What-If Armament

[Geoff_B]

How Do

As part of the process to expand a bit upon our What-if aircraft i have been looking at some of the British Weapons programs from the same era, so we can have compatible Weapon loads to go with some of our projects.

The first is the Green Cheese or later developed into the Cockburn cheese, this was to be a Nuclear armed Anti-Ship/Surface Missile.

Green Cheese

Dimensions for this beast in 1/72 scale are a length od 6.34cm and a diamater of about 0.9cm.

[Geoff_B]

I assembled mine using a 9mm Knitting needle cut to length, the nose caps are reshapped prop hubs, and fins from plastic card based on the drawing i rescalled.

Thought i would show them now before i paint them white and add the bands as these will go nicely on the belly of the 1152   .

Cheers

Geoff B B)

(Next up will be some alternative A-A weapons from the 80's/90's)

[JoeP]

Nuke anti-ship missiles? Did even the Soviets have enough of a force to make a nuke useful? NATO would group enough ships to make a tempting target, but a nuke seems like overkill for the small groups the Soviets sent out.

Then again, back in the day it was a quick and certain kill; close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and hydrogen bombs.  

JoeP

[nev]

They look very similar to your bog standard ATMs.  Depending on the size, I wonder if you could leach some missiles from an appropriate attack helo.

And I admire your ingenuity in using a knitting needle!  Very Blue Peter    

[Geoff_B]

Thor, is that the Type 545 mk2 next to those bomb deelies?

Could Be     !!!!!!

[Geoff_B]

They look very similar to your bog standard ATMs. Depending on the size, I wonder if you could leach some missiles from an appropriate attack helo.

Yeah they do look like a giant swing fire don't they !!!. However its just shorter than an Exocet and twice the Diameter. Here as quick shot to show the scale with an Exocet & Harpoon.

Nuke anti-ship missiles? Did even the Soviets have enough of a force to make a nuke useful? NATO would group enough ships to make a tempting target, but a nuke seems like overkill for the small groups the Soviets sent out.

Don't forget Joe there was alot of hype about Soviet ship capabilities and governments made the Sverdlovs out to be battlecruisers. The US Bullpup hade a Nuclear variant as well don't forget. Plus we need something to take out your Soviet Carrier group eh ?

Geoff B B)  

[viper29_ca]

As per usual, a nuke armed antiship missile would be a last ditch weapon....and would not be deployed just for the hell of it. And even at that size back in the 60s, would be a fairly low yeild nuke to start with.....somewhat along the lines of a Lance Battlefield missile.....enough to take out a division if they were closely spaced, but other than that, and the fallout....not the kind of damage of a cruise missile, sub launched missile or land based balistic missile.

Realistically, a nuke anti ship missile would be aimed at high value targets in the hopes of taking it out in one fel swoop rather than just damaging or crippling the ship with a few well placed antiship missiles. Not to mention, that the nuke anti ship missile probably didn't have to have a direct hit, in order to register a hit.

A 1kt warhead going off within 500-1000yards of a Kirov would probably make for a bad day for the sailors onboard the ship. Also not that the Russkies had much for carrier aviation but a blast would definatly fry anything on the deck of the carrier.

[John Howling Mouse]

Could I see a pic of the new missile from aft to better understand the final
angles of the fins?

And your idea of novel weapons loads is a good one.

I've tried, using basically different fins on existing 1:48 missiles but mine
always end up looking dumb and I never use them.

You've inspired me again, however...

^_^  

[Geoff_B]

Could I see a pic of the new missile from aft to better understand the final
angles of the fins?

Hi Barrie

If you click the link on the first post you can see the drawing better then just right click and save it to view it better. The fins are located an equal distant apart and fold down sideways to allow them to be carried in a Bomb bay, springing open open release.

Cheers

Geoff B B)  

[JoeP]

Don't forget Joe there was alot of hype about Soviet ship capabilities and governments made the Sverdlovs out to be battlecruisers. The US Bullpup hade a Nuclear variant as well don't forget. Plus we need something to take out your Soviet Carrier group eh ?

Geoff B B)

Comrade Thorvic,

Ah yes, our glorious triumph, the Sovietsky Soyuz, might be considered a target for your missile, but I can assure you, you capitalist running dog lackey, that your decadent western technology will fail before our superior Socialist defenses!



Up the Revolution!

Comrade Iosef R

[Captain Canada]

Looking good, Geoff ! Very ingenuitive with the knitting needle........I'll have to remember that one !

Quite an ugly bugger, when compared with the newer missiles !

And lastly, why's that little dude waving his fist at us ?

Toadman

[overscan]

So- what British what-if weapons do we know?

Lots of them here: http://www.skomer.u-net.com/projects/missiles.htm