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Offline Glenn Gilbertson

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Hawker P.1035
« on: August 19, 2020, 07:08:23 pm »
Hawker P.1035
In RW apparently Sidney Camm was not impressed by early jet engines – “wouldn’t pull the skin off a rice pudding” -  so concentrated on developing his excellent Tempest and Fury  piston powered fighters. This left Hawkers as late starters in the jet fighter stakes, their P.1040 missing RAF orders but eventually becoming the well-loved Sea Hawk.
In the whiffworld  of 1943 Rolls Royce convince Camm that they really will have an engine in the 5,000 lb thrust class (the Nene) available by 1945. In these early days there is no established lay out for a jet fighter, but air intakes need to be close to the engine and exhaust pipes as short as possible to reduce thrust loss. After considering a “Jet Fury” (P.1031) with an engine in the nose, exhausting under the fuselage (like a Yak-15), then cockpit and cannons in the nose, wing root air intakes with a straight through exhaust (P.1035), Camm hit on the idea of short bifurcated exhausts. Nobody knew if this layout would work.
To try out the layout and especially the  bifurcated exhausts, Camm accepted that the first prototype P.1035 would have a 2,400 lb thrust Rolls Royce Derwent, but the fuselage could accommodate the Nene when it became available. The Tempest cockpit and modified outer wings were used, and a tailwheel undercarriage for lightness (and acknowledging the Navy’s preference in the matter). The aircraft would be unarmed, with lead ballast representing the cannons.
Test Pilots’ Verdict
“Not good enough Mr Camm – apart from more power, needs a new wing & a nosewheel. The tail unit vibrates. The exhaust system works, though”
The model
Vintage Airfix – the lack of gun ports being an advantage in this case – Airfix  Tempest canopy and the outer wings of a long-scrapped Revell Tempest V.
P1200995 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr
P1200996 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr
P1210003 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr
Tail wheel bay cut out.
P1210004 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr
P1210005 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr
The Revell wings proved to be much thicker than the Sea Hawk’s – Miliput to the rescue!
P1210035 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr
P1210017 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr
P1210047 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr
New  undercarriage doors & exhaust plates from plastic card. Wheel hubs drilled for detail. Fin/tailplane acorn & arrestor hook removed. Markings from Airfix Typhoon, but serial adapted from Airfix Tempest to SN822, part of an un-issued block. Xtradecal prototype marks.
P.1350 Flight 2 P1070195 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr
P.1035 flight by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr
Over Langley
P1210044 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr
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Re: Hawker P.1035
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2020, 12:53:34 am »
Love it Glenn!  :wub:

Very plausible too.  :thumbsup:
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

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Re: Hawker P.1035
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2020, 02:04:48 am »
Awesome! Seahawk looks quite good in raf camo.
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Re: Hawker P.1035
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2020, 02:53:15 am »
Very good Glen.  I like that.

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Re: Hawker P.1035
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2020, 02:56:30 am »
Congratulations! :thumbsup:
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Re: Hawker P.1035
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2020, 03:04:09 am »
It works for me so very well, the Hawker equivalent of the Supermarine Attacker? Does anybody else see a (unintentional) jet General Aircraft Hotspur though!  ;D
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Re: Hawker P.1035
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2020, 03:55:55 am »
Looks great - nice one! :thumbsup:
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Re: Hawker P.1035
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2020, 03:56:14 am »
Very nice Glen :wub:
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Re: Hawker P.1035
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2020, 04:15:20 am »

 Does anybody else see a (unintentional) jet General Aircraft Hotspur though!  ;D


Yes, it's the position of the cockpit that does it, together with the tubular fuselage I think.
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Re: Hawker P.1035
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2020, 05:39:41 am »
Nice one. Looks just the part :thumbsup:

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Re: Hawker P.1035
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2020, 06:22:30 am »

 Does anybody else see a (unintentional) jet General Aircraft Hotspur though!  ;D


Yes, it's the position of the cockpit that does it, together with the tubular fuselage I think.

First thought that pinged around my brain  ;)

That's come out really well Glen, very plausible as well  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: Hawker P.1035
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2020, 11:58:33 am »
It works for me so very well, the Hawker equivalent of the Supermarine Attacker? Does anybody else see a (unintentional) jet General Aircraft Hotspur though!  ;D

Yes, I can see exactly what you mean.
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Re: Hawker P.1035
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2020, 11:19:44 am »
Thanks, gentlemen, glad you like it.
See what you mean about the Hotspur:

P1210068 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr

P1210069 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr

Can't believe I made that Frog Hotspur as a schoolboy when it was a new issue in 1963!

P1210070 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr

Of course, longer wings (even if not by much) would make a better match:

P1210070 M2 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr

You could do it the other way round - but might burn off the tailplane!
P1210070 M3 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr

Maybe Sidney Camm eventually got it right after all:
P1210063 by Glenn Gilbertson, on Flickr

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Re: Hawker P.1035
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2020, 12:08:54 pm »

Of course, longer wings (even if not by much) would make a better match:


Haven't i always said that?  ;D ;D ;) ;)
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Re: Hawker P.1035
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2020, 02:50:13 pm »
Wow a bit ugly, and therefore perfect!  Nice idea. 

Like the landing gear. 
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