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GROUP BUILDS => 2015 Group Builds => The Knackers Yard => The Cold War GB => Topic started by: NARSES2 on December 16, 2015, 02:47:21 AM

Title: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: NARSES2 on December 16, 2015, 02:47:21 AM
Right here are Cold War GB rules which hopefully the maximum number of people have seen and already and we can go ahead with them as is.

The Moderators for this GB will be Weaver and Crudebuteffective, thanks gents  :thumbsup:

I will set the actual GB thread up nearer the start date once we have agreed a set of rules.

Chris

Proposed rules :

1. The GB runs from the 2nd January 2016 till midnight of 3rd April 2016 . Extensions may well be considered dependent on the bribe amount.

EDIT:
An extension of two weeks has been granted.
The GB will now finish at midnight on Sunday 17th April 2016.
 
2.  The GB covers the period from 5/3/1946 (Churchill's Iron Curtain speech) until 9/11/89 (the fall of the Berlin Wall)

3. You can choose to depict any real nation or alliance of nations which existed during the real Cold War (including neutral countries that were affected by it but not part of either bloc). Alternatively, you can choose to depict any fictional nation/alliance your imagination can come up with, as long as it falls within the broad theme of a global capitalist vs communist confrontation that lasts from the end of WWII until the early 1990s.

4. The GB welcomes models, profiles and stories and anything else your fertile minds can think of.

5. Models already started are allowed as long as major building work has not started before the GB begins.

6. There is no rule 6, never EVER ask about rule 6

7. Finished models and profiles to be posted (with picture and link to build thread) in the finished builds thread within the overall GB thread in this Board. Please do not post comments in the finished builds thread.

8.  Have FUN  

9. If you want to comment on a build profile/model, please do that in the model/profile threads and NOT in the completed build/profiles threads, if a comment is made in the completed build threads, they will be moved by the mods.

10. Please remember that our two moderators need to communicate so on occasions they may have to consult with each other before answering your questions. So please allow them 18/24 hours or so.

11. Next GB will be the One Week Build, but we will have the 2016 Poll in early 2016
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: rickshaw on December 16, 2015, 03:58:25 AM
Looks good to me, Chris.
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Spey_Phantom on December 16, 2015, 04:22:10 AM
seems good to me  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: sandiego89 on December 16, 2015, 04:38:39 AM
Sounds quite reasonable. Personally I would leave out fictional countries, but not a big deal. Leaves plenty of space for creativity.
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Bungle on December 16, 2015, 05:05:34 AM
Not sure about Rule 6.
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Weaver on December 16, 2015, 08:11:57 AM
Quote from: Bungle on December 16, 2015, 05:05:34 AM
Not sure about Rule 6.

Good.
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Librarian on December 16, 2015, 09:18:23 AM
Time to bring back "The Volgans" (Battle Action comic, I think)...having failed miserably on the latest GB I'd like to get my modelling mojo back up and running.
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: The Chaos on December 16, 2015, 09:19:26 AM
I think i build for the GB a Nimrod AW 3 in 1/72.  ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Steel Penguin on December 16, 2015, 11:24:59 AM
Librarian,  Dronbrey jump jets ?  ( I caught a few of the tales from Eagle where Bill Savage was fighting the Volgans)

oh poot this sooo calls to me, ive a AAA Challenger 1 ( GAU_8)  and several ideas beyond that...  But no photo site  :angry:
this may be the techno staw that  gets me to get one.
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Librarian on December 16, 2015, 12:24:37 PM
Quote from: Steel Penguin on December 16, 2015, 11:24:59 AM
Librarian,  Dronbrey jump jets ?  ( I caught a few of the tales from Eagle where Bill Savage was fighting the Volgans)

oh poot this sooo calls to me, ive a AAA Challenger 1 ( GAU_8)  and several ideas beyond that...  But no photo site  :angry:
this may be the techno staw that  gets me to get one.

I've had a Google and I believe they were in 2000AD but just so long ago my memory fails me...I just love the name, stayed with me, and a possible Cold War country ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Steel Penguin on December 16, 2015, 01:51:49 PM
they must have appeared there as well, as I remember the ABC warriors fought them,  but they certainly show up in my 1979 Dan Dare album which im sure was an eagle spin off.  ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Librarian on December 16, 2015, 04:09:09 PM
Maybe this should be on a new thread but I found this Wiki entry..really opens up the whole CW possibilities:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volgans

Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: rickshaw on December 16, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: Bungle on December 16, 2015, 05:05:34 AM
Not sure about Rule 6.

You know you're not allowed to mention that rule!  There is always one!  Sheesh!  Get into line!   :banghead: :banghead:

I have a couple of potential builds I am considering.  ;)
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: major on December 16, 2015, 06:05:05 PM
Anybody remember the storyline from this? ;D

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1328.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw539%2FMajor1356%2F3101852-warlord5031984pagecover%25201_zpswtptzojb.jpg&hash=a875336e32d41284b42bf5cf34bbf9687c608dd0) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/Major1356/media/3101852-warlord5031984pagecover%201_zpswtptzojb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Weaver on December 17, 2015, 12:27:36 AM
Quote from: major on December 16, 2015, 06:05:05 PM
Anybody remember the storyline from this? ;D

Yep - used to get Warlord at that time. There were two series IIRC:

First series was set in Europe in WWIII.

Second series (post '82, funnily enough) the Harrier Squadron was based on a covert light aircraft carrier made from a container ship, and were fighting to retake some small islands that had been invaded by some 'Soviet allies' who looked Chinese/Japanese (?).


There were all kinds of unlikely/impossible stunts by the Harriers: the writers clearly hadn't looked too deeply into what they can and can't do (or just didn't care). ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: NARSES2 on December 17, 2015, 12:59:59 AM
Well I'll not only be building outside my usual period but also outside my usual scale  :blink: If it doesn't have wings then I'm in deep dooh-dah  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 17, 2015, 01:14:14 AM
Nice, thank you very much!  :thumbsup:

And no limit on the number of submissions...  :wacko:
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: zenrat on December 17, 2015, 01:32:43 AM
I have a long planned Big Job which will fit perfectly into this GB.  Plus a plentiful supply of smaller soviets to keep me busy.

