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Offline darthspud2

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UK/US Dummy weapon colours
« on: August 03, 2017, 03:02:32 am »
Like the title states,
What colours are primarily used for inert/practice/drill weapons please?
I know some LGB's are painted a blu(ish) colour, but does anyone know a definitive colour for A2A missiles & weapons and A2G LGB's other weapons.
I know that some are just identified with blue bands around the weapon rather than yellow or green.
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Re: UK/US Dummy weapon colours
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2017, 03:51:36 am »
Like the title states,
What colours are primarily used for inert/practice/drill weapons please?
I know some LGB's are painted a blu(ish) colour, but does anyone know a definitive colour for A2A missiles & weapons and A2G LGB's other weapons.
I know that some are just identified with blue bands around the weapon rather than yellow or green.
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Not just LGBs.  Dumb bombs (at least in US service) are some shade of blue.  Training 'Winders have blue bands and missing guidance vanes.
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Re: UK/US Dummy weapon colours
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2017, 06:11:14 am »
Dummy bombs as far as I'm aware are blue. Missiles ? Not sure but I do remember seeing some blue Skyflash missiles once at an air show in the static display park. Think they were on a Viggen ?
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Re: UK/US Dummy weapon colours
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2017, 11:38:45 am »
If you do a google search for "inert missiles markings" and "training missiles markings" and same for bombs you get lots of information and a google image search gives lots of coloured photos.

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Re: UK/US Dummy weapon colours
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2017, 02:47:25 am »
RAF training bombs are blue, too, at least the section that normally carries the charge.

Not certain, but IIRC Sky Flash training rounds were white, like the real missile, but the fins carried small, black dots?

US inert missiles (Sidewinders, Sparrows) used to have blue bodies, the fins tend to be white or grey. Nowadays I think this is just marked thorugh colored fuselage bands, as Scooter mentioned (blue is the inert rounds' color, and there are yellow and brown rings, too).

Swedish training missiles were normally green, and I think I remember am early press picture of a JA37 in vertical flight with its belly towards the camera that carried both Sidewinder and Sky Flash missiles - both completely green.

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Re: UK/US Dummy weapon colours
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2017, 09:49:16 am »
Red Top training rounds had no wings, just the stubs where they'd normally fit, and they seemed to be available in white or dark green. Maybe the Firestreak drill sounds were similar, there's a vague bell ringing about that somewhere.........
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Re: UK/US Dummy weapon colours
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2017, 12:29:30 am »
What about small arms?
In Finnish service, we had yellow blank firing adapters and blank ammunition with blue wooden "bullets". I've seen photos with US and UK troops with yellow adapters - but also US troops with red adapters.

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Re: UK/US Dummy weapon colours
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2017, 04:49:41 am »
What about small arms?
In Finnish service, we had yellow blank firing adapters and blank ammunition with blue wooden "bullets". I've seen photos with US and UK troops with yellow adapters - but also US troops with red adapters.

:nods: Red and yellow for the BFAs...all it indicates is how old the BFA is.  And if there's an exercise with personnel carrying live rounds their magazines will have red paint or tape on them to differentiate between live and exercise ammo.
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Re: UK/US Dummy weapon colours
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2017, 09:51:17 am »
Red Top training rounds had no wings, just the stubs where they'd normally fit, and they seemed to be available in white or dark green. Maybe the Firestreak drill sounds were similar, there's a vague bell ringing about that somewhere.........

That's what you also see sometimes on US Sidewinders and Sparrows.

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Re: UK/US Dummy weapon colours
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2017, 12:32:10 am »
What about small arms?
In Finnish service, we had yellow blank firing adapters and blank ammunition with blue wooden "bullets". I've seen photos with US and UK troops with yellow adapters - but also US troops with red adapters.

:nods: Red and yellow for the BFAs...all it indicates is how old the BFA is.  And if there's an exercise with personnel carrying live rounds their magazines will have red paint or tape on them to differentiate between live and exercise ammo.
Is yellow the new color for the adapters, or red??

Magazines with live rounds marked with red, or the blanks?

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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2017, 02:05:43 am »
Logic would say that the blank ammo would be marked so if the tape or paint came off then they would be assumed to be live - fail safe.

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Re: UK/US Dummy weapon colours
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2017, 02:07:10 am »
What about small arms?
In Finnish service, we had yellow blank firing adapters and blank ammunition with blue wooden "bullets". I've seen photos with US and UK troops with yellow adapters - but also US troops with red adapters.

:nods: Red and yellow for the BFAs...all it indicates is how old the BFA is.  And if there's an exercise with personnel carrying live rounds their magazines will have red paint or tape on them to differentiate between live and exercise ammo.
Is yellow the new color for the adapters, or red??

Magazines with live rounds marked with red, or the blanks?

Yellow are the new ones, most often issued with M-4s.  And Red = Dead, so live mags get marked red.  Exercise mags are blue
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Re: UK/US Dummy weapon colours
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2017, 02:30:03 am »

Yellow are the new ones, most often issued with M-4s.  And Red = Dead, so live mags get marked red.  Exercise mags are blue


A zillion years ago when I was in the CCF our DP rifles (Drill Purposes) had two red rings painted around the barrel's woodwork, and our Quartermaster explained that by the same logic, 'Red = Dead'.
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Re: UK/US Dummy weapon colours
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2017, 10:37:16 am »
topic drift here. back on track please if that's ok.

What colour (by manufacturer(humbrol/tamiya/hataka etc.)) would you use if building a kit with 'dummy' munitions ?

i have blue bands for some stuff(Hasegawa weapon sets have them as standard), but i really need a good fs/bs or paint mftr no.
I wanted to do a build for IPMS Avon but time has caught up with me for this year.

oh and BFA's were and are yellow for SA80's/LSW (for those units still holding LSW) Some magazines are also painted with yellow vertical stripes.

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Re: UK/US Dummy weapon colours
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2017, 01:50:39 pm »
I've used Revell 51 for some acquisition sidewinders before, it looked okay.  Every image I've seen seems to show a different shade of blue, so you might be able to get away with a wide range.  Humbrol 14

The British bombs appear to be BS 381c 102 turqoise blue, RAL 5018 appears to be similar, if a bit brighter?


 
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