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GROUP BUILDS => The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B. => Topic started by: NARSES2 on September 27, 2017, 07:36:18 am

Title: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on September 27, 2017, 07:36:18 am
O.K. here's the place for any general discussions including regarding the rules.

Chris
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 27, 2017, 08:25:59 am
And in previous discussion the mods have determined that hovercraft and ekranoplans ARE eligible.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: strobez on September 27, 2017, 09:39:35 am
Do we get to ask questions yet?   :-X

First up is, I'd like to request a ruling from the mods on entering my Porco Rosso Savoia S.21.  I didn't realize that it would be a perfect fit for this GB so I started it, but got no further than cutting the main pieces off the sprue and giving the cockpit interior a single coat of paint.  It's been sitting untouched for a few weeks as I've tried to focus on getting my Sci-Fi GB projects finished... and remained that way in anticipation of this request.

All current work can be reviewed in the build thread - http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,44187.0.html
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 27, 2017, 11:20:18 am
Yes, questions are OK now. We'll cogitate on your S.21 and get back to you.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Old Wombat on September 27, 2017, 09:35:40 pm
Do we get to ask questions yet?   :-X

First up is, I'd like to request a ruling from the mods on entering my Porco Rosso Savoia S.21.  I didn't realize that it would be a perfect fit for this GB so I started it, but got no further than cutting the main pieces off the sprue and giving the cockpit interior a single coat of paint.  It's been sitting untouched for a few weeks as I've tried to focus on getting my Sci-Fi GB projects finished... and remained that way in anticipation of this request.

All current work can be reviewed in the build thread - http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,44187.0.html

We've discussed it &, if that's as far as you've gone, it's a unanimous "Yes, you may enter it" from the mod's. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: strobez on September 28, 2017, 12:34:13 am
Yay! I would like to thank the academy for their consideration...
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Old Wombat on September 28, 2017, 12:51:29 am
Oh, no! We're just GB moderators! The Whiffy Academy is a whole different kettle of fish! ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: strobez on September 28, 2017, 03:56:36 am
Can I also respectfully ask one of those fine moderators to move the Savoia thread to this GB section?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Old Wombat on September 28, 2017, 05:05:11 am
OK, I'll give it a try.


Remember, no more work until 00.01 Wednesday 1st November 2017!


Later: Sorry, strobez, looks like I can't. I'll chase it up with Chris.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 28, 2017, 06:00:31 am
Yeah, we moderators may be 'all powerful' within our own GB area, but for REAL power you need a Global Moderator.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on September 28, 2017, 07:16:13 am
I'll get the S21 moved.

Guy ignore my PM I replied to yours before reading this thread.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on September 28, 2017, 07:18:25 am
Can I also respectfully ask one of those fine moderators to move the Savoia thread to this GB section?

I've moved it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on September 28, 2017, 07:19:45 am
Looking at the stash I have an ideal candidate for this GB. Problem is, is that it's a vacform and I've never built one  :o

I may well start it and take my time with it whilst working on something else.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Librarian on September 28, 2017, 07:25:40 am
....and Airfix have timed their Walrus to perfection...and in the RIGHT scale :wacko: (bloody nitpickers!!).
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 28, 2017, 07:39:59 am

....and Airfix have timed their Walrus to perfection...and in the RIGHT scale :wacko: (bloody nitpickers!!).


Other scales are available of course.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: strobez on September 28, 2017, 08:18:54 am
Remember, no more work until 00.01 Wednesday 1st November 2017!

No problem.  I've got plenty else to keep me busy.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on September 29, 2017, 04:15:01 am
....and Airfix have timed their Walrus to perfection...and in the RIGHT scale :wacko: (bloody nitpickers!!).

What! They've released a 1/72 version?
 :o
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Old Wombat on September 29, 2017, 04:21:24 am
....and Airfix have timed their Walrus to perfection...and in the RIGHT scale :wacko: (bloody nitpickers!!).

What! They've released a 1/72 version?
 :o

He said the "right" scale, Fred. :wacko:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on September 29, 2017, 04:41:12 am
....and Airfix have timed their Walrus to perfection...and in the RIGHT scale :wacko: (bloody nitpickers!!).

What! They've released a 1/72 version?
 :o

He said the "right" scale, Fred. :wacko:

Yes, 1/72.
<sticking out tongue smiley>

Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Tophe on September 29, 2017, 09:14:26 pm
Are pixel works OK for this GB (without plastic/resin/balsa build)?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 30, 2017, 12:46:11 am

Are pixel works OK for this GB (without plastic/resin/balsa build)?


I would imagine so Tophe. but I'll consult with my fellow mods for a ruling. Watch this space.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Old Wombat on September 30, 2017, 07:46:52 am

Are pixel works OK for this GB (without plastic/resin/balsa build)?


I would imagine so Tophe. but I'll consult with my fellow mods for a ruling. Watch this space.

Unanimous "Yes", Tophe - & anyone else who wants to do any form of art, digital or otherwise.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Tophe on September 30, 2017, 08:45:58 am
Hurrah! Thanks! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Weaver on September 30, 2017, 11:18:57 am
I have it in mind to turn a fairly horrible Kora Be-4 into a Porco-Rosso support plane, however I'm making no guarantees that I'll find the time...

The model has horrible clear parts and the engine is a bit too 1940s for PR with it's long-chord NACA cowling, so the idea is to back-date it a bit with an open cockpit, small windscreens and an exposed engine. I did buy a resin M-62 with this is mind, but it looks lost on the huge engine nacelle. Hmm...
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on October 01, 2017, 02:45:48 am
I am planning the forced marriage of a Duck and a Firefly which will be christened either Direfly or Firef**k depending on how many threatening messages I get from the mods...
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 01, 2017, 03:02:18 am

I am planning the forced marriage of a Duck and a Firefly which will be christened either Direfly or Firef**k depending on how many threatening messages I get from the mods...


The mind BOGGLES!  ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: McColm on October 01, 2017, 03:21:57 am
Are you including alternative landing gear for this build?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on October 01, 2017, 03:31:58 am

I am planning the forced marriage of a Duck and a Firefly which will be christened either Direfly or Firef**k depending on how many threatening messages I get from the mods...


The mind BOGGLES!  ;D

I should prolly point out I mean Grumman and Fairey.  Not avian and insect.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Weaver on October 01, 2017, 03:49:13 am
I am planning the forced marriage of a Duck and a Firefly which will be christened either Direfly or Firef**k depending on how many threatening messages I get from the mods...

I'll hunt you down and kill you if you don't call it a Firef**k.

Mods: your move...  ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 01, 2017, 03:49:55 am

Are you including alternative landing gear for this build?


Please explain your thinking on this before we can make a judgement.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 01, 2017, 03:51:20 am
I am planning the forced marriage of a Duck and a Firefly which will be christened either Direfly or Firef**k depending on how many threatening messages I get from the mods...

I'll hunt you down and kill you if you don't call it a Firef**k.

Mods: your move...  ;)


I'm not sure that the naming of an entry is within the purview of the mods actually.............. ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on October 01, 2017, 04:48:37 am
I am planning the forced marriage of a Duck and a Firefly which will be christened either Direfly or Firef**k depending on how many threatening messages I get from the mods...

I'll hunt you down and kill you if you don't call it a Firef**k.

Mods: your move...  ;)


I'm not sure that the naming of an entry is within the purview of the mods actually.............. ;D

No. I think that falls under my remit  :rolleyes: ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: loupgarou on October 01, 2017, 07:32:27 am

I should prolly point out I mean Grumman and Fairey.  Not avian and insect.

Aaaah...I was thinkng the GMC Duck (or DUKW).  :banghead:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Old Wombat on October 01, 2017, 08:34:04 am
My personal opinion is to go for "Firef**k", Fred, but, as we generally try to be a "Family Friendly" site, I think "Direfly" or similar would be more appropriate.

But I'll check with Chris, Kit & JayBee to confirm. ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 01, 2017, 08:35:34 am
It's down to Chris I think, I'd wash my hands of judgements.  ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Weaver on October 01, 2017, 08:58:32 am
Suggestion: make the official name of the thing the 'Direfly' but then mention that servicemen gave it an unrepeatable alternative name by using the opposite Spoonerism and just let the audience figure it out for themselves..
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: strobez on October 01, 2017, 09:14:45 am
I have it in mind to turn a fairly horrible Kora Be-4 into a Porco-Rosso support plane, however I'm making no guarantees that I'll find the time...

You must find the time. I need to see this. :)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on October 01, 2017, 10:34:53 am
Will there be an Inspirations thread?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 01, 2017, 11:24:18 am

Will there be an Inspirations thread?


I'm sure there could be, do you have something in mind for it already?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on October 01, 2017, 11:59:30 am

Will there be an Inspirations thread?


I'm sure there could be, do you have something in mind for it already?

Yep, some hovercraft info, drawings etc. Primarily BHC at the moment. ;)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: McColm on October 01, 2017, 12:09:47 pm

Are you including alternative landing gear for this build?


Please explain your thinking on this before we can make a judgement.
There was the air cushion landing system fitted to a Buffalo. I used the 1/144 Airfix Princess Margret hovercraft skirt with a  1/72 C-130 twin-boom, twin engines from a 1/72 C-119.
There have been examples of aircraft with tracks instead of wheels.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: JayBee on October 01, 2017, 01:03:41 pm

Are you including alternative landing gear for this build?


Please explain your thinking on this before we can make a judgement.
There was the air cushion landing system fitted to a Buffalo. I used the 1/144 Airfix Princess Margret hovercraft skirt with a  1/72 C-130 twin-boom, twin engines from a 1/72 C-119.
There have been examples of aircraft with tracks instead of wheels.

Without consulting with my fellow moderators I think we would agree that hovercraft based landing aids for aircraft would be acceptable.
However tracks instead of wheels, look at the title of the GB thread. I do not see tracks working very well on water!
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 01, 2017, 01:18:20 pm
I'm in agreement with that yes. The 'No tracks' ruling I mean.

JCF, I've asked the Global Moderator, toward all due deference is given of course, if he can generate an 'Inspirations' thread for us.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: McColm on October 01, 2017, 02:33:15 pm
Thanks :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: loupgarou on October 02, 2017, 02:01:48 am
I'm in agreement with that yes. The 'No tracks' ruling I mean.

JCF, I've asked the Global Moderator, toward all due deference is given of course, if he can generate an 'Inspirations' thread for us.

Aaargh...so that means I cannot build a tracked-submarine-space shuttle ? (http://www.aerosoph.net/HTML-version_Forum_Archive/Smilies/icon_cry.gif)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on October 02, 2017, 02:40:42 am
There are plenty of tracked amphibians.  Just not ones that fly.


Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: rickshaw on October 02, 2017, 03:14:58 am
Damn.  There goes my plane to build a Soviet Navy tracked submarine flying boat...   :banghead:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 02, 2017, 04:00:52 am
I think you're reading it wrong.

What we said was that building an aircraft with tracks instead of wheels does not constitute an amphibian.

But having a flying sub with tracks would be fine I'm sure, even better if it can 'fly' into space...........   ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on October 02, 2017, 07:06:58 am

What we said was that building an aircraft with tracks instead of wheels does not constitute and amphibian.

But having a flying sub with tracks would be fine I'm sure, even better if it can 'fly' into space...........   ;)

Absolutely. Flying submarines fit the bill perfectly  :thumbsup: And a tracked one so that it can operate on land/on and under the water/and fly is genius  :thumbsup:

Someone does a kit of one of the Soviet flying submarine projects I think ?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on October 02, 2017, 07:09:43 am
Will there be an Inspirations thread?

I've set it up Jon and apologies for not doing it before  :banghead:

Chris
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: McColm on October 02, 2017, 10:53:49 am
Are skis allowed as an alternative to floats?
Convair penned a VTOL flying boat and something resembling the B-58 with water-skis.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 02, 2017, 11:47:37 am

Are skis allowed as an alternative to floats?
Convair penned a VTOL flying boat and something resembling the B-58 with water-skis.


Do you mean hydro-ski landing gear, like the F2Y Sea Dart? Or was that the one you were thinking of? If so it's a flying boat, so it's automatically in. If not please explain a bit more.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on October 02, 2017, 12:29:25 pm
Thanks Chris, no worries.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: McColm on October 03, 2017, 01:06:46 pm

Are skis allowed as an alternative to floats?
Convair penned a VTOL flying boat and something resembling the B-58 with water-skis.


Do you mean hydro-ski landing gear, like the F2Y Sea Dart? Or was that the one you were thinking of? If so it's a flying boat, so it's automatically in. If not please explain a bit more.
Yes a hydro-ski landing gear.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 03, 2017, 02:04:24 pm
OK, like I, and the other mods have agreed, that's OK because the aircraft is essentially a flying boat.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on October 07, 2017, 06:25:02 am
Think I've decided on my build, although I may work on the vacform Seagull in the background. A Heller Karas is going to get the floats from an Airfix Ar 196. All part of my alternative Austro-Hungarian history.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 07, 2017, 08:21:49 am
A Karas?  :o

One of the contenders in the 'World's Ugliest Aeroplane' competition, but beaten by the Blackburn Blackburn and a few other Brough based products.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Weaver on October 08, 2017, 04:46:37 am
A Karas?  :o

One of the contenders in the 'World's Ugliest Aeroplane' competition, but beaten by the Blackburn Blackburn and a few other Brough based products.

Funny but I've always kinda liked the Karas, the same way I like the A-10....
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Weaver on October 08, 2017, 05:11:38 am
I have it in mind to turn a fairly horrible Kora Be-4 into a Porco-Rosso support plane, however I'm making no guarantees that I'll find the time...

The model has horrible clear parts and the engine is a bit too 1940s for PR with it's long-chord NACA cowling, so the idea is to back-date it a bit with an open cockpit, small windscreens and an exposed engine. I did buy a resin M-62 with this is mind, but it looks lost on the huge engine nacelle. Hmm...

I was looking through the Porco Rosso art book last night and something suddenly struck me (no, it wasn't the book falling on my nose when I fell asleep, although that would have been an entirely credible guess... :rolleyes:). None of the planes in Porco Rosso have radial engines: even the sky-pirate ones that have 'brutal' styling still have V-12s, just semi-cowled ones with mis-matched radiators to make them look suitably clunky.

This means that my original plan to back-date the Be-4's radial engine installation was inappropriate. However, a solution has presented itself: the Revellobox He-70. This came with a choice of radial or in-line engines, and, since the aircraft was originally designed as an airliner, it had a fat fuselage even for the radial, which means the V-12 parts must, logically, fit on a large-diameter bulkhead. I test-fitted it this morning, and it fits on the front of the Be-4's engine pod perfectly...  :mellow: :thumbsup: All I have to do now is come up with a suitably 1920s radiator for it, but that shouldn't be impossible even if I have to scratchbuild it.

This is also MUCH easier that the alternative plan that I came up with prior to noticing the absence of radials in Porco Rosso, which was to replace the entire wing with the one-piece-tip-to-tip wing from a Lindberg Kingfisher (it fits through slots in the fuselage in case you're wondering) in order to get rid of the over-sized engine nacelle, and then have a new, slimmer nacelle, the diameter of the M-62's crankcase,  made from half a drop-tank supported on struts above the wing.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on October 08, 2017, 06:06:41 am
A Karas?  :o

One of the contenders in the 'World's Ugliest Aeroplane' competition, but beaten by the Blackburn Blackburn and a few other Brough based products.

Funny but I've always kinda liked the Karas,

Me as well - I've built at least 3. Sums up the era well to my mind and we now have the lovely IBG Models kits as well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Old Wombat on October 08, 2017, 07:40:23 am
OK, I'm at a complete loss as to how this plane;

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Pzl.23_2.jpg/2880px-Pzl.23_2.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/PZL_P.23B_Karas.svg/600px-PZL_P.23B_Karas.svg.png)

comes even close to being;
One of the contenders in the 'World's Ugliest Aeroplane' competition, but beaten by the Blackburn Blackburn and a few other Brough based products.

when it has the Blackburn Blackburn;

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Blackburn_Blackburn_II_in_Flight.jpg)

and the Avro Bison;

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Avro_Bison_in_Flight.jpg)

in 1st & 2nd places, & a whole bunch of other fuglies wa-ay ahead of it? :unsure:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on October 08, 2017, 11:21:27 am
A partial explanation as to why those things looked as they did, Avro Aldershot:

(http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS/i-HmqVbcT/0/8cda0355/L/AVRO_ALDERSHOT_01-L.png)

The RN aircraft include a navigator's room, thus the picture windows on the Bison, and
the portholes on the Blackburn..
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Weaver on October 08, 2017, 12:39:52 pm

The RN aircraft include a navigator's room, thus the picture windows on the Bison, and
the portholes on the Blackburn..

One might imagine it having a deep red leather buttoned chair, a pipe rack, an occasional table with a decanter or two on it, a book case within easy reach and possibly a small pipe organ on the back wall. One might also imagine the pilot, in his open cockpit, being a tad miffed about all this...  ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 08, 2017, 01:10:45 pm
I always think that the designer of the front of the Karas was having a raging argument with the designer of the rear at the time they built it, and they plain didn't talk to each other.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Rheged on October 08, 2017, 01:31:18 pm
For ugly, surely the birdcage noses of interwar Amiots score quite highly.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: CANSO on October 08, 2017, 03:47:35 pm
I always think that the designer of the front of the Karas was having a raging argument with the designer of the rear at the time they built it, and they plain didn't talk to each other.
Karas is a beauty queen compared to another polish airplane - the Zubr.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/56/d6/3d/56d63d43e0866167845bc7706e5b5ff6.jpg)
BTW the later could have floats too, but was never developed for the Navy.
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/1176/pics/29_6.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Old Wombat on October 08, 2017, 11:26:03 pm
When you consider how quickly & how well the Admiralty came to grips with the concept of aircraft during WW1, I can never get my head around what happened in the inter-war period.

The only conclusion I can come to is that ALL of the air-minded naval staff moved over to the RAF when it was created in 1918 (likewise the British Army), leaving only the dinosaur battleship-wallahs in charge of the Senior Service (& artillerymen in charge of the Army), as an explanation as to why the spec's for their "naval fighter-scouts" were so stupidly impractical.

The creation of the RAF, to my mind, put British naval aviation back 30 years, having to start from scratch in 1939/40 using modified land planes. It also put CAS back a similar timeframe because of the RAF's focus on "strategic" bombers.

Lack of funding, of course, helped no-one.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on October 09, 2017, 06:41:16 am
For ugly, surely the birdcage noses of interwar Amiots score quite highly.

Indeed some of them are truly  :o

I love the way the bombs on that Aldershot are hung tail down. Just seems wrong to me, but I suppose as they are probably nose heavy it would work.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 09, 2017, 08:42:53 am

I love the way the bombs on that Aldershot are hung tail down. Just seems wrong to me, but I suppose as they are probably nose heavy it would work.


Didn't the He-111's bombs hang the same way? I recall seeing a vid of them falling out and turning 180 degrees before heading on down.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: 63cpe on October 09, 2017, 09:36:35 am
Yep, your correct. Bombs in a He-111 were put in from below and shoved-up with a pole to lock. Got a picture of it somewhere.

David
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: kitnut617 on October 09, 2017, 09:42:40 am

I love the way the bombs on that Aldershot are hung tail down. Just seems wrong to me, but I suppose as they are probably nose heavy it would work.


Didn't the He-111's bombs hang the same way? I recall seeing a vid of them falling out and turning 180 degrees before heading on down.

Yep, I had a good look at the arrangement many years ago when one of those Spanish Merlin engined Casa's came to Calgary. For ten bucks I got to go through it (and a B-17 that came with it) and you had to crawl over the top of the bomb bay to get to the cockpit from the rear of the fuselage. The bomb bay was made up of a bunch of square tubes hanging vertically.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: ChernayaAkula on October 09, 2017, 01:18:06 pm
<...> A Heller Karas is going to get the floats from an Airfix Ar 196. <...>

That's just inspired.  :wub: Now, are you going to put the Karas' landing gear on the Arado? :wacko:

<...> another polish airplane - the Zubr.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/56/d6/3d/56d63d43e0866167845bc7706e5b5ff6.jpg)
<...>

AFAIK, Zubr translates to "bison". Could you imagine a plane more deserving of that name? Surely there's some beauty in that. ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on October 09, 2017, 01:55:26 pm
When you consider how quickly & how well the Admiralty came to grips with the concept of aircraft during WW1, I can never get my head around what happened in the inter-war period.

The only conclusion I can come to is that ALL of the air-minded naval staff moved over to the RAF when it was created in 1918 (likewise the British Army), leaving only the dinosaur battleship-wallahs in charge of the Senior Service (& artillerymen in charge of the Army), as an explanation as to why the spec's for their "naval fighter-scouts" were so stupidly impractical.

The creation of the RAF, to my mind, put British naval aviation back 30 years, having to start from scratch in 1939/40 using modified land planes. It also put CAS back a similar timeframe because of the RAF's focus on "strategic" bombers.

Lack of funding, of course, helped no-one.

The FAA was completely under RAF control from it's founding in 1924, made up of RAF units
depoyed on ships,  until 1939. Their Air-ships at the RAF had far more control over specifications
than the Admiralty.

The notion that teh RN was controlled by "dinosaur battle-ship wallahs" is not borne out by the
development of RN aircraft carriers between the war, if the "dinosaurs" were in control, why all
the advances in design?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Old Wombat on October 10, 2017, 01:50:14 am
OK, maybe some of the aviation minded officers remained.

