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Title: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: kitbasher on January 31, 2014, 04:57:16 AM
.....coming soon.
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 31, 2014, 05:01:06 AM
Uh, that sounds sexy!  :wub:
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: kitbasher on February 01, 2014, 03:24:07 AM
The Winter War  of 1939-1940 between the Soviet Union and Finland in 1939–1940 saw the Soviet Union seek to conquer (and in a sense recover) parts of Finland, which had been part of the Russian Empire as the Grand Duchy of Finland.  During the Russian Revolution and Russian Civil War of 1917–1920, Finland had become independent from Russia. The Soviet Union demanded amongst other concessions that Finland cede substantial border territories in exchange for land elsewhere, claiming security reasons, primarily the protection of Leningrad, which was only 40 km from the Finnish border.  Finland refused and the Soviet Union declared war.   At this time the Soviet Union established a Communist puppet government for Finland.

Finland repelled Soviet attacks for several months, much longer than the Soviets expected.  However, after reorganization and adoption of different tactics, the overwhelming numbers of Soviet forces overcame Finnish defences. Hostilities ceased in March 1940 with the signing of the Moscow Peace Treaty. Finland ceded territory representing 11% of its land area and 30% of its economy to the Soviet Union. While the Soviet Union did not conquer all Finland, Soviet gains somewhat exceeded their pre-war demands. They gained substantial territory along Lake Ladoga, providing a buffer for Leningrad, and territory in northern Finland.

The Continuation War between the two countries started on 22 June 1941, the day Germany launched its invasion of the Soviet Union. Open warfare began with a Soviet air offensive on 25 June. Subsequent Finnish operations undid its post Winter War concessions to the Soviet Union on the Karelian Isthmus and Ladoga Karelia, and captured East Karelia by September 1941. On the Karelian Isthmus, the Finns halted their offensive 30 km from Leningrad. Eventually, in summer 1944, the Soviet strategic offensive drove the Finns from most of the territories they had gained during the war, but the Finnish Army later fought the offensive to a standstill in July 1944.  A ceasefire ended hostilities on 5 September and was followed by the Moscow Armistice on 19 September, by which time Commander-in-Chief of Finland's Defence Forces Baron Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim succeeded Risto Ryti as President of Finland.

The 1947 Paris Peace Treaty concluded the war formally, although Mannerheim had already (in 1946) resigned as President.  Finland ceded Petsamo Province to the Soviets, leased Porkkala peninsula to them, and paid reparations. While retaining its independence, the Moscow Treaty obliged Finland to adopt a strict code of neutrality, limit the size of its armed forces, and for these to be equipped solely for defensive purposes. Finland recognized that the Soviet Union was unlikely to be satisfied with the Finnish territorial concessions as a means to increase its security.  Recently released documents reveal that Moscow saw the control of Finland also as ultimately being necessary. Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov reputedly told his Lithuanian counterpart at the time Lithuania was effectively absorbed into the USSR, "Small states will disappear...Baltic states, including Finland, will be included within the honourable family of Soviet peoples."

While Finland avoided 'liberation' by the Red Army, even before the Paris Peace Treaty the Soviets actively encouraged the rise of the Finnish Communist Party.  In the 1947 parliamentary election, the Communist Party of Finland made impressive gains in the territories abutting those lost to the Soviet Union.  In February 1948 Mannerheim's successor, Juho Kusti Paasikivi, was assassinated and the Communists seized power. Meanwhile Mannerheim, who at the time of the coup was visiting Finland following treatment in Switzerland for a perforated peptic ulcer and duodenal ulcer, was arrested and in March 1948 executed.

So the Communist takeover was complete, achieving what years of war had failed to do.  On 14 May 1955 Finland was a signatory of the Treaty of Friendship, Co-operation, and Mutual Assistance, more commonly known as the Warsaw Pact.
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: kitbasher on February 02, 2014, 03:30:07 AM
The Sukhoi Su-25 (NATO reporting name: "Frogfoot") is a single-seat, twin-engine jet aircraft developed in the Soviet Union by the Sukhoi Design Bureau. It was designed to provide close air support for the Soviet Ground Forces. The first prototype made its maiden flight on 22 February 1975. After testing, the aircraft went into series production in 1978 at Tbilisi in the Soviet Republic of Georgia. Russian air and ground forces nicknamed it "Grach" ("Rook").

Finland was the fourth Warsaw Pact country to obtain the Su-25, acquiring the first of 50 examples of both Su-25K and the Su-25UBK in 1986. The aircraft replaced the obsolete MiG-17F Fresco-C which had been the backbone of the Finnish Air Force fighter-bomber fleet for many years.
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: Captain Canada on February 02, 2014, 07:18:07 PM
This is gonna be sweet. Is the Finnish roundel going to be the same ? Would look great on a winter based camo a/c ( like the Frogfoot ) :cheers: :tornado:
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: kitbasher on February 03, 2014, 01:08:04 AM
Looks like a bit if expectation management will be needed here!

Yes Captain, roundels will remain the same. But winter camouflage? Hadn't thought about that, probably not at the moment but let's see how things progress.
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: Army of One on February 08, 2014, 01:16:57 PM
Oh....looking forward to this...... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: kitbasher on May 08, 2014, 01:23:47 PM
Possible change of plan.  The Finnish markings that I thought should fit are too big, so it may become a French Frogfoot (the French Communist party seized power in the June 1968 coup that followed the May '68 civil unrest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1968_events_in_France)).

I've the right sized markings (but if I get the right Finnish markings I'll stick with Plan A).
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: Leading Observer on May 08, 2014, 03:22:18 PM
Stick with plan A :thumbsup:
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: kitbasher on May 11, 2014, 10:17:13 AM
OK Plan A is still on, courtesy of an Academy MiG-21.  That will get the French markings!

Maybe.  ;)
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: kitbasher on June 22, 2014, 10:46:09 AM
Now that I have a temporary modelling man cave (TMMC) I've taken 10 minutes out to assemble the underwing stores.  Hilarious bombs that look like old style British letterboxes with fins!  To be fair I've seen pictures of the real things that do look like dustbins.  I'd toyed in the past with the idea of the RAF operating them post fall of the Berlin Wall as a cheap alternative to the A-10.  Western avionics and weapons, of course.  And because we Brits like to re-engine things then perhaps a couple of Adours?

The Frogfoot's no looker but if someone presented me with a decent 1/72 kit I think I'd actually enjoy building another.  But not a second Maquette kit though.
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: kitbasher on June 29, 2014, 03:15:07 AM
PSR is essentially complete.  Stores pylons attached.

Need to tidy up and fit the bang seat, attach aerials, clean up and paint stores, prime airframe and paint the undercarriage next.

As it's OOB apart from the paint job and markings I'll only post up pictures of the Finnished item.

As I think I've mentioned on my blog, the Maquette kit isn't the best in the world - quite an oddity actually in quality terms - but I am enjoying the build, despite the slow progress.

Two more Soviet-themed builds to come (neither are started, and one involves a bit of recycling), but neither in Russian markings.
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: kitbasher on July 26, 2014, 11:07:48 AM
The Frogfoot is essentially assembled. 
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: kitbasher on July 27, 2014, 05:30:47 AM
Thankfully the canopy appears to have set in the right position.  A fair amount of gap filling with Krystal Klear has been necessary though.  Took the precaution of masking the framework before KKing, though.

Main wheels tidied up and fitted.  Nosewheel needs a bit more tidying up paint-wise.

Most of the first of the greens (Humbrol 150) has been applied to the upper surfaces.  I'm taking the classic Finnish MiG-21 green and black scheme as my inspiration.  Won't be using black though, rather a mix of a very dark green and a very dark brown with probably a dash of black for the contrasting colour.  The difference in colour won't be so dark and will be closer to the sort of weathered colour seen in several photos on the internet, e.g.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21_operators#mediaviewer/File:MiG-21_bis_MG-127.JPG and http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/689/MIG-21_-_6.jpg
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: kitbasher on July 30, 2014, 08:24:53 AM
Painting almost done, but not progressing quickly enough with the stores.   :banghead:
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: kitbasher on August 01, 2014, 10:25:05 AM
And done (apart from the stores).  Photos at the weekend.
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: NARSES2 on August 02, 2014, 04:42:45 AM
I've seen a sneak pic and she looks good  :thumbsup:
Title: FINNISH FROGFOOT: finally finished
Post by: kitbasher on August 03, 2014, 02:27:20 PM
Back from Mum's so first job - photograph, upload and post Frogfoot pics.

Colour scheme is adapted from the later Finnish MiG-21 colours.  A camouflaged Il-28 would have made a great template, but as far as I can tell all were left in natural metal whilst in Finnish service.  Spotted some very nice whif profiles of camo'd Finnish Il-28 elsewhere on the forum.

