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Speaking of Gloster, what are they named now?

Started by Daryl J., February 11, 2009, 05:46:19 PM

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Daryl J.

In an alternate existance, the Gloster Meteor is brought back as a UAV to save airframe development costs.   But who have Gloster become in the current day or are they vanished?

TIA,
Daryl J.

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kitnut617

Well Gloster was part of the Hawker empire back during the war, it would have been Hawker Sidderley in later guise which in turn became BAe (I think  :huh:)
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Daryl J.

BAE exist still as aircraft manufacturers yes?


TIA again,
Daryl J.

Thorvic

Quote from: Daryl J. on February 11, 2009, 06:07:35 PM
BAE exist still as aircraft manufacturers yes?


TIA again,
Daryl J.

Yeap BAE Systems, partner in F-35, Typhoon and still building Hawks

Owners of most of the UK defence industry and has quite a share of the US buiness as Ant P will testify

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B777LR

Quote from: kitnut617 on February 11, 2009, 05:55:56 PM
Well Gloster was part of the Hawker empire back during the war, it would have been Hawker Sidderley in later guise which in turn became BAe (I think  :huh:)

Didn't Hawker Siddeley turn into Airbus UK?

Weaver

Quote from: B787 on February 12, 2009, 02:15:53 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on February 11, 2009, 05:55:56 PM
Well Gloster was part of the Hawker empire back during the war, it would have been Hawker Sidderley in later guise which in turn became BAe (I think  :huh:)

Didn't Hawker Siddeley turn into Airbus UK?

Not directly. Almost every big UK aerospace company merged into either BAC or the Hawker Siddley group in the early 1960s under government pressure (Handley Page stayed independent, got no orders and went bump in about 1971?). Hawker Siddley was the UK partner in the studies that led to Airbus, but Airbus didn't "own" it's national contributors: they were effectively private sub-contractors to a sales and marketing company. In fact, the UK government pulled out of Airbus at this stage, so Hawker Siddley were an entirely private sub-contractor to the project.

Then in the late 1970s, Hawker Siddley merged with BAC to become British Aerospace, which later became BAe Systems. British Aerospace took a 20% share in Airbus, but the actual sites are Filton (ex-Bristol) and Broughton (Chester - ex English Electric?).

So Hawker Siddley didn't turn into Airbus UK, because "Airbus UK" didn't exist as an entity until after Hawker Siddley didn't any more. Hawker Siddley were however, the principle UK contributors to Airbus in the days when it was an "international project" (like Jaguar or Tornado), before it became a "European company".
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jcf

Quote from: Weaver on February 12, 2009, 02:54:05 AM
British Aerospace took a 20% share in Airbus, but the actual sites are Filton (ex-Bristol) and Broughton (Chester - ex English Electric?).

BAE sold their shares to EADS in 2006, so the Airbus UK sites are no longer British owned.

Jon

Weaver

Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on February 12, 2009, 05:56:45 AM
Quote from: Weaver on February 12, 2009, 02:54:05 AM
British Aerospace took a 20% share in Airbus, but the actual sites are Filton (ex-Bristol) and Broughton (Chester - ex English Electric?).

BAE sold their shares to EADS in 2006, so the Airbus UK sites are no longer British owned.

Jon

Indeed, although I'm not clear on whether the UK sites are "owned" by Airbus or whether they're still "sub-contractors", owned by BAe who just don't hold shares in Airbus any more.
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jcf

Quote from: Weaver on February 12, 2009, 06:02:09 AM
Indeed, although I'm not clear on whether the UK sites are "owned" by Airbus or whether they're still "sub-contractors", owned by BAe who just don't hold shares in Airbus any more.

Wholly owned by Airbus:
http://www.airbus.com/en/worldwide/airbus_in_uk.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_UK

The first successful invasion since 1066. ;)

Jon

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The Filton site, where the Brabazon and Concordes were built, is no longer owned by EADS, or any bit of Airbus any more, even though some of the equipment there is. The manufacturing site was sold to GKN some months ago, but still continues to make Airbus wing components as before.

So the 'invasion' was repulsed........ :)

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Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on February 12, 2009, 06:43:19 AM
The first successful invasion since 1066. ;)

Jon

Nah, not really. Danish bacon, pork and milk, and quite a few other dairy products have invaded england more than 50 years ago :thumbsup:  :lol: ;D

We also have a large percentage of the pharmaceutical market ;D And shipping :thumbsup: And windmills ;D And pumps (and just about everything else Danfoss is involved in) :wacko: And Therma now produces your flare pods for Harriers ;D


Weaver

Quote from: B787 on February 12, 2009, 01:01:10 PM
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on February 12, 2009, 06:43:19 AM
The first successful invasion since 1066. ;)

Jon

Nah, not really. Danish bacon, pork and milk, and quite a few other dairy products have invaded england more than 50 years ago :thumbsup:  :lol: ;D

We also have a large percentage of the pharmaceutical market ;D And shipping :thumbsup: And windmills ;D And pumps (and just about everything else Danfoss is involved in) :wacko: And Therma now produces your flare pods for Harriers ;D



Not to mention that shortly after I started going on a Danish-run military website, the British aerospace fasteners company I worked for got taken over by a Danish one and I ended up with Danish shares whose dividends are paid into a Danish bank account....

Bloody Vikings........... ;D :wacko:
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nev

Quote from: B787 on February 12, 2009, 01:01:10 PM
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on February 12, 2009, 06:43:19 AM
The first successful invasion since 1066. ;)

Jon

Nah, not really. Danish bacon, pork and milk, and quite a few other dairy products have invaded england more than 50 years ago :thumbsup:  :lol: ;D

We also have a large percentage of the pharmaceutical market ;D And shipping :thumbsup: And windmills ;D And pumps (and just about everything else Danfoss is involved in) :wacko: And Therma now produces your flare pods for Harriers ;D

Trust me, no you don't ;)  All the big Pharmaceutical sites in the UK are British, Swiss or (to a lesser extent) American.  And all the big drugs belong to them.
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