Recce and Surveillance GB - Rules

[NARSES2]

Gentlemen once the Moderators are happy with things I will open this up for discussion so here are the first draft for the rules for the Recce and Surveillance GB.

Chris

RECCE & SURVEILLANCE GB RULES

1.   The Recce and Surveillance GB runs from 00:01 Thursday 1 July 2021 to 23:59 Thursday 30 September 2021 (all times local).  An extension may or may not be considered/set up according to demand and or pecuniary overtures.

2.   Any subject - physical models of any scale, profiles and stories are eligible but they must be a whif devoted to reconnaissance: manned/unmanned (aircraft, vehicles, ships, submarines, robots.....even animals), land/sea/air/space.  Photo recce, fighter recce, maritime reconnaissance, ELINT, SIGINT, artillery spotters, drones....etc.  Basically, stuff to find out what's going on somewhere.   Can be as simple (change of markings or camo scheme) or as complex (full on kit bashing) as you wish.  If in doubt as to what's in scope then check out (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance), if still in doubt contact the Mods.

3)  You may build, draw or write as many entries as you like (good luck!).  The posting of in-progress pictures is encouraged as always.  Back stories - however long or short - supporting physical models and profiles are always welcome.

4) "Preparation" work is allowed prior to the start of the GB - this includes the cutting out and cleaning up of parts, even designing and printing your own decals, but anything involving paint or glue is not allowed.

5) Eligibility of part-started models will be considered by the moderators. You should pm to explain what you have done (pictures re a great help if you can include them) and they will decide, their decision being final.

6) No rule 6 - is there ever a rule 6 ? It's one rule or another so from now on it's 6

7) Moderator is TomZ aided and abetted by Kitbasher. Thank you gents

8.   The completed builds thread will be locked at the end of the GB and shortly afterwards the poll will be set up.  Number of votes each depends on the number of entries.  Keep your eyes out for updates!

9) As decided earlier in the year by the Membership the first three placed entries in the Group Build will automatically be nominated for a Whiffy in a new, specific Group Build Class.

[TomZ]

Topic unlocked in preparation of the start of the group build in one month time.

TomZ

[zenrat]

Can I propose Rule 2a:  Aircraft models must have longer wings.  If no longer wings are fitted then it is required that the fuselage be shortened.

[McColm]

Oooh I've been told that I will be discharged from hospital this week, so I can use this as part of my recovery plan.

[TomZ]

Can I propose Rule 2a:  Aircraft models must have longer wings.  If no longer wings are fitted then it is required that the fuselage be shortened.

Should your forum name be changed to PR19Zen then?

TomZ

[Pellson]

Oooh I've been told that I will be discharged from hospital this week, so I can use this as part of my recovery plan.

Best news today!! 

Re the longer wings - I vote against since any tactical recon bird will be fast and agile down in the weed, something you're not if you have massive wings.

[PR19_Kit]

Can I propose Rule 2a:  Aircraft models must have longer wings.  If no longer wings are fitted then it is required that the fuselage be shortened.

Should your forum name be changed to PR19Zen then?

[kitnut617]

Oooh I've been told that I will be discharged from hospital this week, so I can use this as part of my recovery plan.

Best news today!! 

Re the longer wings - I vote against since any tactical recon bird will be fast and agile down in the weed, something you're not if you have massive wings.

Yeah, and like the airliners the RAF used when flying into Berlin ---- 

[Flyer]

Doubtful I'll be taking part, but one never knows... Would a F.A.C aircraft count?

[TomZ]

Doubtful I'll be taking part, but one never knows... Would a F.A.C aircraft count?

After long and careful deliberation the supreme council of moderators have decided that pure F.A.C. aircraft are not allowed in this group build according to the rules. FAC is principally engaged to ensure weapons land on an enemy target not one's own forces.  FACs work on the ground or on the air directing weapons drops, they're not recce assets.

See also: https://wikimili.com/en/Forward_air_control#:~:text=Forward%20air%20control%20is%20the%20provision%20of%20guidance,out%20by%20a%20forward%20air%20controller%20%28FAC%29.%20%5B2%5D

TomZ

[kerick]

Oooh I've been told that I will be discharged from hospital this week, so I can use this as part of my recovery plan.

That's great news! Whiff therapy!

[Flyer]

Doubtful I'll be taking part, but one never knows... Would a F.A.C aircraft count?

After long and careful deliberation the supreme council of moderators have decided that pure F.A.C. aircraft are not allowed in this group build according to the rules. FAC is principally engaged to ensure weapons land on an enemy target not one's own forces.  FACs work on the ground or on the air directing weapons drops, they're not recce assets.

See also: https://wikimili.com/en/Forward_air_control#:~:text=Forward%20air%20control%20is%20the%20provision%20of%20guidance,out%20by%20a%20forward%20air%20controller%20%28FAC%29.%20%5B2%5D

TomZ

OK

The F.A.C I was thinking about would be for a mercenary air force to not only mark target's but monitor and follow the enemy's movements also, but considering I don't have a suitable kit yet or be likely to obtain one before the GB I'm not really sure why I felt it was important to ask anyway...

Shouldn't artillery spotters also be out too then? They are mentioned in rule 2...

[Weaver]

With respect to ground vehicles, a lot are dual-role: for instance, some 'recce' armoured cars have pretty hefty guns (AML-90...) and have roles including screening, fire-support and flank protection in addition to recce. An M3 Bradley 'recce' vehicle is externally almost indistinguishable from an M2 'fighting' vehicle, including the TOW missiles, sp where do you draw the line?

[loupgarou]

With respect to ground vehicles, a lot are dual-role: for instance, some 'recce' armoured cars have pretty hefty guns (AML-90...) and have roles including screening, fire-support and flank protection in addition to recce. An M3 Bradley 'recce' vehicle is externally almost indistinguishable from an M2 'fighting' vehicle, including the TOW missiles, sp where do you draw the line?

"An officer in the turret with binoculars is mandatory"    

[TomZ]

where do you draw the line?

A lot will depend on the back story, I think.
I propose that if you have any specific questions you pm the moderators. Talking in general terms will only confuse matters further I'm afraid.
If you give an example of what you want to build, we will judge that with a positive outlook 

And let's not forget: This group build is supposed to be FUN!

TomZ & Kitbasher