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Re: The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion
« Reply #60 on: June 21, 2019, 01:45:25 pm »
I'm reading a BAe 146 bookazine at the moment. One of the 146-200s used by Aviacsa (Mexico) had a damaged engine. The engine was removed for a 3-engine ferry flight into the USA for repairs. BAe test pilot Dan Gurney flew the aircraft. He said, 'the first time I saw the aircraft it had a cardboard missile stuck on the empty pylon'  :wacko:

No photo unfortunately.

The 146 has three flap fairings, the inner two of which blend into the pylons. When I worked at Woodford, I often used to daydream about fitting a third pylon in front of the outboard flap-track fairing and hanging a couple of Sea Skuas on it, with a Seaspray radar in the nose (plenty of room) to guide them.
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Re: The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion
« Reply #61 on: June 21, 2019, 01:52:07 pm »
No saying I'm going to do this, but...

There was a scheme put forward to replace the Space Shuttle's Solid Rocket Boosters with liquid fuelled ones, each being equipped with two F1 (Saturn V 1st stage) engines running RP-1 (kerosene) and liquid oxygen. That would raise the total number of engines in the launch stack from five to seven, even though the Shuttle would be unaltered. Am I right in thinking that this would count, even though the change is to the 'strap-on & fall-off' boosters rather than the actual spaceplane? After all, it's not as if the Shuttle could do anything without the boosters, so they were a pretty integral part of the system.
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Re: The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion
« Reply #62 on: June 21, 2019, 03:03:41 pm »
I think that'd be OK, the boosters were an integral part of the 'spaceframe' after all.

Should I put this forward for joint moderator consideration?
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Re: The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion
« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2019, 06:29:54 pm »
I think that'd be OK, the boosters were an integral part of the 'spaceframe' after all.

Should I put this forward for joint moderator consideration?

Sounds fine to me.
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Re: The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion
« Reply #64 on: June 21, 2019, 09:43:52 pm »
I think that'd be OK, the boosters were an integral part of the 'spaceframe' after all.

Should I put this forward for joint moderator consideration?

Sounds fine to me.

Cheers Kit and Rickshaw  :thumbsup:

I put this idea up as a hypothetical, but I've just being looking at bits and there might be an easy way to do it IF it's a truly whiffy mod to the original Shuttle, not the actual proposals, which were modifications offered in the late 1980s (post-Challenger) and 2010s (for SLS). I'd need a second Airfix Saturn V Skylab kit though, which is damned annoying since I used to have three, but sold two while I was out of work... :banghead:

The proposed boosters were 18ft in diameter and used F-1B engines, which were a simplified and improved version that would have looked quite different to an original F-1 externally. The Airfix Saturn V Skylab kit has enough third stage parts (Skylab + Apollo) to build a booster of the right length, but it would be 21.7ft in diameter and use original F-1 engines, hence the need to make it a 1970s project.
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Re: The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion
« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2019, 01:48:47 am »

We have some coverage for aircraft and land vehicles. What can we do about floaty things? Does a mast on a sail ship count as an engine?   :wacko:


Good question, but I think it probably does. Whether EACH mast counts as an individual engine I'm not sure, but the mods will deliberate on the matter.

Are you thinking of an America's Cup J class schooner maybe?  ;D

Just a random thought that popped to my mind while typing - but I guess that was the general idea.
... Or remove engine(s) from something and add sails.


You're good to go with the added or deleted sails idea.  :thumbsup:
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Re: The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion
« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2019, 03:43:40 am »
I did a bit of rummaging in my stash today and a twin engined Gazelle would be a fairly simple kitbash using the Airfix 1/72 along with the engines from the Italeri/Tamiya Augusta A129 Mangusta.
It would take power from 450 kw to 1300 kw so would see a slight performance increase.

Going on recent performance I won't get to this during the GB so if anyone else wants to jump in and build one don't stand on ceremony.
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Re: The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion
« Reply #67 on: June 23, 2019, 03:05:05 pm »
A tri-motor P-38 is a natural, the third mounted as a pusher in an extended
centre nacelle.
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Re: The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion
« Reply #68 on: June 23, 2019, 10:09:49 pm »
A tri-motor P-38 is a natural, the third mounted as a pusher in an extended
centre nacelle.
Of course, I'm sure Tophe has already drawn it.  :thumbsup:

You could do the same with a pusher radial on a P-61 Black Widow, a Fokker G.I.

Fit a large pusher engine to an Fw.189, then remove the original Argus engines and replace them with heavy-calibre cannons.
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Re: The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion
« Reply #69 on: June 24, 2019, 10:07:38 am »
Fit a large pusher engine to an Fw.189, then remove the original Argus engines and replace them with heavy-calibre cannons.

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Use an Fw 189B and you could also have a heavy nose armament, or radar.  :thumbsup:


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Re: The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion
« Reply #70 on: June 24, 2019, 10:24:28 am »
Fit a large pusher engine to an Fw.189, then remove the original Argus engines and replace them with heavy-calibre cannons.

 :thumbsup:

Use an Fw 189B and you could also have a heavy nose armament, or radar.  :thumbsup:


MPM did a kit of the -B too...

There were a small number of A-1s actually fitted with FuG-212 Lichtenstein C-1 radar and a single schrage musik-style MG.151 cannon in order to counter slow-flying night-harassment raids by Po-2s and the like on the Eastern Front. You might therefore imagine a B as an improved night-fighter, fitted with centimetric radar in a radome.
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Re: The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion
« Reply #71 on: June 24, 2019, 10:56:11 am »
Or a ground attack type with a heavy multigun nose along the lines of the US gun-nose B-25 and A-26.
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Re: The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion
« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2019, 04:53:32 am »
I've been doing some rummaging.  I have an AMT 1/25 '65 El Camino and an AMT Parts Pack Pontiac SD421 engine.  Normally i'd swap the Elky's small block for the Poncho.  However, given the rules of this GB...
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Some research.  This is Blo Bak.  Street Machine Magzine's first Street Machine of the Year in 1988.  Note that i am not planning to build a model of this vehicle (that would not be a whiff) but post these to show it has been done and to give a vague idea of what I am looking at.





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Re: The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion
« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2019, 07:33:48 am »
There ain't no substitute for cubic inches!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion
« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2019, 10:14:58 am »
“No replacement for Displacement” is how the US hot rodders put it.
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