Markings came from an Academy MiG-21PF which I'd hoped to maybe pop off in French colours, but that didn't happen (hell, just getting this one done has been a race!), but now I'm wondering about a 'mirror world' where NATO has the Soviet stuff, WarPac has the western stuff and the RAF has two squadrons of Fishbeds at Gutersloh instead of Lightnings!  MiG-21PF with Firestreaks (natural metal finish, of course) in lieu of Lightning F.2s (the PFMs would be the F.2A equivalent).  Now, 92 Sqn with the blue fin or 19 Sqn with blue chequer boards?  Anyway, I digress.

Serials I thought would be easy (Modeldecal stock); wanted the serial to be in the 'SK' range, which would follow the finnish style of serialling.  Unfortunately the cupboard was bare in 12" letters, so the 'S' came from an old Airfix Viggen decal sheet, the '-30' from an old Matchbox Hawk kit, and in the absence of 'K's I had to make do with a 'U'.

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi240.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff90%2Fkitbasher_2007%2FSu-25%2520Frogfoot%2FFrogfoot02_zps849dee2e.jpg&hash=24d7874408b603ed8f74de02dccf4b3a6bd67902) (http://s240.photobucket.com/user/kitbasher_2007/media/Su-25%20Frogfoot/Frogfoot02_zps849dee2e.jpg.html)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi240.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff90%2Fkitbasher_2007%2FSu-25%2520Frogfoot%2FFrogfoot03_zpsaba2cdb7.jpg&hash=11ae27a70d3407c322d5f52561dd11085a016cf4) (http://s240.photobucket.com/user/kitbasher_2007/media/Su-25%20Frogfoot/Frogfoot03_zpsaba2cdb7.jpg.html)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi240.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff90%2Fkitbasher_2007%2FSu-25%2520Frogfoot%2FFrogfoot05_zps165a8ec3.jpg&hash=d14c264be80a883076919c53d714b6b495a78813) (http://s240.photobucket.com/user/kitbasher_2007/media/Su-25%20Frogfoot/Frogfoot05_zps165a8ec3.jpg.html)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi240.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff90%2Fkitbasher_2007%2FSu-25%2520Frogfoot%2FFrogfoot06_zps07316c1f.jpg&hash=c5b46de4befc1d9dafc46b7274b4cb1fae085610) (http://s240.photobucket.com/user/kitbasher_2007/media/Su-25%20Frogfoot/Frogfoot06_zps07316c1f.jpg.html)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi240.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff90%2Fkitbasher_2007%2FSu-25%2520Frogfoot%2FFrogfoot07_zps0b1f5323.jpg&hash=e8fbdaab0ada95284e6a75f8bc7e5b9081aae872) (http://s240.photobucket.com/user/kitbasher_2007/media/Su-25%20Frogfoot/Frogfoot07_zps0b1f5323.jpg.html)

Looks rather bare not tooled up but weaponry will follow in due course and I'll post shots of it when the stores have been added.

While I like the idea of building another Frogfoot (real world), I wouldn't fight a Maquette Frogfoot in a hurry!  It would have to be the Revell Frogfoot (http://www.modellversium.de/kit/artikel.php?id=3056), which looks far superior to the Zvezda kit (which I think was once boxed by Italeri), which looks like a refined version of the Maquette kit.  Or of course the Maquette kit is a poor copy of the Zvezda kit).
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: NARSES2 on August 04, 2014, 12:55:06 AM
That's come out really well Dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: Dizzyfugu on August 04, 2014, 09:57:49 AM
That's pretty!  :wub:

But -honestly - ANYTHING looks cool in Finnish colors and markings...  ;)
Great idea and result, nevertheless.  :thumbsup:

BTW: that Revell kit looks like a reboxing of the Tsukuda Hobby kit (which was released by Revell before in the markings of the pre-production aircrfat that appeared in Le Bourget, "301 Blue", and in Czech markings). While the kit goes together well it is utterly wrong, it is much too delicate and slender for a "real" Su-25.

A VERY good kit is the new ART Model offering; a bit pricey and contains resin parts, but it is the best Su-25 I have come across, and you get one- and two-seaters, IIRC there are three or even four Su-25 kits to chose from.
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: kitbasher on August 04, 2014, 10:23:36 AM
Thanks for the praise and the pointers concerning the ART Model kit. S*d's Law meant I found on the Hannants website after I'd posted the pictures! C'est la vie.  :banghead:
Title: Re: FINNISH FROGFOOT
Post by: McGreig on August 09, 2014, 10:55:24 AM
That looks excellent - definitely a "should have been"  :thumbsup:

For what it's worth, the Maquette kit is a copy of the KP kit which, although old, was still the best SU-25 until the advent of the Art Model kits.