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GROUP BUILDS => The 2017 One Week Build => Topic started by: TheChronicOne on May 15, 2017, 01:21:18 pm

Title: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 15, 2017, 01:21:18 pm
 ;D

WITH.... TOP SECRET PAINT JOB!  To be revealed in closing hours of the build.  :lol:

OK, check this out.... I was looking through all my kits for something either bagged or missing decals or some other affliction when I found this poor decapitated feller:

(http://i.imgur.com/mkM34bB.jpg)


Found some decorations to make this stuff work:

(http://i.imgur.com/pUcVyq2.jpg)

Good to go!

OK, so, I have to come up with some bovine excrement to go with the plane and the paint job,  how it got where it is and came to look the way it does, and came up with a "Continental Gustav" theme. As a secondary sub theme and tie-in with another part of the story, also, the "Forgotten Gustav."  (this secondary theme will be explained at the same time as the paint job because it all ties in together.. it'll all make sense at that point... and "forgotten" will make sense and you'll see why it's important to the overall story! )

So, basically, in 1943 the Germans wanted some solid testing done on their tropical stuff and seeing how nothing like that environment was anywhere near Europe or N. Africa, they decided to "loan" some to Japan so they can use them in their conquest of SEA and adjoining area. Hot, humid, salt water all over the place, sand, and everything the glorious sub continent has to offer. Perfect place to test tropical equipment! 

Anyway... so a squadron of G6trops make their way from one side of Eurasia to the other only to have them all fall (in mint condition!!!) into the hands of the 14th Army (tie in). A bunch of Indian guys find the not all too well hidden airplanes and hand them over to the 3rd Tactical Air Force of the RAF SEACommand. 


This kit looks really easy to put together and that is what I wanted. I'm sure there'll be some sanding and stuff. I bet a great many of you have built this very kit in the past! I haven't built a 109 in 25 years. Not since I was about 10 years old when I built this one, and it was different company I do believe (came in a Testors boxing with 3 other WWII planes) :

(http://i.imgur.com/GlutJki.jpg)


Should be fun!



Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: zenrat on May 16, 2017, 02:31:54 am
Mould for that one dates back to 1956.  That version released in 1973.
I'm pretty sure i've built one at some stage back in the dim mists of antiquity as have most of us probably.
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 16, 2017, 04:20:51 am
Mould for that one dates back to 1956.  That version released in 1973.
I'm pretty sure i've built one at some stage back in the dim mists of antiquity as have most of us probably.


Wow, 1956 huh!!  Here's the thing, the plastic all looks molded really well, not a lot of flash... Ive been test fitting and sanding a bit and the stuff seems to go together well... should be a cakewalk.

Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 16, 2017, 04:28:49 am
OH BY THE WAY.... I know I can do this without but I imagine having access to the instructions for this could save me some time so if anyone has them scanned or knows where I can find them on the net, I'd appreciate it. I did a cursory web search yesterday but gave up a few minutes in as the research was far more interesting at the time.  ;D
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: zenrat on May 16, 2017, 04:41:21 am
Can't help you with that Brad C.  Sorry.  I only have the instructions from the newer version when they made a new tool.
Here's the original blister pack art though.
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/4/3/6/211436-13151-58-pristine.jpg)
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 16, 2017, 05:06:22 am
Can't help you with that Brad C.  Sorry.  I only have the instructions from the newer version when they made a new tool.
Here's the original blister pack art though.
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/4/3/6/211436-13151-58-pristine.jpg)

Oh man, that's lovely!! 

Not too miffed about the instructions... barring not finding the actual ones, I'll look around for a "review" or build page of the kit and follow along with that as I go.  Probably won't need any of it but it's still nice to have!
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: loupgarou on May 16, 2017, 05:28:08 am
Try a look here:
http://www.cavallar.ch/model/
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: NARSES2 on May 16, 2017, 06:12:52 am
Memories  ;D I built at least 10 of those when I discovered my first after market transfers (and they were called transfers back then) in BMW's in Wimbledon. My first purchases were a sheet of swastikas (which I still have and are still usable) and a couple of sheets for different countries 109's.
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: dwomby on May 16, 2017, 09:02:12 am
There are images of the instructions you want here: http://americanscalemodel.freeforums.org/airfix-1-72-bf-109g-blister-pack-t544.html (http://americanscalemodel.freeforums.org/airfix-1-72-bf-109g-blister-pack-t544.html)

David
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 16, 2017, 11:27:14 am
IIRC the original Airfix Me-109G came in a plastic bag with the instructions stapled to the top, like the J-EJ Spitfire IX. The bubble pack version came later on.
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 16, 2017, 12:06:23 pm
Try a look here:
http://www.cavallar.ch/model/

SUPERB!!! I love this site.  Bookmarked and was able to find the instructions in less than 3 minutes! 
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 16, 2017, 12:07:14 pm
There are images of the instructions you want here: http://americanscalemodel.freeforums.org/airfix-1-72-bf-109g-blister-pack-t544.html (http://americanscalemodel.freeforums.org/airfix-1-72-bf-109g-blister-pack-t544.html)

David
Glorrrrrious! Thank you! Perfect! Now I'm good to go!
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: Rick Lowe on May 16, 2017, 10:19:29 pm
The Airfix Tribute Forum also have a library of kit instructions... not just the Airfix stuff, either.

http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/viewforum.php?f=280
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: zenrat on May 17, 2017, 01:31:42 am
I'm sure you would have had no problems building it without the instructions Brad C.  Pretty much SOP for a kit of that age.

Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: NARSES2 on May 17, 2017, 06:01:44 am
IIRC the original Airfix Me-109G came in a plastic bag with the instructions stapled to the top, like the J-EJ Spitfire IX. The bubble pack version came later on.

Yup, and the plastic bag packed version was the one I had so many of  ;D Was never a fan of the bubble pack ones. Indeed not sure I ever had many. I was well into my wargamming phase by then
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 17, 2017, 09:14:28 am
I have a couple of the bagged ones! My Yak 9 or 7 or whatever it was in the last before last GB was one of them bagged kits with the stapled on header/instructions. I have a fROG D 520 hanging on the wall that is one of them. I think I like the blister packs better though, they're so neat!! I know a lot of folks collect those specifically and I wouldn't mind trying to get all of them myself. How cool would it be to have a peg board of them all (or the bagged ones!! ) on the wall.  I wonder how many of them Airfix made... hmmm... 
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: loupgarou on May 17, 2017, 02:54:36 pm
I have a couple of the bagged ones! My Yak 9 or 7 or whatever it was in the last before last GB was one of them bagged kits with the stapled on header/instructions. I have a fROG D 520 hanging on the wall that is one of them. I think I like the blister packs better though, they're so neat!! I know a lot of folks collect those specifically and I wouldn't mind trying to get all of them myself. How cool would it be to have a peg board of them all (or the bagged ones!! ) on the wall.  I wonder how many of them Airfix made... hmmm...

Be careful! That's a dangerous slide.  ;D
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: zenrat on May 17, 2017, 09:59:03 pm
I have a couple of the bagged ones! My Yak 9 or 7 or whatever it was in the last before last GB was one of them bagged kits with the stapled on header/instructions. I have a fROG D 520 hanging on the wall that is one of them. I think I like the blister packs better though, they're so neat!! I know a lot of folks collect those specifically and I wouldn't mind trying to get all of them myself. How cool would it be to have a peg board of them all (or the bagged ones!! ) on the wall.  I wonder how many of them Airfix made... hmmm...

Be careful! That's a dangerous slide.  ;D

Absolutely. Before you know it you'll be collecting instead of building.  Buying kits of aircraft you are not particularly keen on because of the cool box art and whacky fonts Hasegawa were using back in the late seventies/early eighties.  Oh hang on, thats me isn't it.  Bugger.
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: NARSES2 on May 18, 2017, 01:43:02 am
How cool would it be to have a peg board of them all (or the bagged ones!! ) on the wall.  I wonder how many of them Airfix made... hmmm... 

You'd need a big wall. Back then Airfix released at least 4 new kits a month and that's not counting things like 1/12 scale figures or railway stuff * etc ? When you actually think about what they were doing back then it's amazing.

* I've now got quite nostalgic about one of the larger steam engine loco's I built with my dad acting as consultant  ;D
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 18, 2017, 11:29:08 am

* I've now got quite nostalgic about one of the larger steam engine loco's I built with my dad acting as consultant  ;D


I've still got many of those in The Loft, and some of the Kitmaster ones as well, like the Garrett and the NYC Hudson, superb models for their age.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 18, 2017, 03:20:35 pm
I have a couple of the bagged ones! My Yak 9 or 7 or whatever it was in the last before last GB was one of them bagged kits with the stapled on header/instructions. I have a fROG D 520 hanging on the wall that is one of them. I think I like the blister packs better though, they're so neat!! I know a lot of folks collect those specifically and I wouldn't mind trying to get all of them myself. How cool would it be to have a peg board of them all (or the bagged ones!! ) on the wall.  I wonder how many of them Airfix made... hmmm...

Be careful! That's a dangerous slide.  ;D

Tell me 'bout it!! I've stopped myself on a few occasions from buying lots on ebay of them knowing full well it would turn into a full blown addiction! Which reminds me.. I need to stop by the Airfix Collectors' board and catch up. Browser went TU a while back and lost all me open tabs.. no tellin' the places I've forgotten and will never get back to.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 18, 2017, 03:22:51 pm
Update:

Trimmed, sanded, and filed all that I could. Now, nothing remains but to trim the transfers if I so desire. Otherwise, just waiting on the opening bell to get underway! This is good, though.... a decent half hours worth of work/test fitting out of the way.
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 28, 2017, 01:53:05 pm
Under way with the real deal now. Fuselage halves glued together, main wings halves glued together. I'm using a different glue now. I absolutely fell i love with the Testors applicator.... it's this tiny metal tube and man it's great but it was on what I call the "cold" glue that comes in the blue bottle. Takes longer to set up, etc. I bought 6 bottles of the "hot" though, the red stuff, really cheap (should be plenty to last at least 5 years or more at the rate I'm building!). The applicator tip is different but works just as well. It's plastic instead of the metal tube (Why is this?! Who knows... all other aspects are identical aside from the cap) and they were all manufactured in the same year, etc...   but anyway... it works just as well!!!  Man, this stuff gets the job done. It has a different smell and works much more rapidly.... this stuff is melting the plastic up nice and right and this should speed the process along which is important for a 1 week deadline (especially seeing as how I'm getting started a full day and a half late aside from my prep work.) 

Forgot to mention I washed the parts ahead of this....   

Anyway... after I let it set up awhile I'll glue the tail planes on the fuselage. In them mean time I suppose I can start painting things like the pilot, his seat, and other doo dads and maybe look to see what sub assemblies I can glue together. This thing is going to go fast I can already tell. The fit is nice and I did a lot of trimming and sanding before the build started so so far so good.

Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 28, 2017, 03:07:16 pm
What colors do I paint the pilot? Looking at pictures but I'm having a hard time telling if the flight uniforms are blue or some bluish grey or what?  RAF SEAC pilots in the SE Asia area...

I see different depictions... I'm seeing what looks like a dude dressed in brown stuff for probably high altitude cold weather stuff then I see fellers dressed up in like....   dress uniforms or something with yellow water gear...  uhhh...     Maybe someone could save me a bit of research. I'll let this marinate for awhile while I paint tires.  ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/rEE2xrS.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/iI9FqWQ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/wjvQ1yg.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/OMAu2XE.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/dNRfUoJ.jpg)


Maybe I just put the dog in the dogpit.... err.. cockpit and call it a day.   ;D







Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 28, 2017, 03:51:11 pm
And wheel wells!  Wheel wells, gear doors... what color should those be? This time I'm looking for the WWII Luftwaffe (I know, RAF pilots, Luftwaffe paint... it'll become obvious when I tell the story :D )  ... looking around I see other models and pictures with the stuff looking grey, but then I saw one model with them green kind of like how people used to (or still do) paint US Aircraft.    :unsure:

I'm admittedly being lazy here but I AM trying to my own research I just keep running into conflicting data and am trying to avoid going down the rabbit hole chasing each of these down. I know the folks around here a much more knowledgeable than I am and probably already know the answers so I'm thinking my greatest research asset are you all!

 
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: zenrat on May 29, 2017, 04:19:51 am
I use Vallejo Golden Olive for wheel wells and cockpits because I think its a really nice shade of green.
I occasionally put some Green Chromate over the top.
Unless its Russian and then I use a home made batch of Russian Interior teal.
However I don't really care if i'm inaccurate in these areas.

I like the idea of a Bf 109 flown by a Red Setter.

Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: Old Wombat on May 29, 2017, 04:52:10 am
WW2 RAF uniforms tended to be blue-grey, RAAF uniforms were more blue.

Bit of a discussion on Network54;
http://www.network54.com/Forum/180748/thread/1237914561/last-1238363348/view+entire+thread (http://www.network54.com/Forum/180748/thread/1237914561/last-1238363348/view+entire+thread)

Check the photo of the caps;
http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/cloth-headgear-western-allies/raf-raaf-fs-cap-colour-comparison-30069/ (http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/cloth-headgear-western-allies/raf-raaf-fs-cap-colour-comparison-30069/)

However, from memory, both the RAF & RAAF had khaki/sand coloured tropical uniforms.
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: NARSES2 on May 29, 2017, 06:23:08 am

I'm admittedly being lazy here but I AM trying to my own research I just keep running into conflicting data and am trying to avoid going down the rabbit hole chasing each of these down.

The joys of research  ;). Just when you think you've nailed something down  :banghead: There are very few definitives out there, and when there are, they can be time dependent/crucial.  :angel:

Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 29, 2017, 06:49:07 am

I'm admittedly being lazy here but I AM trying to my own research I just keep running into conflicting data and am trying to avoid going down the rabbit hole chasing each of these down.

The joys of research  ;). Just when you think you've nailed something down  :banghead: There are very few definitives out there, and when there are, they can be time dependent/crucial.  :angel:


This historical stuff is strange in some aspects. I was always of the mind that all this type of stuff was widely known, there were records, etc.  But I keep finding that things of this era could be not known at all. Now days you can guarantee that every little aspect of every piece of machinery is methodically categorized and recorded but when it comes to WWII  era and surrounding???  Like Japanese aircraft or the color of an Israeli CS199 people just have no idea sometimes. People can't even tell with some of the stuff they DO have information on.  "Was this the true shade of the paint or had the aircraft been sitting in the sun for 3 years and lightened it?"  It really amazes me how LITTLE we know about something that went down less than a century ago when these days I can tell you what Ralph in Nantucket ate for lunch on the 3rd of September, 2014.

Thanks for the info, folks!!!  I think what I'll do is add a wee bit of blue to my neutral grey and mix it up and use that. I haven't painted any pilots that color yet so this ought to be cool. I'll paint his floaty-save-life-thing yellow and his cap brown. Should work!!   (oh and going in green on the wheel wells and gear doors.. should look real nice with the color I have going on the bottom).
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: NARSES2 on May 29, 2017, 07:12:20 am
when these days I can tell you what Ralph in Nantucket ate for lunch on the 3rd of September, 2014.



But can you ?  ;)

All depends how well detailed Ralph's notes are. If he just jots down "ham and eggs" there are numerous interpretations and most will make their way onto the Net as the accurate interpretation  ;D

No statement survives the first retelling, and that's not taking the deliberate missinterpretations into account  :rolleyes:

Go with what your research suggests is correct. You at least have the research to back your interpretation up  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: zenrat on May 30, 2017, 01:10:17 am
What's going to happen is in 50 years time when Johnny Futuremodeller looks through the data sphere via his cerebral implant for information on what shade of teal the cockpit of the Soviet aircraft stationed in Syria in 2017 were he'll find endless selfies, pictures of food, complete geo-location data for something called a kardsian (whatever that is - it appears to be some sort of parasite) but no information on what he wants to know except a small photo from a Ukranian website showing one of Dizzy's builds (which is useless for research as they failed to attribute it to him and his originals were lost in the great datacrash of 2018).

Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: Rick Lowe on May 30, 2017, 01:25:30 am
Was going to say, if you're meaning the Pilot's Side Cap - or Peaked Officer's Cap - it should be the same colour as his uniform.
If you're talking about the leather Flying Helmet though, yeah - Brown.

Have fun with the build, it sounds interesting.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 30, 2017, 02:29:20 am
when these days I can tell you what Ralph in Nantucket ate for lunch on the 3rd of September, 2014.



But can you ?  ;)

All depends how well detailed Ralph's notes are. If he just jots down "ham and eggs" there are numerous interpretations and most will make their way onto the Net as the accurate interpretation  ;D

No statement survives the first retelling, and that's not taking the deliberate missinterpretations into account  :rolleyes:

Go with what your research suggests is correct. You at least have the research to back your interpretation up  :thumbsup:

Ahh yeah!! I see what you mean!   Fascinating to think about it that way. I guarantee you so many things we think of as solid about world history are probably straight up milarkey. 

Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 30, 2017, 02:31:09 am
What's going to happen is in 50 years time when Johnny Futuremodeller looks through the data sphere via his cerebral implant for information on what shade of teal the cockpit of the Soviet aircraft stationed in Syria in 2017 were he'll find endless selfies, pictures of food, complete geo-location data for something called a kardsian (whatever that is - it appears to be some sort of parasite) but no information on what he wants to know except a small photo from a Ukranian website showing one of Dizzy's builds (which is useless for research as they failed to attribute it to him and his originals were lost in the great datacrash of 2018).


;D ;D ;D
 :laugh:


Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: Rick Lowe on May 30, 2017, 02:32:58 am
when these days I can tell you what Ralph in Nantucket ate for lunch on the 3rd of September, 2014.



But can you ?  ;)

All depends how well detailed Ralph's notes are. If he just jots down "ham and eggs" there are numerous interpretations and most will make their way onto the Net as the accurate interpretation  ;D

No statement survives the first retelling, and that's not taking the deliberate missinterpretations into account  :rolleyes:

Go with what your research suggests is correct. You at least have the research to back your interpretation up  :thumbsup:

Ahh yeah!! I see what you mean!   Fascinating to think about it that way. I guarantee you so many things we think of as solid about world history are probably straight up milarkey.

And, indeed, many of the things we 'know' about the world as it is now, in our own time...  :o
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 30, 2017, 02:33:03 am
Was going to say, if you're meaning the Pilot's Side Cap - or Peaked Officer's Cap - it should be the same colour as his uniform.
If you're talking about the leather Flying Helmet though, yeah - Brown.

Have fun with the build, it sounds interesting.  :thumbsup:
Yeah, the flight leather thingy. lol   I may have been slightly in a haze yesterday morning. I was thinking "skull cap" so went with it.   I had half a mind to throw the pilot and seat into the stash and not do anything to the interior seeing as how the pilot and seat are ...... 100% of the contents...  I guess I'll paint some instruments in there and the side walls, etc, but not a whole lot of detail going on. 
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: Rick Lowe on May 30, 2017, 02:35:50 am
There are some (ok, many) Rude and Unkind people who would - and do - say I spend most of my life wandering around in a daze... Hurtful Rotters!
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: zenrat on May 30, 2017, 02:42:56 am
 Ah, happy daze...  :mellow:

I find drawing instruments on with a sharp pencil is easier than painting them.  Paint the panels the appropriate colour and draw some dials etc.  On the sort of kits I usually build the thickness of the canopy prevents a good view of this area anyway.

Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: Rick Lowe on May 30, 2017, 02:44:58 am
Yeah, a pencil or a fine-pointed marker pen. Gives a lot more control too.

Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: Old Wombat on May 30, 2017, 02:53:39 am
BTW, the yellow-life-savey-thing is called a Mae West (colloquially)

(https://dorothyanneb.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/original.jpg)

From the wiki-thingy;
Quote
Mae West

The Mae West was a common nickname for the first inflatable life preserver, which was invented in 1928 by Peter Markus (18851974) (US Patent 1694714), with his subsequent improvements in 1930 and 1931. The nickname originated because someone wearing the inflated life preserver often appeared to be as large-breasted as the actress Mae West. It was popular during the Second World War with U.S. Army Air Forces and Royal Air Force servicemen, who were issued inflatable Mae Wests as part of their flight gear. Air crew members whose lives were saved by use of the Mae West (and other personal flotation devices) were eligible for membership in the Goldfish Club.
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 30, 2017, 07:16:29 am
Ahhh yes!! I forgot allll about that!  That's always been one of the funnier, to me, tidbits about that time period.


Those quotes are something else!!!!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: DogfighterZen on May 30, 2017, 08:02:32 am
I'm really enjoying this thread, lmao just reading through the comments, and the modelling project is interesting, too!  ;D

 :cheers:
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 30, 2017, 08:16:00 am
A barrel of laughs from a barrel of monkies!!!!    :wub: ;D ;D


OH YEAH, the model... uhhh.... it's uhhh......  I think I'll file and sand some stuff on it today. I'm trying to get some outside work done while it's still relatively cool out then I think I 'll spend the rest of the day model building!    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: DogfighterZen on May 30, 2017, 08:18:53 am
OH YEAH, the model... uhhh.... it's uhhh......  I think I'll file and sand some stuff on it today. I'm trying to get some outside work done while it's still relatively cool out then I think I 'll spend the rest of the day model building!    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 ;D Same here!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 01, 2017, 03:25:38 pm
Getting there! Gear, gear doors, prop, spinner, are all painted. 90% of body work is done to the fuselage. I need to take a file and sandpaper to the wings then I suppose I can glue them on. The tail planes, too.

I feel like I'm getting behind already. I think I'll keep working for awhile to help with this feeling.   ;)
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 03, 2017, 03:51:08 am
Only you people and our GBs would have me up at 5:30 in the morning painting on a tiny airplane...



Anyway.  I've decided to cut out all kinds of steps I was going to take on this thing. Should save time and I should be able to handle it. I have a billion different colors and patterns going on but I'm not going to bother masking any of it. I'm going to try to get the paint job 100% done today. I can go all the way with it, almost, then I have to stop, put on the transfers, then I have to go back to  painting. I don't want any weird discoloration under the transfers and also it need to look like certain things were painted at certain times so... yeah.

Sorry, no pictures or this mess. It's going to be a surprise and I'm trying to save time here...
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 03, 2017, 07:18:11 am
It's all good fun, ain't it?   ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 03, 2017, 10:52:01 am
Wouldn't trade it for all the tea in China!!   Eating lunch right now but I can' wait to get back to work on this lil felller. I have the base coat down, now I get to paint a couple hilights, then the underside color, then it's time for gloss so I can start decalling this thing. I've  never done one like this before...(in this order)  not only that, but the paint job has never been attempted before either... I did something sort of similar decades ago but It's not the same.  Not sure how it's going to turn out.... 

Still need to get teh canopy and windscreen painted, as well...  All the other lil doo dads are already painted I think. Not much left to do really. 

Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 03, 2017, 03:35:25 pm
Oh man... of all days to get the shakes.  :rolleyes:   Too much coffee this morning I suppose then the withdrawals. I usually luck out with a steady hand when I get to painting but not today!! I'm trying my best though. I think I have things mainly under control. No masking, mind you, so I wish like hell the shakes arrived some other day but....   I think I have the glass work all done... looks pretty good! Some frame work is a bit too thick, some a tiny bit too thin.. but it's nice and straight and looks great at arms length so I'm stopping now before I "study long and study wrong" and mess it up. You know what they say, "If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is... "  .. .. . well, we'll be having none of the crap, sir.   ;D

I'm not sure yet what to think of this.... I'm not totally finished with the paint but I'm close enough now I can sort of see the end product. I'm almost at the "clean slate" stage... where the paint, if you wanted, could be called done; it's just sans things like a camo pattern or any markings what so ever --a "blank" but painted aircraft. I always love taking a few pictures of 'em at this stage because they look neat and will never be that way again. This is also usually the point where I can pretty much tell whether a paint scheme will work or not but like I said, not seeing it quite yet but I think I'm going in a good direction.   I sort of wished I had tried a couple things on my test bed but a little late for that.. (Im still not 100% locked in on the uhh... major aspect of the paint job and/or how to apply it or even the over all intention of it.... )   :thumbsup:



 

Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 03, 2017, 04:34:03 pm
Not going super detailed..... but here's finally something I can show! My Lil Buddy.   :laugh:

Painted him grey, brown and "spun sugar."  Painted the chair silver color.

(http://i.imgur.com/g812dVN.jpg)
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 03, 2017, 06:36:16 pm
Good God, I said earlier something about not much else needing done, won't take much time, etc, but I've been working on this for about 5 or so hours!!! STILL thinking up things I've left to do.. like just now I realized I need to paint the exhaust!   :banghead: :banghead:

I need to implement Chris's note taking process sooner than later. I used to be able to rely upon my memory but no longer!!

Holy crap, though, I think once I do that, I can finally hit it with gloss and do the transfers???   I'm spent.. I'd like to continue tonight but I don't have it in me. I'll just have to make a final hour push, as with the last two GBs, and work the final minutes tomorrow....  :rolleyes: :rolleyes:   

EDIT: YUUUUP, as always.. I just now remembered: I have to glue on the gun pods and external fuel tank. There is now paint in the equation so I may have to dry fit, then PSR, (like I had to do with the canopy! It WAS snug and glorious, then I painted  ;D )
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: strobez on June 03, 2017, 06:46:25 pm
Just hang in there.  One thing about a 1-week build is it forces an economy of motion. I hadn't really though about it until I read your post here, but I think to save time I'm going to do the camouflage on my G.91 freehand (first time!).

Not sure how it's going to turn out, but it is what it is I guess.

I'll be at this right up until the last second too, I'm sure.
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 03, 2017, 06:51:46 pm
Just hang in there.  One thing about a 1-week build is it forces an economy of motion. I hadn't really though about it until I read your post here, but I think to save time I'm going to do the camouflage on my G.91 freehand (first time!).

Not sure how it's going to turn out, but it is what it is I guess.

I'll be at this right up until the last second too, I'm sure.

Man, I like that, ... "economy of motion."  Very true.  I've definitely picked up a couple habits/tips for getting things done in a hurry and it also helps to prioritize certain things that might not necessarily need be done, depending. For instance... most of the seam along the belly I fixed up nice, but the section around the fuel tank and wing roots is a disaster, but, it'll never be seen, really, so it stays.

I was going to stop and play Warthunder but I was less into that than anything then all of a sudden I felt like continuing on my model..   :o ;D ;D ;D

So... going to glue on the wing gun pods and fuel tank... may take some sanding a bit because of paint..
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 03, 2017, 07:42:23 pm
I can't win, I swear!  ;D ;D   So it's about 9:15 PM and I decide to gloss coat my glorious lil Gustav. Hey! Luck be a lady, tonight, the wind isn't 50 billion miles per hour, like usual in Oklahoma, must be great weather to spray!  So, I hang my plane outside on the front porch and get to spraying.. shook the can for about 3X required time, made sure to hold it the proper distance away from the subject, then.......  spray spray... but,.... oh no!! The wind is SO dead that a big assed cumulous cloud of gloss clear just HUNG in the sky for like 2 minutes!! Just all around my Gustav like that dirt cloud around Pig Pen on Charlie Brown!! 

OH WELL.. Orange peel all over the place, but, that said, I think it looks AWESOME! lmao   Still looks good to me, so, onward.. I plan to finish it off with a coat or two of satin clear so hopefully that will help smooth things out. 

 Any how, all that lacks gluing are the main gear to the main wheels, then gluing them to the wings, and also the tail wheel... I save that for last. I should have saved the gun pods and drop tank for last, too, but I'm going to risk those, this time, because the attach points are more sturdy and if I DO break the gun barrels off, I can put them back easily whereas I find gear breaking off become more janky each time.

Tomorrow morning will be decals then the next phase of paint!  Then, the gear, then the satin coat. (or maybe another gloss to help the peel, then satin??? someone who has tried this type of milarkey before maybe can offer advice... keeping in mind working with what I have on hand and the time constraints... for example.. does anothe gloss coat over orange peel help it any? ) 
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 03, 2017, 09:51:31 pm
 :o Never had the orange peel effect so i can't help with that... maybe sanding it smooth with some micro mesh or some fine-grit sandpaper but i guess it's too late for that now, right?
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: zenrat on June 04, 2017, 03:43:27 am
Gloss over orange peel won't help it but satin clear should unless its really bad.
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 04, 2017, 08:24:59 am
It's not bad, and, considering the paint job, you can't even tell it's there. Once I hit it with the satin I think it'llbe just fine. And... oh man!! The paint scheme is working!!! It looks like a million bucks. I'm not one to brag, but I'm really happy with this one.  :laugh: :laugh:

Anyway... almost done. Maybe another hour to go. Should be finished by lunch then I can play video games all day. Going to try out No Man's Sky.
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 04, 2017, 09:44:07 am
99% done!  I just need to glue on the canopy (going to use white paint this time), put a speck sized piece of black paint on the tip of the gun barrels, cut and paint, then attach the aerial wire then I'm all done!
 :laugh:
Title: Re: BF-109 G6 Trop, on loan to Japan, captured by 14th Army, given to RAF SEAC 3TAF
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 04, 2017, 11:03:27 am
I haven't ironed out the story .. it's about as basic as it was at the beginning of this thread, but kind of like this:  these Trops were loaned to Japan so they could be tested in the type of environment found in SE Asia and around the ocean and in jungles and rainy weather, blah blah blah. (I swear next time I'll write the story first  ;D ) So anyway.......  The planes were painted at various stages of their journey culminating in a final effort produced by the Germans, Japanese, and finally the 3rd RAF TAF after being captured in pristine un flown condition (gotta explain this lack of weathering and why they so fresh and so clean, clean) by the 14th Army (UK).   ~Fin~   Sorry, I had planned on a much more glorious story but I'm all out of time and don't really feel like messing with it. I'll just unload the airplane on yas and go from there. First, I took some intermediate pics at a couple stages that I thought were rather spiffy looking.

(http://i.imgur.com/XFm5DW3.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/J3ISsSU.jpg)

I was tempted to leave it white!!!!  But I had to press on. 

(http://i.imgur.com/KoLBZaO.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Frd1xta.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ttybbEJ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/paHRadR.jpg?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/tT0ctIO.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ngEC3ue.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/KBB8aVI.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/jwbLGAu.jpg)

This was fun build right here!  :laugh:



















Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: Old Wombat on June 04, 2017, 09:06:07 pm
Looks good, young fella! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Would've been great with 3 layers of camo & weathering showing patches of all of them (Brit on Japanese on German). ;D

Maybe next time? ;)
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 04, 2017, 09:23:37 pm
Wow! I like that very much!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Also liked it without the camo pattern but it looks terrific as is, i'd only leave the prop's spinner totally white or black but that's just my taste.  :cheers:
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on June 05, 2017, 12:52:10 am
That looks really different! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: zenrat on June 05, 2017, 02:09:31 am
Yowser!  Lots of little squiggles!

Looks great.  Excellent job there Brad C.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: AXU on June 05, 2017, 03:22:28 am
That looks really different! :thumbsup:
Agreed...and it's great  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 05, 2017, 04:07:18 am
Looks good, young fella! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Would've been great with 3 layers of camo & weathering showing patches of all of them (Brit on Japanese on German). ;D

Maybe next time? ;)

Yeah buddy, for the (longer than a week, whatever it may be) group build.  lol   Thanks!!
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 05, 2017, 04:09:50 am
Thanks everyone!!! 


I wrestled with the spinner... I remembered an Israeli 199 that was painted over all greenish tan color and the spinner and props even were also the same color instead of being different. I liked the way it looked and wanted to try it on something (making the spinner the same as the rest).  Of course, I drew the line at the props.  :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 05, 2017, 04:39:56 am
  ...Of course, I drew the line at the props.  :o ;D ;D
 
  ;D :cheers:
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: NARSES2 on June 05, 2017, 08:17:49 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: strobez on June 05, 2017, 08:21:13 am
Wow.  What a great build! Totally worth the surprise reveal!  How did you get all the squiggly lines done?  I was thinking about going that way (basically Italian WWII-like) but then opted for a more... blended camouflage motif.  Basically I just kept adding a colour everytime I goofed something up.  I think the final count was 4. :)
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 05, 2017, 09:07:20 am
Thanks, y'all!!

I just used one of my little fine tipped brushes. 5/0 (0/5? )  I think it was... and just painted 'em on by hand. The one thing to watch out for is what I call "creep". Kind of like, if you don't rest your hand ever so often while writing, and your penmanship gets worse as you go.....  same thing here... just have to make sure to take a break if things start to drift out of uniformity. It happens... some are splotches, some are a little bigger than others, and some are a little more faint.  But... yeah... just it all by hand. Took about and hour. It's surprisingly EASY, just can be a bit tedious.  I'd like to do it again someday.....  different colors, maybe add a third color for the squiggles or something..

Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: NARSES2 on June 06, 2017, 06:22:49 am
You have done well with that camouflage mate  :thumbsup: The trick when using a brush is getting the correct amount of paint on the brush tip at the right consistency. Neither to much nor to little. You've kept it about right, well done.
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: Librarian on June 06, 2017, 08:43:30 am
 :o

Keep coming back, going away and coming back. One of the purest whiffs I've ever seen...meds on stand-by... :wub:.

Keep thinking winter camo and Burma...snowball in Hell...it actually confuses and amazes. Kudos :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 06, 2017, 03:36:42 pm
You have done well with that camouflage mate  :thumbsup: The trick when using a brush is getting the correct amount of paint on the brush tip at the right consistency. Neither to much nor to little. You've kept it about right, well done.
Thanks, Chris!  I've learned a lot over the last year.   :lol:

Hell, the thought of painting ANYTHING with a brush turned me off ... I was all 'rattle can posse' back then... now...I prefer hairy stick over anything, hands down! I love it!! 

I've yet to try airbrushing but I could live without it at this point... (I COULD but I don't want to, I certainly want to learn it at some point).  But uhh.. yeah, the rattle cans are gathering quite a bit of dust these days.  ;D
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 06, 2017, 03:44:06 pm
:o

Keep coming back, going away and coming back. One of the purest whiffs I've ever seen...meds on stand-by... :wub:.

Keep thinking winter camo and Burma...snowball in Hell...it actually confuses and amazes. Kudos :thumbsup:.
Tremendously awesome words of support, thank you!!!

The weird paint.. WAS going to be part of the story I didn't get to.     Like... it was winter in Germany, and they had to store the planes outside for a bit, so the Germans painted them all white. BAM... Now, the Japanese get them delivered directly to SE Asia. Also have to store them outside... bummer, the things are white, stick out like crazy!! So, they had some green paint, but, not enough to cover the entire airframe, so, they went as far as they could with the squiggles. Well, even after this the Japanese still didn't want to be anywhere near all that white that remained, so they put the planes (or themselves) far away from each other to avoid being caught up in an attack together. Being as how no one was anywhere near them, the 14th Army merely strolled up and snagged 'em. Japanese hadn't even gotten around to painting the Hinamurus on yet...   Anyway, RAF now has 'em and merely had to paint on their roundels and numbers and junk and Voila.

A fish out of water!!   

Personally speaking, I absolutely love how it turned out...  I always like my own stuff, of course, but, man, I think I really nailed this as far as what *I* like personally.
 :lol:
   
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 06, 2017, 04:30:48 pm
Personally speaking, I absolutely love how it turned out...  I always like my own stuff, of course, but, man, I think I really nailed this as far as what *I* like personally.
 :lol:
   

That's a great backstory for an excellent result!:thumbsup:
It's good that you're achieving results that satisfy you, perfect motivation to keep building more and more! :cheers:
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 06, 2017, 06:02:02 pm
Personally speaking, I absolutely love how it turned out...  I always like my own stuff, of course, but, man, I think I really nailed this as far as what *I* like personally.
 :lol:
   

That's a great backstory for an excellent result!:thumbsup:
It's good that you're achieving results that satisfy you, perfect motivation to keep building more and more! :cheers:
Thanks, brotha!!  I really ought to refine and make a "legit" story but that stuff takes a few hours.. (for me anyway.) 

Good thing is, I've told enough that I think everyone gets the idea. This thing was sort of like "hot potato" which was part of the "forgotten Gustav" theme I was aiming for. It's like people couldn't be bothered with these planes... Germans were like, "nah, we have other things to do, just paint 'em white and throw 'em outside."  Then, the Japanese are like, "Nah, we tried to make 'em green like all these trees and plants and stuff around here but we ran out of paint, let's put them way over here so we don't get bombed."  Then the 14th army is traipsing around, "oh wow where the hell did these oddly painted half white Nazi planes come from?!?!" 
 :o

And yes sir.. builds like these really do have one feeling enthusiastic about the next!  It's one thing to imagine, it's another to produce a physical copy of said imagination. And then when it comes out better than expected?! Oh man..   :wub: :wub:  "Seeing is believing."
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: Captain Canada on June 07, 2017, 05:45:15 am
Did look pretty good in all white eh ! Turned out great. I like the upside-down pic, looks like its glued to the ceiling !

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 07, 2017, 11:55:27 am
Did look pretty good in all white eh ! Turned out great. I like the upside-down pic, looks like its glued to the ceiling !

 :thumbsup:
The glorious features of Imgur.  ;D ;D

Thanks, dude!  :lol:
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: Rick Lowe on June 17, 2017, 02:45:37 pm
Just back and found this lil beauty - came out nicely, well done.
Title: Re: (DONE, PICS Pg. 4) BF-109 G6 Trop.
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 17, 2017, 06:15:37 pm
Just back and found this lil beauty - came out nicely, well done.
Thanks, Rick!!  I'm glad you like... you helped boost my ego this evening.  ;D ;D   Been having a rough day/week and it's so nice to come here and get some GOOD news for a change! So, not just my ego and inflatable head, but my mood is improved as well!   :lol: :lol: 

There's something to be said about just "going for the gusto" and avoiding the whole "study long, study wrong" stuff. Totally looking forward to the next years one week group build.