PS: Don't forget the Royal Naval Air Service, formed in 1914.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on October 10, 2017, 02:26:01 am

I love the way the bombs on that Aldershot are hung tail down. Just seems wrong to me, but I suppose as they are probably nose heavy it would work.


Didn't the He-111's bombs hang the same way? I recall seeing a vid of them falling out and turning 180 degrees before heading on down.

Yep, I had a good look at the arrangement many years ago when one of those Spanish Merlin engined Casa's came to Calgary. For ten bucks I got to go through it (and a B-17 that came with it) and you had to crawl over the top of the bomb bay to get to the cockpit from the rear of the fuselage. The bomb bay was made up of a bunch of square tubes hanging vertically.

The advantage of hanging them that way is if the latching mechanism fails (or someone does a "what does this do?") and one of them drops out when the plane is on the ground then the tail hits the ground rather than the nose and it is less likely to go bang.

Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: McColm on October 10, 2017, 05:33:16 am
<...> A Heller Karas is going to get the floats from an Airfix Ar 196. <...>

That's just inspired.  :wub: Now, are you going to put the Karas' landing gear on the Arado? :wacko:

<...> another polish airplane - the Zubr.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/56/d6/3d/56d63d43e0866167845bc7706e5b5ff6.jpg)
<...>

AFAIK, Zubr translates to "bison". Could you imagine a plane more deserving of that name? Surely there's some beauty in that. ;D
Reminds me of the Whitworth Whitley bomber. If there's a pair of floats large enough, that's worth a punt!
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on October 10, 2017, 06:41:11 am

The advantage of hanging them that way is if the latching mechanism fails (or someone does a "what does this do?") and one of them drops out when the plane is on the ground then the tail hits the ground rather than the nose and it is less likely to go bang.

Makes sense and now the He 111 has been mentioned I can recall seeing film footage of both the bombs dropping and the bomb cells.

Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on October 10, 2017, 06:42:32 am
<...> A Heller Karas is going to get the floats from an Airfix Ar 196. <...>

That's just inspired.  :wub: Now, are you going to put the Karas' landing gear on the Arado? :wacko:



Yes. All part of my alternative Austro-Hungarian Empire theme.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Snowtrooper on October 10, 2017, 01:39:08 pm
The advantage of hanging them that way is if the latching mechanism fails (or someone does a "what does this do?") and one of them drops out when the plane is on the ground then the tail hits the ground rather than the nose and it is less likely to go bang.
But don't most bombs have tail fuzes as well, to guarantee detonation in case it doesn't fall nose first after all, or if the nose fuze fails?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 10, 2017, 03:19:09 pm
The advantage of hanging them that way is if the latching mechanism fails (or someone does a "what does this do?") and one of them drops out when the plane is on the ground then the tail hits the ground rather than the nose and it is less likely to go bang.

But don't most bombs have tail fuzes as well, to guarantee detonation in case it doesn't fall nose first after all, or if the nose fuze fails?


I think so, but they'd be arranged to respond to shocks directed from the nose to the tail rather than the opposite direction.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: kitnut617 on October 10, 2017, 06:18:04 pm
TSR2Joe has posted a drawing of a Skyvan on floats over at the Secret Projects Forum, here's the link to it but you have to be a member to see pics. (sorry I still haven't decided which way I'm going to go to post my own photos)

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,29444.msg316148.html#msg316148

Very doable for a model using Twin Otter floats, in real life the two aircraft have practically the same empty and max take-off weights.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on October 11, 2017, 02:58:07 am
I am fairly confident that a Skyvan float plane would need longer wings.  ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 11, 2017, 04:15:36 am

I am fairly confident that a Skyvan float plane would need longer wings.  ;D


 ;D AND bigger engines too!
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: loupgarou on October 11, 2017, 05:07:14 am
Why floats?
Like the flying model in the Secret Projects page, it's a natural for Dornier-style sponsons. Just a LITTLE bit of hydrodynamic fuselage underside et voilà!  ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 12, 2017, 12:45:12 am
A Heller Karas is going to get the floats from an Airfix Ar 196.

Checked the boxes in the stash, and I could join a sister ship, based on the (crappy) Mastercraft Karas with floats from a Revell Ar 196. Should be a "nice" combo.

I have two other potential floatplane conversions in mind, and an idea for a kitbashed jet-powered flying boat in the ranks of the USN Convair Skate project.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on October 12, 2017, 01:09:30 am
Why floats?
Like the flying model in the Secret Projects page, it's a natural for Dornier-style sponsons. Just a LITTLE bit of hydrodynamic fuselage underside et voilà!  ;D

Kitbash it with a Sea King - all sorts of interesting possibilities there.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Weaver on October 12, 2017, 05:30:10 am
Why floats?
Like the flying model in the Secret Projects page, it's a natural for Dornier-style sponsons. Just a LITTLE bit of hydrodynamic fuselage underside et voilà!  ;D

Kitbash it with a Sea King - all sorts of interesting possibilities there.

Had this handy comparison photo on file:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4454/23799688528_6e288bbe29_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Cg6Ceo)IMG_5244 (https://flic.kr/p/Cg6Ceo)

Note that the Skyvan is much shorter than the Sea King. You could probably cut the Sea King's boat hull off at the point where it narrows just behind the side door. The Skyvan's tail ramp would be 'interesting', but if Chinooks can do it...
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on October 12, 2017, 10:49:47 am
I always think that the designer of the front of the Karas was having a raging argument with the designer of the rear at the time they built it, and they plain didn't talk to each other.

The first prototype of the P.23 series had the engine on the centerline of the fuselage, during testing it
was found that this resulted in very poor forward visibility, the Pegasus engine was moved down on the
second prototype, there were still visibility issues, so on the third prototype it was lowered further and
the pilot's cockpit was redesigned: raised seat, higher canopy, and redesigned windscreen, all of which
led to the "hump-backed" appearance.

The aircraft was developed from an unbuilt concept for a US influenced fast, six-seat, single engined
civil transport, which was the same role, and same source of influence that led to the He 70 and Ju 60.

- paraphrased from Polish Aircraft 1893 - 1939, Jerzy P. Cynk, Putnam, 1971.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on October 13, 2017, 03:26:48 am
Usefull pic H.

You could put tip jets on the Sea King rotor and sit it on top of a pylon to make a Seavanodyne...
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 13, 2017, 06:58:04 am

You could put tip jets on the Sea King rotor and sit it on top of a pylon to make a Seavanodyne...


Hehehe, LOVE that name Fred.  :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on October 15, 2017, 07:18:59 am
To late for the GB but Tarangus have a 1/72 Short's Shetland planed for next year
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 15, 2017, 07:41:51 am

To late for the GB but Tarangus have a 1/72 Short's Shetland planed for next year


Lovely, and that'd be HUGE too! Far too expensive for me though, I bet.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on October 15, 2017, 07:46:10 am
I have seen a price somewhere (can't recall where now  :banghead:) and it was definately 3 figures
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Weaver on October 15, 2017, 07:48:06 am
Usefull pic H.

You could put tip jets on the Sea King rotor and sit it on top of a pylon to make a Seavanodyne...

I have a nearly-finished 'Helivan' (aka the Five Ton Bumble-Bee) upstairs, which is a Skyvan fuselage with Kaman-style intermeshing rotors made from two UH-1 units on scratchbuilt pylons. I was doing it for a Helicopter GB years ago but I dropped it and spoiled the paint when it was too close to the deadline to recover.... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: I'll finish it one of these decades...
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 15, 2017, 07:52:12 am

I have a nearly-finished 'Helivan' (aka the Five Ton Bumble-Bee) upstairs, which is a Skyvan fuselage with Kaman-style intermeshing rotors made from two UH-1 units on scratchbuilt pylons. I was doing it for a Helicopter GB years ago but I dropped it and spoiled the paint when it was too close to the deadline to recover.... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: I'll finish it one of these decades...


I DO hope so, that sounds awesome.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: sandiego89 on October 15, 2017, 12:53:05 pm

I have a nearly-finished 'Helivan' (aka the Five Ton Bumble-Bee) upstairs, which is a Skyvan fuselage with Kaman-style intermeshing rotors made from two UH-1 units on scratchbuilt pylons. I was doing it for a Helicopter GB years ago but I dropped it and spoiled the paint when it was too close to the deadline to recover.... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: I'll finish it one of these decades...


I DO hope so, that sounds awesome.  :thumbsup:

Indeed, the double WHOP WHOP WHOP sounds would be most impressive!
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Nils on October 16, 2017, 01:31:10 am
looking into the stash, i have a decent number of flyingboats i can use in either 1/144 or 1/72.
this can be a good opertunity to revive my cancelled Supermarine Walrus Mk.1 in early WW2 Belgian Aeronautique Militaire colors.
or the Martin Mariner in post-war Belgian Navy markings  :mellow:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on October 16, 2017, 06:08:16 am

or the Martin Mariner in post-war Belgian Navy markings  :mellow:

Now that would be nice
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on October 17, 2017, 03:55:17 am

I have a nearly-finished 'Helivan' (aka the Five Ton Bumble-Bee) upstairs, which is a Skyvan fuselage with Kaman-style intermeshing rotors made from two UH-1 units on scratchbuilt pylons. I was doing it for a Helicopter GB years ago but I dropped it and spoiled the paint when it was too close to the deadline to recover.... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: I'll finish it one of these decades...


I DO hope so, that sounds awesome.  :thumbsup:

Indeed, the double WHOP WHOP WHOP sounds would be most impressive!

You have of course built in a gearing system so rotating one rotor causes the other to move correctly...
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on October 17, 2017, 10:13:24 am

I have a nearly-finished 'Helivan' (aka the Five Ton Bumble-Bee) upstairs, which is a Skyvan fuselage with Kaman-style intermeshing rotors made from two UH-1 units on scratchbuilt pylons. I was doing it for a Helicopter GB years ago but I dropped it and spoiled the paint when it was too close to the deadline to recover.... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: I'll finish it one of these decades...


I DO hope so, that sounds awesome.  :thumbsup:

Indeed, the double WHOP WHOP WHOP sounds would be most impressive!

You have of course built in a gearing system so rotating one rotor causes the other to move correctly...

Steal it from the old Hawk/Testors 1/32 Husky kit, if too large copy it.
It actually worked OK on the one I built in the ‘70s. The kit was issued
in the early ‘60s in a motorized version.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Weaver on October 17, 2017, 10:22:18 am

I have a nearly-finished 'Helivan' (aka the Five Ton Bumble-Bee) upstairs, which is a Skyvan fuselage with Kaman-style intermeshing rotors made from two UH-1 units on scratchbuilt pylons. I was doing it for a Helicopter GB years ago but I dropped it and spoiled the paint when it was too close to the deadline to recover.... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: I'll finish it one of these decades...


I DO hope so, that sounds awesome.  :thumbsup:

Indeed, the double WHOP WHOP WHOP sounds would be most impressive!

You have of course built in a gearing system so rotating one rotor causes the other to move correctly...

Gearing? How quaint... Mine uses the latest in bio-engineered externally actuated synchronisation, controlled by an optical-synaptic feedback loop. :mellow:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on October 17, 2017, 10:25:32 am

I have a nearly-finished 'Helivan' (aka the Five Ton Bumble-Bee) upstairs, which is a Skyvan fuselage with Kaman-style intermeshing rotors made from two UH-1 units on scratchbuilt pylons. I was doing it for a Helicopter GB years ago but I dropped it and spoiled the paint when it was too close to the deadline to recover.... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: I'll finish it one of these decades...


I DO hope so, that sounds awesome.  :thumbsup:

Indeed, the double WHOP WHOP WHOP sounds would be most impressive!
b
You have of course built in a gearing system so rotating one rotor causes the other to move correctly...

Gearing? How quaint... Mine uses the latest in bio-engineered externally actuated synchronisation, controlled by an optical-synaptic feedback loop. :mellow:

AKA fleas that are trained to respond to flashing lights.  ;D  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Weaver on October 17, 2017, 03:55:32 pm

AKA fleas that are trained to respond to flashing lights.  ;D  :thumbsup:

Security concerns forbid me from confirming or denying this theory.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Caveman on October 18, 2017, 04:56:12 am

Gearing? How quaint... Mine uses the latest in bio-engineered externally actuated synchronisation, controlled by an optical-synaptic feedback loop. :mellow:

I bet the actuation system utilises multi segmented digits connected to a multi axis hub/arm...
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on October 19, 2017, 04:05:54 am
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on October 28, 2017, 02:26:33 am
Couple of days to go lads  ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 28, 2017, 03:29:40 am
Oooer, I better look out my special Moderator's Hat.  :-\
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on October 28, 2017, 06:09:42 am
Oooer, I better look out my special Moderator's Hat.  :-\

Is it anything like Mustrum Ridcully's hat?
 ;)

In recognition of the 100th Anniversary of the October Revolution at least one of my builds will have red stars on.
Probably the Duck kitbash.  This will no longer be mated with a Firefly as I have different plans for that now.  Instead I am toying with using an Airacobra and whatever suitable wings I can find in my "wings and fuselages" box.
The second build I shall start at the beginning of the GB will be a Sky Pirate Kawanishi H6K5 Type 97.  This'll represent the aircraft Captain Fat Hamster used after his Handley Page Henfield got too long in the tooth.  I plan to scratch up a solid "conning tower" which will support the wings and will contain a flying bridge.  it will have dingies slung under the wings and I may add a mast, crows nest and some additional engines.
I also have some ideas regarding a 1/35 AARV but that might take up too much time to really do it justice.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 28, 2017, 06:23:23 am
Oooer, I better look out my special Moderator's Hat.  :-\

Is it anything like Mustrum Ridcully's hat?
 ;)


NOTHING like that, no, but I had to look it up, not being a Discworld person. All mine are flatter.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on October 29, 2017, 07:35:54 am
Oooer, I better look out my special Moderator's Hat.  :-\

Most of the works been done in the set-up Kit. Should now run it'self until we get to extension and judging time  ;) Touching all the wood in my living room as I type that   ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: CammNut on October 31, 2017, 04:05:18 pm
I need a ruling re: an already started model - I started a couple of weeks ahead of the GB out of enthusiasm for the idea, but have made little progress, so now need to know if I can bring it in under the GB. Never done a GB before, and have never, ever been able to model to a deadline, but thought it might be worth the try.

Ah, the status to date? Floats from two vacform kits cut out, sanded to size and halves glued together. Interiors of two models painted cockpit green, but nothing glued together, landing gear wells in two sets of wings closed off, but wing halves not joined yet. Er, that's it so far.

Oh, I do have a title:
Fermat's Floatplane Theorem: 2 + 2 = 2 x 5. But Can I prove It?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 31, 2017, 04:48:34 pm
Can you post some pics of how far you've got with it please?

The Moderator's Conference will then determine if we'll allow it or not.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: McColm on November 01, 2017, 04:11:38 am
Hi Guys,
Are recycled builds ( built and  then kitbashed to form the one build) allowed ?
 :banghead:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 01, 2017, 04:21:25 am
Could you add a bit more detail to that request please?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: McColm on November 01, 2017, 06:23:38 am
Could you add a bit more detail to that request please?
I bought a 1/72 Airfix BAe Nimrod from eBay that had it's fuselage already built and painted hemp with the glazing in place.
I had already started building a second Revell 1/72 Blohm and Voss BV222A Viking flying boat which I had planned to use with a 1/72 Airfix Constellation Super G but didn't fit but the lower fuselage is roughly the same length as the Nimrod's weapons bays.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 01, 2017, 09:46:28 am
Could you add a bit more detail to that request please?
I bought a 1/72 Airfix BAe Nimrod from eBay that had it's fuselage already built and painted hemp with the glazing in place.
I had already started building a second Revell 1/72 Blohm and Voss BV222A Viking flying boat which I had planned to use with a 1/72 Airfix Constellation Super G but didn't fit but the lower fuselage is roughly the same length as the Nimrod's weapons bays.

Hmmm, that's a difficult one. I'll talk to my fellow Mods and see what they think.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 02, 2017, 08:35:47 am

I bought a 1/72 Airfix BAe Nimrod from eBay that had it's fuselage already built and painted hemp with the glazing in place.
I had already started building a second Revell 1/72 Blohm and Voss BV222A Viking flying boat which I had planned to use with a 1/72 Airfix Constellation Super G but didn't fit but the lower fuselage is roughly the same length as the Nimrod's weapons bays.


Two of us have discussed this and we both agree that you can't use secondhand models that have already been started parts for two reasons, 1) they've already been started to a considerable extent and 2) Someone else did the 'starting'.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: McColm on November 02, 2017, 12:38:03 pm
Thank you for your reply.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 09, 2017, 03:42:39 pm
Is there any precedent for external (drop) fuel tanks on a single engine piston fighter type plane?

I'm building a P-51 float plane and wondering if it would be goofy to put the drop tanks on. I took a quick stroll around google images and I can't seem to find any floatplanes with drop tanks so I'm wondering.  Did the floats ever double as fuel tanks?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 09, 2017, 03:50:29 pm
I'm not sure about fighters, but the Schneider Trophy racers surely did.

The Supermarine S6B carried all its fuel in the floats, apart from a small transfer tank in the fuselage. And the port float was longer than the starboard one to counteract the enormous torque of the Rolls Royce R engine.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on November 09, 2017, 05:42:33 pm
The S6 had asymmetric floats, port 19' 4", stbd. 20' 4", originally both floats were to the same shorter design,
with a downsloped nose, the risk of submarining being considered a livable compromise, the torque problems
led to a redesigned float with a longer, raised nose that was used on the stbd. side. A smaller fuel load was also
carried in the port float to prevent it from submerging.

The floats of the S6A and S6B were symmetrical port to stbd., 22' 0" on the S6A, 24' 0" on the S6B.
The S6A floats were a lengthened version of the S6 floats, the S6B floats were a new design. The
increased volume being adequate to reduce the torque effect pushing down on the port float.

- Schneider Trophy Seaplanes and Flying Boats: The Victors, the Vanquished and Visions, Ralph Pegram, Fonthill Media 2012

The A6M2-N Rufe had an auxiliary tank in the float, this replaced the auxiliary belly tank standard on
the A6M series.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 09, 2017, 06:28:30 pm
Very neat information guys, many thanks.

I totally dig the asymmetric solutions going on using longer floats on one side. Fascinating stuff!


Anyway, more to my question and in light of this newfound information... I think it's safe to to just not use drop tanks at all. Probably a good idea anyway because too much "clutter" may ruin the nice looking "lines" of the subject. In looking around I only managed to find ONE image of a Mustang with floats on it but it does look very good, to my eye!  It had nothing else going on, though, below the wings. I think that may be part of why it looked so cool.   :mellow: :mellow: 
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Caveman on November 15, 2017, 02:23:15 pm
Here is a train of thought I found interesting. “What if” someone converted a seaplane to a float plane and vice versa. So Sunderland or Catalina without a boat hull but a couple of whopping great floats? Heinkel 115 with a b&v style hull with pontoons? No particular reason other than for s&g
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 17, 2017, 10:24:17 pm
Y'all need to unlock the finished builds thread.  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 17, 2017, 11:48:07 pm
I've asked Chris to do that, I'm afraid I don't have enough clout to it..
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on November 18, 2017, 02:05:44 am
Y'all need to unlock the finished builds thread.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yup, my fault I'm afraid. I should of done it when the GB opened. I'll do it now. Sorry

Chris
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Tophe on November 25, 2017, 07:51:00 am
Is it possible to make an entry with a Lego build? (transforming the Lego flying boat) :unsure:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 25, 2017, 08:00:08 am
I don't see why not, but I'll ask my fellow mods.

Watch this space.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 25, 2017, 09:22:07 am
The mods have been locked in discussion for many an hour and have decided, by a 3 to 0 majority, that you can enter a LEGO build.

Are you going to glue all the bricks together though, as it may un-build itself before the GB ends?  ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Tophe on November 25, 2017, 09:43:45 am
Thanks. The model is already broken back by my son but I made pictures...
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 25, 2017, 11:54:18 am
Well ain't this a coincidence. Last night as I was drifting off to sleep I reached that odd, hazy stage where one can come up with either really great or really dumb ideas and I started thinking about ways to make a hybrid LEGO/traditional styrene kit build of some sort. Hard to explain what I had in my mind but it looked pretty neat. Would mainly be just the regular styrene kit but in certain places like the inner parts of the tops of the wings surfaces, the roof, and the like would have the LEGO surface as a stylistic thing. Wouldn't really be any construction done for the most part but "accent" pieces made of LEGO purely for stylistic reasons.

Then I dozed off. . ..    ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Tophe on November 25, 2017, 06:35:30 pm
Interesting, and not crazy: do you know the Airfix Quickbuild serial? They are like styrene models from outside, perfect, but inside this is lego parts, assembled by pressing them without glue, just like usual lego. Your way might be opposite, with lego aspect external, but this would simply complete the collection...
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 25, 2017, 06:48:06 pm
Interesting, and not crazy: do you know the Airfix Quickbuild serial? They are like styrene models from outside, perfect, but inside this is lego parts, assembled by pressing them without glue, just like usual lego. Your way might be opposite, with lego aspect external, but this would simply complete the collection...

Actually, this looks like something I DEFINITELY want!! I googled it... I'll have to buy all the airplane kits.  I had no idea such a thing existed!  :wub: :o


(https://i.imgur.com/fjv9kTQ.jpg)
Airfix.com

https://www.airfix.com/us-en/quick-build-messerschmitt-bf109e.html

Wow.. the kid part of me is going nuts... this is fun lookin' stuff.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Weaver on November 26, 2017, 05:43:53 am
Interesting, and not crazy: do you know the Airfix Quickbuild serial? They are like styrene models from outside, perfect, but inside this is lego parts, assembled by pressing them without glue, just like usual lego. Your way might be opposite, with lego aspect external, but this would simply complete the collection...

Actually, this looks like something I DEFINITELY want!! I googled it... I'll have to buy all the airplane kits.  I had no idea such a thing existed!  :wub: :o


(https://i.imgur.com/fjv9kTQ.jpg)
Airfix.com

https://www.airfix.com/us-en/quick-build-messerschmitt-bf109e.html

Wow.. the kid part of me is going nuts... this is fun lookin' stuff.

Totally off-topic, but that pic just made me think of a bizzare/comedy sci-fi weapon: the LEGO Gun. It makes things (and people) turn into Lego and then spontaneously disassemble, leaving their fate in the hands of bystanders who can either leave them in bits or reassemble them, possibly with mistakes and bit-swopping... :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

The effect would look a bit like the Oreo 'zap' in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSQrirdIa7A
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 26, 2017, 07:27:41 am
That's a winning idea if you ask me!! Sounds friggin' awesome. I'd love using that gun in some video game exploits. You ought to uhh... patent or whatever the idea and sell it to the people that make Borderlands or something.  ;D


::::totally wishes he could turn his furniture into Oreos::::: 
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Weaver on November 26, 2017, 07:53:59 am
The only video game I play is Kerbal Space Program: the ships in that don't need any help with disassembling themselves....
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 26, 2017, 07:56:58 am
The only video game I play is Kerbal Space Program: the ships in that don't need any help with disassembling themselves....
;D ;D ;D ;D

I'm just waiting on a sale on PSN to get that one myself in the interim until I can get a decent computer put together. I heard it's not as good on a console but then again that's how it always is. Sometimes it's just a matter of not being able to access mods but I'd be happy with just the vanilla game. Can't wait to start building something.

Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Weaver on November 26, 2017, 08:41:04 am
The only video game I play is Kerbal Space Program: the ships in that don't need any help with disassembling themselves....
;D ;D ;D ;D

I'm just waiting on a sale on PSN to get that one myself in the interim until I can get a decent computer put together. I heard it's not as good on a console but then again that's how it always is. Sometimes it's just a matter of not being able to access mods but I'd be happy with just the vanilla game. Can't wait to start building something.

I'd say you're missing out on a lot without the ability to use mods: the modding comunity is a big part of what makes it special.

You do need a decent PC to run it though: one of the fundamental limitation on the game is the ability to calculate positions and orbits over the kind of distances involved in real time.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on December 21, 2017, 02:10:40 am
Hello mods.  I've got one of these...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4737/25327326978_ea203f0045_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/EA6aVm)Northrop N-3 PB (https://flic.kr/p/EA6aVm) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
...with this much already completed...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4597/25327325788_6248e0f07e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/EA6ayQ)Northrop N-3 WIP 20-12-17 (https://flic.kr/p/EA6ayQ) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
...which to my mind is nothing really.  OK to include it in the GB?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Old Wombat on December 21, 2017, 06:20:07 am
Stand by! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Old Wombat on December 21, 2017, 04:31:28 pm
Fred, the Mod's have voted & the final result is .............................................


































............................................................. Yes, you may enter this build into the GB.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 22, 2017, 01:26:57 am
Fred, the Mod's have voted & the final result is .............................................


































............................................................. Yes, you may enter this build into the GB.

 ;D You've been watching FAR too many TV competition programmes.  ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on December 22, 2017, 08:01:03 pm
Bonza.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Doug K on December 24, 2017, 06:27:17 am
Chinese entry for the GB

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-42471045 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-42471045)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 24, 2017, 08:12:02 am
Chinese entry for the GB

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-42471045 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-42471045)


They didn't post any pre-build pics though, so I think we'll have to ban them.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on January 02, 2018, 01:54:03 am
Just to let you know 1 month to go lads
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 02, 2018, 01:24:17 pm

Just to let you know 1 month to go lads


Unless someone asks for the almost de riguer extension of course. <sigh>
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on January 03, 2018, 01:17:49 am

Just to let you know 1 month to go lads


Unless someone asks for the almost de riguer extension of course. <sigh>

Do you honestly expect to get away without one ?  ;D

I factor in 2 weeks extension plus 2 weeks voting time into my timings when I try and "plan" the GB season. This is why the yearly GB season takes about 15 months or so  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on January 18, 2018, 01:25:47 am
2 weeks to go to the "official" end lads
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 18, 2018, 02:15:57 am

2 weeks to go to the "official" end lads


And if anyone wants an extension we'll need to know WHY you need it. Starting your build late in the period will not be an acceptable reason..................
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: loupgarou on January 18, 2018, 12:18:22 pm

2 weeks to go to the "official" end lads


And if anyone wants an extension we'll need to know WHY you need it. Starting your build late in the period will not be an acceptable reason..................

Is this enough?

Jake: "No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare.  My tux didn't come back from the cleaners.  An old friend came in from out of town.  Someone stole my car.  There was an earthquake.  A terrible flood. Locusts!  IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftt4f2H3GDs
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: McColm on January 18, 2018, 12:56:08 pm
The Revell Airbus 380 turned upside down would make the basis for a flying boat. The vertical tail fin would need removing and glued topside.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 18, 2018, 05:25:29 pm

2 weeks to go to the "official" end lads


And if anyone wants an extension we'll need to know WHY you need it. Starting your build late in the period will not be an acceptable reason..................

Is this enough?

Jake: "No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare.  My tux didn't come back from the cleaners.  An old friend came in from out of town.  Someone stole my car.  There was an earthquake.  A terrible flood. Locusts!  IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!"

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftt4f2H3GDs


One of my fave films, and that's almost my fave line too.

You can guess my fave, it ends in '......sunglasses'.  ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on January 19, 2018, 03:20:02 am

2 weeks to go to the "official" end lads


And if anyone wants an extension we'll need to know WHY you need it. Starting your build late in the period will not be an acceptable reason..................

How about "I came up with an overly complex paint scheme"?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: jalles on January 19, 2018, 06:52:53 am

And if anyone wants an extension we'll need to know WHY you need it. Starting your build late in the period will not be an acceptable reason..................

How about "I came up with an overly complex paint scheme"?

Mine is "Everything always takes twice as long as I think it will".
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on January 19, 2018, 07:15:18 am

And if anyone wants an extension we'll need to know WHY you need it. Starting your build late in the period will not be an acceptable reason..................

How about "I came up with an overly complex paint scheme"?

Mine is "Everything always takes twice as long as I think it will".

Only twice as long ???????????
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Rheged on January 19, 2018, 10:09:28 am
"Gross incompetence on the part of the applicant for the extension"   as an acceptable reason??
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: sandiego89 on January 19, 2018, 02:25:19 pm
How about the old "Told myself I was not going to buy a new kit for this build, but got started and realized the ancient (Frog) kit was going to be a disaster and realized a mold from this century was required, but it took me a few weeks to get it....."

Surely I should get extra sympathy for still using parts from a Frog kit?

 ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on January 19, 2018, 04:30:14 pm
Surely a 4 week extension for anyone providing evidence that they are using a significant percentage of parts from Frog, Amodel or Mach 2...
 ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on January 20, 2018, 02:36:59 am
I'm planning an A Model build for the next GB. I also have a hospital appointment on Monday  ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 20, 2018, 11:22:22 am
Goodness, you lot certainly lay it on, don't you?  :banghead: :banghead:

But I've yet to see an OFFICIAL request for an extension.........
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: tigercat on January 20, 2018, 11:40:15 am
Will we need planning permission ?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 20, 2018, 12:38:14 pm

Will we need planning permission ?


That's for we Moderators to determine..............  ;D ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: sandiego89 on January 20, 2018, 01:07:59 pm




But I've yet to see an OFFICIAL request for an extension.........

Wheras, best laid plans seemed so clear
but open the box, and exclaimed O' dear
The paint was dry, the decals curled....

Our intrepid builder, suddenly sensed fear,
The seemingly easy build....turned to tension...
I hereby officially request, a two week extension....

Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 20, 2018, 02:04:02 pm

I hereby officially request, a two week extension....


At last!

The Combined Moderators will consider the suggestion in committee.  ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Weaver on January 20, 2018, 03:03:40 pm
Having started 18 days late, then having discovered that the original kit I started with was so nearly unbuildable that I had to re-cast the project into something much more complicated, then having been stalled by real world problems and distracted by internet drama, then having foolishly started on another 'simple' model for another GB elsewhere, I wouldn't have dared to ask for an extension, but I would just like to register how pleased I am that somebody else has... ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on January 21, 2018, 01:53:07 am
I too am glad someone else has asked for an extension.
Not that I need one of course.  No, no, no, I am glad on everyone else's behalf.
I certainly didn't hit a snag today with the Sky Pirate Kawanishi that requires a redesign of the flying bridge...
 :angel:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 21, 2018, 03:17:16 am
The Combined Moderators have been in deep discussion over this vexed problem much of the night, despite one of the aforesaid Moderators having a streaming cold and sneezing ten times per minute.

We have decided that the previously applied for 2 week extension will be GRANTED!
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on January 21, 2018, 04:50:03 am
So finishes on Valentines Day then. 14th February, Midnight. ?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 21, 2018, 08:50:41 am

So finishes on Valentines Day then. 14th February, Midnight. ?


Midnight GMT, yes.

WRONG!
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 21, 2018, 11:58:16 pm
Sorry, got that timing totally round my neck.  :banghead:

The GB end time will be 0001 LOCAL time on Feb 14th wherever you are.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on January 22, 2018, 01:47:49 am
Phew.

Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 01, 2018, 09:34:09 pm
Less than two weeks to go on this one gentlemen, no matter where you are.....  ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on February 02, 2018, 12:12:28 am
I should just scrape in under the line...
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on February 08, 2018, 06:35:49 am
Just under a week to go lads
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: McColm on February 08, 2018, 09:41:08 am
I might be able to finish my 1/72 Consolidated Catalina turboprop on time.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 08, 2018, 10:46:32 am

Just under a week to go lads


You beat me to it.  ;D

Shall we have a countdown toward noon on the 15th GMT, which will be the end of the GB for anyone building in Hawaii or the Aluetians?  ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: sandiego89 on February 08, 2018, 01:13:38 pm
So if I started my build on Western Samoa, and paddled my dugout canoe to American Samoa and finished there, I could get an extra day of build time..... ;D

I was thinking the Diomede Islands might be closer together, but my paint might freeze....
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 08, 2018, 01:47:35 pm
Yes, you could indeed.

We'll await seeing the build with great interest.  ;)
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: NARSES2 on February 09, 2018, 06:14:17 am
So if I started my build on Western Samoa, and paddled my dugout canoe to American Samoa and finished there, I could get an extra day of build time..... ;D



Yup  ;D :thumbsup:

I've actually done that trip and it's amazing the difference so relatively few miles make. It's almost like travelling back in time (I did American S to Western S) they really are chalk and cheese.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: nighthunter on February 11, 2018, 08:46:43 am
Query for the Admin, if I drew something in MS Paint a while ago, but converted it to a seaplane, would that count?
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 11, 2018, 09:04:05 am
I'll converse with my fellow mods, but I suspect not, on the grounds that you'd already done some previous work on the subject.

Watch this space.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: nighthunter on February 11, 2018, 01:11:48 pm
Okay
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 11, 2018, 11:35:20 pm
We're all of the same mind, if you can show that you've stripped all the colour or details of the artwork back to basics before you do the conversion we'd allow it. But we doubt you can manage this in the two days left for the GB.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: zenrat on February 12, 2018, 01:20:14 am
Or, if you draw huge floats so they, as the new work are like 90% of the finished aircraft then wouldn't that be OK?
 ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 12, 2018, 02:08:35 am

Or, if you draw huge floats so they, as the new work are like 90% of the finished aircraft then wouldn't that be OK?
 ;D


NO!
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 12, 2018, 10:59:48 pm
Less than 24 hrs to go now people, and in the Antipodes the GB's only got 4 hours o go.

Well, in New Zealand anyway...........
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Old Wombat on February 13, 2018, 06:29:55 am
0100hrs here in Adelaide, so only rickshaw has any chance of entering anything else from Aus, if he builds really quickly (about 90 minutes left for him).
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 13, 2018, 11:51:39 pm
Just over an hour to go on the west coast of the USA.

Hawaiian modellers have a little more time to finish..........  ;D
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: Weaver on February 14, 2018, 06:08:18 am
Sorry, there was no realistic chance of mine being finished. Escalating problems with the build, consequent indecision as to how to proceed, other modelling projects, non-modelling problems and the usual procrastination, easy-distraction and sheer laziness all played their part... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: maxmwill on July 01, 2019, 04:14:56 pm
If this is a discussion thread on the flying boat, among others, I'd like to try to discuss something that may or may not yet be extant on the internet. I'm referring to a pair of designs by RJ Mitchell for Air Ministry specification R2/33, which the Sunderland was a result of. Mitchell's contribution was under Type 232. It was a gull winged 4 engine patrol recon flying boat with 4 Goshawk engines, and instead of wing mounted floats, it was to have sponsons, ala Martin Clipper, and was to be armed with a 37mmCOW gun, 3 Lewis guns, as well as accommodations for 2 450 - 500lb or 4 100-250lb bombs, plus 4 20lb bombs on each side.

This was oultlined in Ralph Pegram's "Beyond the Spitfire, the unseen designs of RJ Mitchell.

I've tried looking in the internet to no avail, so if anyone get lucky, please share.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 01, 2019, 04:35:31 pm

If this is a discussion thread on the flying boat, among others.....


It isn't, or it wasn't anyway.

It was a discussion thread for a Flying Boat and Amphibian GROUP BUILD that we ran last year.

General discussions like this should be under  'Hot Research Topics' elsewhere in the forum.
Title: Re: The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B - Discussion thread
Post by: maxmwill on July 01, 2019, 05:20:51 pm
Thanks