Can't wait.
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 17, 2015, 08:33:51 AM
Quote from: Weaver on December 17, 2015, 12:27:36 AM

There were all kinds of unlikely/impossible stunts by the Harriers: the writers clearly hadn't looked too deeply into what they can and can't do (or just didn't care). ;D


I looked at that pic somewhat askance too but came to the conclusion he's actually VIFFing sideways to the right in the pic, and it's actually a great piece of deflection shooting.                                                           Yeah, right!  ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: scooter on December 17, 2015, 09:04:40 AM
I think I have a couple of ideas percolating...including one from the "Never Retired" theme build that I never got off the ground.
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Librarian on December 17, 2015, 11:04:06 AM
Gonna keep it really simple, maybe something with Skyhawks and/or Skywarriors. Just adore Heinemann designs and haven't built any for years. RAF wraparound camo is a definite although a possible Swedish a/c with splinter is tempting.
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: sandiego89 on December 17, 2015, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 17, 2015, 08:33:51 AM
Quote from: Weaver on December 17, 2015, 12:27:36 AM

There were all kinds of unlikely/impossible stunts by the Harriers: the writers clearly hadn't looked too deeply into what they can and can't do (or just didn't care). ;D


I looked at that pic somewhat askance too but came to the conclusion he's actually VIFFing sideways to the right in the pic, and it's actually a great piece of deflection shooting.                                                           Yeah, right!  ;D

I too thought our intreped GR.3 pilot had a serious case of target fixation...... :o

I'm in for the Cold War build- poor prop job sits in her box with no way knowing the task which awaits her.  More thoughts in the head but will not get my hopes up, I'm lucky if I can crank one off the bench. 
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: kitbasher on December 17, 2015, 02:21:38 PM
Genie-armed VG EE Lightning F7.

Possibly.

Might be an F3 with Genies.
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Army of One on December 17, 2015, 02:45:03 PM
Yup.......Volgans in 2000AD.....I remember the storyline........I thoughtbthe Harriers were part of Holocaust Squadron in Warlord.....oh well......
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Weaver on December 18, 2015, 01:44:09 AM
Quote from: Army of One on December 17, 2015, 02:45:03 PM
Yup.......Volgans in 2000AD.....I remember the storyline........I thoughtbthe Harriers were part of Holocaust Squadron in Warlord.....oh well......

They were: I think they changed the title from Holocaust Squadron to Harrier Squadron for the second series.
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 18, 2015, 02:20:27 AM
Hmmm, browsed through the project list and kit stash, and came up with four serious contenders (1 USAF, 3 Soviet things), all of them involve major surgery...  ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Army of One on December 18, 2015, 02:57:31 AM
Nurse.....pass the razor saw and mix some putty........ ;)
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: kitbasher on December 18, 2015, 05:29:23 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on December 17, 2015, 02:21:38 PM
Genie-armed VG EE Lightning F7.

Possibly.

Might be an F3 with Genies.

Although it might be piston-engined.
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Weaver on December 18, 2015, 05:44:18 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on December 18, 2015, 05:29:23 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on December 17, 2015, 02:21:38 PM
Genie-armed VG EE Lightning F7.

Possibly.

Might be an F3 with Genies.

Although it might be piston-engined.

Will the engines still be vertically superimposed?
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 18, 2015, 06:32:56 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on December 18, 2015, 05:29:23 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on December 17, 2015, 02:21:38 PM
Genie-armed VG EE Lightning F7.

Possibly.

Might be an F3 with Genies.

Although it might be piston-engined.

Now that's going to make for some 'interesting' propeller arrangements...........  :unsure:
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Nick on December 18, 2015, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: Army of One on December 17, 2015, 02:45:03 PM
Yup.......Volgans in 2000AD.....I remember the storyline........I thoughtbthe Harriers were part of Holocaust Squadron in Warlord.....oh well......

You can get the full Volgan story in one book http://www.amazon.co.uk/Invasion-Pat-Mills/dp/1905437269
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Army of One on December 18, 2015, 02:52:54 PM
Oh wow.........i may have to invest in that.......cheers Nick.......
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: zenrat on December 18, 2015, 08:19:36 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 18, 2015, 06:32:56 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on December 18, 2015, 05:29:23 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on December 17, 2015, 02:21:38 PM
Genie-armed VG EE Lightning F7.

Possibly.

Might be an F3 with Genies.

Although it might be piston-engined.

Now that's going to make for some 'interesting' propeller arrangements...........  :unsure:

One at the front and one at the back...
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: kitbasher on December 19, 2015, 03:56:22 AM
Quote from: zenrat on December 18, 2015, 08:19:36 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 18, 2015, 06:32:56 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on December 18, 2015, 05:29:23 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on December 17, 2015, 02:21:38 PM
Genie-armed VG EE Lightning F7.

Possibly.

Might be an F3 with Genies.

Although it might be piston-engined.

Now that's going to make for some 'interesting' propeller arrangements...........  :unsure:

One at the front and one at the back...

No, sorry. I meant it might be a piston aircraft not a piston VG EE Lightning.
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: NARSES2 on December 20, 2015, 06:38:11 AM
Right lads as it looks as though the rules are ok for everyone I will set up the GB's threads and move this over in the coming week. I will also invest the Mod's with their "powers" at the same time - doesn't hurt, much, lads  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 20, 2015, 10:44:15 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 20, 2015, 06:38:11 AM
I will also invest the Mod's with their "powers" at the same time - doesn't hurt, much, lads  :rolleyes:

Don't believe a word he says!  :o
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Geoff on December 23, 2015, 03:18:31 AM
Ok may be a silly question :rolleyes: - I have been planning a build for a while based on a pre-production version of the Mig-21R.
I am about to start this at long last and it might fit into this; there is no evidence that the Soviets did there usual squadron strength operational trials before putting the final version of the aircraft, the first of the 3rd generation -21s into service. So would a version of the pre-proddy plane fit the rules? Not sure this is making sense or is waffle! :banghead:
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: Weaver on December 23, 2015, 08:27:52 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 20, 2015, 10:44:15 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 20, 2015, 06:38:11 AM
I will also invest the Mod's with their "powers" at the same time - doesn't hurt, much, lads  :rolleyes:

Don't believe a word he says!  :o

Well I've been invested and I'm still standing.

