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Re: The Old Kit GB - Rules discussion
« Reply #90 on: September 22, 2016, 08:04:23 am »
Okay I missed the In The Navy GB entirely due to a combination of illness, events, DIY attacks and lost mojo, but having reacquired the latter, I would like to do the following model for Old Kit GB please.

It's the Hasegawa Grumman Cougar, which dates from 1978 and is therefore well within the 1985 cut off point, Scalemates link here: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/137596-hasegawa-b23-grumman-f9f-8-cougar

However it's part-started. The upper wings have been glued onto the lowers, the cockpit front and aft bulkheads have been glued in, the two halves of the seat have been glued together, a couple of small spacers have been glued into the fuselage, and some grey paint (undercoat) has been sprayed around. Picture below:



Is this level of part-started acceptable? No problem if it isn't, I'll just do the Tiger that came after it.
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Re: The Old Kit GB - Rules discussion
« Reply #91 on: September 22, 2016, 01:12:39 pm »
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Re: The Old Kit GB - Rules discussion
« Reply #92 on: September 27, 2016, 09:54:25 am »
I'm afraid I can't work out how to include stories or profiles in an old kit GB so I think this GB will be purely for models.
A suggestion Chris:  Any profile subjects should date before 1986, you can use modern liveries if you wish  "Kitbashed" profiles should be same as plastic, i.e. 60% should be of a subject dating before 1986.  Anything sci-fi should be of a style before then.  Alt histories should take place before then too.

I imagine another possible way: no computer work (computers were very rare in homes in 1985) but pencil work only, on paper (pencil and paper were tools of the middle age!), could that be an addendum to the rules? (ahem, of course to be presented here on a web forum, the pencil-paper work should be scanned or photographed and there were no scanners nor cameras in the middle age, but this is the same for models; a model tooled in 1980 and photographed with a new camera of 2015 is acceptable I think) :unsure: :-\
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Re: The Old Kit GB - Rules discussion
« Reply #93 on: September 27, 2016, 12:00:18 pm »
Here's a possible suggestion: One wanting to do a profile must choose an actual kit that fits the criteria, then, whip up a profile based on said subject-matter/kit.
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Re: The Old Kit GB - Rules discussion
« Reply #94 on: September 27, 2016, 01:08:09 pm »

I imagine another possible way: no computer work (computers were very rare in homes in 1985)


Well I had one then, but it was an Amstrad CPC 664 8 bit machine.

But it wasn't really suitable for graphics work, even very low resolution work back then. Later software and hardware upgrades did give it some sort of graphics capability, but even then is was a] slow and b] somewhat crude.
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

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Re: The Old Kit GB - Rules discussion
« Reply #95 on: September 27, 2016, 06:19:13 pm »

It's the Hasegawa Grumman Cougar, which dates from 1978 and is therefore well within the 1985 cut off point, Scalemates link here: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/137596-hasegawa-b23-grumman-f9f-8-cougar

However it's part-started. The upper wings have been glued onto the lowers, the cockpit front and aft bulkheads have been glued in, the two halves of the seat have been glued together, a couple of small spacers have been glued into the fuselage, and some grey paint (undercoat) has been sprayed around. Picture below:

Is this level of part-started acceptable? No problem if it isn't, I'll just do the Tiger that came after it.

Okay the mods have decided that this one's too far gone for the 'part started' rule: entirely understandable and I have no problem with that decision. To be honest, I'd forgotten that I'd glued the wings together before I got it out of the box.

Instead I'll be doing a (completely unstarted) Hasegawa Grumman F11-F1 Tiger in RN service. This moulding dates from 1981 according to Scalemates: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/331197-hasegawa-d017-grumman-f11f-1-tiger

Since the Cougar preceded the Tiger in RN service in my timeline, I might work on the Cougar as a non-GB project anyway, since they can share some of the paint-spraying (white undercoat/underside and EDSG topsides).
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Re: The Old Kit GB - Rules discussion
« Reply #96 on: September 28, 2016, 07:03:58 am »

I imagine another possible way: no computer work (computers were very rare in homes in 1985) but pencil work only, on paper (pencil and paper were tools of the middle age!), could that be an addendum to the rules? (ahem, of course to be presented here on a web forum, the pencil-paper work should be scanned or photographed and there were no scanners nor cameras in the middle age, but this is the same for models; a model tooled in 1980 and photographed with a new camera of 2015 is acceptable I think) :unsure: :-\

Personally I like that idea Tophe  :thumbsup:

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Re: The Old Kit GB - Rules discussion
« Reply #97 on: September 29, 2016, 10:33:21 am »
Getting back in the what-if game for this group build. I've been working hard on real-world projects for a while and need the mental break from careful detail and historical fidelity.

I don't know the mould date, but judging by the box, the instructions, the transfers, and the amount of flash, I don't think anyone will disagree this fits:



I'm going to whif it up as a Patchwork World Dutch fighter-bomber.
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Re: The Old Kit GB - Rules discussion
« Reply #98 on: September 29, 2016, 10:42:11 am »
Awesome!! Sounds good. Looks like my kit:




I think yours is also like mine, a re-box of the initial Frog kit. 

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/147799-frog-f295-sea-venom-f-a-w-mk-21-53-strike-fighter

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Re: The Old Kit GB - Rules discussion
« Reply #99 on: September 29, 2016, 12:06:32 pm »
Interesting box and brand. Never seen it, what's the brand name? SCAT?
Yes, I'd bet it's the old Frog one.
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Re: The Old Kit GB - Rules discussion
« Reply #100 on: September 29, 2016, 12:43:04 pm »
Interesting box and brand. Never seen it, what's the brand name? SCAT?
Yes, I'd bet it's the old Frog one.
What's that Sea Venom doing? Shooting ships along the Suez Canal without the appropriate stripes? It's a No-No!   ;D

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Re: The Old Kit GB - Rules discussion
« Reply #101 on: December 17, 2016, 01:51:08 pm »
Yes, I do need a one week extension to complete my whif! So please, please, please........ Decals are posted from the other side of the planet and most likely arrive just before christmas. Think i'll be spraying and masking last week of the year. I'll hope this trouble will all be worth it.... I promise to hurry-up!

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Re: The Old Kit GB - Rules discussion
« Reply #102 on: December 22, 2016, 09:52:48 am »
Yeah, I'm thinking I could use an extra week, as well. Not for lack of trying to get the thing done but around a dozen things have conspired against me on my Spyplane whif. The latest being a customer of mine canceling today's work which would have allowed me to buy some needed matte or satin clear. Some of the setbacks are my own doing such as repeatedly breaking things but most of it has been because I'm broke and have only within the last week or two been able to buy needed things like the paint.  I've been dumping tons of hours into this and started 2 months or more ago so it's not like I waited until near the end of the build to start it.   ;D

I still might be able to pull it off by the 1st but I better prepare now for missing that deadline. 

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