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Title: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: G.Marcat on February 16, 2009, 02:28:28 pm
Hello from Italy.

In the beginning I  was interested to modify a F-104 adding to it parts taken from a F-16, but cutting here, glueing there at the end the project is gone in a totally different way.

This was the original image of the F-104X as it have could be (with the tail and some pieces not used later):

(http://modellismo.grazianomarcat.it/f104lungo/recent/f104lungotest.jpg)

work in progress:

(http://modellismo.grazianomarcat.it/f104lungo/recent/f104lungo-assembly.jpg)

(http://modellismo.grazianomarcat.it/f104lungo/recent/f104lungo-assembly-1.jpg)

And this is the F-104X as appear today, ever not completed but a decent point:

(http://modellismo.grazianomarcat.it/f104lungo/recent/f104lungo-primer-1.jpg)
(http://modellismo.grazianomarcat.it/f104lungo/recent/f104lungo-primer-2.jpg)

For the engine exhaust I'm changing idea and probably the current exhaust (a Tamiya's F-15 piece) will be replaced with the exhaust taken from an Hasegawa's F-16.

The cockpit interior is a mix of F-104 base with F-16's intruments.

The canopy is a F-104 piece polished in the way to let it look like a F-16 unit (no front frames).
The ejection seat is that of the F-16.
The wings are taken from the A-7 Corsair.
The T Tail is an ENLARGED version of the original because the original piece was too much little if compared with the enlarged shape of the F-104X.
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: John Howling Mouse on February 16, 2009, 03:33:43 pm
Wow, modelers in Italy are COOL!   This is exciting.  Ron: have you seen this yet?

You've found a good home here, G.Marcat.  Looking forward to more.   :thumbsup:

JHM    :cheers:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: Eddie M. on February 16, 2009, 04:13:23 pm
A very exciting design! It's always good to get new blood in the forum. Welcome aboard!! ;D
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: BlackOps on February 16, 2009, 04:28:50 pm
Gret looking modifications!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: sotoolslinger on February 16, 2009, 05:00:02 pm
Silly persons G.Markat is who I stole the idea for the Barracuda /Stickleback from. I think I put a link to his origonal thread Honey I shrunk the F-104 on my build thread.  ;D Glad to see you back G :wub: Much greatness there :thumbsup:
EDIT: yep I was right when I stole G.Markat's original idea I included a link ,see here
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,22304.0/highlight,f-416+barracuda.html
 ;D :wacko: :wub: :thumbsup: :party:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: cthulhu77 on February 17, 2009, 05:20:50 am
Very fantastic work !  It actually makes the Starfighter look fly-able.
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: ysi_maniac on February 17, 2009, 06:21:20 am
Promising indeed :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: lancer on February 17, 2009, 02:07:44 pm
Now everybody on here knows how much I hate the F104. BUT, theres always a but isn't there?, I do LIKE the look of this beastie. She looks sleek and elegant and RIGHT!!!
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: G.Marcat on April 02, 2009, 02:30:01 pm
UPDATE:

Finally decided which camouflage to apply and finally begin to paint it.

Here are some photos.

The base color is SAND and in the next days will aplly the remaining camo

(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/f104sand1.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/f104sand2.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/f104sand3.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/f104sand4.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/f104sand5.jpg)
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: sotoolslinger on April 02, 2009, 02:41:42 pm
Wow  :o that is turning out slick :wub: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: The Rat on April 02, 2009, 03:27:52 pm
I'm getting those tingles again...  :blink:

This has got to be one of the coolest looking aircraft I've seen in a while, absolutely sexy!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: tigercat2 on April 03, 2009, 08:38:01 am
Great idea!!  With the swept wings and tip tanks, it looks sort of like a developed version of the F-90, with area rule.


Wes W.
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: G.Marcat on April 15, 2009, 02:41:48 pm
I'm doing a battle :tank:  trying to apply decently the camouflage made by the green smoke rings on the sand base.

At today this is the work done:

(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/150409/M/f104-sand-1.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/150409/M/f104-sand-2.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/150409/M/f104-sand-3.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/150409/M/f104-sand-4.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/150409/M/f104-sand-5.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/150409/M/f104-sand-6.jpg)

Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: Sisko on April 15, 2009, 03:18:51 pm

Wow vey nice conversion!!!!! :wub:

And I particularly love the retro camo scheme. :bow:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: G.Marcat on April 16, 2009, 06:06:55 am
Wow vey nice conversion!!!!! :wub: And I particularly love the retro camo scheme. :bow:

In the beginning the F-104 must have been painted as the first YF-16:  (http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/foto-varie/yf16-azure.jpg) White & Azure.
But I were looking for an out of ordinary scheme and the green smoke rings on sand is appeared more appealing.
I thought that the "amebes" scheme could be difficult to reproduce but the truth is even worse: a correct application of the smoke rings scheme requires a good hand and an excellent knowledge of the colours to use and how to mix them.

The result obtained from me is 1000 miles away to that I was interested to reach, but after several sessions of correction to the smoke rings this is the maximum I can obtain.
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: sotoolslinger on April 16, 2009, 06:31:52 am
Very coooool :mellow: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: G.Marcat on May 02, 2009, 02:45:25 pm
As usual,  going slowly I painted the undersurfaces in Isreaeli Blue FS-35352.

As usual, I discovered a miriad of little scratches and  holes on the painted surface so stopped all and, using the BONDO putty, I have recovered all those imperfections.

(http://digilander.libero.it/gmvenerabile/2009/model/f104long/ritocchi-sotto.jpg)

Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: John Howling Mouse on May 02, 2009, 05:04:14 pm
Incredible.  Awesome.  Outstanding.  I admire the way the high quality of your paint job lends credence to your Whif's kitbashed shape.

 :bow:   :wub:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: Ian the Kiwi Herder on May 04, 2009, 01:34:30 pm
It takes a set big kahones to spray that smoke-ring pattern, freehand..... I use Mike Grants' decals for mine. Kudos to you, sir.  :thumbsup:

Ian
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: G.Marcat on May 09, 2009, 02:57:47 pm
It takes a set big kahones to spray that smoke-ring pattern, freehand..... I use Mike Grants' decals for mine. Kudos to you, sir.  :thumbsup:

Ian

The smoke rings are  a real reason for a serious headache.

When I tested them on a white paper sheet they looked very thin & decent at the first single pass.

But when I sprayed them on the kit the result was disappointing: the first hand of green was not having coverage... so I have done a second passage, but the second hand of paint has made the rings too wide from the result that I was interested to achieve.

Now I'm in the way to finish the undersurfaces (decals + sealant) and as possible I will retouch the  smoke rings not properly well done  to recover the defects.


I
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: noxioux on May 10, 2009, 03:56:35 pm
Superb conversion.  That bird has some good lines. :wub:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: G.Marcat on July 21, 2009, 03:30:27 pm
I was completely unsatisfied from the result achieved painting the F-104.
The smoke ring effect do not work as I would.
There were some failed attempts to correct the errors and, worse of all,  smoke rings have been not come out as desidered.

A pair of days ago the decision: AWAY ALL, done a repaint of the upper surfaces, this time used the XTRACOLOR enamel that is gloss, so the errors in the future smoke rings can be corrected more easily than on the first layer of Humbrol matt Sand.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f208/italian_o/riverniciatura-f104x.jpg)
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: Thorvic on July 21, 2009, 03:40:07 pm
Would these help ?

http://www.mikegrantdecals.com/SmokeRings.html (http://www.mikegrantdecals.com/SmokeRings.html)
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: tigercat2 on July 21, 2009, 05:42:28 pm
Your '104 is looking great!!  I had the same idea several months ago, combining the wings and tail from an Academy YF-16 with a Monogram F-104; it is a very easy mod to make, and so far I have built five, including a Navy bird.  All are slighly different, I figure that these are the test birds, not yet up to production standard!!


Wes W.
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: Captain Canada on July 21, 2009, 06:22:38 pm
Beauty....in a wierd, funky kind of way !

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: G.Marcat on July 22, 2009, 12:15:11 am
I had the same idea several months ago, combining the wings and tail from an Academy YF-16 with a Monogram F-104; it is a very easy mod to make, and so far I have built five, including a Navy bird.  All are slighly different, I figure that these are the test birds, not yet up to production standard!!
Wes W.

BEAUTIFUL WORK!
I'm studying in these hours of to start a new conversion, ever a F-16 mixed with F-104 but I need of to reach something of different from the results seen around until now.

Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: tigercat2 on July 22, 2009, 05:33:51 am
I am really looking forward to seeing your finished F-104X; it should be a real eye-catcher!!  What markings (decals) are you planning to use?


Wes W.
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: G.Marcat on July 22, 2009, 07:44:15 am
I am really looking forward to seeing your finished F-104X; it should be a real eye-catcher!!  What markings (decals) are you planning to use?
Wes W.

WES: be prepared to wait a lot, the my build time are too much longs!!

However, If I will not change idea again the aircraft should be completed in Italian markings,
(http://www.tuttala.it/imgs/Electric_Combat/Macchi202/macchi2_small.jpg)
this is the reason for which I need to do the smoke rings decently.

PS: seen the Mirage F-1 in USAF markings in the your photo: very nice idea!


Would these help ?
http://www.mikegrantdecals.com/SmokeRings.html (http://www.mikegrantdecals.com/SmokeRings.html)

I know the decal rings but I would to be able to reproduce them manually, over this I have found the decals available for sale in Italy  at 15 Euros...  >:(
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: tigercat2 on July 22, 2009, 11:19:10 am
Your F-104 in those markings with that paint scheme should be stunning!!

Glad you liked my Mirage F1s in USAF markings; here are a few more.


Wes W.
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: ChernayaAkula on July 22, 2009, 01:59:23 pm
Would it be possible to lay down a green base coat, roll out Patafix or Blu-Tac to a very thin roll, use that for masking the smoke rings and then spray the sand colour?  :huh:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: John Howling Mouse on July 23, 2009, 05:08:18 pm
Would it be possible to lay down a green base coat, roll out Patafix or Blu-Tac to a very thin roll, use that for masking the smoke rings and then spray the sand colour?  :huh:

That's how I would do it.  But the skilled people like G.Marcat here can probably do it freehand!
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: G.Marcat on July 24, 2009, 10:16:54 am
Would it be possible to lay down a green base coat, roll out Patafix or Blu-Tac to a very thin roll, use that for masking the smoke rings and then spray the sand colour?  :huh:

I think it's very hard to do with the Blu Tac.

I Have made some tests in May when I do the first attempt to realize the smoke rings: THERE IS NOt A TRUE  EASY WAY to do the smoke rings.

the more easy should be of to use a modified pen: there are pens that have inside a waterbased color. Empty the original colour, throw away it  and replace it with paint from GUNZE or Tamiya.

I do smoke rings using a pair of types of masking agent (maskol, Gunze and another from UK) but for this purpose is necessary to find a LOW VISCOSITY masking fluid and until now I have NOT found it.

Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 24, 2009, 10:27:26 am
 :wub: I love this model really!  :wub: :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: F-104X: an enlarged version = COMPLETED
Post by: G.Marcat on August 15, 2009, 02:05:18 pm
Dear friends, 9 months of works are here:

(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/f104x-finito/f104x-1.jpg)

(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/f104x-finito/f104x-6.jpg)

(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/f104x-finito/f104x-7.jpg)

(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/f104x-finito/f104x-5.jpg)

(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/f104x-finito/f104x-2.jpg)

(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/f104x-finito/f104x-9.jpg)

(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/f104x-finito/f104x-3.jpg)

(http://digilander.libero.it/gmarcat3/f104long/f104x-finito/f104x-4.jpg)

Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: gunfighter on August 15, 2009, 02:18:45 pm
Thatīs the best build Iīve seen since i visit this forum...
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: ChernayaAkula on August 15, 2009, 02:28:57 pm
Wow! :wub: Very, very nice! :bow: I mean, really, it's incredibly beautiful!
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: G.Marcat on August 15, 2009, 03:27:38 pm
I'm really happy to see that the my work is appreciated: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: Ed S on August 15, 2009, 04:52:35 pm
Looks good.  Nice to see you got it finished. 
 :thumbsup:

Ed
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: NARSES2 on August 16, 2009, 02:22:53 am
Anything in "smoke ring" grabs my attention - terrific  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: tigercat2 on August 16, 2009, 09:26:03 am
A great model and excellent paint scheme!!!


Wes W.
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: Arc3371 on August 16, 2009, 10:59:55 am
I fully agree with the previous poster
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: chrisonord on August 16, 2009, 11:21:47 am
Absolutely stunning :wub: Your Starfighter certainly belongs in the 21st century. I will have to get my self some Starfighters now :banghead:
Time to put my Kidneys on Ebay :lol:
Chris
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: sotoolslinger on August 16, 2009, 01:16:01 pm
Dang  :o that turned out spectacular :wub: :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: Taiidantomcat on August 16, 2009, 02:35:44 pm
Great paint job  :wub:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 26, 2009, 05:39:52 am
Absolutely spectacular
 :thumbsup: :wub: :thumbsup: :wub: :thumbsup: :wub:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: Captain Canada on September 10, 2015, 04:55:28 am
How'd I miss this one ? Lovely ! The shape, the camo...looks good to me ! Defo looks like a lot of work went into it ! It would look good with a big whack of underwing stores  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: The Rat on September 10, 2015, 03:07:18 pm
How'd I miss this one ? Lovely ! The shape, the camo...looks good to me ! Defo looks like a lot of work went into it ! It would look good with a big whack of underwing stores  :thumbsup:

Don't feel bad, I replied to this and didn't realise it.  :banghead: Not the first time that's happened.  :banghead: :banghead: But in our combined defense, the original post was in '09, and we're not getting any younger.
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: Captain Canada on September 10, 2015, 06:31:41 pm
lol too true Rat ! There was a period when I sorta fell off the map, but I thought that was around '06, busy working offshore and moving house....missing somat this cool kinda makes me scratch my head !

 :unsure: :blink: :bow:
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: zenrat on September 11, 2015, 02:17:03 am
The paint does it for me.

And it's before my time so good to see it.
Title: Re: F-104X: an enlarged version (work in progress)
Post by: Hman on September 12, 2015, 09:23:12 am
love it  :thumbsup: :wub: