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Title: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 29, 2012, 10:00:32 am
An odd title for sure, but I'm building a C-130J-30 stock but in a non-RW colour scheme.

I do quite a bit of Flight Simulator 'flying', FS9 in my case, with a small Virtual Airline called 'The Albion Group of Airlines'. We run like a present day version of Air America but based in UK with strong links to the MoD and the RAF.  ;D

Sadly one of our founder members, Dave Osborne, died suddenly a month or two ago and the rest of the Albion crew decided we'd like to present Dave's widow with a model of one of his favourite Albion aircraft as his Albion flying was a big part of his life and she supported him in that. As the resident Albion model maker it fell to me to select and build the model, and I've already done a couple of Albion models in 1/144 scale, but Dave's favourite was our C-130J-30 and doing one of them in 1/144 would have been an expensive operation as the only 1/144 fuselage conversion for a -30 costs over 40, and in any case Dave liked things BIG, so 1/72 it was.

Our own Howard of Effingham sold me an Italeri 1/72 C-130J at the recent Coventry show at a VERY good price (thanks again Howard  :thumbsup:) and I bought the Flightpath resin conversion set for the fuselage extension, plus some Eduard frets to tart it up a bit. So this week I started the build, and I'll do my usual report on progress on here, even though it could take a while as I have to do ALL the decals for the model, even though I can use the textures from our FS model as masters.

Here's what it's going to look like when it's finished, well I HOPE it will anyway.

(http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/8133/sherkfs9.jpg)

So far I've done the basic assembly, wings, tail, wing tanks, cockpit and nose gear bay etc. but the major work was extending the fuselage. Firstly, the basic kit isn't a C-130J, it's a C-130H with a 'J' conversion kit supplied, so there's quite a few spare parts going to be left over. Sadly Italeri do not show the extra sprues for the 'J' in the instructions, so construction is a tad confusing at times. The kit does come with a superb booklet full of photos of various 'Js' from different Air Forces, which will be handy at the detail stage.

The Flightpath conversion is not that easy to use, even though they give you a cutting diagram to show where the two different extensions fit. The extensions have ridges moulded into them which should help in locating them to the styrene fuselage parts but the ridges are smaller than the thickness of the fuselage halves so quite a bit of grinding and filing is needed. The forward extension isn't too bad, but the aft one will need LOTS of PSR work later on, and quite a chunk of the underside needs to be ground off where it abuts the rear ramp door.

Here's the build pic so far, more later.

(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7194/herkbuilda.jpg)
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: kitnut617 on June 29, 2012, 11:07:35 am
How do the plugs fit Kit ? I've got the conversions too because I'm planning on my RCAF ones just like that.
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 29, 2012, 12:51:29 pm
Not well Robert, but it's the only game in town.

The aft one is by far the worse as it protrudes below the bottom of the fuselage when the top is aligned, and that will need some serious filing and PSR. In addition the plugs seem to have been made for the old Airfix kit as all four of them have a slight 'chine' at around the 5 o'clock - 7 o'clock position which makes a noticeable hard edge. The Italeri kit doesn't have that 'chine' so there'll be some MORE PSR required.

The instructions indicate that some mods will be needed where the rear ramp fits against the aft plug but I'm some way from doing that yet as I'm adding the Eduard fret to the ramp, and that's MIND bogglingly complicated. In fact I don't think I'll do all of it as they want you to cut about 40 pieces of 0.8mm dia tubing to act as the rollers!

You can see the chine lines in the piccie above, and the bit that protrudes below the floor is also just visible. I'll post some larger piccies of those bit tomorrow.
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: kitnut617 on June 29, 2012, 01:00:33 pm
This might be of use Kit-

Found on

http://www.72scale.com/aircraft/Lockheed/C-130.htm

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Kit Review 
The Airfix kit, despite its age, has alot going for it. It has the best constant cross section on its fuselage, including the ridge at floor level. The empenage has the gentle taper of the real thing in plan view as it progresses towards the tailplane. Overall the Airfix fuselage is more accurate than the Italeri one, except for the cockpit roof. There are some areas where the tooling has disadvantages: the main wing fillet is not defined enough, nor is the seam where the sponsons join the fuselage underside. This tooling was originally offered as a C-130E, but was retooled to an AC-130 some years later by permanently altering the fuselage sponsons. Consequently, recent releases of the the C-130E/H type under the Airfix brand have been done so using the Italeri tooling.
The Italeri kit has better defined wing fillets, underside sponson seams, and front fuselage immediately above the cockpit, but the constant cross section fuselage behind is completely incorrect and lacks the ridge at floor level. The empenage tapers too severely in plan view as it meets the tailplane. The biggest problem of
  the Italeri tooling is the engine nacelles. They are the shorter versions associated with the Allison T-56-A-9 or -11 turboprop engines as used on the C-130A. C-130E/H aircraft carry the T-56-A-7 and -15 engine respectively, which requires a longer nacelle, so if you plan to model these variants you will need to obtain the nacelles offered by Flight Path or Ron's Resin.
All other parts of the kit appear to be of better accuracy than the Airfix/MPC kit, but this remains to be confirmed. The wing tanks may be of different sizes. The two kits appear to be similar in dimensions making cross-kitting relatively easy.

For the most accurate model, we recommend using the Airfix main fuselage, substituting a portion of the front for the section immediately behind the wing trailing edge. Blend this into the rear empenage as per the real thing. Use the Italeri wing roots and nose section with considerable modification. Build up ridge on rear empenage.
 
 
Kit Modifications Schematic

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Misc%20Photos/C-130diag.jpg)

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Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 29, 2012, 02:08:54 pm
Interesting that, it confirms what I thought about the initial tooling of the plugs.

Luckily my friend's widow isn't a JMN and I'm sure she'll be happy with my rendition of Dave's favourite Albion aircraft.

Of course as mine's a 'J' it has totally different engines anyway. Interesting that the current Airfix kit IS the Italeri moulding though, I never heard that before.
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: kitnut617 on June 29, 2012, 03:00:24 pm
My 1/72 C-130J is a Testors boxing Kit, which is an Italeri kit.  I've not seen an Italeri C-130E/H to check against the later Airfix kit which I have too. Got an original Airfix one as well.
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: McColm on June 30, 2012, 01:04:29 am
I've got an old Airfix kit, that I'm going to use as a base and add the wing section from an airfix Nimrod. Sort of jet-powered with the keel section from a Playfix Be-6. I did think of extending the fuselage, and also to shrink it. If I bought another Airfix C-130!!
I'll be watching this build with interest, great work!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 30, 2012, 07:09:19 am
Robert,

Here's a close-up of the aft plug joint issues. The instructions tell you to fill in below the styrene part of the floor so it mates up with the lower surface of the plug, but as it stands that's impossible as the lower part of the plug protrudes LOWER than the floor anyway. I've had to recut the joint, high-lighted in yellow, and I'll try and bend it upwards somewhat to fit a bit better.

I've also marked the position of the 'chine' in red.

(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/1141/herkbuildb.jpg)
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: kitnut617 on June 30, 2012, 09:04:26 am
Looks like I'll have to pay attention to your build Kit, see if I can learn some shortcuts
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: Tophe on June 30, 2012, 09:15:41 am
Congratulations, both for the built and for the intention (a gift to a widow)... :bow:
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 30, 2012, 09:18:30 am
On the port side I glued the top half of the plug to the centre portion of the fuselage and then bent the lower half in until the bottom of the plug lined up with the straight portion of the fuselage before glueing that. The inner edge now needs trimming to match the width of the fuselage and it'll need some styrene sheet laid over the portion by the door, but it should be OK eventually.

Basically this conversion is NOT designed for the Italeri kit, no matter what they say in the blurb.  :banghead:
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: Rheged on June 30, 2012, 09:33:40 am
Congratulations, both for the built and for the intention (a gift to a widow)... :bow:

I agree.  The build is fascinating, and the reason for  it is greatly to  the Albion  Airways  group's credit..........a  really  gentlemanly thing to do .

One of these days,  when you have time to  spare,  I'd be fascinated to read edited highlights from the backstory.  I wonder if  " Perfidious  Albion  PLC "  (see elsewhere)   might be permitted to  claim  some association with the backstory of this airline group,   please?          
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 30, 2012, 12:14:16 pm
Rheged, you wouldn't BELIEVE the backstory to the Albion Group if I told you!  ;D

We actually started off as the RAF(v), meaning 'Virtual' of course, back in the late 90s and the MoD banned us from using the title after we became large enough to be noticed! Nowdays there are more than one similar Virtual Armed Forces organisations but don't seem to get the hassle we did back then. Albion grew out of RAF(v) and we have a few oddities in our virtual fleet as a result, like the only civilian owned and operated Canberra PR9. Guess who flies that most often?  ;D
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: Rheged on June 30, 2012, 01:12:23 pm
Rheged, you wouldn't BELIEVE the backstory to the Albion Group if I told you!  ;D


Kit,   
Like the White Queen  in Alice in Wonderland, I can believe as many as 6 impossible things before breakfast.  I  could quite happily believe any  backstory that a whiffmeister such as yourself might choose to  vouchsafe.   Should you feel able to elucidate, I would  greatly enjoy your backstory thoughts should you care  to  display them .    Anyone who can produce the Meteor PR19  backstory  has a liiterary talent that deserves  publishing here .   

Suyitably pleading emoticon displayed at this juncture!!   
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: McColm on June 30, 2012, 04:15:27 pm
In hind-sight wouldn't it have been better to buy two C-130 kits from the same manufacturer. Then you could stretch one and shrink the other :banghead:
I'll leave this to the experts.
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 30, 2012, 04:33:24 pm
In theory, yes, but in practice it's not that easy, and I have time and budget restraints to think about........
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: Thorvic on June 30, 2012, 10:34:38 pm
In hind-sight wouldn't it have been better to buy two C-130 kits from the same manufacturer. Then you could stretch one and shrink the other :banghead:
I'll leave this to the experts.

Yeap the Italeri recent boxing included instructions for making the stretched C-130 using 2 kits, so Kit could make an extremely short Hercules with the rest of the other kit or fit the wings to a C-27J to make a longer span Spartan  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: McColm on June 30, 2012, 11:22:19 pm
 :cheers:
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 01, 2012, 01:24:28 am
Yeap the Italeri recent boxing included instructions for making the stretched C-130 using 2 kits, so Kit could make an extremely short Hercules with the rest of the other kit or fit the wings to a C-27J to make a longer span Spartan  :thumbsup:

It's a practical proposition for the forward plug, but it's not that easy for the aft one.

There just isn't enough fuselage length available for the aft plug unless you hack HUGE chunks of the aft wing fairing off, and that leaves socking great gaps in the upper part of the fuse. I dunno why Italeri ddin't do a straight C-130J-30 anyay, it would just have taken two new fuselage halves. Then you could have made any Herk by cross-kitting the 'H' and 'J-30' kits AND they would have sold more kits!
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: Gondor on July 01, 2012, 03:01:36 am
I agree with the above comments

Gondor
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: McColm on July 01, 2012, 10:56:37 am
So do I, you might want to invest in a 3D printer. :banghead:
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: Batman10 on July 01, 2012, 01:13:47 pm
This is a nice Gesture. Do you have accurate C 130 J engine nacelles?
Just wondering.
Batman
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: rickshaw on July 02, 2012, 05:46:21 am
This is a nice Gesture. Do you have accurate C 130 J engine nacelles?
Just wondering.
Batman

Ozmods in Australia have just released a new nacelles kits for the -J

(http://www.layuqwam.com.au/Ozmods/C-130J%20Parts%20small.jpg)
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 02, 2012, 06:12:38 am
Too late, mine are already in place. Isn't that always the way?

I'm less than keen on the prop blades being separate pieces either, the 'All-in-one' Italeri ones will do for me.

Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: kitnut617 on July 02, 2012, 10:24:51 am
Some time ago I bought Jennifer Wright's excellent engine nacelle and props replacement set, IIRC the Aviation Workshop took the moulds over a couple of years ago. Not sure what's happened to them now though, but the OzMod stuff looks just like it.
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: Martin H on July 02, 2012, 02:13:03 pm
Some time ago I bought Jennifer Wright's excellent engine nacelle and props replacement set, IIRC the Aviation Workshop took the moulds over a couple of years ago. Not sure what's happened to them now though, but the OzMod stuff looks just like it.

Like many of Aviation Workshop's pattern makers, Jen may well still owns the masters. Batches are probably cast to order.
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: Hobbes on July 03, 2012, 12:51:18 am
Rheged, you wouldn't BELIEVE the backstory to the Albion Group if I told you!  ;D

We actually started off as the RAF(v), meaning 'Virtual' of course, back in the late 90s and the MoD banned us from using the title after we became large enough to be noticed! Nowdays there are more than one similar Virtual Armed Forces organisations but don't seem to get the hassle we did back then. Albion grew out of RAF(v) and we have a few oddities in our virtual fleet as a result, like the only civilian owned and operated Canberra PR9. Guess who flies that most often?  ;D

Back in the late '90s, I joined a group named the RVAF. I set up the European branch, which led to the roundel I still use as my avatar picture.
Of course there were only a handful of us, so we stayed undetected by the RAF...
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 03, 2012, 03:46:43 am
There's a very thriving Virtual Dutch Air Force flying right now, and they're actually sponsored by the REAL Dutch Air Force, who see them as a recruitment aid. They have a permanent display at the Museum at Soesterborg (or however you spell it....) and display en masse at the FS weekend at Lelystad.

I'm a sort of honorary member of the VRNLAF, and have my own badge for my flying overalls.  ;D
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 03, 2012, 08:10:14 am
I've finally fought the Flightpath resin bits into some sort of submission, managing  to get the styrene and resin to match where they touch, which isn't often! Lots of PSR will be needed, not to mention having to sheath the rear resin plugs at least in some styrene strip to bring them into line with the Italeri fuselage.

I abandoned the idea of leaving the port para-door open as the interior would then be visible and the resin plugs have no interior detail at all. It should also make the matching of the aft plug easier as I'll have an outline to work to. See the second piccie here for the HUGE gaps between the doors and the aft plug.

As the Italeri kit is an early rendition it has raised panel lines, but the plugs have none, and as the main thing about the model will be its colour scheme I sanded all the panel lines off the entire airframe. What a PAIN that is, time consuming and utterly boring on a model this size.  :banghead: :banghead:

I've also extended the cargo floor as it helps locate various other bits inside and I'm working on the cockpit at present.

(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/271/herkbuildc.jpg)

(http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/406/herkbuildd.jpg)
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: Old Wombat on July 03, 2012, 08:24:26 am
You sure this is a hobby & not an obsession, Kit? :blink:

I thought hobbies were meant to be enjoyable..... That doesn't look enjoyable! :-\

 :cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: McColm on July 03, 2012, 09:36:09 am
I'm sure I've seen a Herk on YouTube fitted with RATO/JATO packs in an attempt to build a V/STOL version. This ended in failure as one of the forward packs misfired causing a fire in the cockpit and the fuel tanks to exploded.
Just a thought.
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 03, 2012, 10:10:26 am
You sure this is a hobby & not an obsession, Kit? :blink:

I thought hobbies were meant to be enjoyable..... That doesn't look enjoyable! :-\

You could well be right, only the thought that this model will commemorate Dave on his widow's sideboard  keeps me going. A labour of love it definitely ISN'T!

As for VSTOL Herks, I think that's exactly the one that Batman10 is building and is pictured in the 'normal' C-130 thread.
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 04, 2012, 02:58:00 am
I've taped the Herk up as a full assembly today as we're off to see the guy who's done the case for it and he needs to know if it's going to fit of course!

The wings and tailplanes are fully glued together now, and sanded smooth too. The engines will need some PSR as there's quite a ridge between the nacelles and the wing fairing, but nothing too serious. The port tail section is now glued in place, but the port centre section and nose await me finishing  the cockpit and cargo floor before I can glue them in place. THEN I have to start on the mammoth PSR session to fair in the plugs!  :banghead:

I've fitted the upper cargo door in its retracted position and the lower door now has it's etched overlay in place, but I'm darned if I'm going to put the roller conveyor things on as well, life's too short!

(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2214/herkbuilde.jpg)

(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/6691/herkbuildf.jpg)
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: McColm on July 04, 2012, 09:05:16 am
Wow!!
If my planned Nimrod wing amphibious C-130K (old Airfix kit with Blood Hound missile and LandRover) turns out that good before painting, I'll be really chuffed to bits.
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: chrisonord on July 10, 2012, 04:25:44 pm
JUst been reading through this Kit, very interesting and ambitious build you have here. COOL  :thumbsup:
Chris
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 11, 2012, 02:14:30 am
This has been rather a frustrating week as there's so much work to be done on the Herk before I can glue the fuselage bits together before I can get started on recovering the shambles that the Flightpath plugs have left me. I've got all the PSR work on the wings/engines and tailplanes done and they're ready for primer now. The cockpit interior is finally sorted, but I have NO idea why anyone sells the super-detail etches for this as almost NONE of it is visible through the narrow slot of windscreen! I've left most of the set I bought off the model, but I did apply the rear ramp etched parts, and they look pretty good. The cargo floor extension is sorted but needs some paint and the interior is now all painted, at least in one colour anyway.

Oh yes, I modfied the nose gear attachment points so I can install the leg AFTER I've put the fuselage together. It's just stupid to try and build the rest of the model with the gear leg sticking out, it's BOUND to snap off at some stage!

As it needs NOT to be a tail sitter I've added some serious nose weight by using my fave lead shot/resin mix to either 'cheek' of the cockpit interior and I'll also add some more in the radome once the cockpit is in place. All the umpteen windows are now in place too, and by this evening we should at LAST be ready to button up the fuselage, or at least some of it.

(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7389/herkbuildh.jpg)

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8256/herkbuildi.jpg)

(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5571/herkbuildj.jpg)

(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3092/herkbuildk.jpg)
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: McColm on July 12, 2012, 07:05:28 am
I've often aired my opinion about cockpit detailing you can't see, especially on the Airfix Nimrod. I'm glad someone agrees with me. 
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: NARSES2 on July 12, 2012, 07:58:18 am
I've often aired my opinion about cockpit detailing you can't see, especially on the Airfix Nimrod. I'm glad someone agrees with me. 

After just watching all the etch disapear in my recent Dauntless build I agree with you as well. The seatbelts are cracking and you can see them but the rest of the set, well at least I know it looked good before it went in the fuselage and the canopy went on  :-\
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 12, 2012, 08:06:33 am
I suppose Eduard and their ilk are making a good living out of making and selling this stuff. While kit reviewers in magazines will INSIST on adding every possible add-on to their review kits I just wish they'd tell you which bits are visible and which aren't! The days of the transparent fuselage half are over by now and never lasted long anyway.

The Eduard cockpit interior for the Herk includes a box shaped panel that's TOTALLY enclosd by the plastic floor and walls. Why did they bother? So they could increase the price I bet.

To add a bit of 'realism' to the whole display I just got  a couple of other bits and pieces to place around the Herk, oddly enough both Flightpath products, but these are really good. One is their RAF Diorama set, with tow bars, fire extinguishers, parts crates, wheel chocks and 'Remove Before Flight' flags and the other is the Houchin starter wagon. Ok, so the Houchin is only used on Typhoons and Tornadoes but only you and I know that, right?

The models are great, but the price I paid direct from the manufacturer, INCLUDING the postage, was less than Big H's price without the postage!

I didn't know Lowestoft was in a different country, hmmmmm.....
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 12, 2012, 03:44:36 pm
The cockpit interior is installed and the extra nose weight in the radome has been poured and glued. Then I spent almost ALL day trying to get the blasted floor to fit!  :banghead:

To say it was a pain would be a monumental understatement but it is finally in place and the rear end just needs a bit of trimming, but I think it's OK to add the port fuselage side in the morning now. You can't see them in the piccie but there's 3-4 packing pieces to space the floor clear of the fuselage bottom, each one needed to be a DIFFERENT thickness of course.  :o

The two Flightpath accessory sets are shown below in the 'progress shot.

(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3111/herkbuildl.jpg)
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 14, 2012, 08:37:32 am
AT LAST I've got the fuselage fully assembled!  :cheers: :drink:

I have to say that even the Italeri bits don't actually fit very well and will need a bit of fettling, but hat all pails into insignificance beside the amount tof work that awaits me to fair the Flightpath resin bits into the Italeri styrene bits! I must have used half a bottle of gap filling superglue bonding the disparate parts together, but it's as strong as an ox now, and weighs about the same with all the nose weight I stuffed into it!

The forward three cargo hold windows are filled in as the Albion Herks don't have them installed, just in case you wondered.

And now starts the monumental PSR work...........  :banghead:

(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2079/herkbuildm.jpg)
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: Gondor on July 14, 2012, 12:28:29 pm
Looking good so far Kit. More power to your elbow, or rotary sander  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 14, 2012, 12:51:44 pm
Looking good so far Kit. More power to your elbow, or rotary sander  :thumbsup:

I'm starting to think in those terms too Alastair.  ;D

I've been trying to fit the windscreen for the last 45 mins, every time I get it in position the darn thing slides down INSIDE the cockpit! It then takes 10 mins of fiddling about to get it back out again before the next attempt. So far I've tried it four times, but I'm going to take a rest before the next one, or I may sling the thing out the window!
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: Gondor on July 14, 2012, 02:49:11 pm
I've been trying to fit the windscreen for the last 45 mins, every time I get it in position the darn thing slides down INSIDE the cockpit! It then takes 10 mins of fiddling about to get it back out again before the next attempt. So far I've tried it four times, but I'm going to take a rest before the next one, or I may sling the thing out the window!

How about creating a loop of tape on the outside of the glazing roughly in the shape of the Greek letter Omega where the flat bottom parts are the parts of the tape on the glazing with the upper loop the hand hold. You could fix pieces of tape vertically across the outside of the glazing as well so that when you have manoeuvred the part into position you can smooth down the overlapping parts of the tamp to hold the position. :blink:

Sounds more complex than it is to do..... I will see if I can fudge up a picture to show what I am thinking of.

Gondor
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: TallEng on July 14, 2012, 02:53:20 pm
How about a blob of blu-tack on the end of a Cocktail Stick?

Regatta
Keith(on Holiday ;D in Cornwall)
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 14, 2012, 04:26:26 pm
The darn thing's in place now gents, but thanks for the ideas anyway.

I used a cut down sticky pad on the end of an ice cream stick to stop it escaping, worked a treat.  :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: Captain Canada on August 18, 2012, 07:15:04 am
Wow...you sure are putting alot of work into this ! Looking good ! Nice to see a Herc build on the go. For such a widely used a/c, we don't see enough of them !

 :drink:
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 18, 2012, 07:26:54 am
Sadly I'm now behind schedule on the Herk, and I doubt I'll be able to right back on it as soon as I get home. I'll take advice from the medics on that of course.
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: Batman10 on March 13, 2017, 11:25:57 pm
The plugs are for the old airfix kit.
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 14, 2017, 05:06:52 am

The plugs are for the old airfix kit.


They were designed for the old Airfix kit, but Flightpath would have us believe that they also work on the Italeri one too.

They don't........

You'll have noticed that there's been a five year hiatus on this build for various reasons, not the least being that the intended recipient turned out not to be too keen on the idea.

But this week I'll be seeing my fellow conspirator in the scheme and we'll decide what's going to happen to the model, built or not.
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: Captain Canada on March 14, 2017, 07:39:21 am
Good luck at your meeting ! I'll throw my .2 cents in, you've come this far, fought this hard ( in between lay offs ) and it's nearing the end, so go for it !
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: zenrat on March 15, 2017, 03:15:23 am
I think the wings need to be longer... ;D
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 17, 2017, 12:52:58 am
As I'm on a 'Large Model' kick at the moment, I thought I'd haul out the 'Virtually Whiffed Herk' from its hiding place and see if it's worth carrying on with it. My fellow conspirator in the original scheme said he'd like to see it done eventually, even if it remained in my keeping, and I'm inclined to agree, so I'll continue with this one after the current two projects get done.

After examination it will still need a lot of work to fair the Flightpath bits into the Italeri fuselage, but I reckon I can do it. After all, I just did that blasted beaching trolley.  ;D

As luck would have it, some of the Eduard etch for the Herk's cargo floor will suit the weapon loading platform on the Monterey, result!  :thumbsup:

What with the Monterey, the Snoopy Too A400-M and now this Herk it looks like I'll DEFINITELY need some larger shelves before much longer!  :o
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: scooter on August 17, 2017, 02:47:51 am
What with the Monterey, the Snoopy Too A400-M and now this Herk it looks like I'll DEFINITELY need some larger shelves before much longer!  :o

I found the sides of Ikea's Billy-series of bookshelves (the tall ones) to be perfect wall shelves, with the right bracing.
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 17, 2017, 06:21:26 am
What with the Monterey, the Snoopy Too A400-M and now this Herk it looks like I'll DEFINITELY need some larger shelves before much longer!  :o

I found the sides of Ikea's Billy-series of bookshelves (the tall ones) to be perfect wall shelves, with the right bracing.


Thanks, I'll take a look at them. It's YEARS since I've been in an Ikea store, it'll be like going back in time.  ;D
Title: Re: A 'Virtually' Whiffed Herk
Post by: loupgarou on August 17, 2017, 02:31:05 pm
But the Ikea Billy are only 28 cm deep. Ikea stopped doing the 38 cm model at least 2 years ago (at least on the continent), too narrow for your planes.
And I think it would cost more than a plywood board cut to measure in a DIY store.
Here (I am in France at the moment) big DIY stores (like Leroy Merlin) have 200 x 40 or 50 cm boards, 2 cm thick,  for 10 euro or less. I used many of those for various shelves or work surfaces.
And NOT the dreadful material called Medium Density Board or similar, unnecessarily heavy.