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Piston/Jet Provost & Strikemaster

Started by Mossie, October 20, 2009, 09:19:44 AM

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Mossie

Always loved the JP since I saw them as a kid while on holiday at Llandudno (not to far from RAF Valley), my Dad made us models of them from the wrappers of breakaway biscuits!

First thoughts:

Swept wing JP/Strikemaster as a Gnat alternative.

Single seat, might look a little like the GAF Pika version of the Jindivik.

Indian Air Force, HAL license building them instead of producing the (very similar) Kiran.

P.164.  One version looked very much like a revised JP with a slightly swept high wing.  More on Secret Projects:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3803.0/highlight,strikemaster.html



Any thoughts?

Simon.
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Mossie

I guess you could produce a single seat JP in a number of ways.  If you want to go the whole hog, build a whole new slimmer fuselage more suited to the single seat to eek a bit more performance.  That way you'd end up with something not far off the Pika I mentioned:



The more likely way would be produce a single seat aircraft using the existing fuselage like your photobash Apo.  This is probably more desireable, the performance of the JP is already adequate for strike missions (hence the Strikemaster), it's less work & you could use the additional space for fuel.  You could shift the single cockpit onto the centreline, or mount it asymetrically like the Sea Vixen.

I had a look at my Airfix kit & it'd take a fair change to add in a new canopy as the fuse is shaped to fit it.  As to which canopies to use, this might differ wether it was a JP T.3/4 or T.5 you were using.  For a T.3/4/51/52 you could maybe use one from a Mirage III?  For a T.5/55/Strikemaster, with the way the canopy slides you could maybe use one from a Harrier I?
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Mossie

I've had a little look at swept wings too.  The Gnat is a bit too thin & seems a little too short in span.  The wings from a Gina seem to fit reasonably well in thickness & span, not sure how I'd go about the undercarriage though.
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DarrenP

what other users would we like to see for the Strikemaster?
for me Ireland and Rhodesia for starters

Mossie

Good choices.  RAAF, they evaluated an early JP. T-37/A-37 customers might scratch a few heads.
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Barry Krell

Strikemaster is too late for Rhodesia.  UDI was 1965 with Strikemaster 1966/67 and thus embargoed.  Even if there were no embargo, Wilson's Labour wouldn't have sold them to the Smith regime.  South Africa had a devil of a job getting the Buccaneers that were bought and paid for.

Ireland would have no need for Strikemasters, given their neutral stance.  Can't see the IRA kicking off against the Dublin government when their avowed enemy is London.

Libya signed a deal for Strikemasters and Lightnings but Khadaffi's revolution put a stop to that.
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Weaver

Quote from: Barry Krell on October 22, 2009, 05:08:24 PM


Ireland would have no need for Strikemasters, given their neutral stance.  Can't see the IRA kicking off against the Dublin government when their avowed enemy is London.

True, but then they've always maintained a minimal light ground attack element, first with Fouga Magisters and currently with PC-9s.
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Mossie

Just add something into the backstory.  Maybe the UDI didn't happen, or didn't happen until later, or they took the combat capable T.51 (export T.3) instead.

Ireland is quite easy to fit in.  As Weave mentions, they've always had a light strike capability, the Strikemaster is just an upgrade to the Magister.  The Strikemaster provided a dual role, many customers took it on as a combat capable advanced trainer this would suit the IAC.
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DarrenP

#8
And the last Strikemasters were built in the 80's so Zimbabwe possibly but in my what if world Rhodesia survived and the commonwealth came in behind them. Remember Rhodesia had operated Percival Provosts as had Ireland.
Yes to Ireland instead of the Magister. RAAF yes a good call India, Pakistan and Lebanon would be others

Hman

#9
How about JP's being used by Biafria?

A few were supplied to the Nigerian AF, what if they captured them or sympathetic pilots defected...?  A bit far out I know :rolleyes:

Interesting Article (http://www.britains-smallwars.com/RRGP/Ralph/page1.html)
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Mossie

Didn't know about that story, nice find!  Not that far out a suggestion, seems pretty reasonable considering the JP's were in Nigeria at the time of the Biafran secession.
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