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GROUP BUILDS => The Civilinise/Militarise it GB => Topic started by: NARSES2 on June 23, 2015, 06:29:24 am

Title: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on June 23, 2015, 06:29:24 am
Right late to the party but here's what I'll be building.

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She will be RAF Photo Reconnaissance in 1940, either as a two seat PR trainer or possibly as an emergency PR aircraft during the Invasion Crisis.


Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Captain Canada on June 23, 2015, 08:17:01 am
Sweet ! I couldn't believe how small the aeroplane was when I first opened that box !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 23, 2015, 01:13:56 pm
That's got to look great when it's done, a forerunner of the PR Mossies.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: kitbasher on June 23, 2015, 02:15:00 pm
Camotint!
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: zenrat on June 24, 2015, 03:55:19 am
Good luck.  I gave up on mine and put it back in the stash for a while.  The amount of PSR got to me.
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Mossie on June 24, 2015, 06:04:39 am
Right late to the party

Fashionably so, especially with a Comet. :wub:

possibly as an emergency PR aircraft during the Invasion Crisis.

There's a lot of legs in that one, all sorts of things that could be impressed into roles that were never intended.
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on June 24, 2015, 06:49:55 am
Sweet ! I couldn't believe how small the aeroplane was when I first opened that box !



Very much so Capt. I didn't realise the cockpit was "solid" either and the 2 crew figures moulded into it are so 1950's  ;D

Anyway I'm going to cut the top piece of the cockpit away and add some simple detail after that I have 3 options.

Option 1) Other then the cockpit build her out of the box, perhaps mount her on a stand in flying mode.

Option 2) Do some more extensive work on her. 3 bladed props (I think I have some small enough), convert to a single seater with the space for the 2nd seat occupied by the camera equipment. The thought I had last night was to say that De Haviland had bought one of the aircraft back from it's owners and used her to try out a nose wheel undercarriage ? This is gradually growing on me

Option 3) Any of 1 and 2 above in any combination  :rolleyes:

Camotint!

Yes or a hint of Sky/Duck Egg Blue ?
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: kitbasher on June 24, 2015, 10:35:22 am
I
said
CAMOTINT!!!!!

😉
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on June 25, 2015, 06:27:48 am
I
said
CAMOTINT!!!!!

😉

I know you did  ;D Any suggestions as to what "off the shelf" paint I should use ? I hate these paint mix charts where they go 2 parts x + 17 parts y + 33 parts z  :banghead: and yes I am talking about you Revell
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on June 25, 2015, 06:32:29 am
I was going to wait until I finished the Dornier......but  ;D Carved out the cockpit section and the area for the nose wheel undercarriage. The plastic is thick enough to use for structural purposes but at least is easy to work.

I never realised just how old this kit is. It really is like an old school limited run kit with no pins/holes to aid joining and very few parts. Things like the undercarriage struts are just very thin rod with no detail but are remarkably thin and with no flash whatsoever. Just shows how far we've come. I will be strengthening the undercarriage struts as I just don't trust them to take the weight by the time lead has been added.
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: kitnut617 on June 25, 2015, 06:44:08 am
I
said
CAMOTINT!!!!!

😉

I know you did  ;D Any suggestions as to what "off the shelf" paint I should use ? I hate these paint mix charts where they go 2 parts x + 17 parts y + 33 parts z  :banghead: and yes I am talking about you Revell

The Humbrol Colour book is just as bad ---
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: TallEng on June 25, 2015, 07:28:23 am
how about Xtracolor/Xtracrylix Sky ? nice colour for sneaking about early morning/evening
I've done a Spitfire FR.21 in that, looks very fetching :thumbsup:
even if I say so my self ;D
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,38008.15.html

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 25, 2015, 10:50:03 am
Humbrol do a pale looking Sky too.

I have no idea what the code no. is as my tin lid has been handily painted red. [It's a long story......]
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: KiwiZac on June 25, 2015, 01:40:22 pm
I never realised just how old this kit is.
You are a real sucker for punishment. Of all the Airfix tools that need to be scrapped and melted down into new-tool moulds, it's this one. Good luck!
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on June 26, 2015, 06:57:04 am
Right I've been reading up about Camotint and from what I've read it was Sky but with a different surface finish. Or maybe to be accurate we should say Sky was Camotint with a different surface finish as Sky came afterwards  ;D

So I'm going with Xtracrylic Sky with a satin varnish until Kitbasher sets his minions on me  ;D
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 26, 2015, 08:43:26 am
Humbrol do a pale looking Sky too.

I have no idea what the code no. is as my tin lid has been handily painted red. [It's a long story......]

90. And 23 is a good alternative, too.
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on June 27, 2015, 07:36:19 am
I have an old tin of 90 in the collection  :thumbsup: Ta
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: kitbasher on June 28, 2015, 12:28:10 am
A wise choice.  Now, I know I've an ice cream tank to finish but would you be miffed if I joined the Comet fray with one done in the scheme worn by Spitfire PR.XIIIs - Extra Dark Sea Grey, Extra Dark Sea Green and PRU Mauve?

Given the speed of my builds you know it probably won't get done until Christmas!
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on June 28, 2015, 01:01:10 am
I've no problem with you joining in.

Which years Yuletide are we talking about ?  ;D

Mad a little progress between working on the other kits nearer completion and started to work on the nose wheel bay and a very simple cockpit interior. Checked the canopy and there is not a frame in sight ! Suits me as it saves having to sand them off and polish  ;D
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: zenrat on June 28, 2015, 03:00:21 am
Hmmmm, I may pull mine out again and recommence PSR.
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: kitbasher on June 28, 2015, 05:28:35 am
Har, har Chris. Just remember I know roughly where you live!

I think I will do the Comet but outside this GB as an 'inspired by NARSES2' build.
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on June 29, 2015, 06:15:13 am
Har, har Chris. Just remember I know roughly where you live!



It's a big borough  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Old Wombat on June 29, 2015, 04:41:15 pm
Har, har Chris. Just remember I know roughly where you live!



It's a big borough  :rolleyes:

Not if he goes the whole hog & nukes it. ;)

:blink:
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Rheged on June 30, 2015, 01:37:03 am
Har, har Chris. Just remember I know roughly where you live!



It's a big borough  :rolleyes:

Not if he goes the whole hog & nukes it. ;)

:blink:

No finesse!    More subtle is a model left on the doormat with the wings pulled off.   It's much more threatening.........
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on June 30, 2015, 06:43:30 am
Har, har Chris. Just remember I know roughly where you live!



It's a big borough  :rolleyes:

Not if he goes the whole hog & nukes it. ;)

:blink:

Parts of the Borough might benefit from that  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: loupgarou on June 30, 2015, 12:00:39 pm
Har, har Chris. Just remember I know roughly where you live!



It's a big borough  :rolleyes:

Not if he goes the whole hog & nukes it. ;)

If he has some RAF connections, with that Vulcan flying all over the place, the job wouldn't be so difficult... ;D

:blink:
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Rheged on June 30, 2015, 01:53:44 pm
Har, har Chris. Just remember I know roughly where you live!



It's a big borough  :rolleyes:

Not if he goes the whole hog & nukes it. ;)

:blink:

Parts of the Borough might benefit from that  :rolleyes:

I'm reminded of a comment by a Liverpudlian friend   when I was at Uni in 1971  " A 20 megaton H bomb  exploded in Toxteth yesterday, causing seven shillings and fourpence worth of damage"
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on July 01, 2015, 06:44:56 am
Har, har Chris. Just remember I know roughly where you live!



It's a big borough  :rolleyes:

Not if he goes the whole hog & nukes it. ;)

If he has some RAF connections, with that Vulcan flying all over the place, the job wouldn't be so difficult... ;D

:blink:

Now that's a worry because he does  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on July 18, 2015, 07:42:32 am
Right progress.

As I said before we got into Camotint and nuking Croydon  ;D I've carved out the cockpit and today I built and painted up a very simple insert for the void. Floor, seat, stick and instrument panel. I also cut out the nose wheel well and boxed it in as well as drilling and backing two holes to represent the camera ports. When I looked at the engine nacelles the radiator openings are open on one half of each nacelle and solid on the other half  :blink: Anyway they are now opened up and backed. This kit really should be consigned to the great model shop in the sky.

I may give her a different undercarriage arrangement, single legs rather then the struts she has at the moment. At the very least I will beef the undercarriage up as it's a remarkably thin piece of moulding and doesn't look very strong at all. The fuselage is joined and I've realised I've put no weight in the nose  :banghead: Oh well cue to construct a simple base  ;D

Still not sure about the propellors ? I have some spare early Hurricane 3 bladed ones (indeed I have many) and may trim the length of those a little bit and use those. We shall see
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on July 19, 2015, 08:28:55 am
Right fairly quick progress on this. The major sub-assemblies are complete. Fusalage doesn't need much filler at all, just some to the rear of the canopy where I've extended the spine - she will be a single seater. Engines are added to the wings and in all honesty they only needed some P.P.P. at the join to fill the gap. That now has some more added to cover the shrinkage of the original application. I've cut the canopy so I can pose it open and by heck it must be 4mm thick !!! Found a suitable nose gear leg and wheel in the spares box and have decided to go with the existing undercarriage arrangement. Should get the wings mounted tomorrow and they will need some plastic strip in the join prior to P.P.P. Propeller/spinner combination is made. used cut down Hurricane blades with the existing Comet spinner.
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Captain Canada on July 24, 2015, 04:29:55 am
Sounds good. I had almost grabbed one of these kits on the weekend....wished I'd had now  :blink:
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on July 24, 2015, 06:42:28 am
Sounds good. I had almost grabbed one of these kits on the weekend....wished I'd had now  :blink:

Seriously Capt, it does take you back to the 50's but I am enjoying it. Having said that I'll probably give her, her last psr session tonight as after that we hit the law of ever decreasing returns and the fun goes out of it. Hopefully start getting the Humbrol No 90 on her over the weekend. No names as I'm not starting that again  ;D
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Captain Canada on July 25, 2015, 04:58:00 am
It's like the little Gosling kit. You see the art on the new box and your head is filled with all sorts ! Then you open the box and look at all four parts lol. Still could be a neat build with a little elbow grease !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on July 25, 2015, 06:51:01 am
Manage to lose one of the gear legs whilst she was in transit to the sink for a wash down  :banghead: Anyway gave up looking and fabricated a new one, good enough for Government work. Also discovered she will be very, very tail heavy. No way I can get enough lead in there so I've made a base. First coat of paint on the undersides.

I must admit that with a nose wheel undercarriage she has a certain Me 262 look about her from certain angles
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on July 26, 2015, 07:53:11 am
Painted, that was easy  ;D In the process of being "Kleared" at the moment
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Captain Canada on July 26, 2015, 05:26:24 pm
Now that you have mentioned the 262 I can actually see that ! looking forward to seeing this one Chris.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on July 28, 2015, 06:16:07 am
Transfers on, very simple, and back story just about thought through. Need to check a couple of my "facts" first
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on July 29, 2015, 07:04:00 am
Slight delay. I want her to have a satin finish as that matches what I've read about early PR birds. Thought I had some, but not so. Pick some up Friday hopefully. If not I'll try Tamiya matting agent + Klear
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on August 01, 2015, 05:42:08 am
Humbrol satin obtained and applied. Just a couple of bits and bobs now. Should be finished in a couple of days
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on August 05, 2015, 11:40:14 pm
As promised here's the finished product

After competing in the 1934 MacRobertson England to Australia air race, De Havilland DH.88 Comet G-ACSR was bought back by De Havilland’s after the race in January 1935 and used by Geoffrey de Havilland Jnr as his personal runabout. As such he constantly “tweaked” it and eventually it had become a single seater with the rear fuselage extended forward to cover the second seat, it had also acquired new engines with three bladed propellers which only just cleared the airframe. However the most startling change was its conversion to nose wheel undercarriage.

It was this last modification which intrigued the R.A.F. and in late 1938 they purchased the aircraft from De Havilland’s in order to see what effect the modification had on the ground handling qualities of such a small aircraft. She finished her work in this sphere and with war clouds gathering was passed on to the Photographic Development Unit at Heston. Here she acquired some camera fittings in the space vacated by the second seat which could be fitted out for either vertical or oblique imagery. “Port holes” were provided for either eventuality. She was used by the P.D.U. for both the training of prospective P.R. pilots in the particular skills required for their chosen vocation and for the operational testing of new camera equipment. During the 1940 Invasion Scare she flew at least two operational sorties over the ports of Northern France/Belgium taking shots of the great barge build up which then led to attacks on targets by Bomber Command. Finally retired in 1942 she spent the next few years as a ground instructional airframe until being bought back by De Havilland’s in 1946. After use as the company hack through to 1963 she was finally retired to the DH Museum where she was lovingly restored by apprentices to her MacRobertson glory days. She can still be seen in this condition at the museum and plans are afloat to try and get her airworthy again thus reviving hopes of possible races with the aircraft at the Shuttleworth collection.

This kit first appeared in 1957 and is thus only 5 years younger than me. However it’s the first time I’ve ever built one, indeed it’s one of only 2 or 3 “civilian” aircraft models I have ever built. Well she certainly shows her age and some of the plastic is as thick as a tree trunk, and that includes the canopy ! However despite all that I really enjoyed it. The kit goes together reasonably well, sure she needs a fair bit of p.s.r., but no more than some resin kits I can name, and in the end went together really quickly despite the changes I made. So what were the changes ? To start with I hollowed out the “solid” cockpit including the pilot heads and fabricated a simple cockpit ; floor, seat, control stick and instrument panel. I then made a nose wheel bay and boxed that in, the nose wheel came from the spares box and I’ve no idea which kit it originated from but from the colour of the plastic it was an old one. Nose wheel doors are simply plastic card. The propellers are spare Airfix Hurricane ones, cut down so that they just clear the fuselage with the Comet’s spinners attached. Currently these are only tacked on as I will replace them when I can find some suitable. The pitot is the original kit’s tail skid, likewise the exhausts are cut down from some old, long gone kit. I only had one which is why they are only mounted on the outside of the nacelle and angled to exhaust over the wing. I’ve no idea if them being on one side only is practicable, but hey, she was used to test a lot of things so why not ? The base is a drinks mat (5 for £1 in the Pound Store) covered with railway modeler’s flock, and yes I forgot to put weight in the nose and when I tried the engine pods there was no way I could get enough in. She is the ultimate tail sitter. Paint scheme is Humbrol 90 “Sky” masquerading as Camotint with transfers from Xtradecal for the roundels and Ventura for the serials. I know they probably should be grey but I didn’t have any. The stencils are from the spares box and are purely there to liven up the airframe a little. She’s finished in a satin varnish as from my reading that is the way Camotint appeared to the naked eye.

Anyway there she is, an enjoyable build despite her 58 years of age. Will Airfix finally retire her when she hits 60 ?
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Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Gondor on August 06, 2015, 12:56:05 am
That's a very short wheelbase  :o  Looks good though  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Librarian on August 06, 2015, 01:24:56 am
A beautiful aircraft, and far more pleasing in that scheme. That canopy must have been a bear to hack through...does look very thick. Lovely job :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: zenrat on August 06, 2015, 02:58:50 am
You've done a lovely job.  Well done.
Heyford exhausts maybe?
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Mossie on August 06, 2015, 04:39:42 am
She looks lovely Chris, nice job. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on August 06, 2015, 07:17:15 am
You've done a lovely job.  Well done.
Heyford exhausts maybe?


Seriously I have no idea. Whatever they were from I only had one set, so if Heyford 3 have gone walkabout
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 06, 2015, 07:57:27 am
Heyford exhausts go up from the manifold, slightly swept, and then make quite a sharp turn FORWARDS!  :o

No, I have no idea why they do that and I fitted them to my Hawker Cyclone pointing more conventionally backward.

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Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Modelling_Mushi on August 07, 2015, 03:16:21 am
Lovely build, good sleek lines. I did read that DH had put a bomber (?) variant to the Air MInistry that was knocked back. Wonder how a PR offering would have gone in real life?


Anyway there she is, an enjoyable build despite her 58 years of age. Will Airfix finally retire her when she hits 60 ?


Well, if shes in Australia there is bugger all chance. Retirement age is creeping towards 67 plus now, I'm sure they will increase it every few years just to keep us wage slaves hanging on.
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: zenrat on August 07, 2015, 03:47:35 am
Members (never was a word more appropriate) of parliament of course can retire earlier than that...
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: NARSES2 on August 07, 2015, 06:32:46 am
Lovely build, good sleek lines. I did read that DH had put a bomber (?) variant to the Air MInistry that was knocked back. Wonder how a PR offering would have gone in real life?


Ah that is interesting, thank you  :thumbsup:

So perhaps do a Hart replacement first and then do the fighter version as a Fury replacement ?

maybe I need to acquire two kits

Retirement age is going up to 66 in the UK in 2018 ? I'm 65 in 2017 but I retired at 55 anyway  ;D Bought 10 years and got my full pension then so why work the extra ?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Captain Canada on August 07, 2015, 09:47:20 am
That looks so good Chris ! Love how fast and smooth she looks...and the open and detailed cockpit is a very nice touch.

 :wub: :cheers:
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: kitbasher on August 08, 2015, 03:27:46 am
Very pretty, Chris.  And Camotint too!

And it's your first Comet?  Blimey - I must have built at least three over the years, including the BEA Comet earlier this year.  Another three in the stash - two for whiffery and one real world.  I do wish Airfix would bring out a new Comet - the SBS kit (http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/SBSK7003) looks beautiful but at £30...?).
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Captain Canada on August 08, 2015, 04:12:49 am
Uh, it`s resin. But I do agree that seeing a new one from Airfix would be a treat ! Whif in a box.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: kitbasher on September 13, 2015, 12:47:28 am
Lovely build Chris, I tolds ya Camotint!

Mystic Kitbasher predicts G-ACSS re-entering military service to photograph the German invasion barges 😉
Title: Re: A PR Comet
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on September 13, 2015, 04:56:07 pm
Beautiful looker - well built as well! :thumbsup: