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Title: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 19, 2014, 09:03:53 am
Repeating my post on Devilfish's thread on his 1/48 th T12 :-

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My 'Telford Cold' having abated somewhat I'm back in the model room again.  Grin

This morning I hauled my Hunter T12 bits and pieces off the Project Shelf and delved back into the numerous packets and boxes there. This is surely going to be the work of many hands, some commercial and some that of Whiffers from here.

An incomplete list would be :- Revell, Airfix, Freightdog, Maintrack, Pavla, Quickboost, Aeroclub, OGL, Rickshaw and JayBee, with the mixing and matching done by me. It could be quite a long build, but then mine usually are. For sure it will be interesting, and hopefully with a good looking result.

Here's some pics of all the assorted bits and pieces. The basics in the top pic are the lovely Revell Hunter FGA9 kit (Why don't they re-release it, or the F6?) and Colin Freightdog's Super Hunter resin conversion kit, but the second pic shows all the myriad goodies that I've assembled for the build.

Top left is the Silver Cloud Super Hunter conversion and directly below it is the bit that makes it all possible, the tandem 2 seat fuselage. This was a joint effort between OGL and Rickshaw, as the original Maintrack tandem conversion is intended for the M'box kit and making fit the Revell offering is a nightmare, but Rickshaw managed it, using one of OGL's re-moulds as a starter, and a super job is it too.  :thumbsup: Top right are two Pavla resin M-B bang seats and immediately under them is the vacform canopy moulded by JayBee. At the bottom are two Quickboost sets, one for the airbrake and for the exhaust that may or may not be needed depending on how they work on the model. And lastly the little white tri-angular thing in the middle is the radome from an Airfix TSR2 so the 237 OCU students can lean how to fly the things properly.  ;D

(http://imageshack.com/a/img538/4473/mwVJxi.jpg)

(http://imageshack.com/a/img674/5381/zMfiHu.jpg)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Captain Canada on November 19, 2014, 10:59:08 am
Oh yeah....this is gonna be sweet !
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: sandiego89 on November 19, 2014, 11:37:18 am
Nice!  How would the canopy open?  One long clamshell hinged at the rear (tornado style)? Twin rear hinged (Phantom style)? , side hinged? (Harrier T2/4)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 19, 2014, 11:51:50 am
Nice!  How would the canopy open?  One long clamshell hinged at the rear (tornado style)? Twin rear hinged (Phantom style)? , side hinged? (Harrier T2/4)

Good question, and one I won't need to answer as it'll be closed on my model.  ;D

I suspect it would have hinged at the rear, Tornado style  :tornado: but I couldn't give you a rational thought process for that conclusion. I've never seen any details of the original P.1101's canopy opening method anywhere, all that's ever shown is a side view with it closed.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 19, 2014, 03:36:10 pm
By my usual build speed standards I'm going hypersonic on this one.  ;D Of course if Dizzufugu was doing it he'd have been doing the decals by now.  :lol: :lol:

After assembling the basic Revell fuselage I trimmed off the moulding block from the Silver Wings afterburning exhaust pipe and slotted it into the tail before the glue had fully dried. This was because the resin part is a trifle too large in diameter and needs a bit of 'persuasion' to fit the FGA9's tail. A smidgeon of PSR will sort out the small gap in the underside later on. The big problem in this area is the lack of parabrake, which I'm sure the T12s would have had, and the Quickboost conversion I bought turned out not to be well suited for the job as it is an entire NON-afterburning exhaust! So I'm planning to Dremel out the insides of the standard Revell FGA9 exhaust, leaving only the parabrake housing, and squiggle ( Allan) what's left over the Silver Wings exhaust pipe.

I sanded down the resin forward fuselage, not that it needed much, and measured the larger diameter of the TSR2 radome (11 mm FYI), marked that off on the nose and sawed off the requisite length, then sanded it down until the two parts matched as well as they were going to, and superglued it in place. The radome is circular and the fuselage nose is slightly flattened, like the RW T7s, so a little 'matching' was called for with large files and sanding pads.

The two intake boundary layer panels fitted nicely in the same places as they do in the Revell kit, or they would have done if the starboard one hadn't fallen on the floor and become an evening snack for the Carpet Monster.  :banghead: So I cut another one from styrene sheet and bent it to shape, and after glueing it in place I filed it to match the port side one. Then I trimmed off the large moulding flash panels from the new wings and tried one in place. It fitted like it was MADE for it, which of course it was, but not quite in the way in which I'm using it.  ;D

Lastly I superglued the two fuselage halves together with the result you see below.

I must admit I quite like the shape, it looks REALLY fast with that needle nose and with the extra-swept wings and tail I'm sure it will look exactly like a potential TSR2 pilot's airborne classroom.  :lol:

(https://imageshack.com/a/img674/9449/ekrTve.jpg)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Gondor on November 19, 2014, 03:44:46 pm
WoW you are going fast on this one Kit  :blink:

Gondor
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: rickshaw on November 19, 2014, 08:16:49 pm
Nice!  How would the canopy open?  One long clamshell hinged at the rear (tornado style)? Twin rear hinged (Phantom style)? , side hinged? (Harrier T2/4)

I used a side-hinged canopy on my Hawker Herne build:

(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7493/1001689b.jpg)

However, I was seriously considering a backward sliding one, which is also rather typically "British" IMO.  Clamshell is OK for the period of Kit's build.  Separate clamshells is possible but requires a substantial structure between the two canopies.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Devilfish on November 20, 2014, 01:20:08 am
I would say a rear sliding canopy. It was good enough for the Buccaneer..... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 20, 2014, 01:34:51 am
And the Meteor NF14 (and the PR19...) had a rearwards sliding one too.

