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Re: Avro Shackleton ideas
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2018, 10:20:31 am »
The carrier Shack to be flown by the USNavy from an aircraft carrier.
If they flew B-26s from aircraft carriers during WWII, then a Shackleton should in theory work,  just like the Neptunes

No, the Shakleton would have been way to big for normal carrier operations, even for the CVA-01.  A feasibility landing like was done with the C-130, maybe, but you can rule out operating from. As Kit and others point out, the B-25 and Neptune were launch only.   

The wiki "beam" linked by Rehged appears wrong, more like a beam of 122 feet from this source: https://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/uk_postw.htm.  Beam is the width of hull at the waterline. Overall width perhaps around the 184 foot mark.

The CVA-01 also had a island more to the center, with the "Alaskan highway" allowing aircraft to be towed to the starboard side of the island.  There also needs to be space for parking aircraft out of the landing area, parked safety behind the "foul line".  The Shack had a 120 wingspan, effectively eliminating any safe parking space even it could fit past the island.  Why would you want a carrier that could only operate one MPA?  Just fly the MPA from land- it had plenty of range.   
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Re: Avro Shackleton ideas
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2018, 11:38:19 am »
The carrier Shack to be flown by the USNavy from an aircraft carrier.
If they flew B-26s from aircraft carriers during WWII, then a Shackleton should in theory work,  just like the Neptunes

No, the Shakleton would have been way to big for normal carrier operations, even for the CVA-01.  A feasibility landing like was done with the C-130, maybe, but you can rule out operating from. As Kit and others point out, the B-25 and Neptune were launch only.   

The wiki "beam" linked by Rehged appears wrong, more like a beam of 122 feet from this source: https://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/uk_postw.htm.  Beam is the width of hull at the waterline. Overall width perhaps around the 184 foot mark.

The CVA-01 also had a island more to the center, with the "Alaskan highway" allowing aircraft to be towed to the starboard side of the island.  There also needs to be space for parking aircraft out of the landing area, parked safety behind the "foul line".  The Shack had a 120 wingspan, effectively eliminating any safe parking space even it could fit past the island.  Why would you want a carrier that could only operate one MPA?  Just fly the MPA from land- it had plenty of range.

  I must admit the wiki link was only the product of  4.5 seconds of research!!. I'm not particularly startled to find the   data less than perfect.
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Re: Avro Shackleton ideas
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2018, 02:40:58 am »
Thanks for the info :banghead:

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Re: Avro Shackleton ideas
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2018, 06:45:44 am »
What about the Shackleton fitted with Rolls-Royce Merlin XX or the radial Bristol Hercules engines?
The engines from the Academy B-29 and C-97 look better and are a good fit as well.

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Re: Avro Shackleton ideas
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2018, 08:27:04 am »
I don't think the Merlins would have enough grunt to move that big 'ole thing.
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings

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Re: Avro Shackleton ideas
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2018, 01:11:59 pm »
Nor Bristol Hercules.

The Bristol Centaurus, on the other hand.......and 'real-world' Shack contra-props would suit them.
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