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GROUP BUILDS => The Engines - More or Less G.B. => Topic started by: kitbasher on July 01, 2019, 08:37:47 am

Title: Percival Puffin
Post by: kitbasher on July 01, 2019, 08:37:47 am
Proctor development, competitor to the Miles Gemini and using the Airfix dH.88 engines and main u/c.  Combined age of the donor kits is 121!!
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: JayBee on July 01, 2019, 11:20:41 am
Just don't add the age of the builder that would realy shock us.  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: NARSES2 on July 13, 2019, 07:43:02 am
Just don't add the age of the builder that would realy shock us.  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Probably look better in Roman numerals  ;) :angel:
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: kitbasher on July 14, 2019, 05:06:05 am
OK.  Birth certificate-related abuse aside, some progress with the Puffin.  First off the component parts, then following a spot of messy play getting sub-assemblies together (rear bench seat, engines, wings, finding I don't have a rudder and one of the tailplane halves is exactly the same as the other (thanks Lee for the other Proctor, solved those problems!), then a rough idea of what the finished item will, I hope, look like. 

EDIT 1: The Meteor nose works pretty well as anticipated, a bit of reprofiling either of it or the lower fuselage ahead of the wing root but noting too drastic.  Have found some replacements for the awful Airfix Comet wheels.  And speaking of the Airfix Comet, just after slapping the engine nacelles together I'm back on the 'never buying one of those again' wagon!

EDIT 2 : The Photobucket logo is annoying so back to Flickr.  Some relearning (it's a faff compared to Photobucket) but got there.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48280438346_ef1d28a6a4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gynSfN) (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48280541487_b32a804ab3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gynSfN)


 (https://flic.kr/p/2gyooV6)
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: NARSES2 on July 14, 2019, 05:13:36 am
I still use Photobucket and don't get that logo. Often wondered why you do ?

Neat concept by the way  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: zenrat on July 14, 2019, 05:26:41 am
I misread this as Percival Putin...   :o
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: kitbasher on July 14, 2019, 05:45:36 am
I still use Photobucket and don't get that logo. Often wondered why you do ?

Neat concept by the way  :thumbsup:

Maybe cos I don't pay?  And thanks for the thumbs up!
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: Tophe on July 14, 2019, 09:30:55 am
Good new silhouette. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: NARSES2 on July 15, 2019, 06:41:36 am

Maybe cos I don't pay? 

Probably. I pay £9 a year or so for more than enough space for me. I was paying before the great price hike/reduction again debacle and they kept my contract the same as it had always been, touching all the wood within range whilst I type that. I'm happy enough with it
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: ericr on July 16, 2019, 11:11:22 am
 nice idea :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: kitbasher on September 01, 2019, 12:08:01 pm
Interior put together.  All very simple - keep the two front seats, add a bench seat for the rear of the cabin.  Medium Sea Grey interior, red/brown seats to create a leathery look, strips of black coloured masking tape as seat belts.

Rear windows added, seating attached and fuselage halves mated.  Meanwhile rudder and tailplanes prepped.

Wings assembled, Comet engine nacelles added, gaps filled and sanded, bit of extra filler needed.

Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: The Rat on September 01, 2019, 01:00:04 pm
Good idea, everything I've read seems to indicate that the Proctor was rather underpowered, I'm surprised it got as much use as it did.
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 01, 2019, 01:44:30 pm

Good idea, everything I've read seems to indicate that the Proctor was rather underpowered, I'm surprised it got as much use as it did.


You're  not kidding, only beaten by its stable-mate, the Prentice.  :o

Having flown in both types, large amounts of will-power on the part of the crew was an essential part of the aerodynamics with both of them!
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: kitbasher on September 24, 2019, 01:15:15 pm
Nose faired in (PSR went well), wings with pre-mounted and faired engines attached, ditto tailplane and rudder.  Some PSR needed round the joints of the flying surfaces and the gaps where Proctor's wing lights go will need filling in.  Probably will replace with a nose light.
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: Rheged on September 24, 2019, 02:11:38 pm
I misread this as Percival Putin...   :o

So did I.  This led to further research and produced the following information on the Percival Putin

The archives of one of the more secretive organs of state security show that the Leningrad Oblast of the PVO-strany acquired half a dozen Percival aircraft by dubious means from a dealer in Finland in 1958. The plan was that they could assist  in the design  of the next generation of Soviet training aircraft. They were immediately examined for signs of dialectical materialism and counter revolutionary tendencies by politico-technical researchers from the local university.  Having been found free of any specific capitalist vices, they were placed in storage to await collection by the military.......and completely forgotten about. In the early 1970's, the Leningrad University Aviation and Borscht Making Society discovered the stored airframes whilst searching the outbuildings for an engine to power their beetroot chuntering mill.  A certain degree of decay and confusion had affected the components and the  society members, led by a law student by the name of Vladimir Vladimirovitch Putin, assembled not only a unique de Havilland Gipsy Queen powered beetroot mill but an aircraft constructed from a wide variety of stored components.  The 200 horse-power beetroot mill was not an unqualified success despite being used by the Glorious 27th of April Soup Kitchen  in 1975 to establish a world record (which is unlikely ever to be beaten) for the highest tonnage of beetroot puree produced in a 24 hour period. However the strange composite aircraft, named the Putin after the society secretary and deputy commissar, has been included in several Mayday fly pasts and identified by various experts as :-

1) a light communications aircraft
2) an ab-initio trainer
3) a clandestine agent-dropping machine
4) a stealth drone
5) an interloper which should not have been included in the official flypast.

Any further data on this unique machine (or on the 200hp beetroot mill) would be welcomed.
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: Old Wombat on September 24, 2019, 05:53:05 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: zenrat on September 25, 2019, 03:56:51 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: kitbasher on September 29, 2019, 06:24:02 am
May not sound much, but:

Wing and tailplane roots an wing light spaces filled, elevators attached, additional filling the fuselage/nose join.  Was originally to dispense with the Comet undercarriage completely but on second thoughts have used the legs.  the Undercarriage wells will have two side doors each rather than the single rearward-folding cover the Comet comes with. I will be using new wheels though. 

Colour scheme decided upon a long tome ago - fictional but hopefully typical early 1950s.
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: kitbasher on October 13, 2019, 01:57:48 am
Focus is on the Wellington right now, will do my best to have the Puffin ready for Telford.
Title: Re: Percival Puffin - Eighteen Months Later!
Post by: kitbasher on April 20, 2021, 09:53:19 am
Focus is on the Wellington right now, will do my best to have the Puffin ready for Telford.

It's a good job I didn't say which Telford!  Finally calling this done.  Yes I could faff and tittivate a bit more, but to no real gain.  it's an old kit that went together easily except at the final stage - the canopy was slightly narrower than the cockpit.

So to the finished item (completed just a short while ago), Percival Puffin G-AKDD as operated by the Ministry of Civil Aviation and seen at Denham Aerodrome in August 1951:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51128704690_39dd57bf48_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51127588596_aa49ecf300_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51128704670_4752c61011_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51127806878_285653a862_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51127588586_575deca2bd_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51127630282_405093b2c6_z.jpg)

The Puffin was derived from the Percival Proctor as a four-seat touring aircraft.  The name ‘Puffin’ was selected by Percival workers to reflect the fact that the type resembled a smaller version of Percival’s only other twin-engined aircraft, the Petrel.

Development of the Puffin was conducted at a rapid pace following the end of the Second World War, Percival being keen to bring new designs to the post-war civil aviation sector at minimal development cost. This included utilisation of as many Proctor components as possible.

First flying on 26 November 1945 (exactly a month after the competing – albeit slightly smaller - Miles Gemini’s first flight), the company's confidence in the Puffin was such that sales demonstrations using the prototype started only days later, while efforts to commence large scale production were started immediately.

150 Puffins were sold worldwide, aircraft having been registered in the following countries: Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Denmark, Egypt, Finland, France, Germany, Gold Coast, Iceland, India, Ireland, Italy, Kenya, Lebanon, Morocco, New Zealand, Portugal, Rhodesia, South Africa, Southern Rhodesia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Jordan, Turkey, United Kingdom and United States.

The actual G-AKDD was a Miles M65 Gemini 1A built in 1947.  It was permanently removed from the UK civil aircraft register in 1961 – see G-INFO Historical Ledger G-AKDD (http://G-INFO Historical Ledger G-AKDD).

G-AKDD's colour scheme was inspired by pics of restored Proctor G-ALJF, all markings being home made.
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 20, 2021, 10:39:07 am
What a neat looking aeroplane, are you sure it's a real Whiff?  :thumbsup:

Adding an extra engine to the Proctor sounds like a good idea, they should have done the same to the Prentice.

Er, no, the Prentice needed TWO extra engines!
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: zenrat on April 21, 2021, 05:09:18 am
Sweet.
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: NARSES2 on April 21, 2021, 06:26:30 am
That looks good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: ericr on April 21, 2021, 07:28:31 am

very pretty indeed
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: comrade harps on April 21, 2021, 07:33:56 am
Lovely colours and so smooth.  :wub:
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: Tophe on April 21, 2021, 07:40:01 am
 :wub: Cute...

Proctor development
To fully appreciate the beauty of this "new" plane, I am glad I saw the source, quite ugly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percival_Proctor
Congratulations! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 21, 2021, 07:48:06 am
That's looking great (and kawaii!), very well done.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on April 21, 2021, 04:28:30 pm
That's a little beauty! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Percival Puffin
Post by: Old Wombat on April 21, 2021, 04:50:58 pm
Cute! ;D :thumbsup: