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Re: IOWA battleship to aircraft carrier conversion.
« Reply #75 on: September 19, 2018, 09:46:51 am »
I don't think extending the flight deck to the end of the bow is an option either. Can you imagine how much overhang there'd be on either side and the amount of structural supporting needed to support that?  :o  Sorry, but I don't like that idea.

How is me adding a 40mm mount in front of the flight deck any worse than what was at the front of the Independence class CVL's in WWII? Look at these pics of the position and height of the 40mm mount (and Mk.51) in relation to the flight deck on Independence CVL's.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/022517.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/022612.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/022845.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/022914a.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/022914b.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/022908.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/022211.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/022513.jpg
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Re: IOWA battleship to aircraft carrier conversion.
« Reply #76 on: September 19, 2018, 10:21:12 pm »
Compare the bow of both ships.  The Iowa's is almost even with the flight deck. 
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Re: IOWA battleship to aircraft carrier conversion.
« Reply #77 on: September 20, 2018, 03:05:54 am »
Cut the bow off at a downward 15 degree angle from a point directly below the end of the flight deck.
It'll look weird but give you the required clearance.
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Re: IOWA battleship to aircraft carrier conversion.
« Reply #78 on: September 20, 2018, 06:04:07 am »
Apologies for the delay in moving this, but I'm travelling around at the moment and don't always have access to the Net.

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Re: IOWA battleship to aircraft carrier conversion.
« Reply #79 on: September 20, 2018, 05:56:23 pm »
So here's another alternative to possibly putting armament (Maybe?) at the bow area. Adding two 20mm machine gun tubs which are smaller.


Port side of the model showing all the additional walkways, 40mm and 20mm gun galleries, Mk.51 GFCS director spots, and two scratchbuilt 5"/38 gun sponsons.








Scratchbuilt support structures for 40mm gun tub and 5"/38 weapon sponson.





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Re: IOWA battleship to aircraft carrier conversion.
« Reply #80 on: September 22, 2018, 12:56:48 pm »
Wow, great gift!- he made a good start on it.  I think the gun tubs near the bow look a bit odd.  Great project!

Yeah, there's a few things that look "odd" on the model. So eventually, I will be making additional deletions and additions, one of them being changes to armament and all the weapon galleries and sponsons. I want to try and get as close to the blueprint as possible........I hope.  But whether the blueprint is a preliminary or final design, I don't know.  :-\
I wouldn't worry...it was war time, stop trying to make it pretty as conversions were never and were hurried. Leaving it odd looking makes it more real. Also guns were what they wanted...all over the place especially as the Japanese had kamakazi? and so didn't care....the Yanks however did and had guns a plenty to prevent air attacks....go with it

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Re: IOWA battleship to aircraft carrier conversion.
« Reply #81 on: September 22, 2018, 02:44:36 pm »
So since some folks think putting a large 40mm gun tub in front of the flight deck is a bad idea, then what about smaller 20mm machine gun tubs? Thoughts on this, folks?

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Re: IOWA battleship to aircraft carrier conversion.
« Reply #82 on: September 23, 2018, 06:05:48 am »
So since some folks think putting a large 40mm gun tub in front of the flight deck is a bad idea, then what about smaller 20mm machine gun tubs? Thoughts on this, folks?

You could scratch two extending constructions to the sides and still put 40mm'ers in there. WOW by the way!  :wub: <_<
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Re: IOWA battleship to aircraft carrier conversion.
« Reply #83 on: September 23, 2018, 07:12:33 am »
I'd put them on the edge of the deck just for the safety of the gun crews in case an aircraft goes off the end of the deck.
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Re: IOWA battleship to aircraft carrier conversion.
« Reply #84 on: September 23, 2018, 06:47:03 pm »
Is there a light at the end of the tunnel? Not yet. I'm probably only at the halfway point of this build. Did a lot of scratchbuilding and detailing by adding walkways made from angle strip plastic, scratchbuilding two weapon sponsons (1 forward and 1 aft on the port side.) for 5"/38 guns, adding more 20mm gun galleries, adding spare floater net baskets from 1-2 extra TAMIYA Missouri kits, adding a few extra 20mm ammo boxes in some of the 20mm gun galleries from a Trumpeter North Carolina kit, adding a few spare tubs for Mk.51 GFCS for 40mm gun mounts, plus adding other miscellaneous details here and there. Still have a long way to go. My apologies for the extreme lack of photoetch detail, but I have very bad eyesight and cannot handle very small/tiny or complicated PE. Therefore, I had to "cut corners" where needed and rob parts from other kits or scratchbuild wherever necessary. It may look sh***y like that, but I had to do what I had to do.
Still have more to do such as detailing the island superstructure, the bow (Front of the ship.), the fantail (aft) end of the ship, all guns, all radars, all aircraft, aircraft elevators in the flight deck, life rafts, and so much more.

























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Re: IOWA battleship to aircraft carrier conversion.
« Reply #85 on: September 24, 2018, 06:19:50 am »
Terrific work sir  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: IOWA battleship to aircraft carrier conversion.
« Reply #86 on: September 24, 2018, 08:45:30 am »
As a consummate ship artist, along with whiffery design, I would mount two 40mm tubs along the sides of the bow, not on the deck as previously done. I'd also enclose the bow from the just below the flight deck, or create a "ramp" to the end of the bow, for failed takeoffs? Or trim the bulbous bow down and remount the anchor lower. I understand that you're trying to keep to the spirit of the preliminary design, but carrier experts would have argued the same direction about trimming down the bow. Hope this helps!
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Re: IOWA battleship to aircraft carrier conversion.
« Reply #87 on: September 24, 2018, 01:26:41 pm »
Kind of debating the following. Some portions of the underside flight deck on my model are a bit plain. I'm kinda uncertain if I should add extra supports (Indicated by red lines.) underneath the flight deck in certain areas. What do others think on this?






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Re: IOWA battleship to aircraft carrier conversion.
« Reply #88 on: September 24, 2018, 01:32:29 pm »
What part of "I am NOT adding two side by side 40mm gun mounts at the bow of the ship." do people not understand? :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:  My modeling friend had tried that (Picture below.) when he initially started this model long ago before giving it to me to finish. I took the 40mm tubs off the bow as I did not like the look of them. STOP ASKING ME TO ADD THEM (OR SOMETHING SIMILAR) BACK ON. It won't be done.   :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

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Re: IOWA battleship to aircraft carrier conversion.
« Reply #89 on: September 24, 2018, 06:19:01 pm »
Are there any on the preliminary drawing?
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