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Re: The Flying Machines of Unconventional Means GB - Discussion
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2019, 04:40:17 am »

But TODAY helicopters are NOT unconventional. So a modern day what-if helicopter is allowed or not?


Yes.
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Re: The Flying Machines of Unconventional Means GB - Discussion
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2019, 05:12:50 am »

Vacuum dirigibles are another Sci Fi staple.  In one concept lift is generated by vacuum "filled" buckyball spheres.


I seem to recall one old picture of a craft that was lifted up by bottles of dew, the idea being that since dew rises in the morning, it can presumably take you with it...
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Re: The Flying Machines of Unconventional Means GB - Discussion
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2019, 06:01:23 am »
I'll also take the opportunity to tackle two projects: one is from my personal series "Things to make and do with a Hawker Hawk" (well, series is a little exagerrated, since, from my many ideas, only one has seen the light so far!), and the other one will be a Soviet tiltrotor attack thing. Muahaha!

Another option might be a "Duey" attack helicopter from the Dougram anime series - there's one somewhere in the stash...




And/or: I might tackle a "Maverick"/"Bushman" or "Roundfacer" airborne combo from the same series, I have both kits (vintage originals, though) in store, too:


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Re: The Flying Machines of Unconventional Means GB - Discussion
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2019, 07:57:15 am »
Wearing my Moderator's Hat, and before consultation with my esteemed colleague Mr. NARSES2, I'd say ALL of those idea are admissible.

So go for it, you lot!

And so would I


But TODAY helicopters are NOT unconventional. So a modern day what-if helicopter is allowed or not?


Yes.

I did think about this when I was trying to draw up the rules and given that in the origional suggestion for inclusion in the GB Poll they were mentioned, then yes they are included. As Weaver mentions they get included via my

"If you have an idea for something that gets off the ground (or tries to) by methods other than the vehicles forward motion causing air to travel over an aerofoil surface then itís probably included" clause.

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Re: The Flying Machines of Unconventional Means GB - Discussion
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2019, 08:39:42 am »
Wearing my Moderator's Hat, and before consultation with my esteemed colleague Mr. NARSES2, I'd say ALL of those idea are admissible.

So go for it, you lot!

And so would I


But TODAY helicopters are NOT unconventional. So a modern day what-if helicopter is allowed or not?


Yes.

I did think about this when I was trying to draw up the rules and given that in the origional suggestion for inclusion in the GB Poll they were mentioned, then yes they are included. As Weaver mentions they get included via my

"If you have an idea for something that gets off the ground (or tries to) by methods other than the vehicles forward motion causing air to travel over an aerofoil surface then itís probably included" clause.

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Re: The Flying Machines of Unconventional Means GB - Discussion
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2019, 10:55:33 am »
Please remember that my watchwords of 'Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings' does NOT apply for this GB, as none of the entries should have any wings!
« Last Edit: February 25, 2019, 12:16:11 pm by PR19_Kit »
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

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Re: The Flying Machines of Unconventional Means GB - Discussion
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2019, 11:32:16 am »
Ah but Kit surely, rotor blades, propellor blades, and turbine blades are nothing more than small wings.  :wacko:
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Re: The Flying Machines of Unconventional Means GB - Discussion
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2019, 11:39:47 am »
How about those flying Jeeps of the 1940s and 50s?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafner_Rotabuggy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piasecki_VZ-8_Airgeep

The Flying Bedstead springs to mind (not that I'm likely to even consider it!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Thrust_Measuring_Rig

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Re: The Flying Machines of Unconventional Means GB - Discussion
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2019, 12:17:20 pm »

Ah but Kit surely, rotor blades, propellor blades, and turbine blades are nothing more than small wings.  :wacko:


Most of them are already 'long' Jim.............  ;D
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Re: The Flying Machines of Unconventional Means GB - Discussion
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2019, 04:43:26 pm »
Please remember that my watchwords of 'Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings' does NOT apply for this GB, as none of the entries should have any wings!

Ah, so compound helicopters are out then?  :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: <stir, stir stir....>
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Re: The Flying Machines of Unconventional Means GB - Discussion
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2019, 04:45:14 pm »
Please remember that my watchwords of 'Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings' does NOT apply for this GB, as none of the entries should have any wings!

Ah, so compound helicopters are out then?  :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: <stir, stir stir....>


Only if they have VERY short wings!

[I never thought I'd ever write something like that!  :o]
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Re: The Flying Machines of Unconventional Means GB - Discussion
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2019, 11:43:46 pm »
Rotodynes, Ekranoplans and Ornithoptors all have wings and all three were included in the original definition of the GB upon which we voted.
Ekranoplans also fly (in a limited sense) due to forward motion causing airflow over their wings to generate lift.
All three are most definitely unconventional.

Vanships were practically invented for this GB.  As were the flying battleships they operate from.

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Re: The Flying Machines of Unconventional Means GB - Discussion
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2019, 12:07:23 am »
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Re: The Flying Machines of Unconventional Means GB - Discussion
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2019, 12:48:01 am »

Rotodynes, Ekranoplans and Ornithoptors all have wings and all three were included in the original definition of the GB upon which we voted.
Ekranoplans also fly (in a limited sense) due to forward motion causing airflow over their wings to generate lift.
All three are most definitely unconventional.


And they all have short wings (apart from Rotocranes, that is......)
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

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