If I leave it closed everyone can make up their own mind about which way it opens of course.  ;D

Did you increase the fin height on your Herne build Brian? I was thinking about that too, but there's not THAT much more nose area, and Hawkers didn't do it on the Firestreak test Hunters either.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: rickshaw on November 20, 2014, 01:42:49 am
Yes, I increased the fin height.  I thought with the extra nose with the radar at the front, it would need it.  AIUI, the proposed trainer didn't have extra fin but it was either that or adding some underbody fins.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 20, 2014, 01:47:45 am
I did the preliminary PSR work in the fuselage joint, during which the radome fell off.  :banghead:

So I stuck it back on and started to look at the tailplanes. The Super Hunter Hunter prototype didn't have the acorn faring at the trailing edge of the tailplanes so the conversion tails won't fit as standard, so I had to work out how and where to trim the elevators, during which the radome fell off.  :banghead: :banghead:

The problem is that the TSR2 radome has a knife edge rim to mate onto the resin Hunter nose, and there's naff all glueing area to work with, so now I've glued it onto a piece of scrap 10 thou styrene with tube glue and then I'll trim that and superglue the whole shebang back onto the nose. At least that's the plan.....
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Weaver on November 20, 2014, 04:50:18 am
Okay, I am definately watching this with interest! I've got two of the Freightdog P.1083 and one of OGL's original noses with the intention of doing a pair of Super-Hunters, but when I saw the hassle Rickshaw had, it kind put me off a bit. I do actually have both Matchbox and Airfix Hunters available that would fit the two-seater front end better, but they treat the intake/wing/fuselage joint differently from Revell, so it's swings and roundabouts.

p.s. I've had over a week of "Telford Lurgi" too... :rolleyes:  Travel the country, meet new people, catch their germs........
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 20, 2014, 05:43:52 am
p.s. I've had over a week of "Teford Lurgi" too... :rolleyes:  Travel the country, meet new people, catch their germs........

I'm afraid you probably caught it from me, terribly sorry.  :-\
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Martin H on November 20, 2014, 08:21:04 am
p.s. I've had over a week of "Teford Lurgi" too... :rolleyes:  Travel the country, meet new people, catch their germs........

I'm afraid you probably caught it from me, terribly sorry.  :-\
Yeah, kit gifted the lurgi to me as well

Just a quick note. Only 10 conversions have been cast. And I have no current plans to do any more.  Two went down under to Rickshaw, one to Kit, one will be going to Jaybee for his part in providing the canopies, and one was put togeather by me as a test run (ill finish it some day). The remainder are staying with me for now, just in case Kit, Brian, Jim or myself have any another build ideas.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Knightflyer on November 20, 2014, 08:22:45 am
p.s. I've had over a week of "Teford Lurgi" too... :rolleyes:  Travel the country, meet new people, catch their germs........

I'm afraid you probably caught it from me, terribly sorry.  :-\
Yeah, kit gifted the lurgi to me as well
I'm quite thankful I only shook hands with Kit now and didn't hang around the stand!  :o
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 20, 2014, 09:28:03 am
p.s. I've had over a week of "Teford Lurgi" too... :rolleyes:  Travel the country, meet new people, catch their germs........

I'm afraid you probably caught it from me, terribly sorry.  :-\
Yeah, kit gifted the lurgi to me as well
I'm quite thankful I only shook hands with Kit now and didn't hang around the stand!  :o

I'm a VERY generous guy, it may already be too late......... ;D
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: kitnut617 on November 20, 2014, 10:28:43 am

Just a quick note. Only 10 conversions have been cast. And I have no current plans to do any more.  Two went down under to Rickshaw, one to Kit, one will be going to Jaybee for his part in providing the canopies, and one was put togeather by me as a test run (ill finish it some day).

I've got one of your tandem Hunter conversions Martin (few years ago), what's the difference between it and these you're talking about ?
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Martin H on November 20, 2014, 01:50:30 pm
Compare the one you have with the one shown in Kit's 2nd photo ;D theres a lot more resin involved for a start lol
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: rickshaw on November 20, 2014, 05:50:00 pm
p.s. I've had over a week of "Teford Lurgi" too... :rolleyes:  Travel the country, meet new people, catch their germs........

I'm afraid you probably caught it from me, terribly sorry.  :-\
Yeah, kit gifted the lurgi to me as well
I'm quite thankful I only shook hands with Kit now and didn't hang around the stand!  :o

I'm a VERY generous guy, it may already be too late......... ;D

Changing your name to Mary, are you? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary) ;)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: rickshaw on November 20, 2014, 05:58:14 pm

Just a quick note. Only 10 conversions have been cast. And I have no current plans to do any more.  Two went down under to Rickshaw, one to Kit, one will be going to Jaybee for his part in providing the canopies, and one was put togeather by me as a test run (ill finish it some day).

I've got one of your tandem Hunter conversions Martin (few years ago), what's the difference between it and these you're talking about ?

This new one is made with a new master and designed to fit the Revell kit.  Whereas the old one was designed to work with the Matchbox kit (and could be made to work with the Airfix and I'd assume Frog one as well).   This new one replaces the entire front fuselage.   It is also designed to be a more realistic cockpit depth and dashboard.  Which means you can fit ejector seats in it.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 20, 2014, 05:58:26 pm
p.s. I've had over a week of "Teford Lurgi" too... :rolleyes:  Travel the country, meet new people, catch their germs........

I'm afraid you probably caught it from me, terribly sorry.  :-\
Yeah, kit gifted the lurgi to me as well
I'm quite thankful I only shook hands with Kit now and didn't hang around the stand!  :o

I'm a VERY generous guy, it may already be too late......... ;D

Changing your name to Mary, are you? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary) ;)

No, that's Mrs_PR19's name.  ;D
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 20, 2014, 05:59:39 pm
   It is also designed to be a more realistic cockpit depth and dashboard.  Which means you can fit ejector seats in it.

Exactly, as I only found out this evening, well done Brian.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Gondor on November 21, 2014, 01:14:25 am

Just a quick note. Only 10 conversions have been cast. And I have no current plans to do any more.  Two went down under to Rickshaw, one to Kit, one will be going to Jaybee for his part in providing the canopies, and one was put togeather by me as a test run (ill finish it some day).

I've got one of your tandem Hunter conversions Martin (few years ago), what's the difference between it and these you're talking about ?

This new one is made with a new master and designed to fit the Revell kit.  Whereas the old one was designed to work with the Matchbox kit (and could be made to work with the Airfix and I'd assume Frog one as well).   This new one replaces the entire front fuselage.   It is also designed to be a more realistic cockpit depth and dashboard.  Which means you can fit ejector seats in it.

That means I have an early version as well then.

Gondor
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 28, 2014, 03:46:33 pm
Lots of progress on the T12 over the last few days. I cleaned up the wings, which was very little work after the inner mould runner was sawn off. The trailing edge flash almost fell off it was so thin.  :thumbsup:

I sanded down the trailing edges a tad, which will require some re-scribing later on but not that much, and then fettled the inboard edges a tad to get them to mate up with the new resin fuselage, but that was minimal too. The tailplanes needed a small trim on the inboard end of the elevators to clear the bullet fairing on the fin, but that was easy.

(https://imageshack.com/a/img661/4852/GdEx02.jpg)

(https://imageshack.com/a/img661/1682/36Vlt4.jpg)

That could not be said of the parabrake housing though. Because the re-heat exhaust in the Super Hunter conversion is shorter than the standard F6/FGA9 jetpipe the Revell parabrake housing looks far too long as it overhung the jetpipe by  almost 5 scale feet! That needed a lot of cutting and shutting and an equal amount of Dremelling to get it to fit nicely and a fair amount of PSR to fair it into the fuselage. It still overhangs somewhat but it's not too bad now.

(https://imageshack.com/a/img538/9593/gniS2E.jpg)

The wings and tailplanes were superglued in place and fitted beautifully, well done OGL and Rickshaw.  :thumbsup:

I used slow thick glue to start off with and then ran the thinner type along the joints and inside the intakes to weld the wings in place. The tailplanes only need a smidgeon of the thick glue and they were done. I also added the standard F6 airbrake as I'm sure a T12  wouldn't have been any different.

(https://imageshack.com/a/img673/8778/HSyIW9.jpg)

(https://imageshack.com/a/img661/1569/swKn0a.jpg)

I'm going to prime it before I go any further as there's bound to be some remedial work required, but the major part of the construction is done.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: The Wooksta! on November 28, 2014, 05:21:55 pm
Except there should be a NACA vent where the airbrake goes.  Production 1083s would probably have had the same side petal air brakes as the F3.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 29, 2014, 12:17:51 am
Except there should be a NACA vent where the airbrake goes.  Production 1083s would probably have had the same side petal air brakes as the F3.

There was going to be a NACA intake on the original single seat P.1083 Super Hunter, yes, and it's included in the conversion.

And the singleton real T12 didn't have TSR2 radar either, but this is my Hunter T12 and not a P.1083, and it's in my Whiffworld too....

Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: The Wooksta! on November 29, 2014, 04:17:56 pm
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Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Weaver on November 29, 2014, 04:22:45 pm
Wasn't the NACA intake for nozzle cooling? If so, maybe you could put a pair of small scoops on the side.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: rickshaw on November 29, 2014, 04:35:38 pm
Good to see the conversion being used, Kit.  Coming along nicely there and it looks like a bought kit, the contours flow into each other very nicely indeed!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 29, 2014, 05:10:51 pm
Wasn't the NACA intake for nozzle cooling? If so, maybe you could put a pair of small scoops on the side.

Apparently so, but on the T12s they bled off the boundary layer at the main intakes and fed it down the fuselage to cool the exhaust..............  ;)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Captain Canada on December 01, 2014, 01:06:09 pm
Looking good ! Reminds me of a lightweight Thunderchief.

 :thumbsup: :tornado: :wub:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 03, 2014, 07:59:31 am
Still making progress on the T12 between driving myself nuts with tiny bits of PE on G-VTOL.

I'm on the third iteration of PPSR by now (that's Prime-Putty-Sand-Repeat.......) and I still had some strange lumps, bumps and flats alongside the cockpit and where I'd glued the wings on. I think I've filed down the wing bumps by now but the flats needed some drastic surgery. The original tandem 2 seater nose has two 'flats' either side so OGL and Rickshaw's work exactly repeated the problem, so it wasn't down to them. I added some 10 thou packing sheets either side and puttied the devil out of the edges before mucho sanding and priming etc.

Hopefully I'll be able to post pics of the fully primed (4 coats....) airframe later this evening.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Thorvic on December 03, 2014, 10:04:03 am
Going to use a pair of Eduard Hunter F6 PE sets to detail the cockpits and seats?  ;)

Only kidding, looking forward to seeing it primed once everythings been blended together
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 03, 2014, 11:43:34 am
Going to use a pair of Eduard Hunter F6 PE sets to detail the cockpits and seats?  ;)

Only kidding, looking forward to seeing it primed once everythings been blended together

NO WAY! :o

I've got a couple of Pavla resin seats to go in there and they've already got their mould blocks sawn off and painted semi-matt black. I just need to find the single bristle brush now......  ;D
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 03, 2014, 03:19:46 pm
Doesn't look too bad in primer, the flat sides are nicely rounded off and all the excess superglue has smoothed down nicely. Now I can see the reheat nozzle properly I can see what a super job the Freightdog team made of it, it looks really neat.

With that long pointed nose it looks just as if someone grafted the nose of a Tornado F3 onto a Hunter.  ;D

Next step is to do the cockpit interior, just a paint job, paint the seats and install them and to give it an underside colour coat.

(https://imageshack.com/a/img673/5947/49bZmZ.jpg)

(https://imageshack.com/a/img540/6062/JtE77Y.jpg)

(http://img633.imageshack.us/img633/8294/0CL8m0.jpg)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: rickshaw on December 03, 2014, 07:16:32 pm
Mmm, I'd assumed that the fuselage sides would be flattened which seem to fit in well with the sparse drawings I had.  I agree it looks a lot like a Tornado F.3 nose on the front there.  It's coming along well, Kit.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 04, 2014, 02:15:54 pm
I think I used the wrong word there, I should have said 'waisted'.

The nose tapers inwards toward the intakes alongside the cockpit when viewed from above, and I agree the sides should be flattened. The taper looks all wrong so I added the styrene sheet pieces to reduce that while keeping the flats on the side. It seems to have done the trick and I'll take a pic of the original Maintrack nose showing the taper and my modified version on the T12 from above.

As mentioned in the G-VTOL thread I've done painting the resin Pavla seats and they're ready to be installed once I've done a bit of instrument panel painting inside the cockpit.

(https://imageshack.com/a/img538/4733/hSkd54.jpg)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 05, 2014, 03:35:18 am
Here's the comparison pic of the two noses I mentioned. You can see where the original nose tapers outward right alongside the divider between the two cockpit halves, and it was even more noticeable with the long nose. But it isn't any more.  ;D

(https://imageshack.com/a/img540/623/YgzeaC.jpg)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: nighthunter on December 05, 2014, 10:20:26 am
Personal opinion, the blunter nose looks better.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 05, 2014, 12:16:28 pm
Personal opinion, the blunter nose looks better.

It does from the side view too, but the T12 was intended to be a TSR2 trainer so my T12 has a TSR2 radar nose, thus the point. I may build a tandem T7 later on with the 'standard' nose, once I've got through the current batch of Hawker stuff.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 11, 2014, 03:53:54 am
As mentioned elsewhere I've trimmed the canopy to suit and did the 'Dip in Klear' bit which made it look pretty darn good. Then it was glued in place with some clear glue, not Kristal Klear as I find that just doesn't stick well enough these days. It needs a bit of cleaning up around the edges and may need a slight bit of puttying but it's not too bad. I'm surprised how much the addition of the canopy changes the look of the aircraft, it's nowhere near as 'Needle Nosed' as it was before.

I've painted the underside with two coats of Light Aircraft Grey, from my last tin of the late lamented Humbrol HX series of paints, and I'll give that a coat or two of Klear before doing the top side. I've started work on the wheels and landing gear and a right drama that is! The main gear anti-shimmy links are short moulded I'm sad to say and look NOTHING like they should do except from the front. A good thing they're hidden underneath!

(https://imageshack.com/a/img661/4296/Mr3x6L.jpg)

(https://imageshack.com/a/img674/3796/h94Iop.jpg)

(https://imageshack.com/a/img661/4905/szpMIr.jpg)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: kerick on December 11, 2014, 05:14:47 am
Wow that really looks different! Very cool. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: rickshaw on December 12, 2014, 05:49:55 pm
Interesting.  Will the demarcation between the upper and lower colours remain that untidy?  Not terribly RAF old chap!  ;)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: McColm on December 12, 2014, 08:04:20 pm
Wow, good work!
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 13, 2014, 01:47:30 am
Interesting.  Will the demarcation between the upper and lower colours remain that untidy?  Not terribly RAF old chap!  ;)

Noooooo!   :o

I've only painted the underside so far, just because I could in the general build time scale. Once the canopy is faired in (and what a pain THAT is!) I'll mask it up and paint the upper surfaces. I may get onto that tomorrow with luck.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Captain Canada on December 13, 2014, 09:04:20 am
Does that ever look different now ! Looking good tho.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 16, 2014, 08:54:29 am
Lots of progress on the T12.

Faired in the canopy's lower edges after 2-3 goes, masked the whole shebang and painted the upper colour, Humbrol HX series Dark Sea Grey. That needed two coats really and a bit of flatting afterward and then I did the HX Dark Green, which really made it look like a Hunter. A Matt Black radome finished off the major painting, and now it's decal time.  ;D

Oh yes, note the 6" overlap onto the underside leading edges, what a SWINE that was to mask on the tailplane!

(https://imageshack.com/a/img538/3306/8fG0Lq.jpg)

(https://imageshack.com/a/img540/46/H1ZIic.jpg)

(https://imageshack.com/a/img673/4964/3IWeok.jpg)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: kitnut617 on December 16, 2014, 09:02:39 am
Cor! that really is looking good Kit --  :thumbsup:


I'm thinking of doing something similar but following along the lines you have taken, I'd use Gripen style intakes though ---  ;)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 16, 2014, 09:19:47 am
Thanks Robert.  :thumbsup:

I was thinking of hanging a couple of drop tanks under it, but it occurred to me that the standard Hunter tanks might be a bit draggy for an aircraft that could exceed M 1.0 in level flight. I dug out a couple of 300 gal. Aero 1 series tanks from a Hasegawa TA-4 which don't look too bad, and mated then to the Hunter's inboard pylons.

What does everyone think of that idea? They're quite a bit longer than even the long Hunter tanks, but seem to fit the 'needle nose look' of the aircraft.

We could say the RAF got some from surplus US stocks at Davis-Monthan.  ;D

(http://img633.imageshack.us/img633/9040/B0Mz10.jpg)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: JayBee on December 16, 2014, 09:22:35 am
Yep. The longer tanks fit in with the longer nose and look very aesthetically pleasing, as any Hunter would.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Jim

PS Thanks for the idea for the tanks.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 16, 2014, 09:46:12 am
Yep. The longer tanks fit in with the longer nose and look very aesthetically pleasing, as any Hunter would.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Jim

PS Thanks for the idea for the tanks.  :rolleyes:

Thanks for the approval AND for the lovely canopy.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: kitnut617 on December 16, 2014, 10:35:31 am
Yep, those tanks look great, or even Skyraider ones
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: DogfighterZen on December 16, 2014, 12:31:25 pm
I like that nose on the Hunter, the original one is not bad but that looks much better to me.
Sleek and fast!! :thumbsup:
Paint job looks good too!
 :cheers:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Captain Canada on December 16, 2014, 01:45:13 pm
Very nice. Sure does look Hunter now ! Lovely work...the paint looks really well done. The pointy tanks are a plus as well.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 16, 2014, 02:45:24 pm
Lovely work...the paint looks really well done.

I LOVE that bit, as no airbrush was powered up in the painting of this model. As NARSES2 says, only 'hairy sticks' were used.  ;D
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: NARSES2 on December 17, 2014, 07:07:42 am
Like the idea of bigger/longer tanks but those look just a little chubby in the midriff (like me) to me. Something a touch slenderer would fit in with the fuselage shape better perhaps ?
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: TallEng on December 17, 2014, 08:18:55 am
I'm with Narses2 on this one, the bigger tanks are a good idea, obviously with
Reheat the engines going to be thirstier, but the tanks look too 'American'
Would it be possible to do something more in the shape direction of the drop
Tanks fitted to the actual TSR2? I'm guessing the actual tanks in resin from Freightdog?
Or who ever would be too big?

Just my thoughts....
Regards
Keith
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 17, 2014, 03:02:55 pm
I tried the high speed tanks from the TSR2 but they're ENORMOUS!

They're about 1.5 x or 2 x as long as the Aero 1 style tanks and even thicker in the mid section. Short of using longer Hunter tanks, like the ones used on G-APUX that I mentioned and built at the start of my Harrier G-VTOL thread, there aren't any alternatives available, and those tanks are anything but low drag.

If I could get some smaller versions of the TSR2 tanks they'd be ideal, but they'd need to be 1/100 scale or so.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: McColm on December 18, 2014, 12:01:40 am
Great work Kit :bow:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Gondor on December 18, 2014, 02:32:27 am
I tried the high speed tanks from the TSR2 but they're ENORMOUS!

They're about 1.5 x or 2 x as long as the Aero 1 style tanks and even thicker in the mid section. Short of using longer Hunter tanks, like the ones used on G-APUX that I mentioned and built at the start of my Harrier G-VTOL thread, there aren't any alternatives available, and those tanks are anything but low drag.

If I could get some smaller versions of the TSR2 tanks they'd be ideal, but they'd need to be 1/100 scale or so.

How about tanks from a Jaguar or Phantom or even a Mirage?

Gondor
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 18, 2014, 02:33:54 am
I tried the high speed tanks from the TSR2 but they're ENORMOUS!

They're about 1.5 x or 2 x as long as the Aero 1 style tanks and even thicker in the mid section. Short of using longer Hunter tanks, like the ones used on G-APUX that I mentioned and built at the start of my Harrier G-VTOL thread, there aren't any alternatives available, and those tanks are anything but low drag.

If I could get some smaller versions of the TSR2 tanks they'd be ideal, but they'd need to be 1/100 scale or so.

How about thanks from a Jaguar or Phantom or even a Mirage?

Hm, yes. I have a few Mirage F1 kits knocking about too.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: kitnut617 on December 18, 2014, 05:56:21 am
I tried the high speed tanks from the TSR2 but they're ENORMOUS!

They're about 1.5 x or 2 x as long as the Aero 1 style tanks and even thicker in the mid section. Short of using longer Hunter tanks, like the ones used on G-APUX that I mentioned and built at the start of my Harrier G-VTOL thread, there aren't any alternatives available, and those tanks are anything but low drag.

If I could get some smaller versions of the TSR2 tanks they'd be ideal, but they'd need to be 1/100 scale or so.

How about thanks from a Jaguar or Phantom or even a Mirage?

Hm, yes. I have a few Mirage F1 kits knocking about too.

What about those Mirage type tanks which have the rocket pod on the front, like on the over wing Lightning.  I think I've read somewhere they were developed for unguided air-to-air RPs which would suit your project ---
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 18, 2014, 08:02:51 am
The T12s were strictly only for pilot and nav training and weren't intended to cover weapons training, that was going to take place aboard the TSR2 trainers in the other half of 237 OCU. That's the RW situation, not from my backstory BTW.  ;D

I was also thinking of those Mirage 2000 tanks with the swollen front end and a  tapered rear end. I've got a 2000N somewhere in The Loft, the one with an ASMP underneath that has those included.

I've got the initial decals on the T12 now and it's starting to look 'alive'.  ;D More decals later today.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: kitnut617 on December 18, 2014, 09:12:45 am
Colin (Freightdog) does these Kit

http://www.freightdogmodels.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=27_29&products_id=813&osCsid=2b1bc1d36e94ffcd76b54c56303642f6

And Heritage Aviation does these

http://www.kitsforcash.com/mirage-2000l-underwing-tanks-192-p.asp
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 18, 2014, 09:49:36 am
All the colours in all the sizes.  ;D :lol:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 18, 2014, 01:27:02 pm
In the middle of adding some of the smaller decals I dropped the model............  :banghead:

The rear fuselage, the styrene bit, broke away from the forward resin bit completely! I've superglued it back together but there's bound to be some sanding down needed and some re-painting and re-varnishing. Ho Hum....
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: kerick on December 18, 2014, 01:30:40 pm
I feel for you! Nothing worse than doing something over again.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Gondor on December 18, 2014, 02:05:32 pm

In the middle of adding some of the smaller decals I dropped the model............  :banghead:


Oh C~@P  :banghead:

Gondor
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 18, 2014, 02:11:43 pm
Amazingly the top half of the joint shows almost no sign of being glued, it looks just like a panel line!  :o

The lower half needed a little sanding and it's re-painted nicely, phew! Back to the decals..........
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: kerick on December 18, 2014, 02:33:46 pm
Awesome!
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: rickshaw on December 18, 2014, 04:09:33 pm
Amazingly the top half of the joint shows almost no sign of being glued, it looks just like a panel line!  :o

That is how a conversion kit is meant to look, Kit.  ;)

Quote
The lower half needed a little sanding and it's re-painted nicely, phew! Back to the decals..........

Obviously the fault of the model builder, not the conversion kit...  ;D ;D
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 18, 2014, 04:35:46 pm
That is how a conversion kit is meant to look, Kit.  ;)

Quote
The lower half needed a little sanding and it's re-painted nicely, phew! Back to the decals..........

Obviously the fault of the model builder, not the conversion kit...  ;D ;D

Hehehe, I thought I'd be sanding down excess glue, but it only leaked out on the bottom, and not much of that.

It's all repaired now, re-painted and re-varnished and I've started on the home printed decals for the OCU itself.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Captain Canada on December 19, 2014, 05:01:19 am
Ouch.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 22, 2014, 05:36:30 pm
I've got all the main decals on the T12 now, but not without difficulties.

Amazingly the Cartograph printed sheet for the F6 decals, with the 3 colour roundels, was out of register! There was a 0.5 mm wide half ring of white round one side of the roundels, so they got junked. They were replaced by Modeldecal D Types which were perfect of course. I'm using the serials from the FGA9 as they are later ones and fit with my backstory of the T12 being lower hour airframes, and in addition they're black which suits the scheme a lot better than white ones.

Then I added a few stencils to the starboard side, just to see how it looked, and added all my home printed 237 OCU decals. These were the unit crest on the nose, the OCU 'Swooping Eagle' badge on the fin and the unit flashes either side of the fuselage roundel. There's loads of stencils to add yet and I may not use some of them as they are SO small.

(https://imageshack.com/a/img538/9075/LXwcTT.jpg)

(https://imageshack.com/a/img538/2136/I6x6rW.jpg)

I've posted a pic to show how long the TSR2 drop tanks are. To my mind they are FAR too long, but are the right shape if they were scaled down some, but I don't know how to do that. I've yet to decide on the tank to use, so many possibilities...

(https://imageshack.com/a/img540/527/FcoG4h.jpg)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: DogfighterZen on December 22, 2014, 07:01:11 pm
I like this bird a lot!  ;D Glad to know you managed to get the broken bit back in with no fuss... i wasn't so lucky on my F-16W, enlarged wings and intake with putty, dropped the thing a month ago while sanding...  :banghead: the result was new wings and a whole lot of PSR on the intake still to do...  :banghead: :banghead:
Anyway, i also think that those tanks are too long, maybe they could blend in better if you add some stabilizers on the rear... but i really think that drop tanks with a sharper front end, would suit your T-12 perfectly, IMHO, that is.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Weaver on December 22, 2014, 08:09:56 pm
Looking good.  :thumbsup: Glad you got over the droppage: that must have been a scare!  :o
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: TallEng on December 23, 2014, 12:27:13 am
That does look sharp :thumbsup: it looks quite Swift like in some angles :o
Nice recovery from the drop too, you can't see the join ;D
Just a thought: would it be possible to combine the rear end
Of say a Skyhawk or Skyraider tank with a more rounded front from say the Hunter 230Gal tank?
Or something similar,

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Martin H on December 23, 2014, 09:04:27 am
I've got all the main decals on the T12 now, but not without difficulties.

Amazingly the Cartograph printed sheet for the F6 decals, with the 3 colour roundels, was out of register! There was a 0.5 mm wide half ring of white round one side of the roundels, so they got junked. They were replaced by Modeldecal D Types which were perfect of course. I'm using the serials from the FGA9 as they are later ones and fit with my backstory of the T12 being lower hour airframes, and in addition they're black which suits the scheme a lot better than white ones.

Then I added a few stencils to the starboard side, just to see how it looked, and added all my home printed 237 OCU decals. These were the unit crest on the nose, the OCU 'Swooping Eagle' badge on the fin and the unit flashes either side of the fuselage roundel. There's loads of stencils to add yet and I may not use some of them as they are SO small.

(http://img538.imageshack.us/img538/9075/LXwcTT.jpg)

(http://img538.imageshack.us/img538/2136/I6x6rW.jpg)

I've posted a pic to show how long the TSR2 drop tanks are. To my mind they are FAR too long, but are the right shape if they were scaled down some, but I don't know how to do that. I've yet to decide on the tank to use, so many possibilities...

(http://img540.imageshack.us/img540/527/FcoG4h.jpg)

This is turning out rather nicely ;D

As for the drop tanks...how about those used on F-100's with out the fins?
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Captain Canada on December 23, 2014, 09:37:40 am
I agree those tanks look pretty big ! The model itself is looking good tho.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 23, 2014, 12:49:17 pm
This is turning out rather nicely ;D

As for the drop tanks...how about those used on F-100's with out the fins?

Thanks OGL.  ;D

And I must admit an F-100 is one type I hadn't considered and I think I have an Italeri one in The Loft somewhere.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: JayBee on December 23, 2014, 01:10:27 pm
Looking GOOD.
I do not think that F-100 tanks would look right as they are a bit fat towards the front.
Also they have that slight kick up towards the back.
No, I think you need a tank that is straight, fore and aft.
Think of how the Hawker design team would have looked at it
I can not think of any suitable kit to donate tanks for this.
Sorry,

Jim
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: kitnut617 on December 23, 2014, 01:13:32 pm
I'd copy your big Harrier tanks Kit --- or even modify a set of those tanks the Harrier GR.5 comes with.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 23, 2014, 02:12:15 pm
I'd copy your big Harrier tanks Kit --- or even modify a set of those tanks the Harrier GR.5 comes with.

THAT'S IT!  :thumbsup:

I have an Italeri GR5 but it only has bombs and stuff, but I also have a matching T10 and THAT has some parallel sided, pointy nosed, big tanks.  ;D

Oddly enough I looked out my 1970's built T7 (FROG FGA9 plus the Air Conversions nose) to act as a comparison for the T12, and it has big 300 gallon tanks! It seems I solved my G-VTOL tank problem some 40 years ago!  :o
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: The Big Gimper on December 23, 2014, 04:06:37 pm
Thanks Robert.  :thumbsup:

I was thinking of hanging a couple of drop tanks under it, but it occurred to me that the standard Hunter tanks might be a bit draggy for an aircraft that could exceed M 1.0 in level flight. I dug out a couple of 300 gal. Aero 1 series tanks from a Hasegawa TA-4 which don't look too bad, and mated then to the Hunter's inboard pylons.

What does everyone think of that idea? They're quite a bit longer than even the long Hunter tanks, but seem to fit the 'needle nose look' of the aircraft.

We could say the RAF got some from surplus US stocks at Davis-Monthan.  ;D

(http://img633.imageshack.us/img633/9040/B0Mz10.jpg)

You have my vote for the Aero tanks. They look "fast". Maybe thin down the fins?
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: kitnut617 on December 24, 2014, 05:42:16 am
I think we need a comparison between those Aero tanks and the GR.5/7 tanks 'cause I like that too Carl  :lol:

Just a thought, I've seen a plan view of the supersonic wing Hunter compared to a regular Hunter in the plan view and the wings are swept back quite a bit more, so shouldn't the tanks still be positioned in the same place as the regular Hunter has them. Which would mean an extended pylon --  :unsure:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 24, 2014, 05:46:10 am
The things I do for you guys, I dunno.............  ;D

When I've done packing up the Christmas pressies I'll take a comparison pic, OK?
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 24, 2014, 09:32:13 am
Here's a comparison pic of the Aero 1 tanks (bottom) and the Harrier T10 tanks (top). I rather like the latter ones, they have a more 'British' look to them, probably because they are.  ;D

(https://imageshack.com/a/img661/7883/RsH2pT.jpg)

Just for interests sake here's another comparison between the T12 and the RW T7. The T7 has lost much of its landing dear but a replacement white metal SAC set is en route from the Big H. The difference between the wings shows up well in this view I think.

(https://imageshack.com/a/img661/7225/WJbO5o.jpg)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Captain Canada on December 24, 2014, 12:15:35 pm
Great shot....really shows off the wing differences. I'll second the T.10 tanks.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: kitnut617 on December 24, 2014, 01:06:55 pm
Yep! Harrier tanks   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Gondor on December 24, 2014, 03:10:15 pm
Has to be Harrier  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 24, 2014, 04:04:10 pm
I've chopped off the Harrier fins and added a couple of anhedral fins, just like RW Hunter ones, and they're looking pretty good.

Thanks for all the opinions and advice guys.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 25, 2014, 04:27:45 pm
Lots of progress on the T!2 today while recovering from a VAST Christmas dinner at a local golf club. Not that I've EVER even touched a golf ball mind you, its just that they do a terrific meal there.  ;D

All the myriad decals are on, and are there loads of them, presumably trestle points and stuff like that, and I've done all the detail painting, plus added the windscreen bow etc. I used Rickshaw's technique of painted and varnished Tamiya masking tape and it works a treat, thanks Brian.  :thumbsup:

Whoever it was at the Air Ministry who decided that Hunters would have their underwing serial nos. painted ACROSS the landing gear doors should be SHOT!

a] It must have been darn near impossible to paint the nos. with the gear extended in service and

b] It makes applying the decals on a model a right pain!

I'm painting up the wheels, gear and the tanks now and that should see it done, hopefully before the end of the year.

(https://imageshack.com/a/img673/5833/mDH8ze.jpg)

(https://imageshack.com/a/img540/1779/nqGaih.jpg)

(https://imageshack.com/a/img910/5092/t98DWR.jpg)
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: rickshaw on December 25, 2014, 04:49:15 pm
I suspect, Kit that on the real aircraft they put it up on jacks and raised the under carriage to make the painting easier.

On models, I use a tiny bit of blu-tac and hold the undercarriage doors closed, apply the decals, future them and then carefully cut the decals and remove the doors and attach the undercarriage.  It's a paid in the bum but it's the only way I can think of doing it.    :banghead:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 26, 2014, 12:14:13 am
Revell kindly print dotted lines on the serials where you're meant to cut it into various bits, and I think you end up with SIX of them for every decal! But some of the bits end up with just a fraction of a letter or number on them, and I'm darned if they'll be visible on the finished model.

We'll see later today anyway.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: NARSES2 on December 26, 2014, 06:12:24 am
That nose does seem to be screaming out for some extra decoration - no idea what though ? And yes the Harrier tanks are a great fit
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: loupgarou on December 26, 2014, 06:41:13 am
I suspect, Kit that on the real aircraft they put it up on jacks and raised the under carriage to make the painting easier.

On models, I use a tiny bit of blu-tac and hold the undercarriage doors closed, apply the decals, future them and then carefully cut the decals and remove the doors and attach the undercarriage.  It's a paid in the bum but it's the only way I can think of doing it.    :banghead:

1) No, on real aircraft, they put the aircraft upright to make the painter's job easier.  ;D
2) Thanks for a very good tip.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 26, 2014, 01:45:21 pm
That nose does seem to be screaming out for some extra decoration - no idea what though ? And yes the Harrier tanks are a great fit

A sharkmouth perhaps?  ;D
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: JayBee on December 26, 2014, 02:13:05 pm
Is there ANY realistic option other than a Sharkmouth? No I did not think so.  :wacko:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: NARSES2 on December 27, 2014, 05:46:02 am
That nose does seem to be screaming out for some extra decoration - no idea what though ? And yes the Harrier tanks are a great fit

A sharkmouth perhaps?  ;D

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 27, 2014, 04:07:29 pm
I've gone through my vast decal collection looking for sharkmouths and I've come up with five to work with. The Heller 112 Sqdn. Vampire looks a good start as the T12's nose is quite small in diameter where the decal will fit and I've done some graphics work on a scan of the decal.

However the whole plan came to a grinding halt around lunchtime when my laptop decided it wasn't going to talk to my printer any more!  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

So now I've spent TWELVE hours trying to sort it, not helped by the manufacturers 'Printer Communications Tool' software having SIXTEEN pages of correction steps to go through!  :banghead:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Captain Canada on December 28, 2014, 06:37:49 am
Looking good. Love the way the serials under the wing look. Always sets of an RAF aero from that period. Beauty.

Sorry to hear about the printer woes. Computer glitches are the main reason I opted out of my big promotion at work. I spent so much time banging my head, calling tech, emailing tech, live chatting tech etc etc that I was never home. No thanks !

 :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :unsure: :-\
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 29, 2014, 02:04:33 am
The T12 is actually finished now, the very complex landing gear is all installed (8 pieces per side, for goodness sake!) the tanks are painted, decaled and loaded under the wings, I've added a pitot to the port wing, RE-done one of decals that got damaged  :angry: added some fin and nosewheel door codes that I found on a spare Vampire sheet and I've varnished it all over.

What I haven't done is added the sharkmouth as I can't print one at the moment, but I'm going to attack the printer once we're back from shopping this morning and if that works I'll add it. If not I'll post the finished pics minus the sharkmouth later today.

Oh yes, the backstory's ready and waiting too.  ;D
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: kitnut617 on December 29, 2014, 06:56:18 am
Can't wait to see the end result Kit   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Captain Canada on December 29, 2014, 07:13:32 am
SWeet. Look forward to seeing it all done. I fyou can't win the printer battle, just add a small white stencil or two to busy up the nose  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 29, 2014, 01:02:39 pm
Sorted the printer.  :thumbsup:

Seems that switching it off to 're-boot' it wasn't enough, I had to physically DIS-CONNECT it from the mains before it took notice.  :banghead:

Having sorted that I sized and printed off the sharksmouth and the eyes and applied them, and that's the job done. The last pair of pics show the T12 together with my refurbished RW T7, which shows how much of a change it really is.

(http://img910.imageshack.us/img910/3430/z1ZRI5.jpg)

(http://img913.imageshack.us/img913/6569/MLIcEl.jpg)

(http://imageshack.com/a/img673/5975/pv8J77.jpg)

(http://imageshack.com/a/img673/6541/lJLuPb.jpg)

(http://imageshack.com/a/img904/4466/DAUk8r.jpg)

(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/156/ziQ1HC.jpg)

(http://img905.imageshack.us/img905/1820/zWNysQ.jpg)

(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/4151/9QuwFA.jpg)

The backstory is here :-
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,39901.msg664928.html#msg664928 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,39901.msg664928.html#msg664928)

One thing I should mention yet again, this is a truly International Whiff with parts and work supplied by OGL 'Martin H', Brian 'Rickshaw', Colin Freightdog and Jim 'JayBee '. I only assembled and painted the bits, as well as thinking up the thing in the first place.  ;D
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Captain Canada on December 29, 2014, 04:51:47 pm
Gorgeous. Love that RW build as well. And as I said previously,  love the underside shots !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Weaver on December 29, 2014, 04:56:31 pm
Excellent job - looks really good now it's done, and that sharkmouth sets it off perfectly. :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 29, 2014, 05:29:46 pm
Actually the T7 is a Whiff too, although I didn't intend it to be at the time. I couldn't get the serial no. decals correct and the ones I had to hand made up a number one more than the last T7 ever built for the RAF.  ;D
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: rickshaw on December 29, 2014, 05:50:27 pm
Now, thats turned out very nice indeed, Kit.  You've brought together a very disparate set of bits and pieces and welded them into a nice looking whole!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 30, 2014, 02:39:01 am
It's down to you too Brian. If you hadn't have done the work to mate the tandem two-seater nose to the Revell fuselage the T12 wouldn't exist. I'd spent ages trying to do that already and had totally failed.

I'd hoped to take some pics of the T12 sitting on the frost this morning as it might have looked like a snowfall in 1/72 scale but it'd melted too fast by the time I dragged myself out from under the warm duvet!

Instead here's a couple of pics of '228 at Conninsgby in 1968, the first taken on the building site of the new ODS ramp while they were breaking ground. '228 was used to ensure they'd got the positioning marks correct for the two types on the OCU, and the second pic was taken on a very wet ramp a few months later............  ;D :lol:

(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/7173/IILg3e.jpg)

(http://img912.imageshack.us/img912/8431/zYdrqN.jpg)

It's a lot easier to get the whole airframe in focus in daylight as the lens aperture is smaller with the improved light levels and the depth of field is greater. I just wish I had some better backgrounds for such shots.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Modelling_Mushi on December 30, 2014, 03:43:19 am
Quite lovely Mr Kit.

... I just wish I had some better backgrounds for such shots ...

May I suggest two sheets of light blue poster card from your friendly newsagent, sticky taped together with a stick at the back to give some curvature. Cheap, quick, easy and more than adequate. I used this for about 15 years before I went and got a photo box.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: TallEng on December 30, 2014, 04:25:53 am
Thats come out really well :thumbsup:
The canopy reminds me of a Meteor NF.14. which i suppose might be
a way of doing a two seater Hunter....? you'd just need to extend the
fuselage a bit.

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: JayBee on December 30, 2014, 05:50:31 am
Superb Kit!  :thumbsup: :bow:

I love the Shatkmouth, and it's back story.

Jim
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: kitnut617 on December 30, 2014, 07:21:52 am
Terrific job Kit  :thumbsup:  I really like that.  Makes me want to start the tandem conversion I've got --- but I'd better not get distracted, got some projects already on the go that I really want to get finished first  ---
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: NARSES2 on December 30, 2014, 08:06:16 am
Really good one Kit  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: zenrat on December 30, 2014, 09:33:21 pm
Cool bananas.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Hobbes on December 31, 2014, 02:56:47 am
Great job, Kit.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 31, 2014, 03:19:44 am
Thank you gentlemen.  ;D

It's very satisfying when you've had an idea in your head for a while, and then all the bits become available at around the same time, and you build it and it ends up looking EXACTLY as you imagined it originally.  ;D

That second outdoors pic, the one on the wet ramp, looks JUST as I imagined it many months ago.

It's even better when you guys like it too.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Captain Canada on December 31, 2014, 07:52:03 am
Great set of second shots. Like this one more and more each time I see it ! In fact, I think I might head down to my LHS right now and see if that little Revell beauty is still on the shelf.....might have my own two-seated plan  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 31, 2014, 08:43:31 am
It's been OOP for a while now Cap'n, not sure why as it's a SUPER kit. But you've got two chances as it came as an F6 or an FGA9, the only differences being the tailcone and the stores.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: zenrat on December 31, 2014, 10:14:11 pm
...It's very satisfying when you've had an idea in your head for a while...and you build it and it ends up looking EXACTLY as you imagined it originally.  ;D...

I wouldn't know.   :-\
They never turn out as I picture them, sometimes (rarely) they are betterer.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 01, 2015, 08:22:02 am
Thats come out really well :thumbsup:
The canopy reminds me of a Meteor NF.14. which i suppose might be
a way of doing a two seater Hunter....? you'd just need to extend the
fuselage a bit.

Regards
Keith

Second that. Very subtle, I like it much - and the shark mouth is just the distracting cream puff!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 01, 2015, 08:45:03 am
I took a look at the Meteor NF14 canopy and it's pretty darn close. It doesn't taper toward the rear like the T12 canopy does and it also has a bow frame in the centre but I can't see that being a problem.

I have a normal length Maintrack tandem nose still 'in stock', which is where the T12 grew of course, and I'll see if the NF14 canopy fits.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: kitbasher on January 01, 2015, 09:18:26 am
Top notch, Kit, well done. :thumbsup:

Many years ago before I discovered hardcore whiffery (and before I knew the tandem T7 was actually a real Hawker project, I built a tandom Hunter using a Matchbox kit with a Meteor NF14 canopy. Was a close enough match I recall.
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on January 01, 2015, 03:07:41 pm
That's a really good bit of work - very convincing! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A different Hunter T12
Post by: DogfighterZen on January 03, 2015, 12:35:15 pm
 :thumbsup: The pointy nose suits the hunter really well! Great job! :cheers: