Humbrol Enamels

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Rick Lowe

Quote from: NARSES2 on December 21, 2020, 06:27:36 AM
Quote from: Rick Lowe on December 20, 2020, 01:30:26 PM
There's a reason it's called 'The Great Game'...

Ah right, I thought that had ended around the start of the Great War, for GB anyway, but come to think of it Boris could be having some more delusions ?  ;) :angel:

Ooohhh no; that 'Game' has been going on since probably before the dawn of recorded history, and shows no signs of ever losing its' popularity...

NARSES2

Quote from: Rick Lowe on December 21, 2020, 01:13:25 PM

Ooohhh no; that 'Game' has been going on since probably before the dawn of recorded history, and shows no signs of ever losing its' popularity...

True. I was being far to Anglo-centric and thinking in terms of UK/Russia and Afghanistan and surrounding locals.

You've now got me thinking of when and where the various rounds were played  ;D
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Quote from: NARSES2 on December 22, 2020, 06:16:24 AM
Quote from: Rick Lowe on December 21, 2020, 01:13:25 PM

Ooohhh no; that 'Game' has been going on since probably before the dawn of recorded history, and shows no signs of ever losing its' popularity...

True. I was being far to Anglo-centric and thinking in terms of UK/Russia and Afghanistan and surrounding locals.

You've now got me thinking of when and where the various rounds were played  ;D

I've a few ideas, but they'll send this thread drifting further out to sea.
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Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 19, 2020, 07:38:41 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if Boris didn't 'miraculously' pull off an agreement with the EU.

Wholly to make him appear as the 'saviour of the day' and thus to try and avoid getting totally walloped in the next General Election.

We're being told fishing is the main sticking point along with other minor issues. One of those minor issues is the reason Brexit became a thing - Companies and Individuals using off-shore tax havens for commercial advantage.

Short term vanity or long term financial gains? I wonder which way the Tories will go.....

BOT More recent Humbrol paints made in China and elsewhere have a well deserved bad reputation. This is due to different colours being made in different types of paint base many of which won't mix well. But they're cheap to make and Humbrol's QC wasn't up to much. Add in the variation between batches as different compounds used to colour the paint react again and it's a mess.

I can't use acrylics - instant migraine trigger (which took a while to track down as the migraine happened up to 8 hours later). But Humbrol is no longer an issue. Go to   https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/ and buy proper paint like what we used to get. I've not looked back since.

For a satin finish I swear by this stuff https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Spray-Munitorum-Varnish-Global-2019. If you're after a dead matt finish for fabric etc. look at this https://culturehustle.com/collections/potions/products/coat-the-mattest-mattifying-protective-membrane-240ml they also offer a chrome paint and a very, very black black perfect for hiding the lack of interior detail. In both cases ensure the paint is fully dry, there is no decal solution present and then apply with 2-3 mist coats rather than one wet coat (which can soften the top layers of paint and then crack it as it dries out.

Final tip. Store paint cans lid down. SleeperDad has tins 40+ years old still workable, oh, and wipe the contact rims before putting the lid on. Dad always puts the lid paint side down on three nails bashed through a block of wood.


NARSES2

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Quote from: SleeperService on December 23, 2020, 02:08:58 AM

I can't use acrylics - instant migraine trigger (which took a while to track down as the migraine happened up to 8 hours later). But Humbrol is no longer an issue. Go to   https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/ and buy proper paint like what we used to get. I've not looked back since.

Final tip. Store paint cans lid down. SleeperDad has tins 40+ years old still workable, oh, and wipe the contact rims before putting the lid on. Dad always puts the lid paint side down on three nails bashed through a block of wood.

First time I've heard of acrylics having such an effect. How long did it take too make the link ?

Totaly concur re Colourcoats. I mainly use acrylics but for some specific colours I turn to them,superb paints  :bow:. Also concur with making sure the lid rim is clean before putting it back on. Sometimes I'll drop the lid in cleaner/thinners whilst I'm using the pot just to make sure. I've still got lots of tins of Humbrol Metalcoat and Authentics which are still perfectly usable  :thumbsup:
Decals my @r$e!

SleeperService

Quote from: NARSES2 on December 23, 2020, 06:14:05 AM
Quote from: SleeperService on December 23, 2020, 02:08:58 AM

I can't use acrylics - instant migraine trigger (which took a while to track down as the migraine happened up to 8 hours later).
First time I've heard of acrylics having such an effect. How long did it take too make the link ?


15 months plus 3 to make sure. The reaction spot tests pointed that way from the off but the specialists chased down other options until that was all that was left. I'd told them that fresh paint in a room meant I stayed clear for a few days otherwise I'd get a nose bleed at the start. Acrylic paint has solvents which evaporate leaving a shrunk-wrapped very thin film. It's not common but it is usually quite severe. Apparently about 5000 in the UK, most in family clusters (my sister is affected too) so not that widespread. Acetic acid does exactly the same (even as vinegar) to me. I have a deal with an arty neighbour. She does my varnishing and I cook anything with onions in it for her, she gets the same from the smell of them, another rare reaction but it works out OK.

'Take a little care of things and they'll last' was hammered into me at an early age. 

NARSES2

Fascinating. The specialists who work in this field must have to have the patience of the proverbial saint coupled with perseverance by the bucket load. Not easy on you whilst it was all going on, but glad they were able to confirm it in the end  :thumbsup:
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kitnut617

So after chatting with the LMS guys, asking about what they had available, I went to the shop yesterday and bought 20 tinlets of the ones I use mostly. Most though had already gone so I grabbed what I thought would be useful. The ones that were left were mostly the gaudy bright coloured things which will probably still be there in 10-15 years time ----
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SleeperService

Quote from: NARSES2 on December 24, 2020, 06:08:43 AM
Fascinating. The specialists who work in this field must have to have the patience of the proverbial saint coupled with perseverance by the bucket load. Not easy on you whilst it was all going on, but glad they were able to confirm it in the end  :thumbsup:

Apparently I'll be a case study in the new text book on the subject my Lead Specialist is part-authoring. They were happier than me when I had my last visit, and I was over the moon. Our NHS is a marvellous thing and we MUST keep it and sort out the chronic overmanning in non-medical areas.

kitnut617

Quote from: NARSES2 on December 20, 2020, 06:16:35 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 19, 2020, 07:38:41 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if Boris didn't 'miraculously' pull off an agreement with the EU.


I wouldn't be surprised at all Kit.

You guys have an inside line to Boris or something ?
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: kitnut617 on December 24, 2020, 12:17:08 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 20, 2020, 06:16:35 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 19, 2020, 07:38:41 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if Boris didn't 'miraculously' pull off an agreement with the EU.


I wouldn't be surprised at all Kit.

You guys have an inside line to Boris or something ?


No, but I'm a died-on-the-wool cynic when it comes to UK politicians.

And he has, of course, done EXACTLY that.  :-\
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NARSES2

Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 24, 2020, 12:51:57 PM
Quote from: kitnut617 on December 24, 2020, 12:17:08 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on December 20, 2020, 06:16:35 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 19, 2020, 07:38:41 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if Boris didn't 'miraculously' pull off an agreement with the EU.


I wouldn't be surprised at all Kit.

You guys have an inside line to Boris or something ?


No, but I'm a died-on-the-wool cynic when it comes to UK politicians.

And he has, of course, done EXACTLY that.  :-\

I'm a died-in-the-wool-cynic about all politicians I'm afraid, and it still has to be signed off.

They couldn't even agree about the size of the thing, first it was 6,000 pages, then 2,000, now it's 1,500 and Boris has suggested we all read it after out Christmas Lunch !  :banghead: Whatever he's been drinking, I'll have a double  ;D

Having had to go through each morning's Official EU Journal, which I'm glad to see still have the same pink detailing and could run from 5/6 pages to 1,000's, the main text of the agreement is probably in 1,500 pages and then all the other specific details (individual fish species quotas etc) are probably in a 4,500 page annex. Wouldn't like to proof read that  :angel:
Decals my @r$e!

NARSES2

Quote from: SleeperService on December 24, 2020, 08:55:08 AM
Our NHS is a marvellous thing and we MUST keep it and sort out the chronic overmanning in non-medical areas.

Totally agree. I was born into it's early years and have often said to people that it's this Nation's greatest achievement since the Second World War and possibly since before that.
Decals my @r$e!

PR19_Kit

I've just seen this on a model railway forum, and it was coped from Britmodeller.

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Humbrol Enamel Paints and Test Valley Models

We have received information from Hornby with regard to the current situation with their Humbrol branded enamel paints.  Their statement is as follows:

"The CLP (Classification, Labelling & Packaging) Regulation regularly assesses and occasionally reclassifies chemicals. "Meko", a popular anti-skinning agent, extensively used in the paint industry has been reclassified under CLP.  The change in classification resulted in the substance being phased out for supply to the consumer in Europe. The affected paint cannot be sold to the general public after 1st March 2022 under the REACH Regulation.

Customers are advised not to continue to use Humbrol enamels until further notice, and to seek alternative paints.


Test Valley Models has by law had to remove all Humbrol enamel paints from sale.

Humbrol are NOT offering retailers a credit or any form of reimbursement for stock purchased before 1st January 2022

As such from March 30th 2022 Test Valley Models will no longer sell any Humbrol products.

As Humbrol are part of the Hornby group of companies, Test Valley Models is also considering it's position in stocking ANY Hornby group related products.


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So if this 'Meko' stuff is so ruddy dangerous, how come I'm still alive as I've been using Humbrol enamel since I was 11!?
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit