13, 2016, 07:02:41 am
Transfers really bring it all together  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: DogfighterZen on April 13, 2016, 01:24:41 pm
Those markings looks great on that camo, nice combination! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 13, 2016, 02:09:49 pm
Realised that I have the fuselage serial in the wrong place so they need painted over and fresh ones put in the correct place  :banghead: :banghead:

Not such a great problem as I still need to do a little bit of touching up as far as the paint is concerned mainly on the wing trailing edges which are almost thick enough to be barn doors  :blink:

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 14, 2016, 07:38:39 am
Sorted out the touching up and covering the serials which were put in the standard UK position rather than Indian Air Force position. Once the paint has dried it will be time for the Matte coat, gloss was applied prior to going to bed last night, then its on with the wing pylons which include the weapons and that should be the model finished  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 16, 2016, 03:14:31 pm
One day to go and that has a Grand Prix to slow things down a bit by eating into my time. Only the stores on their pylons to be added and the nose probe and that will be that  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 17, 2016, 06:30:41 am
Finished the build  :party: :cheers: :drink:

Just letting some varnish dry then its time for the beauty shots to be taken and posted to both this thread and the Finished thread in the Group Build.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना *Finished*!!
Post by: Gondor on April 17, 2016, 02:26:51 pm
OK, finished my second build for this Group build, in fact it's also the second model I have finished for a group build as well as far as I can remember, which is a bit dodgy at the moment  :-\

Anyway, picture time  ;D

To start off some "Dead Parrot" pictures as it was easier to take the pictures before I fitted the fin and it allowed a nice clear view of the underside too.

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6244_zpsjisfvgzq.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6244_zpsjisfvgzq.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6245_zpscxrs4rko.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6245_zpscxrs4rko.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6246_zps7hoyp1qq.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6246_zps7hoyp1qq.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6247_zpsdhaqlcfa.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6247_zpsdhaqlcfa.jpg.html)

Now several pictures of it up on its legs and showing off its plumage   :rolleyes:

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6249_zpsrnjhiilm.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6249_zpsrnjhiilm.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6250_zpsxxbh7lbx.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6250_zpsxxbh7lbx.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6251_zpsih7ndofg.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6251_zpsih7ndofg.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6252_zpsq0eajus5.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6252_zpsq0eajus5.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6253_zpsgwyn3jp8.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6253_zpsgwyn3jp8.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6254_zpshi7wznlf.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6254_zpshi7wznlf.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6255_zpse4h5ff6v.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6255_zpse4h5ff6v.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6256_zpsgt0w4g75.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6256_zpsgt0w4g75.jpg.html)

And lastly a shot of it on its intended display base which shows off the load in the weapons bay

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6257_zpsynpasum5.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6257_zpsynpasum5.jpg.html)

The build was mostly straight out of the box. The colour scheme for both the interior and exterior were updated to represent an aircraft from the 1970's and the operator was picked to be a little bit different but a probable uses as the Indian Air Force flew Canberra's.
The weapons came from a multitude of sources. The majority were from the 1980's version of the Jaguar by Airfix which also provided the under wing pylons and bomb beams. Some of the bombs in the weapons bay were also from the old Airfix Jaguar kit, the rest of the bombs in the weapons bay were from the Airfix Hawk kit of the save vintage as the Jaguar kit. The bombs under the wings were from Freightdog and were used as they were more streamlined than the older looking bombs I put inside the weapons bay. The Rocket pods are from a Dragon weapons set and are Soviet UB-16-57's with the decals from Model Alliance set MA-72143.

Back story

Bought to replace the ageing Canberra Interdiction aircraft it had been flying for nearly twenty years, the भारतीय वायु सेना or Indian Air Force initially purchased twenty refurbished early production TSR2 aircraft. These aircraft were followed by another twenty aircraft being assembled from components supplied by British Aircraft Corporation as part of a package that included local manufacture by हिंदुस्तान एरोनॉटिक्स लिमिटेड, otherwise known as Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, located in Bangalore.
As production of the contracted seventy five aircraft progressed, an ever increasing proportion of the aircraft and its systems were locally manufactured until the final aircraft were almost totally produced within India.
One of the most famous squadron to be formed on what was locally know as the भारतीय ईगल or Indian Eagle was number 5 Squadron based at Ambala Air Force Station where it had reformed after converting to the Indian Eagle in the late 1970's. This squadron was formed after India was given Independence as up to that point the Royal Air Force had their own 5 Squadron operating within the country and to avoid confusion the Indian Air Force did not form it's own 5 Squadron until the Royal Air Force had left India.

The aircraft depicted in this build is from the locally manufactured aircraft and is loaded for a typical interdiction mission, the threat of which has helped keep the peace in the region for some time with the Indian Eagle only ever using live weapons on the ranges and practice grounds.


Enjoy  ;D

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: DogfighterZen on April 17, 2016, 04:54:27 pm
Great work, looks very good! :thumbsup:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: zenrat on April 17, 2016, 09:19:26 pm
Ooooh yeah.  Very good.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: NARSES2 on April 18, 2016, 07:34:00 am
Come out well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Snowtrooper on April 18, 2016, 09:45:40 am
The TSR.2 is such a big bird that the SNEB pods look a little bit... undewhelming all alone in those pylons. Now, maybe if they were mounted in triplets on a TER (or whatever the British equivalent was called)... ;D

Nice work though, especially with the bomb bay.
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 18, 2016, 12:28:14 pm
The TSR.2 is such a big bird that the SNEB pods look a little bit... undewhelming all alone in those pylons. Now, maybe if they were mounted in triplets on a TER (or whatever the British equivalent was called)... ;D

Nice work though, especially with the bomb bay.

They are not SNEB pods. I will have to take a few more pictures to show up a few details I think as they are actually UB-16-57 rocket pods. I will update the build information to say so as well.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Snowtrooper on April 18, 2016, 01:14:21 pm
My bad - should have looked more carefully. Still looking the part. ;)
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 18, 2016, 01:38:17 pm
My bad - should have looked more carefully. Still looking the part. ;)

Not a problem as its partly my fault for concentrating on overall pictures of the model and not adding any detail pictures of such things.

Hopefully the following pictures will make up for my previous omissions.

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(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6269_zpszedvpokj.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6269_zpszedvpokj.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6270_zpsrodighds.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6270_zpsrodighds.jpg.html)

You can just make out the detail I added to the ejector seats as show in this picture

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6140_zpsv8qlnqr4.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6140_zpsv8qlnqr4.jpg.html)

(http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy47/Gondor44/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6268_zpszc2ijahu.jpg) (http://s776.photobucket.com/user/Gondor44/media/TSR2/Indian%20Eagle/Imgp6268_zpszc2ijahu.jpg.html)

Its a little difficult to see that detail, but I assure you that you can see it, admittedly the angle that the light is at is a little tricky because you normally get some glare off the canopy.

Gondor
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 18, 2016, 03:08:32 pm
Good job Alastair, knowing how much of a PAIN the TSR2 is to put together. And that scheme suits it really well too.  :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: Strength is Victory: भारतीय ईगल of भारतीय वायु सेना
Post by: Gondor on April 18, 2016, 03:23:52 pm
Good job Alastair, knowing how much of a PAIN the TSR2 is to put together. And that scheme suits it really well too.  :thumbsup: :bow:

Thanks Kit. I was getting despondent over it as it went together but its turned out nice as someone used to day. It's amazing what a coat of paint will hide and going through the build to the bitter end has taught me a lot about the fit of parts and where the problem areas are for the other eight I have in the stash.

Gondor