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GROUP BUILDS => The RAF Centenary Group Build => Topic started by: kitbasher on July 01, 2018, 02:01:27 am

Title: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: kitbasher on July 01, 2018, 02:01:27 am
Conversion of a Matchbox NF Meatbox into a single seater.  So how will that be a whiff?  Wait and see!

Bits in the box - it was bought as a part-build at the last ever Hendon model show for 1.  Some additional disassembly required - and there will be some chopping and changing.
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Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: NARSES2 on July 02, 2018, 02:45:22 am
at the last ever Hendon model show

Hopefully not
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on July 02, 2018, 02:49:23 am
... and there will be some chopping and changing.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1830/29257307168_2c3acdbb32.jpg)
 (https://flic.kr/p/Lznm7u)

Maybe an extended nose?  ;)
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: kitbasher on July 02, 2018, 01:21:35 pm
Maybe an extended nose?  ;)

You could say that.
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 02, 2018, 02:59:55 pm
Or even extended wings?

But who'd ever do that to a Meteor, eh?  ;)
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: rickshaw on July 02, 2018, 09:56:19 pm
Or even extended wings?

But who'd ever do that to a Meteor, eh?  ;)

Indeed, hey, Kit  ;)
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: kitbasher on July 14, 2018, 08:02:01 am
some nitty gritty work this morning:
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: kitbasher on July 29, 2018, 05:10:05 am
Where I am with the Meteor.  Some cockpit tidying up ahead of fitting the Aeroclub F.8 fuselage fairing.  That'll lead to plenty of filling and rubbing down ahead of fitting the wings and the tailplane, which will need to be prepped before fitting.

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Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: NARSES2 on July 29, 2018, 05:53:15 am
Good to see your making progress mate  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: The Wooksta! on July 29, 2018, 08:02:15 am
You may need to think about some transverse bulkheads inside the fuselage, because that plastic is really thin and the join line with the top can never be eliminated unless you do something to stiffen it.

I've fought that kit several times and I detest it with a passion.
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: kitbasher on July 29, 2018, 08:51:30 am
You may need to think about some transverse bulkheads inside the fuselage, because that plastic is really thin and the join line with the top can never be eliminated unless you do something to stiffen it.

I've fought that kit several times and I detest it with a passion.

Good tip Lee, tvm.
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: The Wooksta! on July 29, 2018, 12:23:39 pm
Had on - what you using for weapons?  There's a dirty geet radar nose so no guns there and you've deleted the wing armament. 

Ah - four cannon gunpack under the fuselage as the fuel goes in the space formerly occupied by teh radar gadgy?
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: kitbasher on August 05, 2018, 05:57:17 am
Some initial filling done, fitting the fuselage decking next.
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: kitbasher on August 27, 2018, 09:40:53 am
Cockpit decking fitted, filled and sanded.  Fin/rudder and one tailplane fitted, filled and sanded.  Wings all filled and sanded and one wing fitted, realised I'd missed some filling around one of the engines so filled (sanding to follow). Wingtips sorted.
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: kitbasher on September 06, 2018, 02:13:56 pm
Wings, tailplane, fin/rudder, etc, all sorted, fitted and PSR done.  Test fitting - Merlin ejection seat still fits nicely and the Merlin canopy does too.

Next up: tidy up the drop tanks and either build up a pair of PP Aeroparts Firestreaks or rob a pair from the Airfix Lightning F.2A that's down to have the Freightdog VG wings and a pair of Odds & Ordnance Genies fitted to it.  By 'eck, the old Airfix Lightning F.1A Firestreaks are weedy in comparison!

And yes, Firestreaks.  The Meatbox is going to be from the Guided Weapons Test Squadron, which in the real world trialled Fairey Fireflashes on Swift F.7s.  Fireflashes were also trialled on Woomera-based Meteors.  Firestreaks on the other hand were trialled on Sea Venoms and RAAF Sabres.
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: kitbasher on December 02, 2018, 01:29:03 am
Hurrah!  That's the Meteor essentially built, just need to finish painting and fitting the ejection seat and then of course the canopy before starting the main painting.  With the GB done there's no point in posting progress pics, it'll just be the final product.
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R) - FINALLY!
Post by: kitbasher on May 02, 2020, 07:11:56 am
A mere 18 months after the GB's extended deadline.....it's done!

In 1955, No 6 Joint Services Trials Unit was established at Valley as a lodger unit to undertake trials with the Fairey Fireflash air-to-air guided missile, which had first been test fired from Gloster Meteor NF.11s.  Meanwhile, the Firestreak missile (then code-named Blue Jay) was being tested, first launch taking place in 1955 from a de Havilland Sea Venom, the target drone - a Fairey Firefly - being destroyed. 
Intensive trials of the both missiles were required using single-seat aircraft, to be conducted with the redesignated No 1 Guided Weapons Development Squadron in 1957 with 10 modified Supermarine Swift F7s acting as Fireflash carriers.  The unit was also engaged on the trials programme of the Firestreak infra-red homing missile, using a mix of specially-modified Meteor F.8s and Javelins of various marks.
Not wanting to further modify Swifts, and with plenty of airframes available for modification, the Air Ministry modified 10 Meteor F.8s to F.8(R) standard, the (R) suffix referring to the Ferranti Airpass radars fitted to Meteors, in recovered/refurbished NF.11 nose sections.  The Meteor was a highly adaptable aircraft, the F.8(R) being no exception, the additional modification being the fitting of wingtip missile rails.  The first (WK988) was delivered from No 60 Maintenance Unit at RAF Leconfield in late 1956.  Unlike the Swifts which were delivered straight from Fairey, the reworked Meteors were delivered in 60 MU colours that were worn for the duration of the Meteor trials and would later be seen on several Lightning F.1s (e.g. XM144). 
While Fireflash was only ever used as a training missile, Firestreak entered operational service with the RAF and the Royal Navy in August 1958; it was the first effective British air-to-air missile and remained in use until 1988.

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The model depicts WK988 as delivered, with dummy Firestreaks attached. (https://flic.kr/p/2iWGvdS)
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 02, 2020, 07:15:16 am
Oh yes, I DO like that Dave!  :thumbsup:

Is it an F8 with an NF11 radome, or an NF11 with an F8 cockpit though?
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R) - FINALLY!
Post by: kitbasher on May 02, 2020, 07:22:13 am
Oh yes, I DO like that Dave!  :thumbsup:

Is it an F8 with an NF11 radome, or an NF11 with an F8 cockpit though?

an F8 with an NF11 radome, Kit.

although the build is actually a Matchbox Meteor NF with an Aeroclub F8/FR9 decking plus a Merlin F8 canopy (as it was the only one I had in my spares box apart from one with the solid rear end, which wouldn't be in keeping with the timeline).
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 02, 2020, 07:25:04 am
Hehehe, so you started with an NF11, converted it to an F8 and left the NF11 radome on it?  ;D

I like it, Whiffgeneering to the max!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: kitbasher on May 02, 2020, 07:28:24 am
Hehehe, so you started with an NF11, converted it to an F8 and left the NF11 radome on it?  ;D

Yup  ;D
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: Knightflyer on May 02, 2020, 08:30:05 am
A very smart looking finished product. Well done  ;D
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: NARSES2 on May 03, 2020, 06:16:02 am
A very smart looking finished product. Well done  ;D

Totally agree  :thumbsup:

If you'd like it moved to normal build thread let me know mate
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 03, 2020, 07:42:11 am
A two seater in a training/development role isn't too much of a stretch either.  Possibly NF14s but with bang seats too?
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: kitbasher on May 03, 2020, 09:43:18 am
A two seater in a training/development role isn't too much of a stretch either.  Possibly NF14s but with bang seats too?

I'm sure the Meteor T7 must have been a cheap as chips to build and operate as I've wondered why an NF14-based trainer as described by Lee never happened?

Now I've 2 Matchbox NFs in the stash (one as an 11, the other a 14), so if one were to be replaced by a Special Hobby NF.14, and assuming I can find a non-radar nose and get the right seats......
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 03, 2020, 10:16:07 am
T7s were all over the place in the day, every Meteor Squadron had a couple of them, and many were just around as Station hacks.

When I was at Benson the Ferry Training Flight had half a dozen T7s, and two T7.5s as well, plus the Station had four T7s just hanging around.  :o
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 03, 2020, 11:03:11 am
A two seater in a training/development role isn't too much of a stretch either.  Possibly NF14s but with bang seats too?

I'm sure the Meteor T7 must have been a cheap as chips to build and operate as I've wondered why an NF14-based trainer as described by Lee never happened?

Now I've 2 Matchbox NFs in the stash (one as an 11, the other a 14), so if one were to be replaced by a Special Hobby NF.14, and assuming I can find a non-radar nose and get the right seats......

I did an NF14 based trainer years back in an overall black scheme and FAA markings, but I doubt there's any photos on here.  IIRC, it was a straight Matchbox kit with an Airfix F3 nose and Aeroclub bang seats (apparently the NF14 was going to get them hence the revised canopy and the Treasury said the RAF couldn't have the cash.  There's a very subtle one - have I enough Matchbox bits? Edit - yes. Unfortunately.).

I meant a "straight" NF14, with the wingtip missiles and bang seats, possibly as a De Havilland development aircraft instead of the Venom that they did use.

Dave, use the Matchbox ones for whiffing and just get the new Special Hobby one for  the real thing.  That's what I'd do.  IIRC I might have the mould somewhere for a standard nose but I may have a gash fuselage kicking about too.  Yours if and when you want it. 

Edit: found a cast resin fighter nose that's of no use to me.  You may need to add a few shims of plastic card on the back but it's perfectly useable.  I did find a gash Airfix Meteor nose, but only one half...
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: kitbasher on May 10, 2020, 06:47:36 am
If you'd like it moved to normal build thread let me know mate

Very kind Chris but it can stay here.


I meant a "straight" NF14, with the wingtip missiles and bang seats, possibly as a De Havilland development aircraft instead of the Venom that they did use.

Dave, use the Matchbox ones for whiffing and just get the new Special Hobby one for the real thing.  That's what I'd do.  IIRC I might have the mould somewhere for a standard nose but I may have a gash fuselage kicking about too.  Yours if and when you want it. 

Edit: found a cast resin fighter nose that's of no use to me.  You may need to add a few shims of plastic card on the back but it's perfectly useable.  I did find a gash Airfix Meteor nose, but only one half...

Aah, all clear now, Lee.  Missile-armed NF14 Firestreak test-bed makes sense.  I think I may have a fighter nose available (or at least an FR9/PR10 nose that could be adapted.  Let me look.
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: sandiego89 on May 10, 2020, 01:57:28 pm
Great result!  glad you drug her out.  Three months, two/three years, what's the difference? - deadlines are flexible.....you don't work for government do you?  ;D

Nice job
Title: Re: Gloster Meteor F.8(R)
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on May 11, 2020, 01:09:18 pm
Subtle, smart & plausible - I like it! :thumbsup: