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GROUP BUILDS => The Cold War GB => Topic started by: Dizzyfugu on December 29, 2015, 07:13:45 am

Title: DONE +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 29, 2015, 07:13:45 am
Since things seem to start moving (at least the PR department  ;D), I chime in with the first project: a model of Mikoyan-Gurewich's "Izdeliye 33" - potentially MiG-33, had it entered service or the hardware stage in the late Eighthies. Yes, a model of a "real" project which was killed by the Soviet Air Force doctrine only to operate aircraft with two or more engines. But that would not keep this design from being built for export markets, as replacements for the MiG-21s all over the world as well as some simpler MiG-23 export versions. Vietnam is my candidate for this one. I have a plan.  :wacko:

Information is sparse, and there are pictures of two "Izdeliye 33" models of the OKB that show an aircraft that reminds - at first glance - a lot of the F-16, but that's only superficial:

(http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/29/05/29/enigmc96.jpg)

There also seem to be different chin air intake arrangements, including a split intake like the MiG Ye-8 prototype, while others (like those in the pic) also suggest a simple shovel design.

"Izdeliye 33" was a rather compact aircraft, and my build will probably become bigger overall -  because it will be based on a Nakotne 1:72 MiG-29 (gruesome kit... so wrong that you can only whif it!), turned into a single engine aircraft.  ;D

Stay tuned, lots of surgery and PSR ahead!
Title: Re: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE of the VPAF - the quasi F-16 that was not
Post by: DogfighterZen on December 29, 2015, 07:23:55 am
You got my attention!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE of the VPAF - the quasi F-16 that was not
Post by: Aragorn on December 29, 2015, 08:34:24 am
Dizzyfugu having a plan sounds dangerous for me in a very exciting way!
Title: Re: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE of the VPAF - the quasi F-16 that was not
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 29, 2015, 11:47:17 am
Dizzyfugu having a plan sound dangerous for me in a very exciting way!

I take this as a compliment. Project looks exciting, and as far as I can tell noe I see some serious design problems to be solved - e. g. the front wheel arrangement, esp. the well, and I will have to create some interior details like a cockpit (the Nakotne kit is bleak, to say the least...) and an air intake duct of some sort. The exhaust section and the single nozzle will also not be easy to solve - the shape worries me, could end up rather triangular! We'll see. 2016 is about to start with a challenge.  :tank:
Title: Re: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE of the VPAF - the quasi F-16 that was not
Post by: Aragorn on December 30, 2015, 01:40:43 am
Oh yes, it's a compliment! I like your stuff very much, really inspiring. Seems I need to have my f...ing eyesight corrected asap, so I can use these inspirations you give by your work, soon  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE of the VPAF - the quasi F-16 that was not
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 30, 2015, 10:29:35 am
There'll be a lot of bloody body parts modifications on this one... Not for those who are faint at heart.  ;) But after the recent AF-16A conversion I feel positive. Nothing a good saw and several tubes of putty could not mend.
Title: Re: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE of the VPAF - the quasi F-16 that was not
Post by: Tophe on January 01, 2016, 10:02:07 am
Very interesting subject  :wub: . And very courageous model project... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE of the VPAF - the quasi F-16 that was not
Post by: kitnut617 on January 01, 2016, 10:33:54 am
You could use a few of the design concepts of the Chinese J-10 as clues to what it would look like, even use quite a bit of it.

Sort of a cross between the J-10 and the Japanese F-2A
Title: Re: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE of the VPAF - the quasi F-16 that was not
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 02, 2016, 01:16:52 am
As a historic side note: information of the 'Izedilye 33' project was actually transferred from OKB MiG to Chin after the aircraft had been axed! These results eventually found their way into the Sino-Pakistani FC-1 fighter in the late 90ies.  ;)
Title: Re: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE of the VPAF - the quasi F-16 that was not
Post by: overscan on January 02, 2016, 02:03:02 am
Lot more pictures here:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1249.0.html
http://paralay.com/lmfs.html
Title: Re: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE of the VPAF - the quasi F-16 that was not
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 02, 2016, 03:33:06 am
Oh, color pictures from the wood model! Thanks a lot!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 02, 2016, 03:43:50 am
Yes, the saw already dived into the brittle Nakotne styrene, and things start moving. The Nakorne kit is REALLY crappy - upper and lower fuselage are single parts(!), including the air intakes. But this weakness is welcome for what I plan to do: slice up the upper and lower halves, cut out "wedges" and narrow the fuselage until only a single engine pod and bigger air intake remains. From that basis, the upper fuselage will be adapted, with the original MiG-29 spine, but narrowed LERXes and fuselage.

This is how things look (dry-fitted) after Day 1:

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5639/24123660525_0fb8476fc2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CKJ4Pt)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'); VPAF, late 90ies (WiP) (https://flic.kr/p/CKJ4Pt) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1451/23495430954_a2c3367832_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BNde49)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'); VPAF, late 90ies (WiP) (https://flic.kr/p/BNde49) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 02, 2016, 12:08:25 pm
Progress concerning the interior - since the new, single air intake is rather wide I added a jet fan (from an early Revell F-16A engine), and since the landing gear wells are only holes in the flanks, a jet engine simulation (actually a part from a 1:200 Space Shuttle lab) is inserted, too. From above, the intake will receive a styrene sheet "ceiling".

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5824/24106077816_e2b1de1ed3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CJaX6j)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'); VPAF, late 90ies (WiP) (https://flic.kr/p/CJaX6j) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

The floor has been stiffened with carpenter putty and a styrene sheet, too.
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE of the VPAF
Post by: Gondor on January 02, 2016, 01:24:52 pm
Very interesting seeing the work going into this build  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 03, 2016, 01:37:40 am
Overview of the "new" fuselage elements from yesterday evening. Instead of just two there are now six. The lower half has already been glued together, while the upper parts will be glued into place once the interior parts (in the backgorund) have been finished and painted.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1602/24061294111_40eecc2441_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CEdqst)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'); VPAF, late 90ies (WiP) (https://flic.kr/p/CEdqst) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

The Nakotne kit is really poor - I discovered two places where styrene has been missing, but with all the body work this little flaws almost do not matter at all...  :rolleyes:

Not certain concerning the overall length and the resulting proportions, though. I'll put the fuselage together first and then see how things look. After all, "my" interpretation of Izdeliye 33 will probably be bigger than the actual projected aircraft.
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Captain Canada on January 03, 2016, 07:46:29 pm
Wow ! Love to watch your work....and stopping to take pics is the only way to slow you down lol

 :drink:
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 04, 2016, 09:15:38 am
Things keep moving, the interior becomes more and more complete before the upper fuselage can be "sculpted". Note the new front wheel well that will lay under the (all new) cockpit tub - the only possible postion left after the air intakes were unified (they will be kept in the MiG-29 wedge style). Not certain how much of the air intake interior will be seen later, but I simply cannot keep it OOB - empty and even with side holes you could look through!

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1510/24173602845_db151b673b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CQ92VX)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'); VPAF, late 90ies (WiP) (https://flic.kr/p/CQ92VX) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1588/24147504526_81b3ae5261_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CMQgNW)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'); VPAF, late 90ies (WiP) (https://flic.kr/p/CMQgNW) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 04, 2016, 02:53:12 pm
That's one complex structure there Thomas, I'm impressed how you can keep the overall concept in mind while cutting and shutting it all.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 04, 2016, 11:36:02 pm
As I mentioned: I have a plan!  :wacko: Or, at least, a general idea of what I want to achieve/cut/glue... Some things evolve, though, like the air intake design (gets a splitter plate) or the front wheel well - I will implant the cockpit tub from a Revell G.91, which fits perfectly into the MiG-29's opening, and its simulated air intake interior will become the roof of the new front wheel well, so that there's even enough space for this construction.
At the moment I am occupied with the basis fuselage, and my plan appears feasible - even though it will take some serious PSR work to creat the upper side from three roughly cut pieces...  :-X
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 05, 2016, 09:31:36 am
The fuselage's upper side comes together, plus a nose from a vintage Matchbox F-16 because the height of the middle section with cockpit and spine had to be reduced. Length was reduced slightly, too. Carpenter putty fills the wide seams between the sections, and it was also used to build up the rear fuselage for the single, bigger engine.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1458/23567655703_a9709c0ff6_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BUAoXr)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'); VPAF, late 90ies (WiP) (https://flic.kr/p/BUAoXr) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1456/24168371246_01a8796256_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CPFdKY)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'); VPAF, late 90ies (WiP) (https://flic.kr/p/CPFdKY) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Gondor on January 05, 2016, 10:49:09 am
That is some serious work there Dizzyfugu  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: DogfighterZen on January 05, 2016, 11:16:38 am
Looking very good indeed! A lot of PSR you've got there, but you have some experience on the matter so no worries there, right?  ;D
Looking forward to see the result! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 05, 2016, 12:41:39 pm
Wow, that came together very well, and quickly too.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Captain Canada on January 05, 2016, 05:17:38 pm
A single engined Mig.29 is somat I've always wanted to do, ever since I saw an in progress pic of one here where it looked as such. Can't wait to see more.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 05, 2016, 11:32:24 pm
Thank you for the attention. Looks good so far, but I still have doubt concerning overall proportions. As far as I can tell at the moment, the tail has become considerably shorter (the elevators will come from an F-16 and are much shorter than the swept MiG-29 tail), and the main landing gear attachment points appear (relatively) too far tailwards. The original wing attachment points look a bit goofy, too. Nothing that could not be mended, but the single engine mod has more consequences than expected!
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Gondor on January 06, 2016, 02:17:25 am
Considering that you are working from pictures of wind tunnel models I would think that if you have to move parts or resize them to make the aircraft appear proportional or right you should be good as yours will be a production example. Just look at the differences between the prototype Su-27 and the production machines, in fact most Soviet aircraft from the 70's and 80's look as if they have been "refined" after the prototypes were built.

Gondor
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 06, 2016, 03:26:23 am
The T-10 and the Su-27 were almost completely different aircraft, because the complete aerodynamic concept was changed. My Ideliye 33 build is a compromise, because you can either carve it from wood, try to modify an F-16 or use a MiG-29. The MiG appeared like the more sound basis, also because it is a contemporary design and I'd guess that many design features would pop up again.

AFAIK the Izdeliye 33 would have been smaller than both the F-16 and MiG-29, which is plausible because it was to be powered with just one of the MiG-29's RD-33 engines. Maybe a 1:100 MiG-29 would have been a better basis, though - but no such kit exists (except for a die cast model)? The necessary size reduction is a tough task, I must admit. It's actually worse than the PSR duty. I am happy if I can generate "something" that bears a certain resemblance to the Izedeliye 33 outlines and does not look too "constucted", therefore as much from the MiG-29 will be kept (incl. the wings, which are SO wrong on the Nakotne kit that they can be taken as serious input for this more or less fictive production aircraft...  :rolleyes:). I think the end product will much appear like a Soviet F-16 copy. Just experimented with the wings (yes, they need to be moved forward) and the fin, and the more parts come together the more F-16-ish the 'Foghorn' looks!
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Thorvic on January 06, 2016, 04:29:02 am
Wouldn't an Art Model  Mikoyan-Gurevich E-8/2 make an alternative starting point perhaps ?. Lerx added from Plastic-card and putty. Wings and Canopy from the Mig-29 ?
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 06, 2016, 04:34:48 am
Have that kit in the stash. IMHO: no. You could use the chin intake, since it appears on several models/profiles, but the E-8 was simply a modified MiG-21. Creating something with a blended wing/body from that is tough... But the overall size would be better.

Funny thing about the MiG-29 is that I find it amazing how much F-16 genealogy can be found in the overall design!
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Gondor on January 06, 2016, 05:02:24 am
The T-10 and the Su-27 were almost completely different aircraft, because the complete aerodynamic concept was changed. My Ideliye 33 build is a compromise, because you can either carve it from wood, try to modify an F-16 or use a MiG-29. The MiG appeared like the more sound basis, also because it is a contemporary design and I'd guess that many design features would pop up again.

AFAIK the Izdeliye 33 would have been smaller than both the F-16 and MiG-29, which is plausible because it was to be powered with just one of the MiG-29's RD-33 engines. Maybe a 1:100 MiG-29 would have been a better basis, though - but no such kit exists (except for a die cast model)? The necessary size reduction is a tough task, I must admit. It's actually worse than the PSR duty. I am happy if I can generate "something" that bears a certain resemblance to the Izedeliye 33 outlines and does not look too "constucted", therefore as much from the MiG-29 will be kept (incl. the wings, which are SO wrong on the Nakotne kit that they can be taken as serious input for this more or less fictive production aircraft...  :rolleyes:). I think the end product will much appear like a Soviet F-16 copy. Just experimented with the wings (yes, they need to be moved forward) and the fin, and the more parts come together the more F-16-ish the 'Foghorn' looks!

I know what you mean about a model not looking the same as the aircraft it represents. The old Revell Su-27 bears only a passing resemblance to the aircraft it was supposed to depict. I wonder if the same person made the moulds for both that and you Nakote kit?

Gondor
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 06, 2016, 05:18:44 am
I suppose the early Revell Su-27 is an ex Kangnam kit, like the Yak-38 or MiG-29. They bore only superficial resemblance with the real thing, and the Nakotne kit is really old-school. If you have ever built a VEB Plasticart kit, you might think that the Nakotne kit is a reboxed, vintage kit from the late 80ies... Never came across this mould before, and I have built MiG-29's from Revell/Kangnam, ESCI and Italeri (the latter so far the best).
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 06, 2016, 09:31:53 am
In the meantime...

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1455/24187812356_7dde517613_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CRoRVw)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'); VPAF, late 90ies (WiP) (https://flic.kr/p/CRoRVw) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1690/23846067819_a1176e39b2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ckckbk)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'); VPAF, late 90ies (WiP) (https://flic.kr/p/Ckckbk) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

The fin is a composition from a F-16 base and a single F-18 tail. The wings had to be moved forward - not much, maybe 5mm, but this changes things a lot. I also fear that the nose is too long? A bit Pinocchio- or Concorde-ish...
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: DogfighterZen on January 06, 2016, 12:28:08 pm
That is very F-16ish, no doubt. IMHO, the nose does look a big too big but i imagine that with the windscreen on it will look good, and you get something very different from both the F-16 and the 29. :thumbsup:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 06, 2016, 11:28:44 pm
Yes, I will probably have to apply some more rhinoplasty and take out a section in front of the cockpit.
The nose cone's shape is perfect, but somehow the whole thing is too long for the now-shortened tail section with the more vertical/taller fin. Proportions are the real challenge, not the PSR stuff (which is tedious, yes, but rather straightforward after the parts are in place). Progress is good so far.
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Thorvic on January 07, 2016, 12:13:05 am
Hi Dizzy

Looking at the photos I think you might have needed to put the whole Mig-29 upper fuselage further back on the lower fuselage to get the proportions right.

Its a curse of kit bashing you can find yourself building what feels right and what looks right in your minds eye but when you check back against your reference you discover your mental image to be off (I did four nice VTOL engines for my first HS-681 only to discover I had done them Harrier style and they looked nothing like the drawings or artwork !  :banghead:)

Geoff
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 07, 2016, 02:52:38 am
Looking at the photos I think you might have needed to put the whole Mig-29 upper fuselage further back on the lower fuselage to get the proportions right.

Yes, that could be the right move. The single engine conversion definitively needs some length to be taken away, even though there's also the front wheel well to consider, and I am now stuck with what I have.  :-\
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Captain Canada on January 07, 2016, 04:26:05 am
Looks good and close enough to me ! Once she's all done up sent to the photo studio nobody will notice anyway

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Thorvic on January 07, 2016, 04:57:19 am
Looking at the photos I think you might have needed to put the whole Mig-29 upper fuselage further back on the lower fuselage to get the proportions right.

Yes, that could be the right move. The single engine conversion definitively needs some length to be taken away, even though there's also the front wheel well to consider, and I am now stuck with what I have.  :-\

Yeap I think the only way to get away with that is to go E-8 or F-16 style with a smaller nose gear in a revised intake, either splitter style or F-16.

Otherwise you leave the nose as is and have the longer nose to accommodate the longer nose leg.
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 07, 2016, 09:31:19 am
After the tail and the wings were fitted, I was convinced that the nose had to be shortened. While the shape was perfect, proportions did not much, and it was much too drooped. So I broke it off again and cut away about 1cm of the fuselage nose. Now, more/new PSR...

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1592/23607020653_0b62c2fafc_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BY59Mt)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'); VPAF, late 90ies (WiP) (https://flic.kr/p/BY59Mt) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


Things come together. Stabilizers from an Intech F-16C/D have been fitted - with a dogtooth edged intio the leading edge. They will not appear on the chines, but at least it's a detail from one of the widn tunnel models of the Izdeliye 33. Looks more and more like an F-16! Landing gear is also mounted now - and, yes, as expected, the main struts have to be moved forward. Thanks to the long wells this is rather easy to realize, though. The stabilzer fins come from an Italeri F-16. With the shortened nose, things look MUCH better now.  :thumbsup:

Otherwise: PRS, PSR, PSR...

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1567/23938246060_668c124e5a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CtkLym)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'); VPAF, late 90ies (WiP) (https://flic.kr/p/CtkLym) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1517/24207734346_61df5c24b0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CT9Y37)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'); VPAF, late 90ies (WiP) (https://flic.kr/p/CT9Y37) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

The massive main struts are taken OOB, but other wheels (left over from an X-32) will be fitted. The front wheel strut has to be replaced, the OOB part rather looks like a toothpick. It comes from an Academy MiG-23/27, and a different, single wheel (IIRC a main wheel from a Matchbox F-5B) will be mounted.

Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: nighthunter on January 07, 2016, 10:05:19 am
Dizzy, if I may offer a humble suggestion?

Split the intake. It would give it more of a Russian feel.
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 07, 2016, 11:21:39 am
But as it is it makes the point that the aircraft is single engined.
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: nighthunter on January 07, 2016, 11:23:46 am
But as it is it makes the point that the aircraft is single engined.
Very True, Kit
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: overscan on January 07, 2016, 01:50:33 pm
I like it as is. Feels a bit like the Rockwell F-15.

(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn45/overscanpaul/NAR%20F-15.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/overscanpaul/media/NAR%20F-15.jpg.html)
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Captain Canada on January 07, 2016, 03:22:46 pm
Rockwell F-15 ? Wha ? Googlin' we go !

 :wub: :tornado: :cheers:
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 07, 2016, 11:36:30 pm
Dizzy, if I may offer a humble suggestion?

Split the intake. It would give it more of a Russian feel.

No. I considered that, but found the construction of such an intake to be too complicated. I HAVE an MiG E-8 in the stash that could donate a potential implant (as well as a Trumpeter F-107), but... no. There'd have been a long intake to sculpt, and I am also not certain about the front wheel well and position. Sure the ex MiG-29 intake as I kept it is rather unpractical (FOD), but I kept it also for the sleek look. And, AFAIK, several intake layouts were tried/considered, so why should a production aircraft not copy the MiG-29 solution, which, at the time of the Izdeliye 33 development, was about to enter service? The aforementioned T-10/Su-27 also underwent a LOT of tests and trial, with very exotic engine/intake arrangements, including layouts that much resemble the Rockwell thing from overscan.

I see your point(s) and agree, but I went my own route.  <_<
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: overscan on January 08, 2016, 01:25:42 am
Rockwell F-15 ? Wha ? Googlin' we go !

 :wub: :tornado: :cheers:

Start here with Rockwell NA-335 F-15 topic

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,519.0.html

(images visible to registered users only)

While there check out the Fairchild F-15 (2nd placed finalist above Rockwell)

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,15663.0.html

Other designs :

General Dynamics

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16158.0.html

Lockheed

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16662.0.html

General F-15 competition topic including Grumman 399, Nasa studies

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14895.0.html

And certainly don't miss

Model 199 - Evolution of the F-15 from a VG F-111-alike to final form

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,23622.0.html


Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: overscan on January 08, 2016, 01:38:45 am
And back to topic - the intake design is fine, the Mikoyan 1.44 MFI used a splitter but had two engines, no reason to do that for a single engine design. Single MiG-29 style intake makes perfect sense.

I believe there were were two 'single engine MiG-29' projects, one from the 70s and a later one (Izdeliye 41) from the early/mid 80s. This was superseded by the LFI, which was planned as a single engine MFI.
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 08, 2016, 07:21:19 am
Just to move the topic back to its core (and keep the audience entertained), here's a pic that indicates what paint scheme will be applied.

Blue!

(http://i.imgur.com/CLpkD0O.jpg)

From http://www.hollilla.com/reader.php?action=thread&thread=2982619&offset=3030

Muahahaha!  :wacko:
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 10, 2016, 06:17:18 am
Progress, progress... time for the small things like antennae, pitots, canopy, pylons... Starts looking like an aicraft!         

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1468/24292962735_3b2ec413f2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D1FMt6)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'); VPAF, late 90ies (WiP) (https://flic.kr/p/D1FMt6) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1586/23664734444_7948d445d0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/C4aX5Q)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'); VPAF, late 90ies (WiP) (https://flic.kr/p/C4aX5Q) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: DogfighterZen on January 10, 2016, 12:41:15 pm
Looking great! :wub:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 10, 2016, 11:46:51 pm
Agree. Pretty sexy - screams F-16 all over the place, but it isn't.  :mellow:
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: NARSES2 on January 11, 2016, 06:45:37 am
To my mind it's got an A4 and the Brazilian/Italian Embrae whatever somewhere in it's lineage as well. Real good looker
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Supertom on January 11, 2016, 07:33:13 am
I'm so jealous of your putty courage.
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 11, 2016, 07:52:29 am
Yes, it takes some self-conviction. But once you "cross the line" you cannot go back...  ;D
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 12, 2016, 09:17:56 am
Painting started. With BLUE!

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1676/24312694286_dba4b49d9d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D3qUYf)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'), '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/D3qUYf) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1609/23971081359_f959909caa_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Cwf4mc)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'), '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/Cwf4mc) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


Yes, it's a rather simple livery, but the blues (the lower side is slightly lighter than the uppers) are really bright - the pics hardly do it justice. Base tone is Humbrol 44 (Pastel Blue), on the upper surfaces a little of 144 has been mixed to it for a slightly darker tone. Should look cool with the red and yellow VPAF markings (just check the Su-22 above), and the weird interior colors from the cockpit and the landing gear wells stand out well, too.
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Logan Hartke on January 12, 2016, 09:39:25 am
Man, that is already looking fantastic.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 12, 2016, 11:23:14 am
Looking VERY much like a Soviet F-16.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: DogfighterZen on January 12, 2016, 04:13:19 pm
 :wub: Excellent choice of colors! :thumbsup:
This could very well be the perfect matching opponent for the Viper, i bet the 2 would also be very similar in a performance comparison.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 12, 2016, 11:43:09 pm
Thank you. And, yes, in my personal incarnation, the MiG-33 appears really like a Viper counterpart on eye level. What amazes me most is how much F-16 is actually hidden in the MiG-29, once you trim things down to a single engine. And while both look similar, it is only superficially. Really cool and interesting.
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 13, 2016, 09:48:31 am
Full force ahead... Adding a thin black ink wash, less for weathering but more for depth of color and contrast.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1608/24063236100_77f01e7bf2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CEonK3)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'), '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/CEonK3) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

Detail painting continues, including highlighted panels and painted panel lines, created with a very soft pencil. Since hald of the kit's surface consists of rather soft and brittle putty I did not dare any engraving, and what's left from the original panel lines was/is raised, anyway. So, the drawn solution is most convenient and sufficient.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1682/24276333721_8d760b12d4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CZdyeX)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'), '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/CZdyeX) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

Decals soon/next, in the meantime I also paint the ordnance, Alamos and Aphids from an Italeri MiG-29. Better option than the OOB stuff from the Nakotne kit...  :-X
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 14, 2016, 10:10:15 am
Final touches like decals, clear position lights and a final coat with acrylic matt varnish...

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1541/24353209746_8743dbf007_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D71yNE)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'), '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/D71yNE) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

The VPAF is also very happy with the result!

(http://i.imgur.com/e7ttUUq.jpg)


Beauty pics (of the kit) to follow soon.
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Gondor on January 14, 2016, 10:21:16 am
Looking very nice indeed  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 14, 2016, 11:04:21 am
Looking very nice indeed  :thumbsup:

Gondor

And he may even mean the aircraft........  ;D :lol: ;)
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Gondor on January 14, 2016, 02:01:40 pm
Looking very nice indeed  :thumbsup:

Gondor

And he may even mean the aircraft........  ;D :lol: ;)

As if I meant anything else  :rolleyes:

I'm not Terry you know!  ;D

Gondor
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: DogfighterZen on January 14, 2016, 07:30:48 pm
Keeps getting better and better... :wub:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 15, 2016, 09:23:09 am
Outtakes and accidental camera shots...  :rolleyes:

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1559/24372325806_c04b6ca06c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D8GxkU)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'), '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/D8GxkU) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1612/24030735889_ee57cdec2f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CBvNyz)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn', a.k.a. 'Izdeliye 33'), '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/CBvNyz) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: WiP +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 16, 2016, 08:17:52 am
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1465/24330984651_de7da15a02_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D53E4n)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn'); '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/D53E4n) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1652/24413484575_839121b9df_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DckupR)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn'); '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/DckupR) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1673/24305200382_97ce4f3c19_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D2Lvi1)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn'); '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/D2Lvi1) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


Some background:
In the late 1970ies, the Mikoyan OKB design bureau began working on a very light “strike fighter” that was intended to be a direct competitor to the F-16 Fighting Falcon. This new Mikoyan design, designated Izdeliye 33 (Izd 33) (and variously translated as “Article 33”, “Project 33”, “Product 33”, or “Project R-33”), was of conventional layout and similar in appearance to the F-16, with a fixed geometry, chin-mounted air intake and a blended wing and body layout and pronounced leading edge root extensions (LERX).

The aircraft was originally powered by a single Klimov RD-33 afterburning turbofan engine – the same engine used by the twin-engined MiG-29. Overall, the Izdeliye 33 was less complex and capable than the MiG-29, but also much cheaper in acquisition and operation.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1713/24305205592_da3416df85_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D2LwQQ)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn'); '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/D2LwQQ) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1618/24413481375_7240fe2a50_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DcktsF)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn'); '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/DcktsF) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1510/24045656229_e6eae09494_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CCQgRP)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn'); '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/CCQgRP) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


The Izdeliye 33’s outlines resembled the MiG-29, but actually only a few components were shared, e .g. the landing gear. All aerodynamic surfaces were different, and the BWB fuselage with its single engine and air intake duct necessitated a much different internal structure.
After extensive wind-tunnel testing and evaluation of several aerodynamic details (e. g. different LERX layouts with blended edges or dogtooth tips, and different elevator layouts), the first prototype was built and successfully tested in 1984.

Progress was slow, since most of OKB MiG’s resources were concentrated on the MiG-29, though, but the aircraft showed good characteristics. State acceptance trials were underway when the program received a hard blow in 1986: the Soviet Air Force (VVS) dropped its support for the Izdeliye 33, due to VVS’ change of operational needs, financial constraints, a growing preference for multirole designs and the doctrine not to operate single engine combat aircraft anymore.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1653/24387235946_0280c70f71_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Da1XBh)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn'); '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/Da1XBh) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1531/23786658383_8cd3d9c42e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CeWQPH)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn'); '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/CeWQPH) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1656/23786656883_23e0c4082b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CeWQnR)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn'); '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/CeWQnR) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


Since development of the Izdeliye 33 had already progressed to the hardware stage and the VVS was about to introduce it’s a new fighter generation (the MiG-29 as tactical fighter and the bigger Su-27 as long range inteceptor), which were not allowed for export at that time, the Izdeliye 33’s role was changed.

With the domestic market barred, it became a light fighter aircraft with not-so-up-tp-date avionics for foreign operators, much like the former American F-5 program. Sales potential was regarded as high, because many Soviet-friendly nations operating the ageing MiG-21 or MiG-23 export models at that time would appreciate a relatively simple and cost-efficient replacement.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1608/23785272674_bdf53569bd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CePJUb)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn'); '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/CePJUb) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1658/23785271664_fc0fb7b2fe_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CePJAL)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn'); '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/CePJAL) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1466/24305194602_1f9dd45bec_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D2Ltzm)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code 'Foghorn'); '8703 Red' of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People's Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/D2Ltzm) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


In due course the aircraft received the official designation MiG-33SE ("S" for, "seriynyy" = serial and "E" for "eksportnyy" = export).
These production aircraft differed in several details from the Izdeliye 33, the most obvious change were enlarged elevator surfaces and bulges on the flanks which had become necessary in roder to fit bigger low pressure tires to the main landing gear for operations on rough airstrips.

Compared with the prototypes, the operational MiG-33 was powered by a Tumansky R-25-300 turbojet, rated at 55 kN (12,000 lbf) dry military power, 68.5 kN (15,400 lbf) with afterburner and 96.8 kN (21,800 lbf) for 3 minutes with boosted afterburner (CSR mode, altitude < 4,000 metres (13,000 ft)). The air intake received an adjustable ramp and the radome became smaller.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1566/24387225716_60a1ba3369_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Da1UyU)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code &#x27;Foghorn&#x27;); &#x27;8703 Red&#x27; of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People&#x27;s Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/Da1UyU) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1597/24330971991_6a3bc994f2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D53Ai6)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code &#x27;Foghorn&#x27;); &#x27;8703 Red&#x27; of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People&#x27;s Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/D53Ai6) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


The first airframes left the Sokol production plant at Nizhny Novgorod in 1987. When the aircraft became known to the public it received the ACSS code name “Foghorn” in the West.
Instead of the MiG-29's state-of-the-art Phazotron RLPK-29 radar fire control system, a less sophisticated RLPK-29E targeting system, based on the N019EA "Rubin" radar, was fitted. As a secondary sensor, a modified S-31E optoelectronic targeting/navigation system and different IFF transponders were fitted.

This avionics suite still featured modes for look-down/shoot-down and close-in fighting. With this equipment, the MiG-33SE was able to carry the new and very effective R-73 (NATO: AA-11 "Archer") short-range air-to-air missile, as well as the R-27 (AA-10 "Alamo") mid-range AAM with IR and radar homing. A SPO-15L "Beryoza" ("Birch") radar warning receiver was carried, too, along with chaff/flare dispensers.

The new type quickly found buyers: first orders came, among others, from Algeria, Angola, Eritrea, North Korea and Vietnam, and deliveries started in early 1988. In 1989 the MiG-33SE was also offered to India for license production (replacing the country’s large MiG-21 fleet), but the country wanted a more potent aircraft and eventually became one of the first MiG-29 export customers.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1711/24387232516_98cc10de39_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Da1WA9)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code &#x27;Foghorn&#x27;); &#x27;8703 Red&#x27; of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People&#x27;s Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/Da1WA9) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1448/24117853200_0fed10becd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CKdivb)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code &#x27;Foghorn&#x27;); &#x27;8703 Red&#x27; of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People&#x27;s Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/CKdivb) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


Beyond its operational service, the MiG-33SE left other footprints in Asia, too. Following the cancellation of U.S. and European companies’ participation in the development of the Westernized Chengdu J-7 variant known as the “Super-7”, China launched a program in 1991 to develop an indigenous evolution of this MiG-21-based design, which it designated the FC-1 (“Fighter China 1”).

To expedite its development, officials of the Chengdu Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAC) or the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) – perhaps both – approached Mikoyan for technical support.
In 1998, CATIC purchased Izdeliye 33 design and test information from the Mikoyan design bureau, along with other research and development assistance. These designs were used for the development of JF-17 / FC-1 by Pakistan and China, which entered production in 2007.




General characteristics:
    Crew: 1
    Length (incl. pitot): 16,2 m (53 ft)
    Wingspan: 10.73 m (35 ft 1.5 in)
    Height: 5,5 m (18 ft)
    Wing area: 35,6 m² (382 ft²)
    Empty weight: 18,900 lb (8,570 kg)
    Loaded weight: 26,500 lb (12,000 kg)
    Max. takeoff weight: 42,300 lb (19,200 kg)
    Fuel capacity: 3,500 kg. (7,716 lbs.) internally

Powerplant:
   1× Tumansky R-25-300 turbojet, rated at 55 kN (12,000 lbf) dry military power,
        68.5 kN (15,400 lbf) with afterburner and 96.8 kN (21,800 lbf) emergency power

Performance:
    Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 (2,530+ km/h, 1,500+ mph) at high altitude
                           1,110 km/h (690 mph) at low altitude
    Range: 1,550 km (837 nmi, 963 mi) with drop tanks
    Ferry range: 3,335 km (1,800 nmi, 2,073 mi) with auxiliary fuel
    Service ceiling: 17,060 m (59,000 ft)
    Rate of climb: 285 m/s (56,000 ft/min)
    Wing loading: 337 kg/m² (69 lb/ft²)
    Thrust/weight: 0.7 at loaded weight   
    Maximum design g-load: +9 g

Armament:
    1x 30 mm GSh-30-1 cannon with 150 rounds in the left fuselage side
    7 Hard points (6x pylons under-wing, 1x under fuselage) for up to 3,500 kg (7,720 lb)
    of  ordnance  including six air-to-air missiles — a mix of semi-active radar homing
   (SARH)/infrared homing R-60, R-27, R-73, active radar homing R-77 AAMs.
   Air-to-ground weapons include RBK-500, PB-250, FAB-250, FAB 500-M62, TN-100, ECM Pods,
   S-8 rockets in respective pods, S-24 unguided rockets and guided Kh-25 and Kh-29 ASMs



(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1480/24330975661_d64591288e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D53Bon)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code &#x27;Foghorn&#x27;); &#x27;8703 Red&#x27; of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People&#x27;s Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/D53Bon) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1495/24413456625_bbbb30f603_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Dckm6X)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code &#x27;Foghorn&#x27;); &#x27;8703 Red&#x27; of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People&#x27;s Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/Dckm6X) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1709/24305190062_c081bde10c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D2Lse5)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code &#x27;Foghorn&#x27;); &#x27;8703 Red&#x27; of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People&#x27;s Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/D2Lse5) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1581/23786668973_b17c8dd94b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CeWTYi)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code &#x27;Foghorn&#x27;); &#x27;8703 Red&#x27; of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People&#x27;s Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/CeWTYi) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1449/24117842330_ae4fc06158_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CKdfgL)1:72 Mikojan-Gurevich Izdeliye 33/ MiG-33SE (NATO code &#x27;Foghorn&#x27;); &#x27;8703 Red&#x27; of the 931st Fighter Reg., 371th Air Div., Vietnamese People&#x27;s Air Force (Không Quân Nhân Dân Việt Nam, VPAF); Yên Bái Air Base, summer 1989 (Whif/Nakotne MiG-29 conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/CKdfgL) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on FlickR

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Title: Re: DONE: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Gondor on January 16, 2016, 08:46:25 am
Wonderful pictures especially the ones with the afterburner lit  :o

Gondor
Title: Re: DONE: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 16, 2016, 10:47:08 am
What Gondor said, superb work there Thomas.  :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: DONE: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: su27rules on January 16, 2016, 11:06:25 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:  Very nice, another great work!!
Title: Re: DONE: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on January 16, 2016, 11:15:20 am
Wonderful work and photography! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DONE: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: kitnut617 on January 16, 2016, 04:35:15 pm
Very nicely done   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DONE: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Captain Canada on January 16, 2016, 07:45:09 pm
Thanks for the links Overscan and that looks great Dizzy ! Excellent selection of photos as always. Love the look from all those angles....sometimes Mig, sometimes F-16, some times completely different !

 :cheers: :bow:
Title: Re: DONE: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: zenrat on January 16, 2016, 08:11:35 pm
Very good.
Thanks for the out-takes revealing the "secrets" of your photo studio.
Title: Re: DONE: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 17, 2016, 12:52:27 am
Thank you! The pics are no rocket science - I still use a relatively simple pocket camera (with a better optical zoom and an picture sensor today, though), and an editing software is a must for tuning light and contrast, as well as some mods for the flight scenes.
Title: Re: DONE: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: van883 on January 17, 2016, 09:10:58 am
Nice one!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DONE: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: DogfighterZen on January 17, 2016, 03:21:34 pm
 :wub: Came out great! That was a really interesting build, and great result as always! :bow:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: DONE: MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Tophe on January 19, 2016, 10:01:36 am
great result as always! :bow:
I agree completely! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DONE +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 19, 2016, 10:51:29 am
Again, thanks a lot!  :bow:
Title: Re: DONE +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: RAFF-35 on March 09, 2017, 11:33:51 pm
Is this copyright or not?

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Title: Re: DONE +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: DogfighterZen on March 10, 2017, 01:02:23 pm
Just saw that and left the link to this thread... :angry: Just like it was his... :banghead:
Title: Re: DONE +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 10, 2017, 01:24:31 pm
Someone needs to put him right for sure.
Title: Re: DONE +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on March 10, 2017, 04:09:39 pm
All that hard work has certainly paid off! Great modelling & photography. I really like the colour scheme. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DONE +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 13, 2017, 04:11:00 am
Thank you very much. The MiG-33 also already appeared in an Italian modelers forum, too...  ;)
Title: Re: DONE +++ MiG 'Izdeliye 33' a.k.a. MiG-33SE (ASCC code 'Foghorn') of the VPAF
Post by: ysi_maniac on May 20, 2017, 08:07:38 am
This guy builds the models I have always dreamt to build.
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
 :thumbsup: :wub: