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Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2021, 10:25:58 pm »

Space? If you can thread your way past the towering and toppling piles to get to the bathroom and kitchen, even the bed if you insist, then you're ahead of the game...  :banghead:


That's SO much my situation at home too!  :o
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Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
« Reply #46 on: May 05, 2021, 06:35:07 am »
So No modelling since February?
That's a bit disappointing. Still real life job etc...
Anyhow, a very recent addition to the stash was Revell's New Mould Shackleton MR.3, It was always intended to be a real world build, but whilst researching Shackletons in all they're myriad marks and forms, I discovered 13 serials (in the XG's) for MR.3's that wern't built. That started some thinking :rolleyes:
What if the RAF perceived a need for a 2nd AEW Sqn.? say for use in Vietnam to act as AEW/Fighter control/Comms for the Hunters/Javelins/Canberra aircraft used by the RAF (assuming that Britain did enter/get involved in Vietnam) alternatively maybe they where required for the forward mounting bases around the world?
Well we've established a need for a 2nd AEW Sqn, but where to get the Aircraft? Can't buy new ones too expensive. Step in the Shackleton or to be more precise those 13 (unbuilt in real life) airframes, Maybe they where built, say for South Africa? perhaps there was then an arms embargo on said nation. Et voila we have some "spare" Shackleton...
now would it be the AEW.3 or AEW.4? What colour scheme? (perhaps the original South African delivery scheme) assuming an arms embargo was in place.
food for thought?

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Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2021, 06:37:05 am »
Certainly food for thought
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Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2021, 07:52:21 am »
You'll need a longer nosegear as there isn't the clearance for the radome underneath an MR3. I did an AEW from a salvage frog one some years back and ended up using a Vulcan one. It put me off the Shackleton MR3 for life.

The MR3 also had fewer airframe hours left on the clock, due to the higher weight and the use of the Vipers. I suspect any extra airframes may have had similar issues.

Canada and New Zealand were apparently interested in the Shattipuss at one point, so there's some alternatives. RAAF to replace their Lincoln's isn't a bad idea either.
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Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
« Reply #49 on: May 05, 2021, 08:33:25 am »
You'll need a longer nosegear as there isn't the clearance for the radome underneath an MR3. I did an AEW from a salvage frog one some years back and ended up using a Vulcan one. It put me off the Shackleton MR3 for life.

The MR3 also had fewer airframe hours left on the clock, due to the higher weight and the use of the Vipers. I suspect any extra airframes may have had similar issues.

Canada and New Zealand were apparently interested in the Shattipuss at one point, so there's some alternatives. RAAF to replace their Lincoln's isn't a bad idea either.

The U/C Clearance is/was a worry that I had: thanks for the heads up. I do however have the Radome from the High Planes TBM-3W Avenger conversion kit,(bought on a whim and because it was on sale at the time) which appears to be 'somewhat' shallower in depth, maybe cutting the bottom half of the Shackleton's AEW radome off and splicing the Avengers radome in will provide enough clearance, as I recall both are AN/APS-20 radar, although obviously of different marks and capabilities. me thinks I will have to test fit as I go along.
I know the MR.3 had airframe/fatigue life issues, hence introducing the unbuilt/built for SA but embargoed airframes.
And as you say, if I can't build it as an AEW for the RAF without too much bother there's always other options.

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Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
« Reply #50 on: May 05, 2021, 08:40:25 am »
The Shackleton radomes were taken straight off the AEW Gannets, one of the museum examples still has some Sky paint on it, and they themselves were taken straight off the AEW Skyraiders.

There may not be enough radar sets for the second squadron either, given that they were cobbled together from old airframes and radar cannibalised from the Gannets.
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Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2021, 10:17:45 am »
OK, lots of Interesting information there: :thumbsup:
 according to Wikipedia the RN had 50 Skyraider AEW AD-4W,
as replacements, 44 Gannet AEW.3 were built,
After the Gannets retirement 12 Shackleton were converted to the AEW role, so with a bit of Wiffology thrown in
There should/could have been enough sets left to be cobbled together for a 2nd AEW Sqn?

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