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Help me name/classify my ship!

Started by seadude, May 04, 2010, 08:07:01 PM

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What name/classification would you choose?

HMS Habakkuk
1 (5.6%)
HMS Pyke (Named after the inventor of the Habakkuk ship.)
3 (16.7%)
USS Avenger
1 (5.6%)
Other USS name?
7 (38.9%)
CVBX- ??
0 (0%)
IX- ??
0 (0%)
Other HMS name?
2 (11.1%)
Other option. Please specify.
4 (22.2%)

Total Members Voted: 17

seadude

Ok, I needed to make a seperate poll for this as I didn't want to post about it in my Habakkuk thread.
I am very undecided about what name and/or ship classification, etc. to give my Habakkuk model. I need help. Originally, the Habakkuk is a British project/ship, therefore it should have a British name and ship prefix.
HOWEVER.........If a real Habakkuk aircraft carrier were built, then it is assumed the Americans would've taken control of the project since we (and the Canadians) had better resources, etc. to build the ship. Therefore, the Habakkuk more than likely would've gotten a US name and ship prefix instead.
I keep thinking maybe CVBX, but I'm not sure what number to follow. The "IX" prefix is also possible as that refers to Unclassified Misc. Unit.
Here's some links for reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_classification_symbol#Aircraft_carrier_type
http://www.nvr.navy.mil/class.htm
http://www.nvr.navy.mil/oldclass.htm
http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/index_ships_list.htm
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/shusn-no/usnsh-no.htm
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Cliffy B

Here's a thought, who would man the ship and aircraft?  Would it be a sole venture by one country or would it be a joint venture?  I would imagine if this thing did get built that all 3 nations (USA, Canada, and the UK) would be running her.  What about something completely new along the lines of "Allied Nations Ships" or "Allied Forces Ship", ANS or AFS?  I don't know if that's practical or not but I thought I'd share it.

Another idea would be to give it a name of a land base to aide in the confusion if any radio messages were intercepted.  The Brits name all of their airfields HMS something or other, just like their ships.  If the Germans caught wind of this in a message they'd think they were reading about just another airfield in Britain instead of a massive aircraft carrier at sea.  I know the secret wouldn't be kept for long if at all (kinda hard to hide something that big) but it was just another idea.

I really don't see anything wrong with the "Habbakuk" name either.  Another idea just popped in!!!!  IF you wanted to you could write up a back story saying that this particular pykrete CV is the 2nd one built for the US with the first being Britain's.  In that case I believe that something along the lines of maybe the USS Reprisal (CVBX-1) might work.  The USN kept trying to use that name for a ship for some time and each time it was chosen, the ship wound up being canceled.  Something like a Habbakuk suite that name me thinks.

Just my $0.02.
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Logan Hartke

My three suggestions are:

USS Franklin D. Roosevelt - I know that a real carrier had that name, but based on the timeframe of its completion, how popular he was on both sides of the Atlantic, and the size of this project, I think it fits.  Furthermore, the US Navy at the time still preferred naming carriers after ships and battles; they'd have no problem choosing a name that didn't fit the normal naming convention for a temporary ship.

USS Atlantis - "Atlantis" since the British loved the mythology-derived ship names and it fits the description fairly well as a floating island in the middle of the Atlantic.

USS Boreas - Boreas was the Greek god of the cold north wind and the bringer of winter. His name meant "North Wind" or "Devouring One".  This also fits the British love of mythological names for ships and is quite apt. It also has a history as a British naval vessel name, including a destroyer at the time that was loaned to the Greek navy in 1944 and renamed while in Greek service, making sure there'd be no confusion.

I think it would have to be US.  The British not only couldn't afford to finish it, they likely couldn't man or equip it.  In any case, your model is certainly of a US-finished carrier.  It fits.

Cheers,

Logan

dragon

The ship in question is really (for all intents and purposes) an aircraft carrier on steroids.
In the US Navy that type of vessels has been named for Presidents, Famous US Navy vessels, Battles.  By the same token I am not sure what logic was used to name the Essex-Class carriers....

USS FRANKLIN PIERCE, USS JOHN QUINCY ADAMS, USS ANDREW JOHNSON
USS CONGRESS, USS ONONDAGA, USS MONTAUK, USS WEEHAWKEN
USS MOBILE BAY, USS BULL RUN, USS KETTLE HILL, USS MANILA BAY,
USS SAMUEL ADAMS, USS MATTHEW C. PERRY,
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Logan Hartke

Another suggestion:

USS Roanoke - An English venture, realized in North America that disappeared in three years.  This has the nice historical reference, is a place (which fits US carrier naming conventions), and has that tongue-in-cheek nature that some British ship names have.

Cheers,

Logan

Cliffy B

Quote from: dragon on May 04, 2010, 10:09:57 PM
The ship in question is really (for all intents and purposes) an aircraft carrier on steroids.
In the US Navy that type of vessels has been named for Presidents, Famous US Navy vessels, Battles.  By the same token I am not sure what logic was used to name the Essex-Class carriers....

The Essex class was named after famous battles and ships.  All carriers up until the JFK and the Nimitz class were named the same way.  The current trend of using presidents and politicians started with the FDR, Forrestal, JFK, and then the entire Nimitz class.  Is there a certain Essex name you don't recognize?  Several were renamed during construction to replace the early carriers that were lost in the opening battles; Lexington, Yorktown, Wasp, and Hornet.
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dragon

Quote from: Cliffy B on May 04, 2010, 11:08:23 PM
Quote from: dragon on May 04, 2010, 10:09:57 PM
The ship in question is really (for all intents and purposes) an aircraft carrier on steroids.
In the US Navy that type of vessels has been named for Presidents, Famous US Navy vessels, Battles.  By the same token I am not sure what logic was used to name the Essex-Class carriers....

The Essex class was named after famous battles and ships.  All carriers up until the JFK and the Nimitz class were named the same way.  The current trend of using presidents and politicians started with the FDR, Forrestal, JFK, and then the entire Nimitz class.  Is there a certain Essex name you don't recognize?  Several were renamed during construction to replace the early carriers that were lost in the opening battles; Lexington, Yorktown, Wasp, and Hornet.
Actually I was wondering about the USS BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, USS ORISKANY, USS RANDOLPH, USS BENNINGTON, USS HANCOCK.  Those aren't named after Presidents, I don't recognize the battles, and they weren't named after famous ships.  Now the CASABLANCA class CVEs do make sense in their naming logic.
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Weaver

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USS Pyke seems a good idea, since it combines the British inventor's name with the American suffix. It also has the deception advantage of sounding like "USS Pike", which someone intercepting comms might assume related to the American submarine. Then again, there's potential for confusion on the friendly side too: imagine the USS Pike getting the USS Pyke's delivery of cold weather clothing...... ;D
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seadude

Reprisal, Atlantis, Boreas, and Pyke, all seem pretty good. I might go with one of those. Anybody have suggestions for a letter/number prefix? CVBX would fit, but I'm not sure what number to give? I keep thinking 44 since there was no CVB-44 carrier built.
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tigercat

How about HMS Thor, fits with Mythical theme , connection to cultur of Ice and Snow plus tongue in cheek the biggest threat to the carrier is Thawing

Jschmus

Quote from: dragon on May 04, 2010, 11:58:28 PM
Quote from: Cliffy B on May 04, 2010, 11:08:23 PM
Quote from: dragon on May 04, 2010, 10:09:57 PM
The ship in question is really (for all intents and purposes) an aircraft carrier on steroids.
In the US Navy that type of vessels has been named for Presidents, Famous US Navy vessels, Battles.  By the same token I am not sure what logic was used to name the Essex-Class carriers....

The Essex class was named after famous battles and ships.  All carriers up until the JFK and the Nimitz class were named the same way.  The current trend of using presidents and politicians started with the FDR, Forrestal, JFK, and then the entire Nimitz class.  Is there a certain Essex name you don't recognize?  Several were renamed during construction to replace the early carriers that were lost in the opening battles; Lexington, Yorktown, Wasp, and Hornet.
Actually I was wondering about the USS BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, USS ORISKANY, USS RANDOLPH, USS BENNINGTON, USS HANCOCK.  Those aren't named after Presidents, I don't recognize the battles, and they weren't named after famous ships.  Now the CASABLANCA class CVEs do make sense in their naming logic.

Benjamin Franklin is a no-brainer.  The Randolph was named for Peyton Randolph, President of the First Continental Congress.  The Hancock was named for John Hancock (who was President of the Second Continental Congress, and is known for his distinctive signature on the Declaration of Independence).  Oriskany and Bennington were battles in New York and Vermont during the American Revolution.
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Mossie

USS definately.  There where examples of ships that were multi national, I can think of at least one (name escapes me for the moment) American ship that was run by the RN & crewed by the RCN.  This had a HMS title.  I'm pretty sure that if the Americans were running the show, it'd have a USS title, even if it had an international compliment.

Name wise, there have been some good names suggested already.  I'll suggest a British style name, to go with the mixed origins of the vessel.  Invincible, Indomitable & Indefatigable would suit such a behemoth (another possible name).  None of these names were given to a RN vessel during WWII & I don't think any except Invincible (a WWI freighter) ever went to a US vessel.  Otherwise, some of the mythical names would work too.
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PR19_Kit

How about the USS Winston S Churchill?

A bit of US and a bit of Brit too........
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"USS Leviathan" was free in WWII. It was the name of a WWI troopship, but she was scrapped in 1938.
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