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English Electric Canberra interceptor.

Started by chrisonord, July 21, 2019, 01:56:17 PM

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chrisonord

As this was also a real world  proposal  being  armed with a pair of rather rotund  missiles, I was  thinking of  building my own version of  an in service  Canberra interceptor.  I  am thinking of  using  the Martin  B 57 version  though,  mainly  because of the  cockpit and canopy  arrangement.  Better  all round view,  and  better for the  crews  in case they needed to  eject. Also,  larger or different  shaped  intakes and  exhaust nozzles,  as the aircraft  could  benefit from more powerful engines, and  also  maybe a new nose  for the necessary  radar  . I think  I  will  arm it wi3 a pair  of large  missiles,  possibly  some  modified  Soviet  era air to air missiles,  suitably  hacked up. I shall  name  said  missiles,  tweed squirrel.. :wacko:
Chris
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PR19_Kit

Graft in some engines from a PR9, OODLES more power then.  :thumbsup:
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chrisonord

I will have to have a look at what I  have  in the bits boxes,  I have an xtrakit Canberra,  that is a  PR version  but not sure of the  version it is.
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The B-57 pilot was sat quite near the front, without very much nose in front of him. To fit a bigger radar, you'll have to extend the nose and blend the shape into the existing taper of the fuselage: think B-57G but with a pointier radome. :thumbsup:
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kerick

You could use whatever Canberra kit that has the biggest engines and then add a B-57 front fuselage or just add the cockpit and canopy from some appropriate two seater such as a Phantom or T-33 type.

This looks really interesting! I'll be watching this one!

Hmmm.... an F-4C/D has a nice fat nose.....
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KJ_Lesnick

Why not just fit it with nuclear tipped missiles?  If you're going to haul missiles that big around, you might as well make 'em count with the highest P/k
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PR19_Kit

The Xtrakit PR Canberra is a PR9, yes.

And a PR9 has by FAR the most powerful engines of a 'standard' Canberra. They tended to take-off at 80% throttle even with a full fuel load.

Of course the various test-bed aircraft had even larger ones, probably the most powerful being the Olympus Canberra.
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Quote from: KJ_Lesnick on July 21, 2019, 09:28:46 PM
Why not just fit it with nuclear tipped missiles?  If you're going to haul missiles that big around, you might as well make 'em count with the highest P/k

Why not just fill the bomb bay with AAMRAAMs?  A two double-tier rotary launchers should have enough capacity to ruin the day for an opposing squadron's worth of aircraft ...
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chrisonord

Quote from: Scotaidh on July 22, 2019, 01:25:49 AM
Quote from: KJ_Lesnick on July 21, 2019, 09:28:46 PM
Why not just fit it with nuclear tipped missiles?  If you're going to haul missiles that big around, you might as well make 'em count with the highest P/k

Why not just fill the bomb bay with AAMRAAMs?  A two double-tier rotary launchers should have enough capacity to ruin the day for an opposing squadron's worth of aircraft ...
Hya  Scott,  the aircraft will be in a 1950's early 60's time line,  so a long time  before  the aim 120. I want to  arm it with missiles  from that period,  hence the large tweed squirrel  or for the super sonic aircraft,  tweed Bishop missiles. Nuclear  tipped missiles would be  the very last choice  given  where the aircraft will be based. Rickshaw,  your  F-114 is something  like  what I  want to do , part based on a version  in a book I have,  and  part based on the practicality of the  B 57 cockpit.
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PR19_Kit

Red Deans, that's the way to go on the missile front. The Canberra's possibly the ONLY aircraft large enough to carry the darn things!

I've been whittling away at doing something similar for ages now, it was intended for the Cold War GB over a year ago, but as is often the case with my projects it got stalled on some irritating small problem. It's going to be armed with two Red Deans on wing pylons, six Firestreaks in modified F-89H wing pod tanks, and if all else fails, two Genies carried in the bomb bay on F-102 trapeze mounts.  ;D

https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=44957.0

Oh yeah, it started off with PR9 engines and wings too, but I upgraded them to some theoretical RR turbofan.
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chrisonord

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Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 22, 2019, 05:23:38 AM
Red Deans, that's the way to go on the missile front. The Canberra's possibly the ONLY aircraft large enough to carry the darn things!

I've been whittling away at doing something similar for ages now, it was intended for the Cold War GB over a year ago, but as is often the case with my projects it got stalled on some irritating small problem. It's going to be armed with two Red Deans on wing pylons, six Firestreaks in modified F-89H wing pod tanks, and if all else fails, two Genies carried in the bomb bay on F-102 trapeze mounts.  ;D

https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=44957.0

Oh yeah, it started off with PR9 engines and wings too, but I upgraded them to some theoretical RR turbofan.
I think  making the  intakes and  exhaust  different  enough  will be the biggest  challenge  without  going  silly,  I  think  I  will look at  aircraft  that flew high subsonic, and  see if their  intakes are  scratch buildable. Missile wise, just  a pair either under the wings or on the wing tips.  The tweed  squirrel  will be a competitor to the  red deans. Modified  R-40 's will make  suitable  missiles  I  think,  changing the  fins and  round  off the nose of them will work.
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Quote from: KJ_Lesnick on July 21, 2019, 09:28:46 PM
Why not just fit it with nuclear tipped missiles?  If you're going to haul missiles that big around, you might as well make 'em count with the highest P/k

You really don't want to be using nuclear tipped missiles anywhere near, let alone over, a crowded island like Great Britain.
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chrisonord

My thoughts  exactly  Chris.  I have a  pair of Genies on my Avro Archer,  but that is  based on Germany,  or Greenland.
Chris.
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If you cant eat it hump it or fight it,
Pee on it and walk away!!