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Offline 63cpe

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Does it look Italian or Japanese WW2?
« on: March 03, 2019, 09:26:02 am »
Picked up a longer running but very slowly advancing project. Fuselage and flying surfaces were already glued when I got it. Now I'm kitbashing it with some other parts, vertical tail is from Il-4, horizontal tailplanes will also come from the Il-4, engine nacelles from Caproni Ca311 and cockpitglazing (needs to be trimmed to fit) is an 1/24 P-51 "Dallas Hood" from falcon. But I feel the project came to a split: Does it look Italian WW2 or does it look Japanese WW2?

Depending on which theater I'll match the armament and camo.

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Please, let me know what your opinion is...Italian or Japanese. Thanks!

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Re: Does it look Italian or Japanese WW2?
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2019, 09:34:03 am »
Probably slightly more Italian than Japanese, but not by much!  I can also detect a slight flavour of German Siebel, specifically the front end of a 204D....but maybe that's just my imagination.
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Re: Does it look Italian or Japanese WW2?
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2019, 09:41:50 am »
Yes I think Italian/Caproni, but you will have to do something about the wings. They just shout out American.
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Re: Does it look Italian or Japanese WW2?
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2019, 09:57:38 am »
@Rheged, Yes your right it defeinatly has a German/Siebel touch to it, but wanted something more streamlined. The canopy of the Siebel 204D is still a bit Humpty-dumpty like...

@Jaybee, Ok thanks. Sure get your point about the wings...have a set of Caproni Ca 311/313/314 wings available. But let's check what other members feel like.

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Re: Does it look Italian or Japanese WW2?
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2019, 10:13:19 am »
Does it look Italian WW2 or does it look Japanese WW2?
I would say it looks Beauty WW2 :wub: but this is not your question, sorry.
It reminds me the Japanese Dinah III
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Re: Does it look Italian or Japanese WW2?
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2019, 10:30:29 am »
Thanks Tophe!

Haha, you've found the source of inspiration!
I've always loved the sleek lines of the Dinah III and Caponi 311/313/314 (glasshouse canopy). At the start of this project I thought, hey let's check if the sleek lines could be transplanted into a transport plane at the size of a Mitsubishi Ki-57 or Caponi CA311/313/314. I guess that's also how this identity crises started to seep through.... It was kind of "integrated" in the project.

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Re: Does it look Italian or Japanese WW2?
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2019, 11:19:08 am »
Thanks to you (I had forgotten the beautiful Ca.311, probably I saw it several years ago then no more, while Google has it, yes).
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Re: Does it look Italian or Japanese WW2?
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2019, 11:36:45 am »
If you're going for Italian, then add another engine onto the nose.  :)  That will solve any identity crisis quick, fast, and in a hurry, as Maj. Payne said.  ;) 
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Re: Does it look Italian or Japanese WW2?
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2019, 12:08:51 pm »
I'd go with Tophe on this one its got that Dinah/Japanese look about it,
except for those wings, they just shout Dakota to me.

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Re: Does it look Italian or Japanese WW2?
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2019, 01:47:38 pm »
Which Dakota kit is yours? The old 1/90 Monogram one?
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Re: Does it look Italian or Japanese WW2?
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2019, 02:19:45 pm »
except for those wings, they just shout Dakota to me.

My first thought was American, but I was thinking of the C-46, a combination of the wings and faired cockpit.  But to answer the question, I'd go with Japanese and the Dinah connection too.
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Re: Does it look Italian or Japanese WW2?
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2019, 03:56:37 pm »
except for those wings, they just shout Dakota to me.

My first thought was American, but I was thinking of the C-46, a combination of the wings and faired cockpit.  But to answer the question, I'd go with Japanese and the Dinah connection too.

My 1st thought was the Dinah, then the late model C-46s without the front step  but I agree with the Caproni look, too.

As the Japanese did build the DC-3 as the L2D, I would go with a Japanese version and keep the wings.

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Re: Does it look Italian or Japanese WW2?
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2019, 04:08:16 pm »
I'm getting a more Caproni vibe (Ca.311 & Ca.313 but, especially, Ca.331) but the Mitsubishi Ki-46-III isn't too far behind.

The wings do scream C-47/DC-3 but that could be fixed by halving/eliminating the backward rake of the wings; so they either taper straight out or rake forward.

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Re: Does it look Italian or Japanese WW2?
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2019, 06:25:14 am »
A little bit late to the show, but has more of an Italian vibe to me
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Re: Does it look Italian or Japanese WW2?
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2019, 10:54:41 am »
Thanks gentlemen!

I do understand the mini-and-slimmed-down C-46 look. But I want it to loose it's American style. So, I'll adopt the proposed change of outer wings or re angled outer wings eventhough the Japanese did copy the Dakota as L2D.

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@Loupgarou: yes, i guess it is. I got this model about 60% built, missing engines, undercarriage, sidedoor and canopy. In the fuselage is Monogram stamped and comparing to an 1/72 C-47 it is about 1/90-1/100.

@ Old Wombat: Your 50 cents are very much appreciated and are actually worth much more! I really love the Ca331! What a beauty! Just as sleek as Japanese aircraft but definitely Italian in style. Can't really define what the Italian style is over the Japanese style.

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