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Title: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 22, 2018, 11:44:58 pm
As it sez junk and sech with pretentious spellings. 
Thisll be a repository of various bits n pieces, including
progress on old stalled projects. Way too many of those.
:banghead: ;D

Quick n dirty B-52 re-engining, 1/200 Dragon B-52H, old 1/200 747-400 pre-built
cheapo display model.

(http://photos.smugmug.com/WHAT-IF-GBs/i-74TjVrf/0/515f405b/XL/1859BEBE-FCC3-4C1A-AE11-49BEFD1CCF2C-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: zenrat on September 23, 2018, 04:15:10 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: NARSES2 on September 23, 2018, 04:48:36 am
I have often wondered why nothing like that has happened in the real world (or what passes for it) ? Although I seem to remember reading of a plan to replace the existing engines with 4 RR RB-211's which were to have been leased ?
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: kerick on September 23, 2018, 07:28:04 am
There have been many plans over the years for reengining B-52s. More than could possibly be included in a post like this. The reason/excuse for not doing it seems to boil down to the fact that the Air Force has truck loads of spare engines in the supply chain. Some sort of economic reasoning involved I don't get. IIRC the technical issues might be costly but could be overcome. Then of course there is politics involved.
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: kitnut617 on September 23, 2018, 08:02:36 am
I like that Jon   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

The plan I have for one of my 1/72 B-52's is to put just two GE90's on it, plus a different wing
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: Rheged on September 23, 2018, 08:15:16 am
There have been many plans over the years for reengining B-52s. More than could possibly be included in a post like this. The reason/excuse for not doing it seems to boil down to the fact that the Air Force has truck loads of spare engines in the supply chain. Some sort of economic reasoning involved I don't get. IIRC the technical issues might be costly but could be overcome. Then of course there is politics involved.

I think that the main objection to refitting with  R-R engines is that they are not born and bred in the US of A. Most Americans I know regard this as a  silly idea, but the politicians.....!
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: kerick on September 23, 2018, 07:01:15 pm
There have been many plans over the years for reengining B-52s. More than could possibly be included in a post like this. The reason/excuse for not doing it seems to boil down to the fact that the Air Force has truck loads of spare engines in the supply chain. Some sort of economic reasoning involved I don't get. IIRC the technical issues might be costly but could be overcome. Then of course there is politics involved.

I think that the main objection to refitting with  R-R engines is that they are not born and bred in the US of A. Most Americans I know regard this as a  silly idea, but the politicians.....!

I'm trying to remember off the top of my head but there were a couple of different engines suggested including I believe CFM 56s.
Here is an article on the latest effort.
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/12/22/air-force-solidifies-options-for-b-52-engine-replacement/

Looks like they still want the eight engine layout to keep from having to redesign the pylons and parts of the wing.
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: rickshaw on September 23, 2018, 08:00:44 pm
There have been various plans to replace the engines on the B-52s.  Most have been foundered on the idea that the retirement of the aircraft was "just around the corner, so why bother?"   Last year was the most recent IIRC.  The cost is another factor - there are simply hundreds of B-52s in service, replacing all their engines would be an enormous cost, again on an aircraft about to be retired.

I suspect my grandchildren will still be reading about the B-52 long after I am gone.  It just keeps on going.  Rather like the Canberra in that respect.
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: zenrat on September 24, 2018, 03:55:31 am
"Not invented here" can be a powerful argument.  Especially for politicians.

How close are the bottoms of those engines to the floor Jon?

Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: Dizzyfugu on September 24, 2018, 04:19:23 am
 ;D

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3772/19637651360_1f3280cd6b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vVj6zS)
1:200 Boeing B-52K 'Stratofortress B.I', "ZA447/(AJ)G" of  Royal Air Force 617 Squadron; Waddington, England, 1999, during 'Operation Allied Force' (Whif/Dragon kit conversion) (https://flic.kr/p/vVj6zS) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 24, 2018, 09:50:48 am
"Not invented here" can be a powerful argument.  Especially for politicians.

How close are the bottoms of those engines to the floor Jon?

Too close.  ;D :wacko:
I didn't bother making the pylons shallower, and I mounted the inboard
engines where the bomb/missile pylons go. I like the exaggerated arrow
look it has now.

Anyhow it's going to be part of an art piece, so any considerations of real
world functionality are being willfully ignored.
 :wacko: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 24, 2018, 09:51:18 am
Nice Buff dizzy.  :thumbsup: :wub:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 24, 2018, 02:54:11 pm
Testing some new to me artist's spray paint, Sugar, an acrylic that uses a water and
alcohol mix, very faint odor, heavily pigmented, medium pressure can, sprays on fairly
smoothly, not dusty with minimal overspray, dries quickly with a semi-matte finish.

I've done one test of a neutral gray (Decay on the colour chart) on a Pegasus 1/18th
V1 paint test mule, it's a combination of styrene and ABS plastics so makes a good test
subject. I sprayed the test last night, I'll do a sanding test next.
I'll keep folks posted.

It's a product of Australian company AVT in Brisbane:
http://avtpaints.com/
http://avtpaints.com/product-ranges/avt-paints-art-materials
http://sugarartistsacrylic.com/about-sugar

http://avtpaints.com/downloads/tV98pOeDYE_20151015_Sugar_DL_ColourChart_OCT15.pdf

Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: zenrat on September 25, 2018, 04:46:07 am
"Not invented here" can be a powerful argument.  Especially for politicians.

How close are the bottoms of those engines to the floor Jon?

Too close.  ;D :wacko:
I didn't bother making the pylons shallower, and I mounted the inboard
engines where the bomb/missile pylons go. I like the exaggerated arrow
look it has now.

Anyhow it's going to be part of an art piece, so any considerations of real
world functionality are being willfully ignored.
 :wacko: :thumbsup:

Art is good.  Sometimes you just have to build to the aesthetics and not the engineering.

Sugar looks promising.  The price seems good.  I await your report on sanding.
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 25, 2018, 11:28:55 am
As far as the RB211 re-engining was concerned it was cost rather
than "not invented/made here" as the R-R Allison division has
produced major RB211 components in the US for a long time, and
I'm sure that if such a re-engining had gone foward they would have
happily set up a full assembly line at Allison for the program.
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: ysi_maniac on September 25, 2018, 04:47:22 pm
Wonderful! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 27, 2018, 08:49:44 am
The Sugar sands very well, using 600grit wet-dry, and adheres very well to
both the styrene and ABS components of the model, I intentionally did not
prime first.  It did not lift up and pill during sanding and I couldnt scrape
if off with my fingernail.
So far, its looking very good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: zenrat on September 27, 2018, 09:05:11 pm
 :thumbsup:

I'll have to get some and try it myself.  So many colours to choose from though...
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 27, 2018, 11:15:25 pm
Note that it is quite heavy bodied as its highly pigmented and really intended for
graffiti-type street art. Ive not tried it on yet on anything with fine panel lines,
but I have a hunch itll make a good colourcoat for a car model, itd need a
gloss over top of course, so Ill be testing a couple of different gloss coats.

So far its looking like a good addition to the arsenal.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: zenrat on September 28, 2018, 03:32:30 am
It was for car models I was wanting it.  I like to have a selection of colours on the shelf and at the price they are selling these for that is doable.
I'll use a Racing GB build as a guinea pig.
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 30, 2018, 10:16:05 am
The Sugar is looking good re details, this is Decay on the 1/200 B-52 speed build.
I made no attempt to go for a thin application, just blasted it on, thus the pebbly
finish, youll see that the fine inscribed panel lines came through.
Well, except for where I sanded them away and didnt bother rescribing.
 :wacko:
 
I applied a wash to the ines with black from a Gundam weathering marker

Note that it looks metallic because of the lighting, the paint is not metallic.

(http://photos.smugmug.com/WHAT-IF-GBs/i-Rd5KPXP/0/8956a7b0/XL/28EE0265-B557-4326-9A83-EF9BA6D1FC96-XL.jpg)

(http://photos.smugmug.com/WHAT-IF-GBs/i-vB8H3LB/0/16ee319a/XL/38D47121-B6BF-4CF3-8189-689A7A7256A9-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 30, 2018, 02:11:45 pm
Yeah, yeah, yeah HCF, all very impressive with the paint, but....................

Is that a SOCKING great bomb under the starboard wing, and why there rather than in the bomb bay?  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: kitnut617 on September 30, 2018, 02:41:37 pm
Yeah, yeah, yeah HCF, all very impressive with the paint, but....................

Is that a SOCKING great bomb under the starboard wing, and why there rather than in the bomb bay?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

That's one of those MOAB deep penetrator bombs right ?
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 30, 2018, 08:50:50 pm
Photos of the completed slam build, I probably wont flat over the decals as the
glossiness works for the purpose, its for an artist friend. Jason is a spraycan/graffiti
artist/street artist, what ever term you want to use, who has been doing a series of
political paintings, on panels and canvas folks not walls ;), that use stenciled images
of B-52s, bombs, explosions, soldiers and police in full modern US military kit etc. The
latter look even more disturbingly alien as blocky two or three tone stenciled images than
they do in real life. He utilizes judicious placement of flourescent paint highlights that
reinforce violent aspects of the images when under UV light.
He also owns the JAG Art Supply where I get the Sugar paint, along with Molotow and Flame
spray paints, all good stuff. JAG = Jason A. Grim, Jason or Grim for short.  ;D :thumbsup:

So, the grey is the Sugar, the middle stone is Vallejo Air, the green is Vallejo UK armor
Bronze Green, I just grabbed what I had on hand. The bombs are from the parts
box, as I said before the engines are from a cheapy pre-built 747 display model, and
I mounted the inboard engines where the Houndog pylons were supposed to go, the
ludicrously big bombs are where the outboard engines mount on a normal build.  ;D
It was the first outing for my new iwata HP-M2 low pressure single action gravity
feed 7ml paint cup airbrush. Its lovely and will become my workhorse.
(http://www.airbrush-iwata.com/objects/Prodotto/prod_431.jpg)

Decals are from an Academy 1/72nd F-86E kit, chosen and placed for look not
accuracy.  ;)
As you can see the bombs have stereotypical rude inscriptions, old Citadel Bone White
applied with a brush, I redacted the one on the posted close up image, Im sure most
will recognize the provenance of that one and the FU tail codes are intentionally
naughty. :wacko:
You can barely see it on the pics but the engine fan hubs, bombtips, and the gatling stinger
with its radar/sensor domes are all ponced up with a Molotow Chrome marker - which is a
fantastic thing I cannot recommend to much.  Oh yeah Jason sells those too, and the
refill bottle.  :thumbsup:

So I was inspired to do this silly thing as a piss take on the bomb-bomb-bomb mindset
by his paintings and Ill give it to him to hang in the shop.

(http://photos.smugmug.com/WHAT-IF-GBs/i-q392q8F/0/4682c1b4/XL/94DE86F7-CC0F-45A6-AEA3-B17B8106A0CD-XL.jpg)

(http://photos.smugmug.com/WHAT-IF-GBs/i-ctmdGvG/0/cffc33ae/XL/AF487602-1DA7-44C5-A656-92147B8C83C6-XL.jpg)

(http://photos.smugmug.com/WHAT-IF-GBs/i-JfDM86W/0/6206b291/XL/45D8C76F-9C06-4071-81DA-E8497EB171A4-XL.jpg)

(http://photos.smugmug.com/WHAT-IF-GBs/i-8fKTpM5/0/ddbc9966/XL/53E310A6-9639-4886-865B-C7D702CF4AC5-XL.jpg)

(http://photos.smugmug.com/WHAT-IF-GBs/i-QgxpXKN/0/30521436/XL/18DFD193-BC4B-494A-8049-49D08514BC20-XL.jpg)

(http://photos.smugmug.com/WHAT-IF-GBs/i-XqMDDnT/0/cb46d7e6/XL/F26F731A-3B34-421C-A39A-BB5130F4AE29-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 30, 2018, 09:17:07 pm
I love it... them colors work so well together.

The colorful text works even better.  :wacko:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 30, 2018, 11:12:03 pm
Hehehehe, a classic there JCF.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 30, 2018, 11:34:17 pm
Thanks gents.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: zenrat on October 01, 2018, 04:30:56 am
Love it.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: NARSES2 on October 01, 2018, 06:24:00 am
I love it... them colors work so well together.



They certainly do  :thumbsup:

Nice work Jon
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on October 01, 2018, 03:30:45 pm
So this is what happened after Odekirk and Palmer ran into Dr. Vogt at the Brown Derby.
The weekend was legendary, but what they discovered on Palmer's drawing board when
they awoke hungover on Monday morning was quickly hidden away and all  three agreed
it never happened, that "what happens in Hollywood, stays in Hollywood" a slogan later
stolen by the upstarts in the Nevada desert.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/WHAT-IF-GBs/i-rDp8MbL/0/58a8abb4/XL/H1_PALMER_VOGT_01-XL.jpg)

Really quick-n-dirty Photoshop.
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 01, 2018, 03:50:28 pm
Are you sure Tophe wasn't on that design team?  ;D ;)
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on October 01, 2018, 03:59:32 pm
There were rumours that the bartender had a French accent, he disappeared
after that weekend and was never seen again. A wino in the alley behind
the Derby claimed to have seen him step into a glowing globe which then
vanished. His story was dismissed as the ramblings of a wetbrain with the DTs.
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: NARSES2 on October 02, 2018, 06:05:52 am
Certainly an interesting looking aeroplane  :thumbsup:

There were rumours that the bartender had a French accent, he disappeared
after that weekend and was never seen again. A wino in the alley behind
the Derby claimed to have seen him step into a glowing globe which then
vanished. His story was dismissed as the ramblings of a wetbrain with the DTs.

Sure it was a glowing globe and not a police box ?  ;)
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 05, 2019, 03:16:30 pm
The most recent project, a new art piece and a model of sorts, I made it as a donation
to a local arts organization, the Schack Arts Center, for their Fall Silent Auction fundraiser.

A roughly half-size replication of a 15th century BCE Egyptian flint-bladed sickle. Mahogany,
ebony, wenge, rosewood, white acrylic (to approximate the flint) and graphite epoxy
(both as adhesive and to simulate the pitch used to secure the "flints", so yes, it's purposely
visible).

It's mounted on a 12" X 12" hardboard panel faced pre-primed 1.5" thick frame that was supplied
by the arts organization, it will be on display with works by other artists all on the same supplied
panel. The panel is coated with a gold gesso, and the sides covered with 1/16th mahogany ,
which you can't see because in my usual fashion I forgot to get a proper series of photos.
 :banghead:
I'll go get some proper non-phone photos when it's hung.
 ;D

(http://photos.smugmug.com/JCF-ART/i-QxpH9Gr/0/03a7ba03/X2/SICKLE_01-X2.jpg)

https://www.schack.org/events/schack-toberfest/fall-silent-auction/

If anyone in the Greater Puget Sound area wants to go bid the auction is from Sept. 12th to 19th,
the final night being their annual Pints & Pumpkins event where you can drink beer, look at art,
watch glassblowers and schmooze.
https://www.schack.org/events/pints-pumpkins-2019/
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 05, 2019, 03:17:27 pm
Oh yeah, I am still working on my model projects, they've just taken a back-seat for a bit.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: zenrat on September 06, 2019, 04:23:56 am
Now that, to my eye, is a very pleasing shape.

Good work.
 :thumbsup:

Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: NARSES2 on September 06, 2019, 06:06:40 am
I do like that Jon  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: Rick Lowe on September 15, 2019, 01:32:06 am
Hey JCF, wrt the B-52, with the bits left over you could do something I've seen here, vis. an AWACS with B-52 twinned engine pods...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: zenrat on September 15, 2019, 03:38:47 am
I have consulted my Egyptology advisor (doesn't everyone have one?) and he informs me that the design of the sickle stems from an asses jawbone.  He even sent me a (far too small to post here) ancient wall painting of an ancient Egyptian using said equines mouthparts to cut their grass.
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 16, 2019, 01:56:24 pm
I have consulted my Egyptology advisor (doesn't everyone have one?) and he informs me that the design of the sickle stems from an asses jawbone.  He even sent me a (far too small to post here) ancient wall painting of an ancient Egyptian using said equines mouthparts to cut their grass.

Yep.
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 28, 2019, 10:49:45 am
It went for $120 at the silent auction, all funds support their education programs,
and was purchased by a member of the organization's Board of Directors.
 ;D

I got the feedback that everybody at the Schack who saw the piece was impressed
by the craftsmanship.
 ;D
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: Old Wombat on September 29, 2019, 12:20:00 am
That's always good to hear! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: zenrat on September 29, 2019, 04:18:29 am
Well done Jon.
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: NARSES2 on September 29, 2019, 05:34:47 am
Well done Jon.

Indeed ?
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 29, 2019, 01:19:45 pm
Thanks folks.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on November 25, 2019, 04:58:49 pm
A couple more photos.

(http://photos.smugmug.com/JCF-ART/i-T7VKwHw/0/8bf04493/O/SICKLE_03.jpg)

(http://photos.smugmug.com/JCF-ART/i-V3wLv7h/0/9fc6802f/O/SICKLE_04.jpg)
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 25, 2019, 05:34:20 pm
I had to go back and read up. Very interesting and extremely well done! Outstanding! Were you so inclined you could make side cash creating knives and pipes and the like.  :mellow: :mellow:  (But I dunno, I find the minute that a hobby turns to "for profit" all the fun leaks out).

Very lovely and more so mounted.  :mellow: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: Captain Canada on November 26, 2019, 01:26:43 pm
B-52 looks great ! But why are your bombs so angry ? I'm sure they'd have enough to say when they hit the ground lol

 :cheers:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on November 26, 2019, 01:58:16 pm
B-52 looks great ! But why are your bombs so angry ? I'm sure they'd have enough to say when they hit the ground lol

 :cheers:

 ;D ;D ;D ;D :thumbsup: :wacko:
Title: Re: JCFs Junque Closet of the Fantastique
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on November 26, 2019, 02:01:59 pm
I had to go back and read up. Very interesting and extremely well done! Outstanding! Were you so inclined you could make side cash creating knives and pipes and the like.  :mellow: :mellow:  (But I dunno, I find the minute that a hobby turns to "for profit" all the fun leaks out).

Very lovely and more so mounted.  :mellow: :thumbsup:

I've made jewelry and the occasional miniature weapon since about 1979, I was at Pike Place
Market in Seattle making and selling mixed metal jewelry full time from late 84 to early 89.
I've made and occasionally sold pieces since.