Come to think of it though, I'm only standing...... :blink:
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Weaver on December 23, 2015, 08:29:56 AM
Quote from: Geoff on December 23, 2015, 03:18:31 AM
Ok may be a silly question :rolleyes: - I have been planning a build for a while based on a pre-production version of the Mig-21R.
I am about to start this at long last and it might fit into this; there is no evidence that the Soviets did there usual squadron strength operational trials before putting the final version of the aircraft, the first of the 3rd generation -21s into service. So would a version of the pre-proddy plane fit the rules? Not sure this is making sense or is waffle! :banghead:

That sounds fine to me: one of those Wooksterish subtle whiffs that has everybody scratching their heads to figure out what's 'wrong' about it..... :wacko:
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Geoff on December 23, 2015, 08:34:08 AM
Quote from: Weaver on December 23, 2015, 08:29:56 AM
Quote from: Geoff on December 23, 2015, 03:18:31 AM
Ok may be a silly question :rolleyes: - I have been planning a build for a while based on a pre-production version of the Mig-21R.
I am about to start this at long last and it might fit into this; there is no evidence that the Soviets did there usual squadron strength operational trials before putting the final version of the aircraft, the first of the 3rd generation -21s into service. So would a version of the pre-proddy plane fit the rules? Not sure this is making sense or is waffle! :banghead:

That sounds fine to me: one of those Wooksterish subtle whiffs that has everybody scratching their heads to figure out what's 'wrong' about it..... :wacko:

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Mossie on December 23, 2015, 12:53:47 PM
Just a suggestion, I've always felt that the Cold War ended in '91 with the collapse of the Soviet Union.  I know it's a point that can be debated and I'm not worried about it.

Just hope I can join in, I've got a busy period of work coming (may last years :blink:).  I've got a grand plan involving rockets and sunshine, otherwise I might do something a bit less intensive.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Weaver on December 23, 2015, 01:08:17 PM
Quote from: Mossie on December 23, 2015, 12:53:47 PM
Just a suggestion, I've always felt that the Cold War ended in '91 with the collapse of the Soviet Union.  I know it's a point that can be debated and I'm not worried about it.

Just hope I can join in, I've got a busy period of work coming (may last years :blink:).  I've got a grand plan involving rockets and sunshine, otherwise I might do something a bit less intensive.

I think Rule #3 gives you so much scope for interpretation that it'd be silly to argue against something just 'cos it dates from 1991 not 1989.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: crudebuteffective on December 23, 2015, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: Weaver on December 23, 2015, 01:08:17 PM
Quote from: Mossie on December 23, 2015, 12:53:47 PM
Just a suggestion, I've always felt that the Cold War ended in '91 with the collapse of the Soviet Union.  I know it's a point that can be debated and I'm not worried about it.

Just hope I can join in, I've got a busy period of work coming (may last years :blink:).  I've got a grand plan involving rockets and sunshine, otherwise I might do something a bit less intensive.

I think Rule #3 gives you so much scope for interpretation that it'd be silly to argue against something just 'cos it dates from 1991 not 1989.

I was stationed in Berlin in 1991 and there was plenty of the wall still in place so i dont think we will argue about the date

CBE
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Captain Canada on December 25, 2015, 05:34:15 AM
Excellent !

:tornado:
Title: Re: Cold War GB proposed rules
Post by: rickshaw on December 28, 2015, 12:59:52 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 20, 2015, 10:44:15 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 20, 2015, 06:38:11 AM
I will also invest the Mod's with their "powers" at the same time - doesn't hurt, much, lads  :rolleyes:

Don't believe a word he says!  :o

I was limping for weeks!   :o ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Librarian on December 29, 2015, 02:25:07 PM
Would the slight warm front known as the Vietnam War be a legal part of the Cold War...corrupt capitalism versus galloping communism etc etc...and allowed within the framework of this GB? I'd like to put together a few kits so the wider the scope the better.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Thorvic on December 29, 2015, 11:52:02 PM
Could I suggest we extend the date to the 3rd of April as thats when the Shropshire Model Show is at RAF Cosford when were next to the Cold War Museum ?
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: NARSES2 on December 30, 2015, 03:00:03 AM
By the time we get the inevitable extension it will do anyway  ;D

If the Mods are happy though, no reason why we can't although it only really effects the UK based lads
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: sandiego89 on December 30, 2015, 03:17:01 AM
Quote from: Librarian on December 29, 2015, 02:25:07 PM
Would the slight warm front known as the Vietnam War be a legal part of the Cold War...corrupt capitalism versus galloping communism etc etc...and allowed within the framework of this GB?

I am not a moderator, but Vietnam seems to fit in just fine with rule 3.....
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Gondor on December 30, 2015, 09:58:27 AM
Quote from: sandiego89 on December 30, 2015, 03:17:01 AM
Quote from: Librarian on December 29, 2015, 02:25:07 PM
Would the slight warm front known as the Vietnam War be a legal part of the Cold War...corrupt capitalism versus galloping communism etc etc...and allowed within the framework of this GB?

I am not a moderator, but Vietnam seems to fit in just fine with rule 3.....

I am thinking that India would fit in under that rule too as I have a few ideas

Gondor
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: kitbasher on December 30, 2015, 10:16:13 AM
Quote from: Librarian on December 29, 2015, 02:25:07 PM
Would the slight warm front known as the Vietnam War be a legal part of the Cold War...corrupt capitalism versus galloping communism etc etc...and allowed within the framework of this GB? I'd like to put together a few kits so the wider the scope the better.

One of the many regional wars that typified the Cold War.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 30, 2015, 10:26:19 AM
Personally, I would not interpret the Cold War too tightly, just to weiden the scope of things to submit. It is an era that engulfed almost the whole world - and even if the model does not carry a Red Star or Stars And Bars, it can have a deep connection within the political landscape or local conflicts that were surrogate wars between the big players. Just my humble opinion, and that's also the reason why I submit the MiG-33. It is a late child of the Cold War, stillborn for several reasons, though.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Weaver on December 30, 2015, 12:45:05 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 30, 2015, 03:00:03 AM
By the time we get the inevitable extension it will do anyway  ;D

If the Mods are happy though, no reason why we can't although it only really effects the UK based lads

Fine by me. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: crudebuteffective on December 30, 2015, 02:14:23 PM
Quote from: Librarian on December 29, 2015, 02:25:07 PM
Would the slight warm front known as the Vietnam War be a legal part of the Cold War...corrupt capitalism versus galloping communism etc etc...and allowed within the framework of this GB? I'd like to put together a few kits so the wider the scope the better.

Hi

cannot see NAM being a problem

we have had a chat and any of the proxy wars fall into this GB

CBE
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: zenrat on December 30, 2015, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: crudebuteffective on December 30, 2015, 02:14:23 PM
Quote from: Librarian on December 29, 2015, 02:25:07 PM
Would the slight warm front known as the Vietnam War be a legal part of the Cold War...corrupt capitalism versus galloping communism etc etc...and allowed within the framework of this GB? I'd like to put together a few kits so the wider the scope the better.


Hi

cannot see NAM being a problem

we have had a chat and any of the proxy wars fall into this GB

CBE


Falklands?  What if one side had been a soviet satellite?  FAA Yak 38s (operating from the Kiev Class UKRNS Tony Benn vs Argentinian Skyhawks.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: sandiego89 on December 30, 2015, 07:10:57 PM
I think all these proxy war thoughts are fine, but to me anyway "Cold War" conjures no actual significant engagements like Korea, Falklands, Angola, Vietnam...., but NATO vs. Warsaw Pact forces on hair trigger alert: Nukes, Fulda Gap, cold oceans and airspaces.... Yes I realize a few things got hot with shoot downs, etc. 

I have a few in mind from both sides of the NATO/Warsaw Pact.  If one gets off the bench I'll be happy....
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Geoff on December 31, 2015, 04:10:28 AM
Hmmm so middle eastern wifs are in. Cool I have a few obscure ideas. Need higher doses probably.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Thorvic on December 31, 2015, 04:25:43 AM
To be honest most of the 'Cold War' hotspots were the result of the Cold War powers manipulation and counter actions, playing off against each other by supporting the warring factions without getting caught being directly involved if possible. The advantage now is that you can Whiff events to bring opposition forces into play to make things more 'interesting' or alternately nullify them.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Weaver on December 31, 2015, 04:35:13 AM
Quote from: zenrat on December 30, 2015, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: crudebuteffective on December 30, 2015, 02:14:23 PM
Quote from: Librarian on December 29, 2015, 02:25:07 PM
Would the slight warm front known as the Vietnam War be a legal part of the Cold War...corrupt capitalism versus galloping communism etc etc...and allowed within the framework of this GB? I'd like to put together a few kits so the wider the scope the better.


Hi

cannot see NAM being a problem

we have had a chat and any of the proxy wars fall into this GB

CBE


Falklands?  What if one side had been a soviet satellite?  FAA Yak 38s (operating from the Kiev Class UKRNS Tony Benn vs Argentinian Skyhawks.


It's hard to see the Falklands as it actually happened being a product of the Cold War, more a delayed echo of 18th/19th colonialism/imperialism, but if you want to re-write it as an east-west proxy war, that's fine. Argentina has been making up to Russia recently: what if that happened pre-'82, possibly as a result of a left-wing revolution in the country? The Falklands issue is a nationalist one, not a party-political one: it would still be there whoever was in power.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Geoff on December 31, 2015, 05:51:51 AM
If the Peronistas were in power????????????
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: NARSES2 on December 31, 2015, 06:53:31 AM
Quote from: Thorvic on December 29, 2015, 11:52:02 PM
Could I suggest we extend the date to the 3rd of April as thats when the Shropshire Model Show is at RAF Cosford when were next to the Cold War Museum ?

Quote from: Weaver on December 30, 2015, 12:45:05 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 30, 2015, 03:00:03 AM
By the time we get the inevitable extension it will do anyway  ;D

If the Mods are happy though, no reason why we can't although it only really effects the UK based lads

Fine by me. :thumbsup:

Right the rules are amended. Now ends 3/4/16.....don't go asking for an extension ; you've got it  ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Gondor on December 31, 2015, 12:14:56 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 31, 2015, 06:53:31 AM
Quote from: Thorvic on December 29, 2015, 11:52:02 PM
Could I suggest we extend the date to the 3rd of April as thats when the Shropshire Model Show is at RAF Cosford when were next to the Cold War Museum ?

Quote from: Weaver on December 30, 2015, 12:45:05 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 30, 2015, 03:00:03 AM
By the time we get the inevitable extension it will do anyway  ;D

If the Mods are happy though, no reason why we can't although it only really effects the UK based lads

Fine by me. :thumbsup:

Right the rules are amended. Now ends 3/4/16.....don't go asking for an extension ; you've got it  ;D

That means if I get any builds for this Group Build I will also have them finished in time for the Scottish Nationals at the same time  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: zenrat on January 01, 2016, 02:50:43 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 31, 2015, 06:53:31 AM
Quote from: Thorvic on December 29, 2015, 11:52:02 PM
Could I suggest we extend the date to the 3rd of April as thats when the Shropshire Model Show is at RAF Cosford when were next to the Cold War Museum ?

Quote from: Weaver on December 30, 2015, 12:45:05 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 30, 2015, 03:00:03 AM
By the time we get the inevitable extension it will do anyway  ;D

If the Mods are happy though, no reason why we can't although it only really effects the UK based lads

Fine by me. :thumbsup:

Right the rules are amended. Now ends 3/4/16.....don't go asking for an extension ; you've got it  ;D

Bet you London to a brick someone still asks  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: NARSES2 on January 01, 2016, 06:30:16 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 01, 2016, 02:50:43 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 31, 2015, 06:53:31 AM
Quote from: Thorvic on December 29, 2015, 11:52:02 PM
Could I suggest we extend the date to the 3rd of April as thats when the Shropshire Model Show is at RAF Cosford when were next to the Cold War Museum ?

Quote from: Weaver on December 30, 2015, 12:45:05 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 30, 2015, 03:00:03 AM
By the time we get the inevitable extension it will do anyway  ;D

If the Mods are happy though, no reason why we can't although it only really effects the UK based lads

Fine by me. :thumbsup:

Right the rules are amended. Now ends 3/4/16.....don't go asking for an extension ; you've got it  ;D

Bet you London to a brick someone still asks  :rolleyes:

Of Course  :rolleyes: I could almost run a book as well
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Geoff on January 04, 2016, 10:48:16 AM
Would a proposed UFO interceptor be covered here? There was a fear in the USA thet UFOs were from the USSR so it's sort of cold war - isn't  it???
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: kitbasher on January 04, 2016, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on January 01, 2016, 06:30:16 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 01, 2016, 02:50:43 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 31, 2015, 06:53:31 AM
Quote from: Thorvic on December 29, 2015, 11:52:02 PM
Could I suggest we extend the date to the 3rd of April as thats when the Shropshire Model Show is at RAF Cosford when were next to the Cold War Museum ?

Quote from: Weaver on December 30, 2015, 12:45:05 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 30, 2015, 03:00:03 AM
By the time we get the inevitable extension it will do anyway  ;D

If the Mods are happy though, no reason why we can't although it only really effects the UK based lads

Fine by me. :thumbsup:

Right the rules are amended. Now ends 3/4/16.....don't go asking for an extension ; you've got it  ;D

Bet you London to a brick someone still asks  :rolleyes:

Of Course  :rolleyes: I could almost run a book as well

please sir, could we have an extra week on top?
:o
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: crudebuteffective on January 04, 2016, 12:46:40 PM
Quote from: kitbasher on January 04, 2016, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on January 01, 2016, 06:30:16 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 01, 2016, 02:50:43 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 31, 2015, 06:53:31 AM
Quote from: Thorvic on December 29, 2015, 11:52:02 PM
Could I suggest we extend the date to the 3rd of April as thats when the Shropshire Model Show is at RAF Cosford when were next to the Cold War Museum ?

Quote from: Weaver on December 30, 2015, 12:45:05 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 30, 2015, 03:00:03 AM
By the time we get the inevitable extension it will do anyway  ;D

If the Mods are happy though, no reason why we can't although it only really effects the UK based lads

Fine by me. :thumbsup:

Right the rules are amended. Now ends 3/4/16.....don't go asking for an extension ; you've got it  ;D

Bet you London to a brick someone still asks  :rolleyes:

Of Course  :rolleyes: I could almost run a book as well

please sir, could we have an extra week on top?
:o

NO!!!!! the cold war build is not meant to last as long as the cold war :banghead: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Weaver on January 04, 2016, 01:41:40 PM
Quote from: crudebuteffective on January 04, 2016, 12:46:40 PM
Quote from: kitbasher on January 04, 2016, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on January 01, 2016, 06:30:16 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 01, 2016, 02:50:43 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 31, 2015, 06:53:31 AM
Quote from: Thorvic on December 29, 2015, 11:52:02 PM
Could I suggest we extend the date to the 3rd of April as thats when the Shropshire Model Show is at RAF Cosford when were next to the Cold War Museum ?

Quote from: Weaver on December 30, 2015, 12:45:05 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 30, 2015, 03:00:03 AM
By the time we get the inevitable extension it will do anyway  ;D

If the Mods are happy though, no reason why we can't although it only really effects the UK based lads

Fine by me. :thumbsup:

Right the rules are amended. Now ends 3/4/16.....don't go asking for an extension ; you've got it  ;D

Bet you London to a brick someone still asks  :rolleyes:

Of Course  :rolleyes: I could almost run a book as well

please sir, could we have an extra week on top?
:o

NO!!!!! the cold war build is not meant to last as long as the cold war :banghead: :thumbsup:

I think that if we really want to stick to the spirit of the Cold War, we should tell everyone that the GB's going to go on forever and then end it suddenly when nobody expects it..... :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: scooter on January 04, 2016, 01:58:17 PM
Quote from: Weaver on January 04, 2016, 01:41:40 PM
Quote from: crudebuteffective on January 04, 2016, 12:46:40 PM
Quote from: kitbasher on January 04, 2016, 12:08:58 PM

please sir, could we have an extra week on top?
:o

NO!!!!! the cold war build is not meant to last as long as the cold war :banghead: :thumbsup:

I think that if we really want to stick to the spirit of the Cold War, we should tell everyone that the GB's going to go on forever and then end it suddenly when nobody expects it..... :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

Sorta like the Spanish Inquisition...  ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Nick on January 05, 2016, 06:23:32 AM
Quote from: zenrat on December 30, 2015, 04:32:40 PM

Falklands?  What if one side had been a soviet satellite?  FAA Yak 38s (operating from the Kiev Class UKRNS Tony Benn vs Argentinian Skyhawks.


I did an Argentine Yak-38 several years ago. It was a surprise for the SBS guys attacking Pebble Island!
The other one was an RAF Hawk 200 with bombs.
The pics seem to have disappeared but I'll sort it later. http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,16107.0.html
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 05, 2016, 07:22:36 AM
If the Falklands are eligible for the GB I might chime in with a respective, small build, too.  ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Weaver on January 05, 2016, 08:26:42 AM
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on January 05, 2016, 07:22:36 AM
If the Falklands are eligible for the GB I might chime in with a respective, small build, too.  ;D

My personal feeling is that the Falklands War as it actually happened had little to do with the Cold War: it was a war between two US allies about issues that pre-dated the Cold War by over a century. However if you wanted to rewrite it as an East-vs-West confrontation (i.e. make one or other party a Soviet client state) then that would be fine. However this is just my opinion, NOT a moderator decision, so I shall consult my colleague and get back to you.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: sandiego89 on January 05, 2016, 08:52:36 AM
I agree with Weaver- expanding to every potential theatre diminishes the theme of the group build- and it effectively becomes a watered down "1945-1989ish" group build with no real theme.  I think east vs. west (or NATO vs Warsaw Pact) is the true essence of the Cold War. Falklands not so much.  Yes you could change the history or the particpants to make the Falklands work, but that seems to be trying too hard.  Save the Falklands or other conflicts for a different GB.  My 2 cents as a contributer, not a mod.  

-Dave
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 05, 2016, 09:28:23 AM
Was my feeling, too.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Weaver on January 05, 2016, 09:41:19 AM
Okay, the Mods have conferred on the Falklands issue and this is the result:

The Falklands War as it actually happened is not admissible to the Cold War GB, since it was a war between two US allies about post-colonial issues that pre-dated the Cold War. However if a contributor were to rewrite history in such a way as to make it part of the East-vs-West confrontation (i.e. make one or other party a Soviet ally) then that would be fine.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Weaver on January 05, 2016, 09:44:55 AM
Quote from: Geoff on January 04, 2016, 10:48:16 AM
Would a proposed UFO interceptor be covered here? There was a fear in the USA thet UFOs were from the USSR so it's sort of cold war - isn't  it???

The Moderators have conferred on this one too, and we feel that this sort of build would be more suitable for a sci-fi themed GB rather than a Cold War one, so I'm afraid we're not going to allow it.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Steel Penguin on January 05, 2016, 11:08:58 AM
ill ask the honourable gentlemen.
Some of my ideas for this may slip into a more Hot war, as if I do a group of Twilight 2000 knock offs  ( wiki link and article    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_2000    )   will I be considered ok, or am I taking it a bit far ( things like the stalwart  loaded with some A frames and SNEB pods for  a MLRS a like)   ?
or do I build like mad and do a mass submission at Cosford and greater minds than I can make decisions
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 05, 2016, 12:39:27 PM
Am I right in saying that any model that's part of this GB must have been started after Jan 2nd this year?
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: crudebuteffective on January 05, 2016, 12:41:40 PM
unless only minor stuff had been done

CBE (mod)
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 05, 2016, 12:44:50 PM
Ok, thanks.

My only candidate has had MUCH more than 'minor stuff' done to it.  ;D

I'll think of something else.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Gondor on January 05, 2016, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: crudebuteffective on January 05, 2016, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on January 05, 2016, 12:39:27 PM
Am I right in saying that any model that's part of this GB must have been started after Jan 2nd this year?
unless only minor stuff had been done

CBE (mod)

So I take it that separating parts and only painting the cockpit black and nothing having been glued would be ok?

Gondor
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Weaver on January 05, 2016, 03:27:42 PM
Quote from: Gondor on January 05, 2016, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: crudebuteffective on January 05, 2016, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on January 05, 2016, 12:39:27 PM
Am I right in saying that any model that's part of this GB must have been started after Jan 2nd this year?
unless only minor stuff had been done

CBE (mod)

So I take it that separating parts and only painting the cockpit black and nothing having been glued would be ok?

Gondor

Yes that sounds fine to me. What about you CBE?
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: zenrat on January 06, 2016, 01:41:19 AM
Quote from: Weaver on January 05, 2016, 09:41:19 AM
Okay, the Mods have conferred on the Falklands issue and this is the result:

The Falklands War as it actually happened is not admissible to the Cold War GB, since it was a war between two US allies about post-colonial issues that pre-dated the Cold War. However if a contributor were to rewrite history in such a way as to make it part of the East-vs-West confrontation (i.e. make one or other party a Soviet ally) then that would be fine.

That makes sense.  My suggestion was tongue in cheek anyway.  Not something I was going to build.

Yet. ;D

Personally i'd not allow Vietnam, Korea or Afghanistan either - too hot and also all fertile enough ground to have their own GBs.
The tension between the two Chinas on the other hand strikes me as having potential (and some great camo schemes - as on my Mohawk of last year).


Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: rickshaw on January 06, 2016, 02:02:45 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 06, 2016, 01:41:19 AM
Quote from: Weaver on January 05, 2016, 09:41:19 AM
Okay, the Mods have conferred on the Falklands issue and this is the result:

The Falklands War as it actually happened is not admissible to the Cold War GB, since it was a war between two US allies about post-colonial issues that pre-dated the Cold War. However if a contributor were to rewrite history in such a way as to make it part of the East-vs-West confrontation (i.e. make one or other party a Soviet ally) then that would be fine.

That makes sense.  My suggestion was tongue in cheek anyway.  Not something I was going to build.

Yet. ;D

Personally i'd not allow Vietnam, Korea or Afghanistan either - too hot and also all fertile enough ground to have their own GBs.
The tension between the two Chinas on the other hand strikes me as having potential (and some great camo schemes - as on my Mohawk of last year).

The Two Chinas, Greece and Turkey, Australia and Indonesia (over West New Guinea), Britain and Argentina (over the Falklands) and so on are all potential conflicts between US allies real and imagined.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: loupgarou on January 06, 2016, 03:23:14 AM
Quote from: rickshaw on January 06, 2016, 02:02:45 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 06, 2016, 01:41:19 AM
Quote from: Weaver on January 05, 2016, 09:41:19 AM
Okay, the Mods have conferred on the Falklands issue and this is the result:

The Falklands War as it actually happened is not admissible to the Cold War GB, since it was a war between two US allies about post-colonial issues that pre-dated the Cold War. However if a contributor were to rewrite history in such a way as to make it part of the East-vs-West confrontation (i.e. make one or other party a Soviet ally) then that would be fine.

That makes sense.  My suggestion was tongue in cheek anyway.  Not something I was going to build.

Yet. ;D

Personally i'd not allow Vietnam, Korea or Afghanistan either - too hot and also all fertile enough ground to have their own GBs.
The tension between the two Chinas on the other hand strikes me as having potential (and some great camo schemes - as on my Mohawk of last year).

The Two Chinas, Greece and Turkey, Australia and Indonesia (over West New Guinea), Britain and Argentina (over the Falklands) and so on are all potential conflicts between US allies real and imagined.

:o  :blink:  :o While I do agree regarding the others, I was under the impression that one of the two Chinas was in the commie field.
BTW, read recently The black bats, about spy flights by Taiwan over mainland China, quite interesting.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: rickshaw on January 06, 2016, 04:05:12 AM
Quote from: loupgarou on January 06, 2016, 03:23:14 AM
Quote from: rickshaw on January 06, 2016, 02:02:45 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 06, 2016, 01:41:19 AM
Quote from: Weaver on January 05, 2016, 09:41:19 AM
Okay, the Mods have conferred on the Falklands issue and this is the result:

The Falklands War as it actually happened is not admissible to the Cold War GB, since it was a war between two US allies about post-colonial issues that pre-dated the Cold War. However if a contributor were to rewrite history in such a way as to make it part of the East-vs-West confrontation (i.e. make one or other party a Soviet ally) then that would be fine.

That makes sense.  My suggestion was tongue in cheek anyway.  Not something I was going to build.

Yet. ;D

Personally i'd not allow Vietnam, Korea or Afghanistan either - too hot and also all fertile enough ground to have their own GBs.
The tension between the two Chinas on the other hand strikes me as having potential (and some great camo schemes - as on my Mohawk of last year).

The Two Chinas, Greece and Turkey, Australia and Indonesia (over West New Guinea), Britain and Argentina (over the Falklands) and so on are all potential conflicts between US allies real and imagined.

:o  :blink:  :o While I do agree regarding the others, I was under the impression that one of the two Chinas was in the commie field.

Forgotten Nixon's visit to Beijing in 1972?  While China might be now shaping up as a potential competitor to the US, they were more than happy to help the US during the second half of the Cold War.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Geoff on January 06, 2016, 04:16:14 AM
Quote from: Weaver on January 05, 2016, 09:44:55 AM
Quote from: Geoff on January 04, 2016, 10:48:16 AM
Would a proposed UFO interceptor be covered here? There was a fear in the USA thet UFOs were from the USSR so it's sort of cold war - isn't  it???

The Moderators have conferred on this one too, and we feel that this sort of build would be more suitable for a sci-fi themed GB rather than a Cold War one, so I'm afraid we're not going to allow it.

ok thanks
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: loupgarou on January 06, 2016, 05:29:32 AM
Quote from: rickshaw on January 06, 2016, 04:05:12 AM
Quote from: loupgarou on January 06, 2016, 03:23:14 AM
Quote from: rickshaw on January 06, 2016, 02:02:45 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 06, 2016, 01:41:19 AM
Quote from: Weaver on January 05, 2016, 09:41:19 AM
Okay, the Mods have conferred on the Falklands issue and this is the result:

The Falklands War as it actually happened is not admissible to the Cold War GB, since it was a war between two US allies about post-colonial issues that pre-dated the Cold War. However if a contributor were to rewrite history in such a way as to make it part of the East-vs-West confrontation (i.e. make one or other party a Soviet ally) then that would be fine.

That makes sense.  My suggestion was tongue in cheek anyway.  Not something I was going to build.

Yet. ;D

Personally i'd not allow Vietnam, Korea or Afghanistan either - too hot and also all fertile enough ground to have their own GBs.
The tension between the two Chinas on the other hand strikes me as having potential (and some great camo schemes - as on my Mohawk of last year).

The Two Chinas, Greece and Turkey, Australia and Indonesia (over West New Guinea), Britain and Argentina (over the Falklands) and so on are all potential conflicts between US allies real and imagined.

:o  :blink:  :o While I do agree regarding the others, I was under the impression that one of the two Chinas was in the commie field.

Forgotten Nixon's visit to Beijing in 1972?  While China might be now shaping up as a potential competitor to the US, they were more than happy to help the US during the second half of the Cold War.


Hmmm. Diplomatic visits are the norm between adversaries, except in case of hot war. But even after that, China was heavily helping north Vietnam against South and USA. And even after, I find hard to think USA and China were on the same side, not to say allied.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Captain Canada on January 06, 2016, 06:03:02 AM
Lots of thinking going on here at Pomerleau Palace.

Canada`s Air Div in Europe could sure have used some bolstering. Maybe a 3 Winf CF-115 Eagle ?
North Atlantic ? Maybe a Shak as an AEW bird, or a Vulcan as a quick reaction ASW type.

Maybe a boat or two as well.....

:cheers:
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: crudebuteffective on January 06, 2016, 10:02:33 AM
Quote from: Weaver on January 05, 2016, 03:27:42 PM
Quote from: Gondor on January 05, 2016, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: crudebuteffective on January 05, 2016, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on January 05, 2016, 12:39:27 PM
Am I right in saying that any model that's part of this GB must have been started after Jan 2nd this year?
unless only minor stuff had been done

CBE (mod)

So I take it that separating parts and only painting the cockpit black and nothing having been glued would be ok?

Gondor

Yes that sounds fine to me. What about you CBE?

sounds ok to me

CBE
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: crudebuteffective on January 06, 2016, 10:06:11 AM
Quote from: Steel Penguin on January 05, 2016, 11:08:58 AM
ill ask the honourable gentlemen.
Some of my ideas for this may slip into a more Hot war, as if I do a group of Twilight 2000 knock offs  ( wiki link and article    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_2000    )   will I be considered ok, or am I taking it a bit far ( things like the stalwart  loaded with some A frames and SNEB pods for  a MLRS a like)   ?
or do I build like mad and do a mass submission at Cosford and greater minds than I can make decisions

HI

We have had a conflab about this and we thinks it doesn't fit in the cold war theme sorry mate

CBE ( mod)
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Steel Penguin on January 06, 2016, 11:48:51 AM
CBE   no problem,  it takes some of the "build pressure" off   :thumbsup:
I can concentrate on the Chally and warrior stuff
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Gondor on January 06, 2016, 03:50:00 PM
Quote from: crudebuteffective on January 06, 2016, 10:02:33 AM
Quote from: Weaver on January 05, 2016, 03:27:42 PM
Quote from: Gondor on January 05, 2016, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: crudebuteffective on January 05, 2016, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on January 05, 2016, 12:39:27 PM
Am I right in saying that any model that's part of this GB must have been started after Jan 2nd this year?
unless only minor stuff had been done

CBE (mod)

So I take it that separating parts and only painting the cockpit black and nothing having been glued would be ok?

Gondor

Yes that sounds fine to me. What about you CBE?


sounds ok to me

CBE

Great, that means I can add a Hunter build or two to my list of things to build  ;D

Gondor
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Nick on January 08, 2016, 11:23:58 AM
I have an idea for a jet trainer and/or a transport aircraft. Would these be permitted under the rules?

I also have a started F-14 in the stash but I'll have to check and see how far I got with it 25 years ago....  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Weaver on January 08, 2016, 01:08:08 PM
Quote from: Nick on January 08, 2016, 11:23:58 AM
I have an idea for a jet trainer and/or a transport aircraft. Would these be permitted under the rules?

I also have a started F-14 in the stash but I'll have to check and see how far I got with it 25 years ago....  :rolleyes:

Sure: training and transport were relevent to the Cold War if the force owning them was training and transporting for a Cold War purpose. The thing to do is emphasise the Cold War role in your backstory.

We're being pretty strict on the 'no major construction' clause in the rules. The best thing to do is PM a pic of the F-14 to the mods for us to mull over.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: crudebuteffective on January 08, 2016, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: Weaver on January 08, 2016, 01:08:08 PM
Quote from: Nick on January 08, 2016, 11:23:58 AM
I have an idea for a jet trainer and/or a transport aircraft. Would these be permitted under the rules?

I also have a started F-14 in the stash but I'll have to check and see how far I got with it 25 years ago....  :rolleyes:

Sure: training and transport were relevent to the Cold War if the force owning them was training and transporting for a Cold War purpose. The thing to do is emphasise the Cold War role in your backstory.

We're being pretty strict on the 'no major construction' clause in the rules. The best thing to do is PM a pic of the F-14 to the mods for us to mull over.

Agreed

CBE
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: DogfighterZen on January 26, 2016, 11:30:01 AM
Gentlemen, can i enter the GB with a PoAF Saab J-29F Tunnan?

:cheers:
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: crudebuteffective on January 26, 2016, 12:54:06 PM
no problem
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: DogfighterZen on January 26, 2016, 03:37:28 PM
 Thank you!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Weaver on March 26, 2016, 08:42:59 AM
Folks, the GB finishes on the 3rd of April in just over ONE WEEK.

If you want to ask for an extension, now would be the time.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: JayBee on March 26, 2016, 11:01:34 AM
OK I am asking for an extension. Not certain how much but certainly a couple of weeks at the very least.
Given that the date that the Berlin Wall came down (November 10) is widely regarded as the official end of the Cold War that could have been a good end date for this GB. However I am not asking to push it quite that far.

Over to you Moderators.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: kitbasher on March 26, 2016, 11:23:07 AM
as mentioned in the Fishcake build, yes I'd love an extension but it would have to be well into April for it to make a difference, possibly the end of the month, which is [edit] probably unlikely an unrealistic request I feel.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: kitnut617 on March 27, 2016, 08:00:23 AM
As with kitbasher, I could use a few more weeks
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: zenrat on March 27, 2016, 06:11:46 PM
I'm good thanks.  I should get the last MiG 21 done in time as long as there is no disaster.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: sandiego89 on March 27, 2016, 06:42:19 PM
I should make it...fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules
Post by: Weaver on March 27, 2016, 07:34:15 PM
Okay folks, pleas have been considered, arguments tested, bribes collected and threats noted, and the moderators have solemly and wearily, with much rolling of eyes and shaking of heads, agreed to an extension of two weeks. The new finish date will be midnight on Sunday 17th of April. You're welcome.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: kitbasher on March 28, 2016, 01:09:34 AM
Many thanks, will do my best!!!!
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: Gondor on March 28, 2016, 02:34:00 AM
Oh! Now I might have time to actually do some work on the Hunter I started a thread for but have yet to do anything else to and seeing that I have three others getting painted  ;D

Gondor
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 28, 2016, 02:38:20 AM
Oh my god, more time for two or three models!  :o
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: zenrat on March 28, 2016, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on March 28, 2016, 02:38:20 AM
Oh my god, more time for two or three models!  :o

...and then some...

;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: kitnut617 on March 28, 2016, 06:40:51 AM
Thanks guys, I will give it all I've got to get my project done in time.  This is one I want to finish ---
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: Captain Canada on March 28, 2016, 07:22:14 PM
Excellent....thank you gents ! I sat down to paint my Lightning tonite, and two new tins of Humbrol ( 163 and 164 ) both turned out to be some running crap that even after long stirs and shakes and repeats were both so thin I gave up. I'll try again tomorrow but may also need to find a new paint.

:cheers:
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: The Chaos on March 28, 2016, 11:42:04 PM
These are Good News, i hope I can finished my Model.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: kitbasher on April 15, 2016, 05:55:06 AM
The time vampires have defeated me.  I will continue the build but who knows when it will be finished!
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: JayBee on April 15, 2016, 08:02:44 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on April 15, 2016, 05:55:06 AM
The time vampires have defeated me.  I will continue the build but who knows when it will be finished!

DITTO
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: Weaver on April 17, 2016, 02:54:36 AM
The deadline approaches folks: you have 13 hours....

If you've already finished your build, please make sure you've posted it on the Finished Builds thread.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: zenrat on April 17, 2016, 04:17:58 AM
Quote from: Weaver on April 17, 2016, 02:54:36 AM
The deadline approaches folks: you have 13 hours...

Dizz reaches for another two kits... ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: Weaver on April 17, 2016, 01:31:28 PM
2 1/2 hours now, tick, tick tick...... :wacko:

If anyone is within minutes of getting their entry in but fails due to internet/camera problems or some other non-modelling glitch, then drop me a PM and I may well let it in after consultation with the other mods. We're here to encourage modelling, not pursue rules for rules sake.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: Weaver on April 17, 2016, 04:37:29 PM
Okay, that's it: it's all over folks. The Finished Builds thread is now locked.

(but see previous post  ;) )
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: Weaver on April 20, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
Couple of minor issues to sort out before I do the poll: hopefully it won't take long.
Title: Re: Cold War GB The Rules EXTENDED TO 17.04.2016
Post by: Weaver on April 21, 2016, 07:30:57 AM
The polls are now up, so get voting!  :thumbsup: