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Picture Post => Plane Spotting => Topic started by: GTX on November 30, 2009, 09:39:31 pm

Title: How low can you go?
Post by: GTX on November 30, 2009, 09:39:31 pm
Self Explanatory:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ca15/LANCASTERBOSCOMBEDOWNPOSTWAR32.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ca15/s79_278sq_132gr_as.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Captain Canada on November 30, 2009, 09:48:47 pm
The Lanc with 3 feathered wins by a mile !

 :wub:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Acree on November 30, 2009, 10:01:39 pm
My GUESS is, (unless it is photo-shopped), the Lanc with 3 feathered is in the process of a gear up landing, not a low pass.  Seems pretty reckless to do a low pass intentionally with three shut down.  Not trying to be pedantic, just pointing it out. 

Chuck
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: beowulf on December 01, 2009, 01:20:15 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvDDDKnNhuE


 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Weaver on December 01, 2009, 04:48:19 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYJTCQAOo7I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fisq2v_w0wg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGpX1tatjYk&NR=1



Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: beowulf on December 01, 2009, 05:11:31 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUYbklFpUSg

one i posted on the tube a loooooooong time ago
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on December 01, 2009, 06:55:05 am
Su-30 demo bird. Duck!!! :o

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/Su-30VeryLow1.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/Su-30VeryLow2.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/Su-30VeryLow3.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/Su-30VeryLow4.jpg)

Had to post this old gag too!
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/TomcatWaterSkiing.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Weaver on December 01, 2009, 08:13:23 am

Had to post this old gag too!

Not quite that fast, but I do have a REAL picture of the captain of HMS Ambuscade water-skiing across the equator, towed behind the torpedo-decoy winch..... ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Black Knight on December 01, 2009, 09:17:31 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRt5mvk-2iw&feature=PlayList&p=55DB6C7F3159F1EC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=19
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 01, 2009, 05:22:21 pm
The infamous Omani Jaguar delivery flight flypast. Not a good vid but they sure are low and FAST!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=encHAgG22Fg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=encHAgG22Fg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on December 02, 2009, 05:59:32 am
Harrier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_xm3P0l3n8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_xm3P0l3n8&feature=related)

F-16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7pmFHhNSfE&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7pmFHhNSfE&NR=1)

KC-135
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowzP5280mQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowzP5280mQ&feature=related)

Vulcan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kql3Gura4s4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kql3Gura4s4)

A-10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kgusd1rN6E&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kgusd1rN6E&feature=related)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: B777LR on December 02, 2009, 07:02:03 am
Antonov An-12 in africa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W6Y-j6XCfI

An-26 in Poland

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJXE-qi-SLo&feature=related

C-130 in Sweden

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOSRubXJHQo

Backfire in Russia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAhWU19etQM&feature=related

DC-3 in Iceland

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyUJIC6I7ic&NR=1

A310 in Portugal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ6t_R-FTUk&annotation_id=annotation_649207&feature=iv

747-300 in Bolivia

 
MD-87 in Denmark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWC7CgYZnPw&NR=1

Quote

Vulcan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kql3Gura4s4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kql3Gura4s4)


Looks more like an aborted landing to me


The French like going low. Almost had my hair trimmed by an AS 550 when i was in France. That was not close, that was insanely close.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: pyro-manic on December 02, 2009, 07:11:13 am
I think the Jags and the KC-135 are the best vids so far. Most impressive. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on December 02, 2009, 07:45:57 am

Looks more like an aborted landing to me


Possibly, but it's also a classic airshow manouvere.  The Vulcan comes in very low over the runway, then roates hard & may wingover too.  You get to hear that howl from the Olympus engines as they propel the Vulcan skyborne.

I was trying to find footage or a pic of the Vulcan at very low level as these girls could (& would) go down to near treetop height.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: JJC on December 02, 2009, 12:09:43 pm
mirage F1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa_KrNNebzU


spitfire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCKGApBbdoM
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Just call me Ray on December 02, 2009, 07:17:05 pm

KC-135
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowzP5280mQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowzP5280mQ&feature=related)



Ohhh, not so fast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsirCoxcfo4


Nevermind the, uhhh...interesting fellow in the makeup there.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: B777LR on December 03, 2009, 05:53:18 am
Low flying 727

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl7QgjdRONo

Low flying 737-200 (sounds like an F-16)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkXDagQv0Ho&feature=related

And a 747SP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08G4z63PShc&feature=quicklist

Low DC-10 (with horrible music)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTMC_EcrAz0&feature=related

Go-around A380

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqEkvhX6YpQ&feature=related



KC-135
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowzP5280mQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowzP5280mQ&feature=related)



Ohhh, not so fast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsirCoxcfo4


Nevermind the, uhhh...interesting fellow in the makeup there.

Those points were rather invalid. Engine noise is different. Take in mind that the A310 was close to full power in order to pull up and turn. Compare to the noise from the MD-87 video i posted. The MD-87 is far more noisy than the 737, which uses CFMs.
The A310 uses much larger CF-6 engines, the KC-135 uses CFM-56s. Using four CFMs you can run them at much lower power.
The A310 was filmed much closer.
The cameras were different, and so was the sound recorder.
The guy with makeup had clearly not been to africa. The mid-day sun lasts much longer.
The shadow falls perfectly all through the shot, and cover the trees perfectly.

The video is real.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on December 03, 2009, 07:13:33 am
Very odd style he's got, but apart from Thomas' very valid counter arguments, & the title, he doesn't actually debunk it in the end.  He says there isn't enough evidence to write it off, also his 'evidence' is a little weak & he needs to take his own advice.

Backfire!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAhWU19etQM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAhWU19etQM&feature=related)

Not exactly low flying, but the runway at St Maarten is (in)famous for being very close to the beach & aircraft pass overhead just meters above.  Not unknown for pilots to find bikinis caught in the undercarriage! ;D  Several videos available on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=st+maarten+landing&search_type=&aq=0&oq=st+maa (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=st+maarten+landing&search_type=&aq=0&oq=st+maa)
Title: Low Mars
Post by: sequoiaranger on December 03, 2009, 07:25:25 am
This Martin Mars is the LARGEST propeller-driven aircraft flying, I believe.

(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/sequoiaranger/whosaysflyingboat.jpg)

(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/sequoiaranger/whatwater.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on December 03, 2009, 08:02:46 am
Wow!  Is that actually that low, or is it over a valley?  I know there's a place in Wales called the Machynlleth loop, where the RAF & other NATO air forces go to practice low flying, it's an aviation photographers paradise.  It can often appear that an aircraft is just meters from the ground as they pass through the valleys, but that's because you're looking at it over a crest.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: B777LR on December 03, 2009, 09:37:51 am
Wow!  Is that actually that low, or is it over a valley?

I've seen similar photos and videos of it. I think they do it when it comes in to scoop up water from small-ish lakes, to fill the tanks completely.

The Mars is the largest flying piston aircraft. The An-22 is the largest prop, and was for a period the largest plane in the world. The Spruce Goose beats them both, but it doesn't fly today...
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kitnut617 on December 03, 2009, 09:51:34 am
Wow!  Is that actually that low, or is it over a valley?  I know there's a place in Wales called the Machynlleth loop, where the RAF & other NATO air forces go to practice low flying, it's an aviation photographers paradise.  It can often appear that an aircraft is just meters from the ground as they pass through the valleys, but that's because you're looking at it over a crest.

Simon. my brother was on holiday a few years ago over in Penticton/Kelowna area which is on the Okanagan Lake (a very long narrow lake typical of the area) and there were huge forest fires going on all around them at the time. The two Mars were being used to firebomb these fires and filling up by skimming the lake, everybody was banned from using the lake although the vacationers could still use the beaches.  My brother told me these aircraft came so close to the ground you could almost touch them, so what you are seeing in the photos more than likely happened.  The lake shoreline is probably just out of view.
Title: Lakeshore Close
Post by: sequoiaranger on December 03, 2009, 01:37:20 pm
>My brother told me these aircraft came so close to the ground you could almost touch them, so what you are seeing in the photos more than likely happened.  The lake shoreline is probably just out of view.<

Ya Got Me! Here is the next photo in the Mars sequence. Just because it is near the water takes NOTHING away from the expert flying needed to come in this low and fast in such a large airplane. Seriously, the Mars is still probably 20+ feet above the land/water, but it LOOKS closer because of the sheer size of the aircraft.

PS-- my uncle flew the Mars for the US Navy back in early '50's.

(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/sequoiaranger/thatsjustclose.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Logan Hartke on December 03, 2009, 02:03:18 pm
Very neat, Sequoiaranger.  They said that modern pilots of the monsters are super-experienced with hours in a myriad of types who pass up very lucrative positions with major airlines flying the best planes in the fleet in order to take a relatively low-paying position flying the Mars.  They say that it's all worth it when you're sitting around a table with a bunch of other pilots and everyone's saying what types they fly.  People go through the normal list: 737, A320, 757, A330, 767, A340, 777, then someone says 747 and looks around smugly.  All you have to do is lean back and say "I fly the Martin Mars."  Instant trump card.

It's like Brian Regan's "I walked on the Moon" routine.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on December 03, 2009, 02:21:04 pm
Fantastic stuff, thanks for the clarification guys! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: chrisonord on December 03, 2009, 04:03:43 pm
Just watched a program of the Martin Mars firebomber, they now have an S-71 Helicopter flying with them that is fitted with collision avoidance equipment. This is because of a fatal accident that happened involving one of the Mars aircraft.
Chris.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Black Knight on December 05, 2009, 12:08:52 am
DC-3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyUJIC6I7ic&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_stronger_r2-2r-2-HM

A-310
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfhC9ft_hk&feature=related

Lots of low passes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4vrV-pbJ8g
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: B777LR on December 08, 2009, 01:34:56 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lECmDMxR-rA&feature=channel

Danish Lynx in Greenland and Iceland
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: GTX on December 12, 2009, 06:57:35 pm
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/image010.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Steel Penguin on December 13, 2009, 09:42:00 am
i realy expected that photo to have a ZELL system behind it! :blink:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: beowulf on December 15, 2009, 03:38:00 pm
so im looking thro all my pics for some Tiger meet pics and found these........... ;D


(http://i49.tinypic.com/2s8r4tf.jpg)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/swwhuw.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: beowulf on December 25, 2009, 01:42:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De5AsC5ULQs
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: GTX on January 13, 2010, 12:11:59 pm
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2BBc6-JDVWY/S0n4JFoiXhI/AAAAAAAAGsU/hK0F2QbiXb8/s1600/AN-12%2BOSO%2BPASADITA.JPG)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: B777LR on January 13, 2010, 01:31:03 pm
 :o :o :o

Welcome to Russia...
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: nev on January 13, 2010, 10:34:08 pm
They've just photoshopped out the wheels, right....? :blink:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Ian the Kiwi Herder on January 14, 2010, 05:16:35 am
I think that I’ve recounted these stories before, but they bare telling once again in the light of this thread. I SWEAR these are true and they happened to me – I cannot, of course, prove it, you’ll just have to take my word for it.

Ian the A-10 target:
Between 1989 (when I reluctantly came back from working in the USA) and 1991, I had a fantastic job which required that I drive over virtually the entire country. Once I got the hang-of-it I very quickly worked out that if I worked my a*se off for two or three days in the week, then I could basically do whatever I wanted on the balance….. and I got all my petrol and expenses paid for !!

So one spring day I was making my way from Waddington to Coningsby – it was late morning and the enthusiasts at Waddo had explained that they were all going over to CBY in the afternoon as some Canadian F/A-18’s were due-in around 1500. I decided to get a head start and headed off right away – not interested in the imminent arrival of a Norwegian Herky as they were – on the way across, somewhere in Billinghay as I turned turn left onto the A153 I saw four ‘shapes’ that were definitely not birds off to the northeast.

The shapes came closer, got bigger, and had lots of pylons dangling under the broad straight wings.

Note:
It was spring, therefore the fields around were very green and I was driving a bright red ‘rep-mobile’


Excited at seeing not one but four A-10’s about to cross the road in front of me at ‘hedge height’ I slowed right down from my usual 60mph, and quickly pulled into a muddy access lane to a farm. I watched them turn their noses toward me, and jumped out of the car.

All four dropped into line astern. The first two went right over the car, the second two throttled right back, ‘popped-up’ and dived either side. They all disappeared over the hedges and within a few seconds I couldn’t even hear them let alone see them.

I stood for the longest moment just catching my breath…..

Told the enthusiasts at CBY later, and the locals all nodded sagely saying stuff like, “Yeah they do that…..” or “Bl**dy yanks, eh ?”

Beware Brick’s & Rhino’s:
Same time period. Went up to Scotland on a week off – completely on my own – for a weeks’ driving holiday, my intent was to navigate by the B&B’s and RAF airfields !!

Arrived at Lossiemouth just before lunchtime, having never been there before, (or since), and not knowing what to expect. At the north end of the field there’s a Golf Links, and there on a cinder covered lay-by were a couple of enthusiasts – isn’t it strange that we can always spot each other even tho’ we’ve never met ! – “Afternoon lads…. Anything today ??” I asked.

Before the blokes could respond, a youngster shouted “There !”

We all turned as two Buccaneer’s screamed over our heads, no more than twenty feet, everything ‘hanging-down-and-out’ on finals. I didn’t realise that the piano keys were literally just beyond the fence behind us.

Stayed there all afternoon, three or four Jags, multiple Brick’s a couple of German F-4’s and a Norwegian F-16 accompanied by two F-5’s each carrying five drop tanks.

The following day I set off for Leuchars and didn’t arrive until very late afternoon. Stayed in a fantastic wee hotel on a crossroads about five miles from the station. That evening I sat outside with all the other residents and most of the local populace till 2230, watching/experiencing the Phantoms fly endless circuits and bumps, using the hotel as one of the turn points. Minimum altitude 100ft over inhabited areas – Forget it !! – try 50ft MAXIMUM, and with full burners….

And finally;

Objects in the rear-view mirror may be....
Every now and then, work and kiddies permitting, I have a day just for me. Usually theses are spent making/painting bits of plastic or drinking beer/eating burgers/talking complete nonsense with my good friend Dork or just occasionally watching aircraft.

On this occasion I was driving around Shropshire looking at old airfields – there’s loads surrounding Shrewsbury and it’s a really nice drive out there from Merseyside. I’d been to quite a few, Hinstock, Child’s Ercall/Peplow, Sleap and Rednall. I was on my way off the field at Rednall, out of the northwest gate, the road follows the course of the ‘Shroppie’ the Shropshire Union Canal – the canal is on your right, with nothing but a low fence and the old towpath separating you from the water.

There had been helo’s buzzing around all day, mainly Squirrels from Shawbury, but also a few Griffins and a couple of Merlins. As I was about to join the main road toward Oswestry, I looked in the mirror and saw a big, dark ‘thing’ rushing toward me along the canal !.

I was transfixed – sounds dramatic, I know, but there’s no other word for it – simultaneously, the ‘thing’ suddenly took form and switched on a really powerful searchlight, my car shook and the Chinook thundered past, it’s cockpit at exactly the same height as my car, just a metre or so above the water, and leaving a h*ll of a wake.

I looked straight at the ‘Loadie’ hanging out of the open door, just as he waved to me.

Outstanding !

Ian

 






Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 14, 2010, 06:34:04 am
Ian,

Hehe, I know JUST what you mean about A-10s and low level Buccs! You should have waved over the hedge at Lossie, my daughter was almost certainly working the threshold caravan in those days.  :lol:

Years ago, in the late 60s, I used to fly R/C gliders over the beach at Rhossili, on the west coast of the Gower, west of Swansea. The south end of Rhossilli beach is terminated by a long finger of high cliffs called Worms Head, and when we moved down here in the early 80s I took my wife Mary over there to show her the place.

It was a DIABOLICAL day, windy and damp as only a South Wales day can be, and while we struggled along the headland toward Worms Head a two ship of A-10s flew past to the south at around 1500 ft and turned toward the ranges at the north end of Rhossilli beach, so we watched while they bombed South Wales into submission  :lol: and then formed up to return. This time they were much lower, maybe 500 ft, and much closer as they turned east almost overhead. Of course we were on top of the cliffs so they were only 200 ft above us or so, and we got a great view of them. Mary, being the total loon that she is, leapt up and down and waved like a madwoman at the two aircraft, and then the leader did a 180 turn and came back!!!

She went TOTALLY bananas then, screaming and shouting and waving etc, and as the guy came overhead he inverted the aircraft and waved back at her through the canopy!  :lol: ;D

Somewhere in my 35 mm files I have a great photo of him doing it, and all you can see of the aircraft IS the canopy, he was that low. Mind you, I was using a 200 mm lens at the time, but it was a great show nonetheless.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: beowulf on January 14, 2010, 09:12:11 am
from this years Dakar

(http://i46.tinypic.com/fw7p77.jpg)

 ;D ;D ;D

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2a6rz0w.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: B777LR on January 14, 2010, 09:16:22 am
from this years Dakar

(http://i46.tinypic.com/fw7p77.jpg)

 ;D ;D ;D

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2a6rz0w.jpg)


Wouldn't that be 2009? In Argentina ;D
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: nev on January 14, 2010, 09:56:16 am
Ian, you forgot the time a Typhoon blew a fence down on you ;)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kitnut617 on January 14, 2010, 10:12:30 am

Wouldn't that be 2009? In Argentina

This year --- Dakar

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80844
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: B777LR on January 14, 2010, 10:52:23 am

Wouldn't that be 2009? In Argentina

This year --- Dakar

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80844

Already? Didn't know that...
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Steel Penguin on January 14, 2010, 12:18:16 pm
ill agree with Ian abought the A10 pilots,  they have a seance of the insane.  I grew up in a village between Bath and Bristol, and got used to naming RAF types by engine noise, and having to point out to freinds that they were looking the wrong way for them, " no there down the vally now, Jags"  i used to do a paper round that went up the back of the village up a hill side and once heard an unfailiar jet sound, looking round i realise that its still aprocing ( very unusall, RAF types never hung round) then my eye was drawn to the small stream valley below me, with the A10 coming up it, below me, as he went parrallel to the pylons and inverted to go over the brow.  I was utterly amazed.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: sideshowbob9 on January 14, 2010, 01:27:01 pm
Once had a 2-ship of A-10s perform a fly-by when I was absailing down the White Cliffs of Dover with the Scouts. A very timely distraction  for me as I was admitedly bricking it at the time!  ;D

Knowing I was a plane buff, one of my fellow scouts shouted up "what were they?" "A-10s" I shouted back feeling slightly obsurd as I dangled 100-odd feet in the air.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Ian the Kiwi Herder on January 14, 2010, 11:42:05 pm
Ian, you forgot the time a Typhoon blew a fence down on you ;)

It was two fences, Nev, and no I didn't forget, I simply chose not to remember   ;D

Ian
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Weaver on January 15, 2010, 05:12:07 am
Comic Timing.

My late girlfreind was a passionate fan of the Lake District and did her level best to get up there at every opportunity. One one trip, with her leading, we went to a "blind" valley where the road crosses the closed end high up (sorry, can't remember the name). We parked the bikes and walked across to look at the view, and just as we got to the rail and just as the words "listen to that glorious silence!" had passed Anne's lips, a Tornado, which had been flying up the valley towards us, went past us vertically in full burner at a distance of about 100ft......  :blink:

As soon as we'd retrieved our eardrums from the middle of our heads and could contemplate speech again, I had to say it: "Listen to that glorious noise!"  :wacko:

Glorious Silence was all I got from her for the rest of the afternoon........ :rolleyes:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: nev on January 15, 2010, 08:59:46 am
Growing up just a few miles from the bombing range at Donna Nook, A-10s were a regular sight - and sound.  Their distinctive BU_UUUUUUURP carried a long way on a clear day.  Remember helping my dad on a job in a remote farmhouse, being tossbombed by a flight of 4 :D

During the Gulf War (first one) I opened my bedroom curtains one morning just in time to see a desert pink Tornado streak past, level with my window :o  I assume it was in the pool of attrition replacements.

Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: nev on January 15, 2010, 09:02:09 am
Ian, you forgot the time a Typhoon blew a fence down on you ;)

It was two fences, Nev, and no I didn't forget, I simply chose not to remember   ;D

Ian

And weren't you nearly decpitated by a Turkish Phantom?
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: lancer on January 15, 2010, 09:25:19 am
I was on a wilderness survival course in Scotland back in the mid 80's and I remember being buzzed by a 2 ship A10 flight. We waved at them and they also did an orbit over us and ended up using us as a mock target for a strafing run. ~They couldn't have been more that 100ft off the deck either. Later that same day we got buzzed again but this time by an F111 going like a cat with it's tail on fire! I thought Tornado's were noisy but this bugger was LOUD, he was alos pretty low as well. The rest of the course went off with bno other contacts but my ears were still ringing from the '111 2 days later when the course finished. Good times I wish were back again.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Ian the Kiwi Herder on January 15, 2010, 10:32:24 am
And weren't you nearly decpitated by a Turkish Phantom?

No that wasn't me, that was on the flying-in day at Waddo a coupla years back..... saw it happen tho': The Rhino driver was on long finals and somehow, seriously undershot/misjudged his approach, missed the boundary fence by less than a metre. Unfortunately the camera toting enthusiast on the ladder, leaning against the fence, was two metres above..... I'll allow your collective imaginations to 'fill-in-the-blanks'.....

.....not really a Low Flying story, that one.

Ian
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on January 15, 2010, 01:00:37 pm
Growing up just a few miles from the bombing range at Donna Nook, A-10s were a regular sight - and sound.  Their distinctive BU_UUUUUUURP carried a long way on a clear day.  Remember helping my dad on a job in a remote farmhouse, being tossbombed by a flight of 4 :D

During the Gulf War (first one) I opened my bedroom curtains one morning just in time to see a desert pink Tornado streak past, level with my window :o  I assume it was in the pool of attrition replacements.



Same here, but they were on their way to the (now closed) off shore range at Cowden instead.  We used to go watch them with my Dad, we thought it was hilarious to hear the A-10's would fart (Heck of a follow through...)!  They used to pass low round the edge of the village were I grew up, Tornadoes too & the occasional other type.  I also remember seeing a Desert Pink Tonka while doing my paper round just before the war started, it was part of a four ship with three others in standard wraparound.  A lot of activity in those times, still see the occasional Tonka, but rarely these days.  Used to go to Spurn Point too & watch the F-15's line up on the ships.

My Dad had a story of being targeted, although it wasn't a mock.  He was an avid sea angler & his club had got a couple of boats.  They fished off the coast not too far from the range at Cowden.  One day, they were minding there own business when they saw a couple of Vulcans nearby at low level (if not as extreme as some of these pics), which then turned towards them.  My Dad had watched them at Cowden and twigged, the floating targets were orange, the boats had red canvas tops & the Vulcans would probably have been carrying practice bombs.  The nav had probably assumed he'd got off course when he mistakenly got a visual.  They waved everything they havd & the Vulcans turned off, waggling their wings.

Like Ian, I can't prove it & my Dad passed on a few years back, but he swore it happened.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kitnut617 on January 15, 2010, 02:03:28 pm

Same here, but they were on their way to the (now closed) off shore range at Cowden instead.  We used to go watch them with my Dad, we thought it was hilarious to hear the A-10's would fart (Heck of a follow through...)!  They used to pass low round the edge of the village were I grew up, Tornadoes too & the occasional other type.  I also remember seeing a Desert Pink Tonka while doing my paper round just before the war started, it was part of a four ship with three others in standard wraparound.  A lot of activity in those times, still see the occasional Tonka, but rarely these days.  Used to go to Spurn Point too & watch the F-15's line up on the ships.

My Dad had a story of being targeted, although it wasn't a mock.  He was an avid sea angler & his club had got a couple of boats.  They fished off the coast not too far from the range at Cowden.  One day, they were minding there own business when they saw a couple of Vulcans nearby at low level (if not as extreme as some of these pics), which then turned towards them.  My Dad had watched them at Cowden and twigged, the floating targets were orange, the boats had red canvas tops & the Vulcans would probably have been carrying practice bombs.  The nav had probably assumed he'd got off course when he mistakenly got a visual.  They waved everything they havd & the Vulcans turned off, waggling their wings.

Like Ian, I can't prove it & my Dad passed on a few years back, but he swore it happened.

There was a few stories similar from around where I lived in the UK, the local lobster fishermen would tell tales about being 'shelled' by the Army when they were doing a live fire exercise just off Lulworth Cove, and the fishermen hadn't seen the red flags that were hoisted up on the cliff tops.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 15, 2010, 04:48:12 pm
Low level Vulcans, hmm, that brings back awful memories.........

In the '70s when I was at BR, some of the guys there were mad walkers, and wanted to do the Lyke Wake Walk (don't ask....) which goes from somewhere on the west end of the Yorks Moors to Ravenscar on the coast. For some reason they had to start around 10 or 11 pm, which meant lots of food, coffee, soup etc was needed and as I had a big Bedford CF van I got the nod for the job.

So off we went, drumped off the walkers and I positioned myself at various crossing points to feed and suport the guys. In the early morning, about 7-8 am, I was parked up some miles north of Fylingdales, waiting for them to arrive, but had an hour or so to wait so I got out my R/C glider and launched it into the valley to my east. It was a dead end valley, quite deep and full of mist so it looked as if someone had dumped a cloud in there. I was getting some good lift and soared the model back and forth across the slope and above the mist obviously.

Then I became aware of a dull roar from somewhere, I felt it rather than heard it at first, and realised it was coming from my right, up the valley. All of a sudden I saw a sort of wake on top of the mist with what looked like a shark's fin sticking out of the top and coming like HELL toward me!  :o

In a flash I realised it was a Vulcan fin, and the aircraft was using its terrain folllowing radar to fly up the valley, and any second it would have to climb to miss the end of the valley. What was right where it would be going? Correct, my glider!

I had visions of the next day's headlines, 'Model aircraft downs RAF V Bomber!' etc etc. and in a flash I dived the model into the mist, and at the same moment the Vulcan roared into view trailing streams of vapour from its wings and tail tip. It climbed above the end of the valley leaving me a shuddering wreck, not only because of the mind blowing noise, but also because of how close I'd come to having the most expensive mid-air in UK history!

Needless to say the glider had vanished into the mist and I had no chance to find it then, but when the walkers arrived a couple of us went down into the gorse to search and one of the  other guys found it. It was bright yellow with red wingtips so it wasn't that difficult to see I guess, but it was a total basket case, even the radio kit was smashed to bits, and I just carted it to the nearest big bin and tossed it in.

Better that than an even BIGGER basket case though!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: nev on January 16, 2010, 12:33:45 am
IMO its worth losing the glider just to have experienced the Vulcan kit :)

There was a great low level thread on ARC some time back.  I remember one of the posters being a USAFE Phantom RIO in the 70s, saying how much he used to enjoy the low level work in the hills & valleys of Wales and the lake district, and looking up at the shocked faces on the climbers and walkers :)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kitnut617 on January 16, 2010, 07:37:21 am

Wouldn't that be 2009? In Argentina

This year --- Dakar

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80844

Already? Didn't know that...

Apologies Thomas, it is in South America ----- but it is happening right now.  Sainz is in the lead driving a VW
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: B777LR on January 16, 2010, 07:39:21 am

Wouldn't that be 2009? In Argentina

This year --- Dakar

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80844

Already? Didn't know that...

Apologies Thomas, it is in South America ----- but it is happening right now.  Sainz is in the lead driving a VW

Didn't Volkswagen win last year?
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: upnorth on January 17, 2010, 03:02:06 am
Here's a couple of picture's I took of Poland's Bily Iskry team from an airshow in 2008. They had a quite impressive low flying section of their display. Sadly these are the only two pictures I have of that part of the routine:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/Brno%20air%20show%202008/2008_0906ciaf080120.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/Brno%20air%20show%202008/2008_0906ciaf080116.jpg)

Here's a picture I took of a Czech Mil Mi-17 Hip making a low pass over some armor in 2008:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/NATO%20Day%202008/2008_0920natoday080073.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 17, 2010, 03:12:33 pm
For a relative cornucopia of low level pics there's always http://lowfly.net/index.html (http://lowfly.net/index.html)

Many of the pics there are taken from ABOVE the aircraft, for crying out loud, and there's not only some amazing flying but the photographic work is top class too.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: GTX on January 25, 2010, 05:15:56 pm
Must be time for a repost of this (http://video.yahoo.com/watch/123099/1505091).

Note:  Works better with the sound turned on!

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 25, 2010, 05:42:17 pm
They're all mad, those Frenchies.........  :lol: ;D

Thank goodness!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Aircav on January 28, 2010, 10:26:08 am
Mossie and Phantom
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: beowulf on January 28, 2010, 03:36:03 pm
not low but still very nice to watch  :mellow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcbHKafEaUs
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: nev on January 29, 2010, 12:21:11 am
Is the Phantom one the guy who was on his last flight and decided to "go for it".  I recall he got in trouble, but as he was leaving the mob, only so much they could do.

I have seen a picture, taken at RAF Binbrook in '89 as the flight ops were winding down, of a Lighting doing a touch and go on the apron! :o
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Aircav on January 31, 2010, 09:34:32 am
USAF F-4D

(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q201/aircav14/469630141_b2408cd119_o1.jpg)

And a Greek "E"

(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q201/aircav14/f4lowpass2ez3.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Nils on January 31, 2010, 11:40:32 am
this is how WE do it, "Belgian Air Force"-style  ;D

Alpha Jet,
watch the last aircraft fly by, that is really low  :mellow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byLplPe-_2k

Airbus A310
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrYjWsqBaJY

F-16AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNVDkH5AZ4
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Ian the Kiwi Herder on February 01, 2010, 12:49:30 am
Always enjoyed that Alpha Jet sequence, one of my fave's. Never seen that F-16 footage before. And as for that low-level F-4D.... think I just died and went to Phantom Heaven !!

Ian
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 01, 2010, 05:17:57 am
And as for that low-level F-4D.... think I just died and went to Phantom Heaven !!

If he'd got any lower with that starboard wingtip that's probably where he'd be too........
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Aircav on February 01, 2010, 09:37:40 am
This is cool for a 747.  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgusXzo6omU&feature=related
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Nils on February 01, 2010, 09:57:31 am
i dont know if someone posted this already, but hereare some low German F-4F's  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxOh7SGSIQQ
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: pyro-manic on February 01, 2010, 11:00:25 am
That 747 one was good. I remember at the Kemble airshow a few years ago, the RNZAF had a 757 doing a demo, and it pulled into a very hard right turn immediately after clearing the runway on takeoff. Very impressive seeing something so large pulling a turn like that.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Martin H on February 01, 2010, 12:12:00 pm
Is the Phantom one the guy who was on his last flight and decided to "go for it".  I recall he got in trouble, but as he was leaving the mob, only so much they could do.

Yep thats the one, Even thou he was on his last day, they could have court marshaled him. But most likley bribed the St Athan station commander with a few bottles of single malt to forget about it.

I have seen a picture, taken at RAF Binbrook in '89 as the flight ops were winding down, of a Lighting doing a touch and go on the apron! :o

Oh that became quite a frequent event in the last days of the Lightning force. The pilots were basicly told to go out and play, and find out what the Lightning could realy do. And it didnt matter if they bent a few in the process.
Apparently the true max altitude for the Lightning is still on the secret list..althou its also claimed that no one realy knows just how high they could go. (there are stories of Lightnings intercepting over flying U-2's....from above)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 01, 2010, 07:21:10 pm
(there are stories of Lightnings intercepting over flying U-2's....from above)

I know Meteors that could do that...........  -_-
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: nev on February 01, 2010, 10:49:09 pm

Apparently the true max altitude for the Lightning is still on the secret list..althou its also claimed that no one realy knows just how high they could go. (there are stories of Lightnings intercepting over flying U-2's....from above)

My dads told me about that in the past - IIRC the trick was to go all ballistic and follow a parabolic flight path, passing the U-2 on the way down :)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on February 02, 2010, 05:34:36 am
A few unusual types doing low flying shenanigans from Airliners.net:

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/LowFlyingAirbusA310TAPPortugal.jpg)
A310 ATP Air Portugal

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/LowFlyingAn-30RussianAirForce.jpg)
An-30 Russian Air Force

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/LowFlyingB-17GUSAAF.jpg)
Preserved B-17G

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/LowFlyingP-51Mustang.jpg)
Preserved P-51D

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/LowFlyingPiperPawnee.jpg)
Piper Pawnees crop dusting

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/LowFlyingSaundersRoePrincess.jpg)
Saunders Roe Princess :wub:  Imagine the sound from those ten engines!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on February 02, 2010, 05:43:51 am
Some more:

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/LowFlyingBoeing737AerolineasArgenti.jpg)
737 Aerolineas Argentinas final flight

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/LowFlyingCanadairCL-44AerTuras.jpg)
Canadair CL-44 Aer Turas

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/LowFlyingFokkerF-27TroopshipKlu.jpg)
Fokker F-27 Troopship KLu

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/LowFlyingTornadoGR-4RAF.jpg)
Tornado GR.4 RAF, kind of a normal day at the office for these guys....

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/LowFlyingTornadoF-3RAF.jpg)
Tornado F.3 RAF  ....but not so much for the F.3, more used to being high in the clouds.  This is in the Machynlleth loop (known as Mach loop) that features in Kits link.  The F.3 is passing a mountainside & this is taken from above the aircraft.  You can even see the back seater reading his map!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Nils on February 02, 2010, 05:53:06 am
Belgian Fouga magister

(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/7/4/4/0674447.jpg)

(http://www.airscene.co.uk/cc07/008.jpg)

Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 02, 2010, 10:53:47 am
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/LowFlyingSaundersRoePrincess.jpg)
Saunders Roe Princess :wub:  Imagine the sound from those ten engines!

Actually it was remarkably quiet just then, even for something that large. I was right there at the time, and not so far from where that pic was taken I think.

I reckon it was throttled back on the approach though, as when the Captain opened up to climb away it was WELL impressive!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Martin H on February 02, 2010, 01:10:58 pm

Apparently the true max altitude for the Lightning is still on the secret list..althou its also claimed that no one realy knows just how high they could go. (there are stories of Lightnings intercepting over flying U-2's....from above)

My dads told me about that in the past - IIRC the trick was to go all ballistic and follow a parabolic flight path, passing the U-2 on the way down :)

most likly Nev.

The one i kept hearing was a NATO exercise over your neck of the woods. The U2 was being warned of incomeing fighters by a nearby E-3. The U-2 pilot reported back that he couldnt see anything below him, only for a British voice to break in...."Look up Yank!" A pair of F-6's were comeing down at fair rate of knots.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kitnut617 on February 02, 2010, 03:29:42 pm
The one i kept hearing was a NATO exercise over your neck of the woods. The U2 was being warned of incomeing fighters by a nearby E-3. The U-2 pilot reported back that he couldnt see anything below him, only for a British voice to break in...."Look up Yank!" A pair of F-6's were comeing down at fair rate of knots.

Seems that the USAF was fair game when they were in-bound to the UK, I was reading my copy of 'The Hornet File' (as in de Havilland) sometime ago and there's a number of tales in the book of the RAF Hornet (and Venom) pilots intercepting B-36's and B-50's at great height, by flying head on at them and only breaking away at the last second.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: GTX on February 13, 2010, 03:01:24 pm
They've just photoshopped out the wheels, right....? :blink:

Yep - here's the original:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2BBc6-JDVWY/S3QoB1kZB5I/AAAAAAAAGw8/Wc-dE35jY80/s1600/AN-12%2B16%2BSEVEROMORSK%2B17-03-2009.jpg)

Sorry - I only just found out. :banghead:

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Luis Almeida on February 17, 2010, 05:00:19 pm
some more videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCue08Z4OQ4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSVstVU_yYs&feature=related

on our national tv ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTmLXadqLEI&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxHuTcKLT_s&feature=related
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: JJC on February 20, 2010, 03:28:14 am
nice flanker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3c6fMql2uk&feature=related
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: GTX on February 27, 2010, 12:11:47 pm
Speaking of Flankers, how's this for a close call - watch that tail hook:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE6fJMSSl7U

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Artic/Su33cc.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on February 27, 2010, 01:47:41 pm
Hairy! :o  Trying to work out what happened, wether he was waved off very late (big bollocking for whoever made that call), although he does suddenly seem to loose height very close to the deck.  Testament to the Flanker that it can deal with that angle of attack at that speed too, a lesser aircraft would have pancaked.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 27, 2010, 02:44:34 pm
... if the hook HAD caught a wire I hate to think what would have happened! Certainly something would have broke, either on the ship or the aircraft, or both!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: GTX on February 27, 2010, 02:47:46 pm
... if the hook HAD caught a wire I hate to think what would have happened! Certainly something would have broke, either on the ship or the aircraft, or both!

I imagine one of three options:

1.  Aircraft hooked and slammed onto deck - result bad!
2.  Aircraft hooked and rear half ripped off - result bad!
3.  Aircraft arrestor hook and/or arrestor wire damaged severely - result:  pilot gets a radio message saying something to the effect of "well comrade, how do you propose to land now?!" ;D

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Aircav on July 26, 2010, 03:56:46 pm
B-52 and a carrier
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Fulcrum on July 26, 2010, 07:11:14 pm
B-52 and a carrier
I remember a Soviet pilot tried the same thing next to an Essex carrier, only to crash into the Atlantic.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Aircav on July 27, 2010, 01:35:12 am
Heres a low Mirage
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: beowulf on July 27, 2010, 10:29:59 am
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/beowulf04844/stuff/s39.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Nils on July 28, 2010, 06:31:52 am
how is this for low, Belgian Air Force style again  :thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vUUyUg2o0
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: ChernayaAkula on July 28, 2010, 02:30:16 pm
Kenya Air Force F-5E Tiger at the 1997 Nairobi Air Show at Wilson Airport.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/Nairobi%20Air%20Show%201997/scan0001.jpg)

Pic was taken with a cheap 35mm film jobbie and the prints have suffered somewhat over the years.

No zoom on this one. It was that low and near!  :wacko:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/Nairobi%20Air%20Show%201997/scan0006.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: GTX on January 22, 2011, 08:47:52 pm
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2BBc6-JDVWY/TIUvitrXkGI/AAAAAAAAHdU/L-UmpbTLWWQ/s1600/B-33+PEACEMAKER+PASADA+BAJA.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Jschmus on January 22, 2011, 10:54:45 pm
Greg,

That's almost aluminum undercast!

 :blink: :blink: :blink:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: rickshaw on January 22, 2011, 11:09:12 pm
Be _very_ noisy, particularly after its past.  Six big radials (must be an early B-36 - note, no jets).
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on March 23, 2011, 08:28:03 am
L-29 Delfin.  Very gutsy (reckless???) or he's just about to pancake!
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aero-L-29-Delfin/1887338/L/ (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aero-L-29-Delfin/1887338/L/)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: rallymodeller on March 23, 2011, 10:52:32 am
Until recently, the A-10 squadron out of Selfridge ANGB used the St. Clair River as the transit route to get to the range over Lake Huron. They used to fly at very, very low level right down the river until some busybodies on our side of the border complained to our MP about "American armed overflights" and such nonsense. The MI ANG had to change their route further west.

Another occasion (unfortunately I forgot my camera): every year my sports-car club hosts a charity autoslalom as part of the "Cruizin' for CF" cystic-fibrosis benefit. Generally that event is held at the General Motors Electromotive factory parking lot (the erecting shops where EMD assembles their locomotives -- it's right next to General Dynamics Land Systems' LAV factory). The '09 event happened to coincide with the St. Thomas, Ontario air show. St. Thomas has an airport but it is pretty small -- it's an ex-BCATP airfield -- and not all of the aircraft invited could land there, so London Airport was used as the staging area for a lot of the participants. As London Airport is pretty close to EMD, we were treated to an impromptu airshow as the participants returned for fuel and whatnot. For about ten minutes a quartet of Strike Eagles did formation breaks right over us; we were amazed that you could hear the landing-gear and speed-brake actuators from the ground. Then, after about five or six passes by the F-15s, a USAF C-17 came in low, low, low (>1000 feet, maybe? Less?) and did a break right over our heads, about as low as one could get over a populated area. It was my first time seeing a Globemaster that close, and watching it do 80° banks was amazing to say the least. He did about four passes before landing.
Title: Re: Lakeshore Close
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 23, 2011, 11:40:13 am
>My brother told me these aircraft came so close to the ground you could almost touch them, so what you are seeing in the photos more than likely happened.  The lake shoreline is probably just out of view.<

Ya Got Me! Here is the next photo in the Mars sequence. Just because it is near the water takes NOTHING away from the expert flying needed to come in this low and fast in such a large airplane. Seriously, the Mars is still probably 20+ feet above the land/water, but it LOOKS closer because of the sheer size of the aircraft.

PS-- my uncle flew the Mars for the US Navy back in early '50's.

(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/sequoiaranger/thatsjustclose.jpg)

A good pool for the pilots and the FEs were ex-Argus fight crew. The Argus and Mars uses the same engines albeit the the Argus were turbo-super charged. I was able to talk to flightcrew when I was posted a CFB Comox which is about 1 hour east of Port Alberni.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on August 11, 2011, 01:43:18 am
Holy thread ressurections:

Greek A-7's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmmcvb8rjG8)
Lightning (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUY0ut6gOxY&feature=related)   Puffs the afterburner just as you think he's going to splat
Red Arrow Gnats: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljofhhdDGPo&feature=related)  Looks like a training flight as they're flying lower than normal
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 11, 2011, 03:06:53 am
Red Arrow Gnats: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljofhhdDGPo&feature=related)  Looks like a training flight as they're flying lower than normal

That brings back another good memory  ;D

In 1970, when I was working for Track and Structures Dept. of BR's Research Division I found myself working on the Britannia Tubular Bridge over the Menai Staits between N Wales and Angelsey. The bridge had just suffered a catastrophic fire and was eventually written off and re-bult using only the three stone towers from the original structure, but we'd tested the bridge only the previous winter and were asked to come back and re-test it to determine how badly it was damaged.

The bridge stood over 130 ft above the water level, and the three stone towers were a LOT taller than that at their peak. In order to check the stresses on the wrought iron tubes that formed the main bridge structure we had to loosen off the massive bolts that held them down to the towers, and the bolts were on the TOP of the towers. It was very strenuous work and we took numerous breaks to restore ourselves (read as 'knocking back a pint of beer or two'....) and during one of these breaks one of my colleagues said 'Cor, look at that, it's the Red Arrows!'

We all looked up of course but could see nothing, and he shouted 'Not up there, down there!' so we looked down from our lofty perch to see the nine Gnats barrelling past parallel with the bridge, presumably heading for RAF Valley on Anglesey, but about 100 ft LOWER than us!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on August 11, 2011, 03:35:03 am
Excellent! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Rheged on August 11, 2011, 04:04:55 am
I have heard it said that the ultimate low level record is held jointly by an RAF Buccaneer   and an Israeli Phantom. At the time that  the gentlemen in light blue were aviating through the streets of Beruit, a Bucc pilot  swung round over Jordan and went down the length of the Dead Sea (Jordanian side) about 10 feet above the water. The Phantom  was sent up to find out who was playing silly games, and  managed to get down to 50 feet above the water.  Not many pilots can claim to have flown 1300 feet below sea level.

This might be one of those shaggy dog stories that  has no basis in fact but given the behaviour of some  brick outhouse drivers, I'd not be surprised if it was accurate.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Weaver on August 11, 2011, 04:08:47 am
I remember reading a piece by a Bucaneer pilot who said one of the most pleasurable moments of his life was sitting in the back of a USAF F-4, watching a Bucc leave it for dead at low level during a Red Flag exercise.... :wacko:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kitnut617 on August 11, 2011, 06:27:14 am
It was very strenuous work and we took numerous breaks to restore ourselves (read as 'knocking back a pint of beer or two'....) and during one of these breaks one of my colleagues said 'Cor, look at that, it's the Red Arrows!'

We all looked up of course but could see nothing, and he shouted 'Not up there, down there!' so we looked down from our lofty perch to see the nine Gnats barrelling past parallel with the bridge, presumably heading for RAF Valley on Anglesey, but about 100 ft LOWER than us!

Back in the 70's before I moved to Canada, the Red Arrows would perform their display just off Bournemouth's beaches. Instead of paying ridiculously high prices for standing in the main area, us locals would go either side of the designated area and stand on top of the cliff edges, and look down into the cockpits as they flew by while lining up for the next manouvuer. As the cliffs are about 100 ft high there, the Arrows frequently flew in at about 50 feet.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: lancer on August 11, 2011, 09:30:19 am
I used to do a lot of water sports at Hawley Lake near Yately and backing onto Gibralter barracks, when I was a cadet many many moons ago and reading this brought back the memory of one fine day out on the lake in a canoe having the Red's practice just over the lake, and I mean just over the lake sometimes as high as 10 or 20 ft above it. Still it's intersting to have a Red Arrows hawk, scream over you at about 50ft. This was very early '80's and they'd just converted from the Gnat.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: beowulf on August 11, 2011, 09:54:19 am
reminds me of a joke from waaaaay back  ;D


on the eve of Desert Storm an USAF General gathers his Colonels for a briefing

'Its important that we only hit military targets.....we dont want any civilian casualties.........so i want you to be sure that you hit your targets by getting lower than you have ever flown before'

1st Colonel stands up:-  'General.......to ensure we hit the targets will fly no higher than 150 feet....even tho we know it will be dangerous'

General:......'good man........thats the spirit i like to hear......not only will i be proud of you, your president will be proud of you'

2nd Colonel stands up: 'General.......to ensure we hit the targets will fly no higher than 100 feet....even tho we know it will be dangerous'

General:- .......'good man........thats the spirit i like to hear......not only will i be proud of you, your president will be proud of you and your country will be proud of you'

3rd Colonel stands up........'General.......to ensure we hit the targets will fly no higher than 50 feet....even tho we know it will be dangerous'

General :-........'No!.....i absolutly forbid it!.........far too dangerous!......................and besides, you will just be getting in the way of the RAF'



 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: JayBee on August 11, 2011, 10:32:41 am
A true story, told to me by the late Allan Hall of Airfix Mag. fame.

He had been, as a member of the press corps, at the annual military games in the Otterburn ranges in the border lands between Scotland and England.
They saw a Jaguar skimming along at tree top height over a Forestry Commision plantation, when it got to the edge of the forest the other three Jaguars in the flight appeared out of the fire break :blink:

Jim
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 11, 2011, 12:53:15 pm
Love that one JayBee, I can just hear Alan growling out that tale.  ;D

Another one from the early 70s. Some of us from the Trent IPMS, now defunct, went down to the USAF Armed Forces Day at Upper Heyford, guided by me to the best viewing spots as I used to live there about 15 years beforehand. One of the display flights attending were the Belgian AF Slivers, a pair of totally unhinged F-104 pilots who seemed totally unaware that their aircraft were physically incapable of some the manouvres they were putting them through!

One of these manouvres was an opposition pass from both ends of the runway with the upper aircraft inverted and the lower one right way up, all of this at about M 0.9 and trailing smoke, not to mention that amazing J-79 howl that only F-104s seemed to produce. This was all very well but it ignored the fact that Heyford has a fairly large bump in the middle of the field between the crowd line and the runway.

When they did their high speed pass the upper aircraft was in full view, albeit upside down, but all you could see of the lower one was the top 2 ft of the fin and tailplane, seemingly scudding across the grass at 600 kts plus with no visible means of their propulsion!!!!  :lol: ;D
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: GTX on August 12, 2011, 12:28:27 pm
I thought this had already been posted but can't seem to find it:

(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g453/Bomadeur/3_Pics_S1Africa_Incredible_Acrobatic_flying_by_the_The_Flying_Lions_Aerobatic_Team_near_Johannesburg1_image0013671.jpg)

Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcu3GklGvLo)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Gondor on August 12, 2011, 02:29:44 pm
That's one way to clean the tires  :blink:

Gondor
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: TsrJoe on August 12, 2011, 04:31:08 pm
waw that is totally insane, i thought the pic must have been photoshopped til i saw the video link... mad  :blink:

 :bow:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: rallymodeller on August 12, 2011, 04:33:52 pm
This contest is over. Really can't get much lower than that.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Hobbes on August 13, 2011, 12:45:42 am
(http://images3.jetphotos.net/img/1/6/2/8/23244_1110972826.jpg)

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Netherlands---Air/Fokker-F-27-300M-Troopship/1800584/L/ (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Netherlands---Air/Fokker-F-27-300M-Troopship/1800584/L/)

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_2p4Oqqiz79s/S3_xwk8HHKI/AAAAAAAAALI/pVYNq4WglaA/c-8%20%20demo.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Fulcrum on August 13, 2011, 12:49:45 am
This contest is over. Really can't get much lower than that.
Unless you want to go lower, but it will be the last thing you will ever do.

Though you would not be the first to go into the ground(& definitely not the last).

Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Gondor on August 13, 2011, 01:34:43 am
Theoretically you can go lower than the picture where they are washing the wheels. If you have a high winged aircraft such as the F 27 in the above post you could fly so low that you could not put the undercarriage down.

Gondor
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on August 13, 2011, 03:51:58 am
This contest is over. Really can't get much lower than that.

Still a way to go yet! :wacko:

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/General/FlyingSubmarineVTTBOTS.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: ChernayaAkula on August 15, 2011, 05:01:53 pm
<...> a pair of totally unhinged F-104 pilots <...>  all you could see of the lower one was the top 2 ft of the fin and tailplane, seemingly scudding across the grass at 600 kts plus with no visible means of their propulsion!!!!  :lol: ;D

When picturing this before my mind's eye, my mind instinctively added the soundtrack of "Jaws". :lol:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Project D on August 27, 2011, 04:03:17 am
How about low and close  :wacko: at about 23 seconds in  ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOjisKIwq9E&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOjisKIwq9E&feature=related)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: AXU on August 27, 2011, 06:32:01 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4RyzX3Z1_k&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4RyzX3Z1_k&NR=1)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on August 27, 2011, 09:12:23 am
How about low and close  :wacko: at about 23 seconds in  ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOjisKIwq9E&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOjisKIwq9E&feature=related)

Excellent flyby from the Delfin, you even get to here the blue note!  And shows why Harriers should never land conventionally.... :blink:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: beowulf on August 27, 2011, 03:10:49 pm
wasnt that the harrier that crashed at khandahar a few years back?...still not released the cause as i remember...might be wrong tho
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: beowulf on August 29, 2011, 04:49:20 am
plane?.....who needs a plane?

check out 1:20 to 1:50  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWfph3iNC-k&feature=player_embedded#!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Leading Observer on August 29, 2011, 05:08:37 am
My father tells a tale of his National Service days at Horsham St Faiths. There was an aussie pilot flying Hornets who used to take off for circuits and then time his run back over the airfield to co-incide with the NAAFI wagon crossing the end of the runway. He would feather his props and come over the threshold virtually silently, re-starting just as he passed over the wagon ;D Station Commandant evidently had to issue a reprimand with a broad grin on his face.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: pyro-manic on January 14, 2012, 08:44:36 am
Bit of a bump, but I thought this was quite a nice one, and an aircraft not seen often enough:

8 Sqn Venom at Sharjah, 1960.
(http://radfanhunters.co.uk/Operations-8/Venom%20coming%20in%20low_1960_MH.jpg)

And some Hunters, again in the Middle East.
(http://radfanhunters.co.uk/Operations-8/8%20Sqn%20FR10%20beating%20up%20AAC_19-10-62_SB(2).jpg)
(http://radfanhunters.co.uk/Operations-8/8%20Sqn%20FR10%20low%20over%20Adeni%20village_1962_SB.jpg)

(http://radfanhunters.co.uk/Operations-8/XF436-U_low%20and%20fast%20over%20Masirah_1961_SB.jpg)

From www.radfanhunters.co.uk
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: scooter on January 14, 2012, 11:43:09 am
How about minus 38,500 thousand feet?

(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h96000/h96802.jpg)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 14, 2012, 02:00:47 pm
How about minus 38,500 thousand feet?

Ah, but did anyone take a piccie of it down there?  ;D

The IAF may have some piccies at negative levels flying over the Dead Sea perhaps?
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Captain Canada on January 14, 2012, 08:54:23 pm
Agreed, the Venom is an a/c not seen enough. Always wanted to do a bunch for the RCAF and RCN. Someday....

The first Hunter pic really does it for me. The fort, the tents, the fenced in compound, the Austers.....wicked shot !

 :wub:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on January 15, 2012, 02:04:35 pm
Yeah, very impressed with the Venom!

I agree, we need modern mainstream injection kits of the Vampire & Venom.  At least Revell have re-released the venerable old Heller Vampire.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: pyro-manic on January 15, 2012, 02:36:08 pm
Indeed. Perhaps Airfix will get to it at some point. I just hope it's not someone like Dragon, who will charge obscene amounts for an overly-complex kit...
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: rickshaw on January 15, 2012, 05:13:19 pm
I've been trying to figure out how they got those Hunter pictures.  I suspect they were taken from the nose of a Canberra.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: pyro-manic on January 15, 2012, 06:36:58 pm
Actually from the nose camera of the Hunter FR.10 flying immediately behind it. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: MilitaryAircraft101 on January 15, 2012, 10:01:04 pm
The topmost Auster in the first Hunter image nearly fooled me into thinking it was a flying biplane Auster  :blink: That Hunter one would be great to get framed  :wub:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: pyro-manic on February 23, 2012, 08:09:08 am
Here's a great one of a Spanish Bug right down on the deck: http://www.flickr.com/photos/39984696@N08/6775118920/
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 23, 2012, 08:18:13 am
Someone, who'd better remain nameless, described a low pass by a 208 Sqdn. Buccaneer pilot who, on his last military flight before retirement, requested a 'Goodbye Fly-past'. When permission was given he flew the aircraft between the Tower and the adjacent hangar BELOW the level of the Tower balcony!  :o :o

Apparently there are piccies somewhere, but they are very closely guarded.  ;D
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Riksbar on February 24, 2012, 01:55:52 pm
I remember seeing aircraft leaving the Tees-side airshow the morning after from the control tower balcony as a kid back in the 70's when my mum worked, there and I definitely looked down on the top of a Bucc and a Lightning going between the tower and the nearest hangar.  I was also told stories of a Vulcan doing the same.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on August 29, 2012, 03:58:41 pm
Found a whole album dedicated to low flying on airliners.net:
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?album=9504

A few of my favourites:
British Airways VC10 (http://www.airliners.net/photo/British-Airways/Vickers-VC10-Srs1101/0051638/L/)
WB-57F Canberra well out of it's usual comfort zone! (http://www.airliners.net/photo/NASA/Martin-General-Dynamics-RB-WB-57F/0951441/L/)
Su-26 upside down (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Sukhoi-Su-26M2/0888225/L/)
Convair 880 (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta-Air-Lines/Convair-880-(22-2)/0004414/L/)
Fouga Magister (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Belgium---Air/Fouga-CM-170R-Magister/1164743/L/)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: scooter on August 29, 2012, 04:02:44 pm
British Airways VC10 (http://www.airliners.net/photo/British-Airways/Vickers-VC10-Srs1101/0051638/L/)
Landing gear would have been a good think there.  Just in case, ya know?
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 30, 2012, 02:00:03 am
The Belgian Air Force Magisters made a habit of such silliness. I've seen them twice and BOTH times they almost needed repaints to the fuselage underside!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on April 10, 2013, 02:57:44 pm
Pucara at a little over headtop height:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Argentina---Air/FMA-IA-58D-Pucara/1546151/L/&sid=d09ed59cab1efd1e7b8694ca6f3419eb
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: CANSO on April 10, 2013, 08:36:05 pm
This was the lowest buzzing jet I've seen live (up to date):
(http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/canso-forum/Torontoairshow2011_zpsbe349900.jpg:original)
(http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/canso-forum/Torontoairshow2011-2_zps0fd84df7.jpg:original)
Heavy Metal Jet Team, Lake Ontario, Toronto, September 2011.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 11, 2013, 04:47:26 am
Anyone sleeping...?  ;D

(http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-b8n4Q8YJ78w/T5Nx9KR6GcI/AAAAAAABvuA/L49RhKAc1QQ/s0/aa1.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Steel Penguin on April 11, 2013, 04:59:30 am
not after that!  any clues as to where / when?
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: crudebuteffective on April 11, 2013, 05:06:02 am
not after that!  any clues as to where / when?

it looks like diego garcia...................... after taking off from the air base there planes fly along the beach and bufs are based there
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Steel Penguin on April 11, 2013, 05:28:36 am
i asked as the 2 trails in the back ground look like launch / impact trails and one seems to end in a  white cloud of some kind
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 11, 2013, 06:18:28 am
No idea from when or where it is - but it looks like a part of a celebration? The smoke trails are pretty close to the viewer, might be fireworks?
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kitnut617 on April 11, 2013, 08:19:50 am
Well the bomb bay doors are open, so I don't think it's a regular flight ----- The white nose also suggests sometime ago.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 11, 2013, 08:28:28 am
I'd assume it's in the 70ies, and a kind of parade/special occasion demonstration, nothing regular. But I wonder how this would be, esp. when the thing passes at this distance...  :wacko:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kitnut617 on April 11, 2013, 09:23:18 am
Pretty much how one looked from where I was standing at Calgary International (YYC) a few years ago, I was in the viewing area at the south end of the main runway which is just by the perimeter fence when the B-52 that was appearing at the Lethbridge Airshow for that weekend took off to return back to it's base.  It had arrived on the Friday and flew the two days at the airshow but stayed overnights at Calgary.  I was about where that guy in the photo is from it too, and it was a bit lower but had it's u/c gear up by the time it passed me.  I've got photos of it but on 35mm
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: eatthis on April 11, 2013, 09:48:10 am
Someone, who'd better remain nameless, described a low pass by a 208 Sqdn. Buccaneer pilot who, on his flight military flight before retirement, requested a 'Goodbye Fly-past'. When permission was given he flew the aircraft between the Tower and the adjacent hangar BELOW the level of the Tower balcony!  :o :o

Apparently there are piccies somewhere, but they are very closely guarded.  ;D

iv seen the pic but cant find it now iv also seen a videos of it im sure it was on a buc tribute on youtube.
it was flying no more than 5 feet off the deck and rapidly too by the look of it
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Father Ennis on April 11, 2013, 03:44:00 pm
I would like to share this experience I had when I was a small boy.  Back in the late 50's when I was in grade school, my family and I visited a Doctor friend in Tulsa. His clinic was located near the Tulsa International Airport. As we were going out the front door we heard a loud noise and looking off to my right, I saw something unbelieviable ... !!!  There was a solid black with red markings USAF Canbara coming.in for a landing. It was flying just over the telephone poles and was literally,just across the road from where I was standing !!!   I had just recently built the "new" Revell kit of it !!!  I was close enough to wave and get a wave back from the crew. That was over 50 yrs. ago, but I remember it like yesterday.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Weaver on July 14, 2013, 06:10:04 pm
Found this pic of a Rhodesian Canberra allegedly being flown through a hangar here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/petert.pandm/

Note that I say "allegedly" because even the source site doesn't seem sure whether it's genuine or not. I have my doubts...

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/petert.pandm/RhodesianCanberra.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kerick on July 14, 2013, 06:17:45 pm
The aircraft seems in pretty sharp focus, odd for something that close going that fast. Does anyone more familiar with Canberras know if it should be leaving a smoke trail? Plus this looks like a suicidal thing to do.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mr.Creak on July 14, 2013, 08:24:03 pm
According to Prune http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/276943-raaf-canberra-low-flying-did-happen.html (http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/276943-raaf-canberra-low-flying-did-happen.html) it's airbrushed-out jacks...
And someone else pointed out the lack of occupant in the cockpit.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 15, 2013, 12:09:49 am
A finer piece of PhotoShop work I've yet to see......
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Weaver on July 15, 2013, 04:49:24 am
According to Prune http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/276943-raaf-canberra-low-flying-did-happen.html (http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/276943-raaf-canberra-low-flying-did-happen.html) it's airbrushed-out jacks...
And someone else pointed out the lack of occupant in the cockpit.

Airbrushed-out jacks also occurred to me after I'd posted.... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Weaver on September 28, 2014, 11:42:41 am
Found this thread on pprune about the Good Old Days of Jag flying in Oman:

http://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/81053-low-level-omani-jags-6.html

Most of the pics don't work now, but these ones do:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/Baw1085/hunter_02.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Baw1085/media/hunter_02.jpg.html)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/Baw1085/hunter_01.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Baw1085/media/hunter_01.jpg.html)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/Baw1085/jaguar_06.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Baw1085/media/jaguar_06.jpg.html)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/Baw1085/jaguar_05.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Baw1085/media/jaguar_05.jpg.html)

This is apparently a hand rail from the steps of a range safety officer's cabin:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/Baw1085/jaguar_07.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Baw1085/media/jaguar_07.jpg.html)

The caption to this one says the car was hit by both strakes, but other accounts of the incident says it was a centreline tank that the pilot of the buzzing Jag forgot he had on:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/Baw1085/tcar_02-1.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Baw1085/media/tcar_02-1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 28, 2014, 02:14:54 pm
Ref. the Jaguar pics, see post #9 of the thread for a vid of them, very blurred but awesome nonetheless.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Captain Canada on September 28, 2014, 02:34:52 pm
Wow. And they look so good in that sand scheme.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kerick on September 28, 2014, 07:16:30 pm
You can always tell which pilots aren't married!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: rickshaw on September 28, 2014, 09:22:53 pm
I'm impressed by the head on Hunter shot.  Not many people would have the balls to stand there and take it, while a jet fighter is rushing at them, head high!   :blink:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Alvis 3.14159 on September 28, 2014, 10:32:13 pm
A tripod and a long air release can do wonders to improve your courage!

:)

Alvis Pi
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on October 02, 2014, 05:42:31 am
PZL Iskra:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Poland---Air/PZL-Mielec-TS-11-Iskra/1393541/L/
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Captain Canada on October 02, 2014, 09:41:54 pm
That pic just looks wrong ! I don't believe it's photo shopped but it sure looks weird. Even the shadow looks red ? Weird. And the pilot looks shocked  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 03, 2014, 01:46:36 am
Weird. And the pilot looks shocked  :thumbsup:

I bet he's not half as shocked as the photog who's about to get splattered by the Iskra!  :o

But I reckon that's photshopped actually, the red 'smoke' looks as if it's airbrushed, the density's not varied enough for reality, and you can see a reflection of a marshaller on the nose, with his bats upward. I think it was shot  as the Iskra was taxiing to a stop and they 'brushed the wheels out and lifted it up a tad, then added the smoke.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on October 03, 2014, 02:12:54 am
Weird. And the pilot looks shocked  :thumbsup:

I bet he's not half as shocked as the photog who's about to get splattered by the Iskra!  :o

But I reckon that's photshopped actually, the red 'smoke' looks as if it's airbrushed, the density's not varied enough for reality, and you can see a reflection of a marshaller on the nose, with his bats upward. I think it was shot  as the Iskra was taxiing to a stop and they 'brushed the wheels out and lifted it up a tad, then added the smoke.

There's a discussion on this in the comments, one poster gives this explanation:
Quote
Guys, the marshaller some of you see is the reflection of the plane's shadow. The two red dots on the end are cones/pylons/intakes located on the plane's nose. The RWY numbers are around the tip of the nose, check the geometry of the centerline in relation to the shadow.

Another couple of the same subject from the same photographer:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Poland---Air/PZL-Mielec-TS-11-Iskra/0305067/L/
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Poland---Air/PZL-Mielec-TS-11-Iskra/0305067/L/
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: pyro-manic on October 05, 2014, 11:29:42 am
It's not "photoshopped". By which you mean "composited", created to show something that didn't happen. It is post-processed - it's had the shadows lifted to reduce the contrast between light and dark, and show details which would otherwise be obscured in the shadows. This is probably what's caused the smoke to look slightly odd.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 05, 2014, 02:50:14 pm
What about the reflection of the marshaller in the nose cone then? And how come the photog isn't dead?
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: pyro-manic on October 05, 2014, 04:34:27 pm
It's not a reflection of a marshaller. It's the reflection of the aircraft's own shadow on the runway, and a couple of little fairings on the Iskra's nose, shown in the photo below:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/TS-11_Iskra_Cracow_2.jpg)

And the photographer was probably a fair distance away with a very long lens (400mm or more I would suggest), giving him plenty of time to duck down, and the pilot to pull up and away. The guy is good - his website's here, and is very impressive: http://www.air2air.net/
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on January 18, 2015, 06:36:32 am
Buchon beating up Breighton:

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/BuchonatBreighton.jpg) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/Mossie105/media/Aircraft/BuchonatBreighton.jpg.html)

Found here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=860609
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 18, 2015, 07:25:10 am
I wonder if the CAA had a few words about that...........
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Martin H on January 18, 2015, 08:08:16 am
they will once Dave see's that photo lol
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: NARSES2 on January 18, 2015, 08:15:34 am
That's what I thought  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Captain Canada on January 23, 2015, 07:46:18 pm
What a great shot ! Be cool to have been one of those lucky buggers.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Rheged on March 13, 2015, 03:37:06 pm
Tidying the attic at Mum's house, I found my stash of "Giles" cartoon books. The first ever book has a cartoon from mid 1944 of a Dutch mother leaning out of her windmill shouting to her children " Come out of the road, you'll get run over!"  Rapidly approaching up said road are a gaggle of Mosquitos at about two feet three inches off the deck.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 13, 2015, 05:40:14 pm
Hehehe, I can remember that one too.  ;D
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: NARSES2 on March 14, 2015, 06:50:42 am
Use to love Giles. Bullied my dad into buying the Express (and him a good Labour man  :rolleyes:). One of the highlights of Christmas was getting the Annual

His biography is interesting. One of the first into Belsen and he found out the camp commandant was a Giles fan ! Apparently said Commandant gave him his swastika armband which Giles then put away in an old shoebox. It was found when he died. Giles comments that he found it very strange to be discussing cartoons and drawing with a man who'd run the camp
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Captain Canada on March 14, 2015, 10:11:36 am
Cool. Be nice to see a pic of it if you can get one. Off to Google it myself  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Librarian on March 14, 2015, 10:44:16 am
Found here

http://www.haynes.co.uk/mosquito/mosquito-gallery.htm
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: pyro-manic on April 02, 2015, 06:33:55 pm
Not super low, but low enough. Prototype Shackleton, Farnborough, 1951.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7573/15978540667_b9b26206ea_b.jpg)
https://flic.kr/p/qkYcst
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Captain Canada on April 02, 2015, 07:13:44 pm
Way cool. I see how that cartoon would have piqued the imagination of many a young fan....and that Shak pic is just brill. Would have loved to have heard that one.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 03, 2015, 12:16:47 am
Not super low, but low enough. Prototype Shackleton, Farnborough, 1951.

He did it again next time around, but on only one engine.  :o
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: NARSES2 on April 03, 2015, 07:18:03 am
That prototype Shackleton is the nicest looking of a pretty ungainly bunch IMHO
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Weaver on October 18, 2015, 01:20:16 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRjE4BGWcAIM_V1.jpg)

From here: https://twitter.com/villani_e/status/655490214413115392

Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 18, 2015, 05:21:34 am
Considering the poster's name is 'Enrico Villani' I guess it's an Italian Tonka. If he was in RAF he wouldn't have been for much longer!  :o
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Captain Canada on October 18, 2015, 06:10:52 am
Woah ! That was close !

 :tornado:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kerick on October 18, 2015, 08:44:07 am
Reminds me of stories from Davis Monthan AFB in Arizona were an A-10 came back from the range with the fiberglass wing tip missing
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Weaver on April 08, 2017, 05:00:47 am
Vintage Wings of Canada low flying stories page, with lots of photos:

http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,26682.msg394031.html#msg394031
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Rheged on April 08, 2017, 12:08:32 pm
Perhaps someone else here can confirm that during some earlier Red Flag exercises, Buccaneers returned  to base with sundry items of desert foliage appended, and that at least one Vulcan did something reprehensible to a power/phone line
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on April 11, 2017, 11:58:25 pm
Something different, but I've got a book on water bombers that shows a DC-6? (from memory, I'll have to dig out the book) with a bit of tree embedded in the wing and the engine stuffed full of pine needles.

The tree was a seed tree that had been left to reseed a clearing and was the only one for tens of miles.  :o
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Weaver on April 12, 2017, 01:59:03 am
Perhaps someone else here can confirm that during some earlier Red Flag exercises, Buccaneers returned  to base with sundry items of desert foliage appended, and that at least one Vulcan did something reprehensible to a power/phone line

I know that one Vulcan on the way to Red Flag flew down the Grand Canyon for a laugh, then when they walked into the briefing room at Nellis, the first thing they saw was a giant map on the wall with the whole of the Grand Canyon boxed off in red as a no-fly zone...  :rolleyes: :-X

My friend John got a bollocking for low flying as he was walking away from his Vampire, and when he tried to deny it, the Squadron Leader walked past him and pulled a chunk of shrubbery out of his nose gear bay...  :mellow: :o
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 12, 2017, 02:42:30 am

I know that one Vulcan on the way to Red Flag flew down the Grand Canyon for a laugh, then when they walked into the briefing room at Nellis, the first thing they saw was a giant map on the wall with the whole of the Grand Canyon boxed off in red as a no-fly zone...  :rolleyes: :-X


IIRC that was Martin Withers flying the aircraft, him of 'Black Buck' fame and the main pilot of '558 in recent years.  ;D
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on April 12, 2017, 04:41:46 am
Something different, but I've got a book on water bombers that shows a DC-6? (from memory, I'll have to dig out the book) with a bit of tree embedded in the wing and the engine stuffed full of pine needles.

The tree was a seed tree that had been left to reseed a clearing and was the only one for tens of miles.  :o

I tried to find a pic online of that incident.  I didn't, but found a story about a transfer flight of T-28's from Morocco to Honduras where they got a little low while sightseeing and took a bit of Canadian shrubbery with them.  Nice story of bush flying, battered old aircraft with scabbed on tanks from a Vampire and Meteor with what looks suspiciously like duct tape, an old Renault being used a target took, engine fire on a DH Dove:
http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=71565
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Captain Canada on May 09, 2017, 10:12:37 am
What a great article the photos are phenomenal ! Thanks !

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1452/25385436335_fb75196331_b.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on May 09, 2017, 01:55:04 pm
Your welcome, lucky find.  I think they'd make great models, it'd be fun explaining the Meteor and Vampire tanks to headscratching at a show.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: reddfoxx on May 11, 2017, 08:23:37 am
Great shots and stories in this thread!

Reminded me of some pix on the webpage of a pilot whose A-1 I did a model of.  Flew in the Armee de l'Air and the Gabonese Air Force. 

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f280/markknapp/3c.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f280/markknapp/3b.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f280/markknapp/fun8_2.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: zenrat on May 12, 2017, 04:36:42 am
That last pic.  That's not just a wet runway is it?
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: scooter on May 12, 2017, 04:47:37 am
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f280/markknapp/fun8_2.jpg)

And ex-girlfriend's father once told me he used to do that in his Cub Cruiser in one of the artificial lakes outside of Dallas
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: James W. on May 12, 2017, 05:08:34 am
& after the fact, with 'Pinkie' Stark..

(https://www.military-art.com/mall/images/lfwstark_typhoon.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: James W. on May 12, 2017, 05:24:12 am
How low can you go - & still eject...


(https://fearoflanding.com/files/2013/10/118sqnpic205.jpg)


Oi! Brylcream, you ca't park there! Get yourself & yer pranged-up ruddy crate - orf my bleedin' cricket pitch!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: scooter on May 12, 2017, 05:47:58 am
How low can you go - & still eject...


(https://fearoflanding.com/files/2013/10/118sqnpic205.jpg)

This MiG pilot's got the Frightning driver beat-
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/35/fb/e4/35fbe41038d9d58fc3a8fa8a2627733f.jpg)

Of course, this Harrier driver's got'em both beat
(https://laststandonzombieisland.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/a-pilot-in-the-royal-air-force-ejects-in-last-possible-second-from-his-harrier-kandahar-air-base-afghanistan.jpg)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kitnut617 on May 12, 2017, 08:18:55 am
& after the fact, with 'Pinkie' Stark..

(https://www.military-art.com/mall/images/lfwstark_typhoon.jpg)

Yet the prop blades appear not damaged   :-\
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Old Wombat on May 12, 2017, 09:15:14 am
I note one blade has "DO NOT TURN" written on it.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kitnut617 on May 12, 2017, 10:55:24 am
I note one blade has "DO NOT TURN" written on it.

Saw that -- it looks like the whole radiator has fallen out too    :unsure: or is that the screen for the air intake gone
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: James W. on May 12, 2017, 05:00:52 pm
I note one blade has "DO NOT TURN" written on it.

Saw that -- it looks like the whole radiator has fallen out too    :unsure: or is that the screen for the air intake gone

The Hawker Typhoon/Tempest Sabre engine with 'chin' scoop had 3 major ram air items set in concentric form..
..engine air intake in the centre, with oil cooler in an annular drum shape around it & the glycol radiator was 'wrapped' around that..
..except for the Tempest Mk VI, which used the whole scoop for the radiator matrix & adopted the Mk II wing based air inlets/oil-cooler..


& as for fast 'n' low-flying.. this massive beast does nothing but, when on ops.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Nu94khHoo
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: zenrat on May 12, 2017, 05:42:29 pm
& after the fact, with 'Pinkie' Stark..

(https://www.military-art.com/mall/images/lfwstark_typhoon.jpg)

Yet the prop blades appear not damaged   :-\

Ah, but we can only see parts of two of them.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kitnut617 on May 12, 2017, 06:59:29 pm
I note one blade has "DO NOT TURN" written on it.

Saw that -- it looks like the whole radiator has fallen out too    :unsure: or is that the screen for the air intake gone

The Hawker Typhoon/Tempest Sabre engine with 'chin' scoop had 3 major ram air items set in concentric form..
..engine air intake in the centre, with oil cooler in an annular drum shape around it & the glycol radiator was 'wrapped' around that..
..except for the Tempest Mk VI, which used the whole scoop for the radiator matrix & adopted the Mk II wing based air inlets/oil-cooler..


& as for fast 'n' low-flying.. this massive beast does nothing but, when on ops.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Nu94khHoo

Umm! There are a number of us here who very versed on the Tempest,  Typhoon and Furys. --------  we do know  :-X
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: James W. on May 12, 2017, 07:10:10 pm
& after the fact, with 'Pinkie' Stark..

(https://www.military-art.com/mall/images/lfwstark_typhoon.jpg)

Yet the prop blades appear not damaged   :-\

Ah, but we can only see parts of two of them.

Indeed, & not the outer ends either, which may well be bent..
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: KiwiZac on May 13, 2017, 04:46:37 pm
That last pic.  That's not just a wet runway is it?
Definitely not!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLtSOVa5OfI
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: zenrat on May 13, 2017, 06:30:50 pm
That last pic.  That's not just a wet runway is it?
Definitely not!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLtSOVa5OfI

Awesome.  :thumbsup: Now I want to see someone actually waterskiing behind a plane.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Rick Lowe on May 13, 2017, 09:17:11 pm
That last pic.  That's not just a wet runway is it?
Definitely not!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLtSOVa5OfI

Awesome.  :thumbsup: Now I want to see someone actually waterskiing behind a plane.

Sounds like a challenge for Adam and Jamie...  ;D
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: KiwiZac on May 14, 2017, 01:51:08 pm
It's not a plane, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve1nb7GjkjI
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 14, 2017, 02:18:19 pm

It's not a plane, but...


There are some on here who'd argue that point of course <sigh>
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Rheged on May 15, 2017, 01:30:31 am
I understood that helicopters don't actually fly.  They just vibrate so appallingly that the ground rejects them.


Come to think of it, where do we stand on hovercraft as "flying machines"?  No doubt Kit will tell us that they are unfeasibly noisy beasts too!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: zenrat on May 15, 2017, 01:40:01 am
It's not a plane, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve1nb7GjkjI

Fan-bloody-tastic.  Not only someone waterskiing behind a flying machine (see what I did there?) but Larry Hagman to boot.
Standing ovation for you Zac.

Having been involved in operating hovercraft on the sludge drying pans at the sewage treatment plant I can confirm they are indeed flying machines.  But it's the liquid waste which is doing most of the flying.  Disposable white paper overalls would be black in a matter of minutes.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 15, 2017, 07:55:08 am

Come to think of it, where do we stand on hovercraft as "flying machines"?  No doubt Kit will tell us that they are unfeasibly noisy beasts too!


They're surely noisy, especially when you're standing a foot away from one of their APUs, but I bet they'd make great water-ski tugs.  ;D
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: KiwiZac on May 15, 2017, 08:43:28 pm
It's not a plane, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve1nb7GjkjI

Fan-bloody-tastic.  Not only someone waterskiing behind a flying machine (see what I did there?) but Larry Hagman to boot.
Standing ovation for you Zac.
Deadly Encounter is one of the two great Hughes 500 action movies. I think the whole thing's on YouTube. Because I watched it endlessly as a kid this, not Dallas or Jeannie, is how I knew who Larry was!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: zenrat on May 15, 2017, 09:54:11 pm

Come to think of it, where do we stand on hovercraft as "flying machines"?  No doubt Kit will tell us that they are unfeasibly noisy beasts too!


They're surely noisy, especially when you're standing a foot away from one of their APUs, but I bet they'd make great water-ski tugs.  ;D

Right up until the moment the skier goes through the fan... :o
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on May 16, 2017, 05:25:56 am
It's not a plane, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve1nb7GjkjI

Fan-bloody-tastic.  Not only someone waterskiing behind a flying machine (see what I did there?) but Larry Hagman to boot.
Standing ovation for you Zac.
Deadly Encounter is one of the two great Hughes 500 action movies. I think the whole thing's on YouTube. Because I watched it endlessly as a kid this, not Dallas or Jeannie, is how I knew who Larry was!

What's the other, Airwolf?
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: scooter on May 16, 2017, 05:46:06 am
It's not a plane, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve1nb7GjkjI

Fan-bloody-tastic.  Not only someone waterskiing behind a flying machine (see what I did there?) but Larry Hagman to boot.
Standing ovation for you Zac.
Deadly Encounter is one of the two great Hughes 500 action movies. I think the whole thing's on YouTube. Because I watched it endlessly as a kid this, not Dallas or Jeannie, is how I knew who Larry was!

What's the other, Airwolf?

Airwolf was a Bell 222.  He's probably talking Magnum PI :laugh:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on May 16, 2017, 08:51:35 am
The bad guys did! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 16, 2017, 11:32:12 am

Come to think of it, where do we stand on hovercraft as "flying machines"?  No doubt Kit will tell us that they are unfeasibly noisy beasts too!


They're surely noisy, especially when you're standing a foot away from one of their APUs, but I bet they'd make great water-ski tugs.  ;D

Right up until the moment the skier goes through the fan... :o

Depends on the hovercraft. An SRN4 could tow maybe 20 skiers as it had the same power a Bristol Britannia, and the props were 30 ft above the water.

I wonder if anyone really DID water ski behind a hovercraft?  ;D
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Rheged on May 16, 2017, 12:33:10 pm

I wonder if anyone really DID water ski behind a hovercraft?  ;D

Don't know about that, but I do know that someone (a gentleman from SBS, I believe) did actually water ski behind HMS Brazen some years ago.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: KiwiZac on May 16, 2017, 01:05:25 pm
Deadly Encounter is one of the two great Hughes 500 action movies. I think the whole thing's on YouTube. Because I watched it endlessly as a kid this, not Dallas or Jeannie, is how I knew who Larry was!

What's the other, Airwolf?

Airwolf was a Bell 222.  He's probably talking Magnum PI :laugh:
Birds Of Prey (https://youtu.be/xYQoSlHDN48), directed - like Deadly Encounter - by William A Graham.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Hobbes on June 25, 2017, 12:16:05 pm
(http://www.acme-engineering.nl/Ray Hanna low pass.png)

I just came across the famous Spitfire low pass that nearly scalped Alain de Cadenet, this time the original uncut footage in high resolution, with some extra information and the above photo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iOoiEbtf2w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iOoiEbtf2w)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Rick Lowe on June 26, 2017, 01:39:54 am
Holy Shmackerel! That's an expensive weed-eater, right there!  :o :o
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Old Wombat on June 26, 2017, 04:05:43 am
It's scary that the camera's looking over the wing! :o
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: CANSO on June 26, 2017, 09:39:24 am
My GUESS is, (unless it is photo-shopped), the Lanc with 3 feathered is in the process of a gear up landing, not a low pass.  Seems pretty reckless to do a low pass intentionally with three shut down.  Not trying to be pedantic, just pointing it out. 
Chuck
It's not photo-shopped - it's a popular photo. There is a very similar one of a Lincoln:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/Lincoln_zps91253467.jpg~original)
Both photos are post-war and were made for publicity AFAIK.
Reckless? :rolleyes: I totally agree!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 26, 2017, 10:57:56 am
Three engine fly-pasts were almost de riguer at Farnborough in the 50s. Mind you, most of them were on engine test beds to show how powerful the test engine was compared to the usual piston engines in the other three positions.

Notable among those to me, at age around 8-9 perhaps, was a Lancaster that had two jets in the #1 and #4 positions, which came down the runway, pretty low, on just jet power. Both of its Merlin's props we feathered and static and I couldn't figure out how it was still flying.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: scooter on June 05, 2019, 04:22:00 pm
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/513ff993bd3ee18565b67aeba2d1bb02/tumblr_poduo3ONBV1wvccpto1_640.jpg)
Fishing anyone?
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Rheged on June 07, 2019, 10:00:20 am
In 1994, an elderly Buccaneer (XV333) was being delivered to the  Fleet Air Arm Museum at RNAS Yeovilton.  During the course of this flight, I understand that a class A airmiss report was filed by another flying machine.......an SRN4 hovercraft out of Ramsgate. Given that the SRN4 has a maximum height of about 38 feet to propeller tip, and a cruising altitude of  round about 9 feet,  at what height was the S2B Buccaneer flying?

Possible answers from  an acquaintance who flew Blackburn's finest include:-

A) at our  usual operating altitude

B) low enough to leave a wake like a power boat/fry any fish near the surface

C) during one  Red Flag, we flew  50 feet below sea level through Death Valley

Would anyone here have any further comments to make?
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 07, 2019, 12:34:43 pm
Re low flying Buccs, the RAF's Best Air Traffic Controller tells the tale of her last tour at Lossie, when 208 were just about to cease ops before closing down totally. They had an exchange SAAF Bucc pilot on tour who was about to retire from the SAAF on the same day that his tour with the RAF would end, so he'd fly home to SA as a civvie.

On his last day in service he flew a four ship across the Moray to Tain Ranges, dropped their weapons and returned to Lossie with a celebration NATO break, and our SAAF pal, as the flight leader, was last to break and turn downwind. He requested a low fly-by to commemorate his last flight and last day, and the SATCO approved it, being a kindly kind of guy.

At Lossie the hangars at the east end are in curve behind the Tower, and the RAF's Best etc. was standing on the balcony at  the rear of the tower, and she watched our SA pal fly down the gap between the hangars and the Tower BELOW the level of the balcony!!!  :o

SATCO was all for throwing the book at our SA pal, but it would all have been a waste of time as he'd have been long gone before they got the paperwork sorted.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: zenrat on June 07, 2019, 06:23:31 pm
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/513ff993bd3ee18565b67aeba2d1bb02/tumblr_poduo3ONBV1wvccpto1_640.jpg)
Fishing anyone?

I say photoshop.  I think it was low, but some one has cut the bottom of the pic off and then created the reflection.


Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: NARSES2 on June 08, 2019, 02:08:34 am

C) during one  Red Flag, we flew  50 feet below sea level through Death Valley


Serious question. How would they measure that ? Do altimeter's measure negative heights ? Just interested  :thumbsup:

My favourite Buccaneer footage is of a couple flying underneath the wing of a Vulcan at a Red Flag and the Vulcan was low enough  :o
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Hobbes on June 08, 2019, 02:21:56 am

C) during one  Red Flag, we flew  50 feet below sea level through Death Valley


Serious question. How would they measure that ? Do altimeter's measure negative heights ? Just interested  :thumbsup:

My favourite Buccaneer footage is of a couple flying underneath the wing of a Vulcan at a Red Flag and the Vulcan was low enough  :o

Altimeters work on air pressure (basically they're barometers), so they have to be reset before flight to the local ground-level air pressure. And on long flights, you run the risk of crossing into a different weather system which throws off your altimeter readings. On a flight in Death Valley, this type of altimeter could show a negative reading.

For low altitudes, a radar altimeter can be used which measures the distance to ground directly. Commercial aircraft have these, and use them in the landing phase of the flight. AIU their range is limited, so they aren't used during the cruise phase of the flight.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: NARSES2 on June 08, 2019, 02:29:38 am

C) during one  Red Flag, we flew  50 feet below sea level through Death Valley


Serious question. How would they measure that ? Do altimeter's measure negative heights ? Just interested  :thumbsup:

My favourite Buccaneer footage is of a couple flying underneath the wing of a Vulcan at a Red Flag and the Vulcan was low enough  :o

Altimeters work on air pressure (basically they're barometers), so they have to be reset before flight to the local ground-level air pressure. And on long flights, you run the risk of crossing into a different weather system which throws off your altimeter readings. On a flight in Death Valley, this type of altimeter could show a negative reading.

For low altitudes, a radar altimeter can be used which measures the distance to ground directly. Commercial aircraft have these, and use them in the landing phase of the flight. AIU their range is limited, so they aren't used during the cruise phase of the flight.

Sorry Harro I do understand that and wasn't clear enough, but my question was a little simpler (as am I the older I get). Would the Bucc's clock face altimetre (I assume it was either a clock or a bar) have negative markings/numbers ? I just assumed it would start at "0".
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Hobbes on June 08, 2019, 03:35:30 am
Altimeters don't have end stops:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/3-Pointer_Altimeter.svg/220px-3-Pointer_Altimeter.svg.png)

so I'd expect the needles to keep spinning. There are enough airports below sea level that you can't have altimeters that stop at 0...
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: rickshaw on June 08, 2019, 06:26:36 am
Speaking of flying below sea level, I have a picture in a book which shows the Graf Zeppelin several hundred feet below sea level, over the Dead Sea.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kitnut617 on June 08, 2019, 06:46:27 am

C) during one  Red Flag, we flew  50 feet below sea level through Death Valley


Serious question. How would they measure that ? Do altimeter's measure negative heights ? Just interested  :thumbsup:

My favourite Buccaneer footage is of a couple flying underneath the wing of a Vulcan at a Red Flag and the Vulcan was low enough  :o

Altimeters work on air pressure (basically they're barometers), so they have to be reset before flight to the local ground-level air pressure. And on long flights, you run the risk of crossing into a different weather system which throws off your altimeter readings. On a flight in Death Valley, this type of altimeter could show a negative reading.

For low altitudes, a radar altimeter can be used which measures the distance to ground directly. Commercial aircraft have these, and use them in the landing phase of the flight. AIU their range is limited, so they aren't used during the cruise phase of the flight.

Sorry Harro I do understand that and wasn't clear enough, but my question was a little simpler (as am I the older I get). Would the Bucc's clock face altimetre (I assume it was either a clock or a bar) have negative markings/numbers ? I just assumed it would start at "0".

Like this Chris

https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/8hfk4p/dont_see_this_everyday_negative_altimeter/
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: NARSES2 on June 10, 2019, 06:51:21 am
Thanks gents, I now understand  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Weaver on October 14, 2020, 04:19:59 am
Posted on Twitter by Chris Bolton (ex FAA Phantom jock who's well worth following):

Post: https://twitter.com/CcibChris/status/1316313768184479746?s=20

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkR8ZJmXgAEXSuu?format=jpg&name=medium)

Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 14, 2020, 05:06:03 am
Yeah, THAT'S low!  :o
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Knightflyer on October 14, 2020, 05:45:05 am
Posted on Twitter by Chris Bolton (ex FAA Phantom jock who's well worth following):

Post: https://twitter.com/CcibChris/status/1316313768184479746?s=20

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkR8ZJmXgAEXSuu?format=jpg&name=medium)

I wonder if this was an accidental "Oh Boy!* I really didn't mean to be down here" moment
* Other Expletives are available!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Weaver on October 22, 2020, 10:20:39 am
Posted on Twitter by Trev Clark here: https://twitter.com/clark_aviation/status/1319292431540441089?s=20

"P-47D Thunderbolt 'Dixie Gal', seen safely back at base.
Pilot, Capt. P.M. Hall, struck the ground during a strafing attack near Milan, Italy.
He successfully flew the badly vibrating aircraft 150 miles,
back to his airfield at Grosseto, Italy."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek6yjeCXYAIRsSn?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Rheged on October 22, 2020, 01:25:54 pm
In Keswick yesterday, I was chatting to one of the launch crews on Derwentwater (the boats run like a bus service around the lake)   She reckoned that "a few weeks ago"  a pair of Typhoons had come over the lake so low that they'd had to pull up to avoid one of the launches, whose highest point above lake surface is about 15 feet to the tip of the radio antenna.  Probably not actually that low, but certainly low enough to leave a wake on the lake surface!!  This is a scheduled low flying area.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: scooter on October 22, 2020, 01:38:42 pm
Posted on Twitter by Trev Clark here: https://twitter.com/clark_aviation/status/1319292431540441089?s=20

"P-47D Thunderbolt 'Dixie Gal', seen safely back at base.
Pilot, Capt. P.M. Hall, struck the ground during a strafing attack near Milan, Italy.
He successfully flew the badly vibrating aircraft 150 miles,
back to his airfield at Grosseto, Italy."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek6yjeCXYAIRsSn?format=jpg&name=900x900)

I don't think you can get much lower than that, unless you're doing nape of the earth flying in Death Valley.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Rick Lowe on October 22, 2020, 07:28:39 pm
Reminds me of the bit in George Preddy's memoirs when he was banking very low over their new Normandy landing strip and felt the aircraft start to yaw - he piled on the throttle and landed safely.
To discover he had damaged the wingtip, and then the ground crew showed him a furrow in the ground...

He then realized he'd been within a fraction of a second before cartwheeling into the deck.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: NARSES2 on October 23, 2020, 06:15:42 am
That P-47 would make a good display model alongside a copy of that photo.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: rickshaw on October 23, 2020, 07:22:01 pm
Posted on Twitter by Trev Clark here: https://twitter.com/clark_aviation/status/1319292431540441089?s=20

"P-47D Thunderbolt 'Dixie Gal', seen safely back at base.
Pilot, Capt. P.M. Hall, struck the ground during a strafing attack near Milan, Italy.
He successfully flew the badly vibrating aircraft 150 miles,
back to his airfield at Grosseto, Italy."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek6yjeCXYAIRsSn?format=jpg&name=900x900)

I don't think you can get much lower than that, unless you're doing nape of the earth flying in Death Valley.

The Dead Sea.  I have a photo of a pre-war passenger carrying Zeppelin several hundred feet below sea level in the Dead Sea... 
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: kerick on October 23, 2020, 10:54:11 pm
Reminds me of the bit in George Preddy's memoirs when he was banking very low over their new Normandy landing strip and felt the aircraft start to yaw - he piled on the throttle and landed safely.
To discover he had damaged the wingtip, and then the ground crew showed him a furrow in the ground...

He then realized he'd been within a fraction of a second before cartwheeling into the deck.

During my days as an ETAC there was the story of the A-10 pilot who landed without one of the fiberglass down turned wingtips. It's still laying out in the Arizona desert I suppose. Numerous stories of aircraft hitting the HF antenna mounted on our jeeps.

Then there was the air race pilot who touched the Detroit River with one wheel and a wing tip. You don't usually walk away from that!
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=1302476a-66c1-4605-a4ed-5f4260b01aee
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 24, 2020, 12:14:47 am
Posted on Twitter by Chris Bolton (ex FAA Phantom jock who's well worth following):

Post: https://twitter.com/CcibChris/status/1316313768184479746?s=20

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkR8ZJmXgAEXSuu?format=jpg&name=medium)

I wonder if this was an accidental "Oh Boy!* I really didn't mean to be down here" moment
* Other Expletives are available!

I read that the Argentinian Skyhawks that flew low altitude attacks during the Falkslands conflict went that low, too - and that it was a VERY tricky affair, because the sea surface blurred at the high speed so that effective altitude over the water was hard to tell - esp. when faced with the danger of occasional higher waves. More than once an A-4 touched the water with its wing tip when banking. Therefore, the Harrier pic appears realistic and "intentional" to me, since the sea looks calm.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 24, 2020, 12:23:11 am
 :rolleyes:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/odEqoZJHdYr-bWxt2YNBhR4n7zIAcdyKmQknZjfiUKSMj6ss27lhnft9AvfjLQT0b5vdULpoN_2UGKI2WNt6FmNYQbvuJ1HVrttoLLwOhl4Kg4m9FZPpGfoR9Y58MCd86IOn-LN7kaGFD010TT3Ry_Mcewl_7gNDogC2qcg6jqI)

AFAIK an RAF Tornado during training in Canada (Cold Lake?).

...and:

(http://www.vintagewings.ca/Portals/0/Vintage_Stories/NewStories-C/Lower%20than%20a%20snake/LowDown137.jpg)

(http://www.vintagewings.ca/Portals/0/Vintage_Stories/NewStories-C/Lower%20than%20a%20snake/LowDown135.jpg)

A Gabonese Texan, "testing waters".
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Weaver on October 24, 2020, 04:37:39 am
I read that the Argentinian Skyhawks that flew low altitude attacks during the Falkslands conflict went that low, too - and that it was a VERY tricky affair, because the sea surface blurred at the high speed so that effective altitude over the water was hard to tell - esp. when faced with the danger of occasional higher waves. More than once an A-4 touched the water with its wing tip when banking. Therefore, the Harrier pic appears realistic and "intentional" to me, since the sea looks calm.

During the attack that sank HMS Coventry, one of the ship's Type 909 fire-control radars momentarily got a lock on one of the Skyhawks and a Sea Dart was launched, but the radar broke lock almost as soon as the missile left the rail and it went ballistic. There's a documentary on Youtube (think it's one of the "Seconds From Disaster" series) where Coventry's captain, the guy on the Sea Dart console, and the pilot of the Skyhawk are all interviewed. The latter reveals the reason for the momentary lock: he was flying so low that salt spray was caking up on his windscreen, making it impossible to see straight forwards, so he was sitting sideways and peering through the quarterlight! Despite this, he still got disorientated and had to climb slightly to re-acquire the ship, and that's presumably when the 909 locked him up, then lost him again as he dropped back down to sea-skimming height. He wasn't aware of the lock-on because he didn't have a forwards-facing RWR, but he was certainly aware of the damned great white "telegraph pole" that flew over his head a few seconds later!  :o

Think it was Dave Morgan who recalled firing his guns at a Skyhawk at low level and watching it fly through the splashes from the 'overs'...
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 24, 2020, 05:09:38 am
Wasn't there a tale of a Skyhawk or Mirage clipping the stern rails of one the ships in San Carlos Water?

My workmate who was a CPO aboard the Alacrity tells of watching that happen and they thought both ship and aircraft were about to combine!
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Old Wombat on October 24, 2020, 09:19:36 am
RAN VF-724 Skyhawks used to skim the wave-tops regularly, as they were frequently called on to act as Harpoon missile surrogates during naval exercises.

Whilst I was at Nowra, as the RAAF began cycling in to take over that role when the RAN was winding down its Skyhawk operations leading to the de-commissioning of the fixed-wing squadrons, a Mirage nosed into the sea off Jervis Bay doing the same thing, with the loss of both the aircraft &, unfortunately, the pilot. The inquest found that the incident was a result of pilot error; the pilot had dipped down too low & past the point where control inversion effects occurred on the Mirage's delta wing, so, as he tried to pull up a bit, he nosed down into the water instead.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Mossie on October 24, 2020, 09:59:31 am
I've got a picture in a book of an A-26 firebomber that has a large cut in the wing that had a chunk of wood embedded and a cowling is missing from one of the engines that is full of pine needles.

Apparently the pilot hit the only tree for miles in a clear-cut area (left as seed tree).  He flew through smoke and saw the tree at last minute and hit it while pulling up.  He managed to limp to safety on the remaining engine.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Weaver on October 24, 2020, 08:21:48 pm
Wasn't there a tale of a Skyhawk or Mirage clipping the stern rails of one the ships in San Carlos Water?

My workmate who was a CPO aboard the Alacrity tells of watching that happen and they thought both ship and aircraft were about to combine!

Yes I've heard that one too, but I can't remember which ship it was.

One of the Skyhawks which bombed Antelope hit the ship's aft mast, snapped it in two, and crashed into the sea on the other side...
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: rickshaw on October 24, 2020, 10:23:40 pm
Wasn't there a tale of a Skyhawk or Mirage clipping the stern rails of one the ships in San Carlos Water?

My workmate who was a CPO aboard the Alacrity tells of watching that happen and they thought both ship and aircraft were about to combine!

Yes I've heard that one too, but I can't remember which ship it was.

One of the Skyhawks which bombed Antelope hit the ship's aft mast, snapped it in two, and crashed into the sea on the other side...

The mast or the aircraft?
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: scooter on October 27, 2020, 06:44:42 am
Breitling Fighters fly LOW down a canal - FULL SEQUENCE (https://youtu.be/Gl-aUbN3b5c)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 27, 2020, 08:02:23 am

Breitling Fighters fly LOW down a canal - FULL SEQUENCE (https://youtu.be/Gl-aUbN3b5c)


Yeah, it would be Ray Hanna in the lead.  ;D

But I reckon Lee Proudfoot in '434 was the lowest!  :o
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Rick Lowe on October 27, 2020, 05:28:07 pm

Breitling Fighters fly LOW down a canal - FULL SEQUENCE (https://youtu.be/Gl-aUbN3b5c)


Yeah, it would be Ray Hanna in the lead.  ;D

But I reckon Lee Proudfoot in '434 was the lowest!  :o

Oh, cool - thanks for the link.
Nice that 2 of them were in RNZAF colours...  ;) :thumbsup: :wub:

*Allow me to reciprocate...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBUKiKvl29Q

OK, not as low, but still pretty darn cool.
And I see (hear) now why the Corsair was called 'Whistling Death'.
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 27, 2020, 05:35:17 pm

*Allow me to reciprocate...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBUKiKvl29Q


Even today that's one fearsome looking machine when it's coming straight at you!  :o  :thumbsup:

That engine seemed to vibrate quite a bit from some of those cockpit shots, I wonder of the prop was out of balance or something?
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Rick Lowe on October 27, 2020, 05:41:59 pm

*Allow me to reciprocate...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBUKiKvl29Q


Even today that's one fearsome looking machine when it's coming straight at you!  :o  :thumbsup:

That engine seemed to vibrate quite a bit from some of those cockpit shots, I wonder of the prop was out of balance or something?

I don't know enough about the subject to have noticed, I was busy geeking out at the Glorious Preserved Corsair (and the local scenery, too)!  ;D ;)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Old Wombat on October 27, 2020, 06:00:37 pm
R-2800 .... That's what my Sea Wallaby would have sounded like! ;D
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Nick on October 28, 2020, 11:16:43 am
You could take your Saab down the A41 bypass  :thumbsup:

https://www.motorpunk.co.uk/features/just-saab-bypass/
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 28, 2020, 11:45:24 am
Then there's the archtypal '...under the bridge....' vid, first shown as part of the 'Piece of Cake' TV series and later re-used in 'Foyle's War'.

Flown by the late Ray Hanna in reality, aboard MH434, which aircraft was used again for the before and after shots in Foyle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbXHhPG8SY4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbXHhPG8SY4)
Title: Re: How low can you go?
Post by: Weaver on October 28, 2020, 12:50:58 pm
Wasn't there a tale of a Skyhawk or Mirage clipping the stern rails of one the ships in San Carlos Water?

My workmate who was a CPO aboard the Alacrity tells of watching that happen and they thought both ship and aircraft were about to combine!

Yes I've heard that one too, but I can't remember which ship it was.

One of the Skyhawks which bombed Antelope hit the ship's aft mast, snapped it in two, and crashed into the sea on the other side...

The mast or the aircraft?

Both!

The mast (which was just a (presumably alloy) pole on Type 21s) bent right over at about 120 deg and the top of it snapped off. The Skyhawk, which may have already taken some 20mm hits, crashed into the sea.